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[Almostfaceman]

Not sure why you imply that the veiless world is the natural state of the world rather than something created from the spirits and the elves to suit their needs in the physical realm of the titans.

 

The Qunari in Trespasser are trying to strengthen the Veil. The removal of the Veil wouldn't frighten them if it didn't restore a natural order that strengthened magic for everyone, including their saarebas. So there's absolutely no implication whatsoever that the removal of the Veil isn't anything but the return to the natural order. 

 

We have learned from this place that there lived an elven mage who saw a great wrong and sacrificed all to right it. This mage made the Veil, which protects us from the Fade

 

http://dragonage.wik...isk_of_Saarebas

 

This "world created from the spirits and the elves to suit their needs" is purely a product of your imagination. It certainly isn't derived from anything presented in the game. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Uh, you're the person who hasn't played Trespasser, right? At least I hope so, because you completely missed the point of Solas' plan. None of what you just listed accomplishes what he's trying to do.

It's better than tearing down the Veil and destroying everything and The Evanuris would unleash their anger and kill Solas eventually and it would all be for absolutely nothing whatsoever. I like to do the alternative to start over and to be with his lover so he could settle down.

[Almostfaceman]

 

He is though. 

 

Obviously he is not, since his mission is to save the elven people. That would involve saving them, not killing them. 

[Abyss108]

So?

 

 

He is though. Besides wouldn't destroying the world time be sufficient for punish.

 

Think of it like a job interview what's Solas's contribution? I uh, killed a lot of people before, and I can still do it!

 

 

...So? You said you didn't understand why I was saying Elves now have an incredibly small lifespan, so I explained it? 

 

I don't even have any idea what you are taking about now - "punish"? No one is trying to punish anyone, I don't know where you got that idea from. 

 

What are you trying to say here? I'm honestly confused...

 

Anyway, the modern world as we know it will be destroyed, but everyone won't just drop dead - that doesn't achieve anything, and doesn't even make sense as something that would happen from the Veil coming down - it was down before, people existed, it was put up, people existed. You are taking the "your people will die" line too literally - Weekes himself said it may not mean what it sounds like. 

[Seraphim24]

 

 

 

...So? You said you didn't understand why I was saying Elves now have an incredibly small lifespan, so I explained it? 

 

I don't even have any idea what you are taking about now - "punish"? No one is trying to punish anyone, I don't know where you got that idea from. 

 

What are you trying to say here? I'm honestly confused...

 

Anyway, the modern world as we know it will be destroyed, but everyone won't just drop dead - that doesn't achieve anything, and doesn't even make sense as something that would happen from the Veil coming down - it was down before, people existed, it was put up, people existed. You are taking the "your people will die" line too literally - Weekes himself said it may not mean what it sounds like. 

 

 

Solas is insane, as I was saying, he is a burden to the world because he can't control is psychotically, almost mythic ally submissive personality. The fact that he can't control it and has caused numerous world cataclysms is why he should be isolated in as I say like some kind of magical Grindelwald like prison for eternity, preferrably magically drugged to diminish his brain to a sub-state so that he can no longer function outside of basic functions and is otherwise rendered impotent forever.

 

It's not a sin to be born psychotically submissive and otherwise have an infantile perspective on the world as a grown adult, but it's a sin to be unable to control it, that's the difference between a John Nash and a Solas.

[Abyss108]

Solas is insane, as I was saying, he is a burden to the world because he can't control is psychotically, almost mythic ally submissive personality. The fact that he can't control it and has caused numerous world cataclysms is why he should be isolated in as I say like some kind of magical Grindelwald like prison for eternity, preferrably magically drugged to diminish his brain to a sub-state so that he can no longer function outside of basic functions and is otherwise rendered impotent forever.

 

It's not a sin to be born psychotically submissive and otherwise have an infantile perspective on the world as a grown adult, but it's a sin to be unable to control it, that's the difference between a John Nash and a Solas.

 

 

You're right, things would be much better if everyone was under eternal slavery to the Evanuris.

[Seraphim24]

You're right, things would be much better if everyone was under eternal slavery to the Evanuris.

 

What, is the Evanuris invincible? Give me 10 good men (or women.. ) and climbing spikes.....

 

"There at the beginning of the world" "Great powers" "destined for immortality" "powerful magic"

 

Posh, just more jerks at the end of the day.

[German Soldier]

The Qunari in Trespasser are trying to strengthen the Veil. The removal of the Veil wouldn't frighten them if it didn't restore a natural order that strengthened magic for everyone, including their saarebas. So there's absolutely no implication whatsoever that the removal of the Veil isn't anything but the return to the natural order. 

 

We have learned from this place that there lived an elven mage who saw a great wrong and sacrificed all to right it. This mage made the Veil, which protects us from the Fade

 

http://dragonage.wik...isk_of_Saarebas

 

This "world created from the spirits and the elves to suit their needs" is purely a product of your imagination. It certainly isn't derived from anything presented in the game. 

What is derived from imagination is your own claim that the veiless world is the natural state of things  solely based on extrapolations made of Saarebas dialogues that are obviously  proof of anything

[Aren]

The Qunari in Trespasser are trying to strengthen the Veil. The removal of the Veil wouldn't frighten them if it didn't restore a natural order that strengthened magic for everyone, including their saarebas. So there's absolutely no implication whatsoever that the removal of the Veil isn't anything but the return to the natural order. 

 

We have learned from this place that there lived an elven mage who saw a great wrong and sacrificed all to right it. This mage made the Veil, which protects us from the Fade

 

http://dragonage.wik...isk_of_Saarebas

 

This "world created from the spirits and the elves to suit their needs" is purely a product of your imagination. It certainly isn't derived from anything presented in the game. 

The game made clear that the fade was never totally merged with the world which imply that there was some kind of separation even before the events that surround Solas and the Evanuris.

 

Not sure what the Sareebas dialogues have to do with the whole thing?Qunari being concerned to have to deal with more magic in the world doesn't deny anything.

[Almostfaceman]

What is derived from imagination is your own claim that the veiless world is the natural state of things  solely based on extrapolations made of Saarebas dialogues that are obviously  proof of anything

 

The whole point of Trespasser is that the Veil is an artificial construct. Did you even play the DLC? 

 

There is no mention anywhere of the elves and the spirits creating any kind of world. If there is, please provide evidence.

 

There's also no reason why anything the elves built for themselves and the spirits would have any magical strengthening effect on any other races, it would be designed only to benefit them. Since it is a natural state and benefits everyone, clearly pre-Veil world-state is not also a construct. 

[Almostfaceman]

 

The game made clear that the fade was never totally merged with the world which imply that there was some kind of separation even before the events that surround Solas and the Evanuris.

 

Not sure what the Sareebas dialogues have to do with the whole thing?Qunari being concerned to have to deal with more magic in the world doesn't deny anything.

 

 

Whether or not the Fade and the natural world was "totally merged" or not doesn't discount its natural state. I explain the Saarebas dialogue in my other post, not that I should have had to do so. You should have figured that out for yourself. 

[Almostfaceman]

What is derived from imagination is your own claim that the veiless world is the natural state of things  solely based on extrapolations made of Saarebas dialogues that are obviously  proof of anything

 

What is based on pure imagination, besides the rest of your claim, is that I extrapolate my position "solely" on that codex about the Saarabas. It was just one example. There are tons of other examples that the Fade effects other races and their magical abilities, throughout all three games. 

[German Soldier]

 

The game made clear that the fade was never totally merged with the world which imply that there was some kind of separation even before the events that surround Solas and the Evanuris.

 

 

Don't forget how the titans are in a state of torment when they are forced to constantly reshape the physical realm to made it survive at the presence of the fade.

[Almostfaceman]

Don't forget how the titans are in a state of torment when they are forced to constantly reshape the physical realm to made it survive at the presence of the fade.

 

[German Soldier]

What is based on pure imagination, besides the rest of your claim, is that I extrapolate my position "solely" on that codex about the Saarabas. It was just one example. There are tons of other examples that the Fade effects other races and their magical abilities, throughout all three games. 

I don't care of your position but i do care when someone is trying to depict what are weak evidences as some kind of ultimate truth.

[Almostfaceman]

I don't care of your position but i do care when someone is trying to depict what are weak evidences as some kind of ultimate truth.

 

There was no weak evidence and - speaking of evidence - you have yet to provide any for any of your claims. Get to work. You Germans are supposed to be industrious. 

[German Soldier]

It was my imagination then when Valta said that the Titan was disturbed  because of the breach and the fade energies it unleashed.

 

Get to work. You Germans are supposed to be industrious. 

I don't know how to take this statement,suffice to say don't dare to insult me or Germany with stereotypes of gibberish statements.

[Almostfaceman]

It was my imagination then when Valta said that the Titan was disturbed  because of the breach and the fade energies it unleashed.

 

I don't know how to take this statement,suffice to say don't dare to insult me or Germany with stereotypes  of gibberish statement.

 

You're insulted because Germans are known for their industriousness? That's odd. Very well, be insulted. I don't care. 

 

And you still haven't provided any proof for any of your claims. No, the Titans being disturbed by the Breach doesn't support your previous claim. Not even slightly. 

[Aren]

 

And you still haven't provided any proof for any of your claims. No, the Titans being disturbed by the Breach doesn't support your previous claim. Not even slightly. 

Of course is an important hint.

This titan has been asleep for centuries. The last time it awoke was  around -1170 Ancient and that he was awakened  in a state of discomfort  because of an hole into the sky that linked the fade with the physical world is more of an hint about the veiless world not being  the natural state  than those dialogues of Sareebas.

[Almostfaceman]

 

Of course is an important hint.

This titan has been asleep for centuries. The last time it awoke was  around -1170 Ancient and that he was awakened  in a state of discomfort  because of an hole into the sky that linked the fade with the physical world is more of an hint about the veiless world not being  the natural state  than those dialogues of Sareebas.

 

 

It can be a hint of any number of things. For all we know, Titans don't like large numbers of demons prancing about on their heads. No, this hint is so vague as to be almost completely worthless. 

 

Did you even play Trespasser? 

[midnight tea]

I don't care of your position but i do care when someone is trying to depict what are weak evidences as some kind of ultimate truth.

 

Huh... people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You've been guilty of this yourself. Repeatedly. And you are guilty of it now - you make claims about world without any sufficient evidence whatsoever. More so: you make claims, quote little to no evidence and demand from people who disagree or question your assumptions to provide evidence to the contrary 

 

Plus, I think you're missing the point. We don't yet know what "natural natural" state of the world was, for all we know at one point the state of the world could have been pure chaos, and I don't think anyone wants return of that - but we know now thanks to Trespasser is that the state the world is in *now* ain't natural or balanced at any capacity, and is hurting at least half of its population (spirits) that is also inherently tied to another half.

 

 

 

Of course is an important hint.

This titan has been asleep for centuries. The last time it awoke was  around -1170 Ancient and that he was awakened  in a state of discomfort  because of an hole into the sky that linked the fade with the physical world is more of an hint about the veiless world not being  the natural state  than those dialogues of Sareebas.

 

Wut? Sorry, but even if elves indeed have enslaved/defeated/used the Titans, how is it evidence that Veilles world isn't at least way closer to natural/balanced state of the world than Veiled one?

 

In fact we KNOW (from Descent and Treapasser) that Titans in Veiled world are NOT in their natural state anymore than they were after being subjugated to Evanuris, so how is it "proof" that it's the Veiled world that is more 'natural'? If anything, it merely proves that Veiled world is even farther from its original state than it was during times of Elvenhan.

And we have no certainty whatsoever that Solas wants to restore the world to the state it was during times of Elvenhan; in fact he destroyed it once and told us that romanticizing that time period is pointless and that empires rise and fall - so the "world of the elves" could also mean something that may have even existed prior to war that resulted in Evanuris consolidating their power.

[Seraphim24]

Geez I was about to post the thing Solas could have become and not the bad thing he ultimately became, and this thread kind of exploded

 

Well here it is anyway

 

 

Instead we got racial genocide supertwit. Hatred lives inside many people the question isn't it's existence but how it is acted upon.

 

Even John Nash was a crazy jerk at times, even had a child that ultimately went into foster care and people didn't even know he had one.. obviously didn't make it into the movie.

 

But for some reason, he managed to find a way not to impose his psychotic vision of annihilating everyone in the world who didn't find racially pure, fancy that, must of been magic powers that he had truly MAGIC FREAKING POWERS.

[Xerrai]

It was my imagination then when Valta said that the Titan was disturbed  because of the breach and the fade energies it unleashed.

And you equate that with fade energies being innately painful to the Titan?

 

I'm not saying its impossible or anything (I mean, lyrium rejects the fade for a reason...) but that assumption might be a bit farther from the truth.

The Titan awoke to a world drastically changed, one where it is no longer to connected to the dwarves, the dwarven empire has fallen and where the world at large is changed.

 

I mean, how would you feel when you woke up to a world that is nothing like the world you remember?

 

I may be willing to agree that the Titan was a bit traumatized when it woke up, but i'm not sure it was the fade that caused that. The only thing we know for certain was that it was the breach that woke it up from its dormancy, not that the breach was the cause for its distress.

 

And that after the Titan "connected" to Valta immediately after the Guardian's defeat, it has settled.

[Seraphim24]

Oh! And in honor of all the Solas gifs I thought I'd contribute a gif of my own, the crate which he would ideally in the game be involuntarily packed into after being drugged till his brain no longer really functioned, like ever again!

 

Spoiler

 

It's amazing how many horrible Solas like dictator personalities we've had in some many areas of the real world too, *sigh*

[Xilizhra]

I don't know how to take this statement,suffice to say don't dare to insult me or Germany with stereotypes of gibberish statements.

I don't know, Germany's main claim to fame involved a great deal of gibberish statements.

 

I'm still not sure how to feel about Solas, mostly because his story isn't finished yet, and I don't yet know if they're going to be doing anything interesting with it.