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[Macha'Anu]

I've read this thread from page one and I don't recall a single person who supports his plan. You can count me as someone who doesn't. He's my favorite character, I see where he's coming from, and, sometimes, I even wonder if it might be better for the denizens of Thedas AND the Fade in the long run...but I've had three games to get to know people, and the cost is too high.

Yup. Apprently liking him means automatically we support his plan. At least thats what many are assuming that somehow we are ok with genocide. Not me. I like the idea that I can change his mind and the real enemy isnt even going to be him. I can always hope right? Solas hasn't actually done anything yet, and he just "thinks" what he wasnt to do will destroy everything and it just might. But we all know he is capable of being wrong. IE Elven Orb to Cory. That went swimmingly as far as his plan amirite? Me? Ill just wait for the next game to come out and see what happens before i start condeming him to the 7 rings. I mean he is no genocidal maniac yet. Loghain and Anders hold those titles. But Solas hasnt done anything yet so I'll reserve my judgment.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yup. Apprently liking him means atomatically we support his plan. At least thats what many are assuming that somehow we are ok with genocide. No me. I like the idea that I can change his mind and the real enemy isnt even going to be him. I can always hope right? Solas hasn't actually done anything yet, and he just "thinks" what he wasnt to do will destroy everything. But we all know he is capable of being wrong. IE Elven Orb to Cory. That went swimmingly as far as his plan amirite? Me? Ill just wait for the next game to come out and see what happens before i start condeming him to the 7 rings. I mean he is no genocidal maniac yet. Loghain and Anders hold those titles. But Solas hasnt done anything yet so I'll reserve my judgment.

 

Solas allowed his Orb to be located by Corypheus, who used it to kill a lot of people, cause massive property damage and a great deal of suffering. He is also someone who is known to kill his agents if they do not fulfill their mission.

 

That's not exactly a nice guy or a guy that you can really see someone redeeming.

[Macha'Anu]

Solas allowed his Orb to be located by Corypheus, who used it to kill a lot of people, cause massive property damage and a great deal of suffering. He is also someone who is known to kill his agents if they do not fulfill their mission.

 

That's not exactly a nice guy or a guy that you can really see someone redeeming.

Nothing in my post said him giving it to him was nice. Nor have i ever said anything he has done was nice. I spoke of his plan, which failed. Also I'll just go ahead and wait for the next game before I make up my mind on the whole redeeming thing. Like I said there have been many evil people in this game some solas haters have embraced, romanced even, felt sorry for. Thats the way of things. We shouldnt have to argue in circles with others as to why we like someone others may dislike.Thanks for the comment.

 

EDIT: Between the mages and the templars they have murdered hundreds of people and caused massive property damage should we end all of them as well? How about the Qunari? They take pride in mudering people who don't follow rules. Tevinter?  Them as well as they too have done so. Thing is Thedas is ripe with groups who kill to make points, or to escape, or to win or to fix things. Thedas is really trully corrupt with evil. everywhere.

[Seraphim24]

"Waiting to see" is endorsing the plan though.

 

It's basically the white privileged male something's version of the Holocaust, which when you think about it it's actually worse than the Holocaust because it's literally everyone but like his few yacht buddies that don't make him feel socially inept.

[Macha'Anu]

"Waiting to see" is endorsing the plan though.

Nope. Because if he goes all monster and cant be, Ive got no problem lopping his head off. Just like I had no problem shoving a knife in anders kidney. So please leave the assumptions for others. Thanks for the comment.

[Seraphim24]

Nope.

 

"Nope" Well you got me there, didn't see that one coming.

[Almostfaceman]

"Nope" Well you got me there, didn't see that one coming.

 

You cut off the rest of what they said. That's disingenuous. Means you didn't have a counter-argument to what they actually said. Naughty naughty. 

[Almostfaceman]

"Waiting to see" is endorsing the plan though.

 

It's basically the white privileged male something's version of the Holocaust, which when you think about it it's actually worse than the Holocaust because it's literally everyone but like his few yacht buddies that don't make him feel socially inept.

 

Well that second sentence was pure gibberish. Care to clarify? 

[Macha'Anu]

You cut off the rest of what they said. That's disingenuous. Means you didn't have a counter-argument to what they actually said. Naughty naughty. 

That's what I was thinking myself. But at this point. I expect it from this thread.

[Macha'Anu]

Well that second sentence was pure gibberish. Care to clarify? 

LOL they edited it so that they could get the one up on me smh. White privlege male. GTFOH with that bs.....

[R0vena]

"Waiting to see" is endorsing the plan though.

 

Is it? We really don't know any real facts yet. We even don't know if Solas actually will go through with his plan yet. Maybe he'll change his mind? Maybe the Inquisitor or New Protagonist (or both) will change his mind? Maybe his plan will not work as he intended it to work and something completely different will happen?

 

So far all we have are just assumptions and speculations. I think to wait and see is quite a legit position.)

[midnight tea]

"Waiting to see" is endorsing the plan though.

 

It's basically the white privileged male something's version of the Holocaust, which when you think about it it's actually worse than the Holocaust because it's literally everyone but like his few yacht buddies that don't make him feel socially inept.

 

The hell...?

I think you're mixing up fiction with reality.

 

We - the audience - are going to wait and see what is going to happen next. My PCs and Inquisitor in the meanwhile? Obviously they're working towards either stopping Solas, or changing his mind or finding more about his plans, or seeing if here's more than one solution to it. Nobody is sitting on their hands (... or a singular hand) in Thedas.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

"Waiting to see" is endorsing the plan though.

 

It's basically the white privileged male something's version of the Holocaust, which when you think about it it's actually worse than the Holocaust because it's literally everyone but like his few yacht buddies that don't make him feel socially inept.

 

No not necessarily. Waiting to see...while having a squad that is capable of neutralizing the threat or taking Solas out is also a form of waiting to see...

[Seraphim24]

Is it? We really don't know any real facts yet. We even don't know if Solas actually will go through with his plan yet. Maybe he'll change his mind? Maybe the Inquisitor or New Protagonist (or both) will change his mind? Maybe his plan will not work as he intended it to work and something completely different will happen?

 

So far all we have are just assumptions and speculations. I think to wait and see is quite a legit position.)

 

 

The hell...?

I think you're mixing up fiction with reality.

 

We - the audience - are going to wait and see what is going to happen next. My PCs and Inquisitor in the meanwhile? Obviously they're working towards either stopping Solas, or changing his mind or finding more about his plans, or seeing if here's more than one solution to it. Nobody is sitting on their hands (... or a singular hand) in Thedas.

 

 

Waiting to see.

 

Appeasement.

 

Chamberlain and Hitler (or Mao or whoever)

 

His name is Solas this time, the only solution is to exterminate him and all his lackeys.

 

Immediately.

[Seraphim24]

No not necessarily. Waiting to see...while having a squad that is capable of neutralizing the threat or taking Solas out is also a form of waiting to see...

 

Haha! Hm...

[Medhia_Nox]

 

Of course being in disagreement doesn't mean being incoherent. That's another strawman that you've built all on your own. You're good at that. I give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to being inadequate at the use of English. Just read the thread, I disagree with a lot of people and don't claim they're incoherent. 

 

I've demonstrated what natural state indicates, so have several others. I'll just chalk it up to the language barrier that you can't adequately explain that there's no such thing as "natural state". 

 

You've proof of animals in Thedas not dreaming? You've proof of any species that's evolved during the tenure of the Veil that can't exist without the Veil? Of course you don't have this proof, it's all your head canon. Animals and their dreaming capability isn't relevant to the story. Bioware didn't create the gaming world with the intention of giving us thorough biology of all creatures living in the universe of Thedas. 

 

Have you ever read The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe? When the protagonists encounter the evil Queen, they find she's cast a spell that has placed the entire land in a perpetual state of winter. This disturbs the natural order of the weather patterns. It's an artificial construct. A spell that changes the natural order. The Veil is the same thing, just a different flavor. Instead of a perpetual winter, the citizens of the Thedas universe suffer a perpetual disturbed connection to the Fade. 

 

 

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is a vastly different generation of fantasy from Dragon Age - I wouldn't compare the two.  You might as well go a full extreme and head straight to Oz and Wonderland.  Vast categories of fantasy do no consider world building to be a concern. While others, like A Song of Ice and Fire take a much more practical approach to their fantasy elements.  While I find the fantasy elements of a ASoIaF the worst parts... I applaud him for approaching a new age of fantasy responsibly - taking into account the style in which he is writing. 

 

Dragon Age approaches world being from a more realistic standpoint - a newer trend in an evolving genre (not entirely true, sword and sorcery tends toward more "realism" in fantasy.  Howard's Hyborea was a vastly complex socio-political network and his magic was rich and detailed without being bogged down in the mire of "explanation")

 

Note:  Animals dream in the real world.  When writing - those things different from the real world should be explained or it is safe to assume they are no different.  For all we know - wisps happily copy animal dreams before advancing to sapient creatures.

 

That headcanon criticism goes both ways... anyone making claims about ancient Thedas is completely wrong.  One ancient elf's testimony would convince only the weakest minds prone to fanaticism and blind following. 

[R0vena]

Waiting to see.

 

Appeasement.

 

Chamberlain and Hitler.

 

His name is Solas this time, the only solution is to exterminate him and all his lackeys.

 

Well, I hope you'll have that option if you are so determined on the matter.)

 

However, since it is a game with choices I from my part hope this will not be the only one. Otherwise it will be quite boring from role-playing point of view. 

[lynroy]

"Waiting to see" is endorsing the plan though.

 

It's basically the white privileged male something's version of the Holocaust, which when you think about it it's actually worse than the Holocaust because it's literally everyone but like his few yacht buddies that don't make him feel socially inept.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL No. Just no.

 

Everyone waiting for the next game is stuck in the 'wait and see' category. I like Solas's character (all aspects of it), I do not like his plan and do not want him to go through with it. I have to wait and see how it's all going to play out in the next game. If we have to kill him, I will.

[Seraphim24]

Well, I hope you'll have that option if you are so determined on the matter.)

 

However, since it is a game with choices I from my part hope this will not be the only one. Otherwise it will be quite boring from role-playing point of view. 

 

Quite boring unless we can endorse racial genocide? That's a little crazy IMO but you are right it is a game, good thing the fictional realm of Dragon Age is the only place where people have undertaken racial genocide or hateful policies, that doesn't exist at all in the real world in any country and so we're all safe from Solas like people and they can just engage their harmless fantasies.

[Seraphim24]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL No. Just no.

 

Everyone waiting for the next game is stuck in the 'wait and see' category. I like Solas's character (all aspects of it), I do not like his plan and do not want him to go through with it. I have to wait and see how it's all going to play out in the next game. If we have to kill him, I will.

 

let me try and get this Solas defense thing down.

 

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[Macha'Anu]

Quite boring unless we can endorse racial genocide? That's a little crazy IMO but you are right it is a game, good thing Dragon Age is the only place where people have undertaken racial genocide or hateful policies, that doesn't exist at all in the real world in any country and so we're all safe from Solas like people and they can just engage their harmless fantasies.

oh you really have to stop. Its species not race since its not targeting any one race and will likely kill EVERYONE. Please leave the sjw stuff on news forums and tumblr..... Its muddying our games and making it hard for people to have geniuine discussion.

[Seraphim24]

How did I do?

[Macha'Anu]

let me try and get this Solas defense thing down.

 

*Ignorant Childish Troll Speak*

Ignorant child: Confirmed Im blocking you.

[R0vena]

Quite boring unless we can endorse racial genocide? That's a little crazy IMO but you are right it is a game, good thing Dragon Age is the only place where people have undertaken racial genocide or hateful policies, that doesn't exist at all in the real world in any country and so we're all safe from Solas like people and they can just engage their harmless fantasies.

Oh, it's Ok,  I already committed racial genocide by picking Destroy option in ME 3. I guess it is too late for me to turn to the light now.))

[IllustriousT]

lol. Geez.