You said clearly that the world of the elves was separate from the rest of the planet.
What we know now is that even their world had a separation of some sort between the fade and rest of the planet.
meanseven their world(the world of the elves of Arlathan)had a separation of some sort between the fade(was not totally in conjunction)and the rest of the planet(the planet where they used to live.)
The ancient elves always lived on the planet. They had a network called by Morrigan "the Crossroads" that let them travel from one city to another, cities planted firmly on the planet. The remains of the cities are still apparent on the planet. You seem to be saying here that the ancient elves didn't live, or have their world, on the planet. Is that what you're saying? That their world didn't exist on the planet?
Or, are you just saying that in ancient times there was still a sort of separation between Thedas and the Fade?
meanseven their world(the world of the elves of Arlathan)had a separation of some sort between the fade(was not totally in conjunction)and the rest of the planet(the planet where they used to live.)
Wait... so you basically confirm that you were talking about 'world of the elves' as separate in some way from both Fade and Thedas?
Wait... so you basically confirm that you were talking about 'world of the elves' as separate in some way from both Fade and Thedas?
Agreed. I try to be a friendly neutral party to clear up some confusion and I get attitude for no reason. Whatever. Cooler heads always prevail.Well I'm fully confused now lol. Let's not get back into a negative, argue just to argue, infinite Neverending circle state. This poor thread has suffered that enough. Heh. But I still say the Fade was part of the world not totally separate but like the air. There may have been deep pockets that took tons of time in meditation or dreams to reach but I assume for the most part it just was. It was the air and the Misty rain, part of the open world.
Well I'm fully confused now lol. Let's not get back into a negative, argue just to argue, infinite Neverending circle state. This poor thread has suffered that enough. Heh. But I still say the Fade was part of the world not totally separate but like the air. There may have been deep pockets that took tons of time in meditation or dreams to reach but I assume for the most part it just was. It was the air and the Misty rain, part of the open world.
Doesn't Solas basically describe it that way in one of the investigate dialogues? I must say, I like your phrasing better than his, as yours is easier to understand.
Doesn't Solas basically describe it that way in one of the investigate dialogues? I must say, I like your phrasing better than his, as yours is easier to understand.
Yeah that's pretty much what he said and that's how I picture it after hearing it. Oh and thanks. I would say I see it as the Aurora borealis. It's visible in all its splendor. Part of the world. Kinda like the breach really but the breach was a implosion of it. Meh idk I can imagine it was a beautiful world to live in.
meanseven their world(the world of the elves of Arlathan)had a separation of some sort between the fade(was not totally in conjunction)and the rest of the planet(the planet where they used to live.)
I always understood it that way. I think of it as the difference between gauze and canvas or burlap - both will let water through but the burlap will retain a great deal more than gauze. Solas didn't create the Veil - his enchantment merely... thickened the thin membrane that existed between the physical world and the world of spirits.
I always understood it that way. I think of it as the difference between gauze and canvas or burlap - both will let water through but the burlap will retain a great deal more than gauze. Solas didn't create the Veil - his enchantment merely... thickened the thin membrane that existed between the physical world and the world of spirits.
I understand it to have been one world. There was no world of the physical and no world of spirits. This world may have had one dimension more to move about in, namely "away from and towards the physical", but it was one, until the Veil prevented that movement like an infinite-length roadblock.
I'm pro-elvhen... I support his plan...
And that's the first vote.
I support it, but I'm evil
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(sometimes)
And we have a second vote who is next that support Solas.
It would have been nice if Bioware had decided whether the Fade was psychological or physical... now that it's both it's as cohesive as the Matrix movies.
The "in between" space the elves created the Eluvians and Library in should have been the mix of the two.
The Veil should have remained being an un-physical thing.
Tearing down the Veil should have just been instances where you actually see what's going on behind the scenes on Thedas all the time without you being able to see or interact with it.
Now, it's just excuses to run combat obstacle courses.
And that's the first vote.
And we have a second vote who is next that support Solas.
Haha, I support him! Cause I'm curious and a Fade-nerd! 
Haha, I support him! Cause I'm curious and a Fade-nerd!
So we now have three votes who will support Solas.
Of course it's taken from outside. The very class' description tells us where they take their powers from - from spirits they flirt with to let to see the glimpse of the world. Like... there's nothing you can tell to save this. Even the fact that you mention how rare they are shows that this is not a discipline available to everyone and requires specific talents. I mean, the whole argument sprouted from you trying to show that non-mages can pretty much casually use magic, like mages do. Obviously they can't. And we know why most of them can't now - it's the Veil... as well as contribution of culture they've surrounded with that disapproves either of magic or spirits. So long as those exist there's a likely possibility that most people's connection to the Fade shall stay mostly unconscious and their own magic will be something they stay mostly blind to.
I understand it to have been one world. There was no world of the physical and no world of spirits. This world may have had one dimension more to move about in, namely "away from and towards the physical", but it was one, until the Veil prevented that movement like an infinite-length roadblock.
Yet all the terminology used by BW reinforce the impression that both are distinct states, one forever in flux and the other unchanging. Those are antithetic in my mind. There are other settings, in sci-fi for instance, where it's possible for a world to exist simultaneously in separate dimensions. Is that the case here? If so it's not very clear. But perhaps that's information that will be confirmed in the future.
It would have been nice if Bioware had decided whether the Fade was psychological or physical... now that it's both it's as cohesive as the Matrix movies.
The "in between" space the elves created the Eluvians and Library in should have been the mix of the two.
The Veil should have remained being an un-physical thing.
Tearing down the Veil should have just been instances where you actually see what's going on behind the scenes on Thedas all the time without you being able to see or interact with it.
Now, it's just excuses to run combat obstacle courses.
I was on board with it being a sort of parallel dimension, spirits existing alongside mortals, unseen by them, and only those attuned (mages) could "pierce the Veil" and see everything clearly.
But since we went there physically, both as a result of the Conclave explosion, and during Here Lies the Abyss, that rather refutes that perception. A shame too, since I was fond of it and thought it made sense. =/
It would have been nice if Bioware had decided whether the Fade was psychological or physical... now that it's both it's as cohesive as the Matrix movies.
The "in between" space the elves created the Eluvians and Library in should have been the mix of the two.
The Veil should have remained being an un-physical thing.
Tearing down the Veil should have just been instances where you actually see what's going on behind the scenes on Thedas all the time without you being able to see or interact with it.
Now, it's just excuses to run combat obstacle courses.
I guess it's probably a good thing the series isn't done yet. If they gave us all the answers. A good story teller wouldn't tell everything all at once. If they did they wouldnt really have any big twists to reveal in the games. We know enough to know the Fade is. It's all been made clear it wasn't a wall or anything like that but just apart of the world. The veil however is a wall. As it's meant to keep evil slave masters known as Evanuris in check locked up in there.
I was on board with it being a sort of parallel dimension, spirits existing alongside mortals, unseen by them, and only those attuned (mages) could "pierce the Veil" and see everything clearly.
But since we went there physically, both as a result of the Conclave explosion, and during Here Lies the Abyss, that rather refutes that perception. A shame too, since I was fond of it and thought it made sense. =/
I guess it's probably a good thing the series isn't done yet. If they gave us all the answers. A good story teller wouldn't tell everything all at once. If they did they wouldnt really have any big twists to reveal in the games. We know enough to know the Fade is. It's all been made clear it wasn't a wall or anything like that but just apart of the world. The veil however is a wall. As it's meant to keep evil slave masters known as Evanuris in check locked up in there.
So, you're interested in Dragon Age because you want to learn how a fictional magic system works?
I'm interested in something because of characters... that doesn't require world building mysteries of any sort. I prefer my fictional worlds to be explained so I can enjoy the story.
Also, not a huge fan of storytellers that rely on twists to keep my interest.
What does "just part of the world" even mean? Since there is absolutely no reference for a thought-realm that is intertwined with a material world... explain what that even means since you believe it has been "made clear".
Have any of your characters experienced this Fade/Thedas are one realm? Because mine haven't yet. (Except for the hellish representation in In Hushed Whispers - but this crowd needs to believe that's not an accurate representation - so I'll strike it from the conversation.)
If you're going to tell me that character dialogue is the same as exposition... I will simply disagree. Solas testimony is not the same as exposition on what the Pre-Veil world was. He is an unreliable narrator (he's not actually a narrator, but for the sake of Tresspasser he might as well have been.)
Have any of your characters experienced this Fade/Thedas are one realm? Because mine haven't yet. (Except for the hellish representation in In Hushed Whispers - but this crowd needs to believe that's not an accurate representation - so I'll strike it from the conversation.)
If you're wondering why that is, it's because there is still a Veil, there's just a huge hole in it. And the process of being yoinked through the Breach or any of the rifts drives spirits insane.
So, you're interested in Dragon Age because you want to learn how a fictional magic system works?
I'm interested in something because of characters... that doesn't require world building mysteries of any sort. I prefer my fictional worlds to be explained so I can enjoy the story.
Also, not a huge fan of storytellers that rely on twists to keep my interest.
What does "just part of the world" even mean? Since there is absolutely no reference for a thought-realm that is intertwined with a material world... explain what that even means since you believe it has been "made clear".
Have any of your characters experienced this Fade/Thedas are one realm? Because mine haven't yet. (Except for the hellish representation in In Hushed Whispers - but this crowd needs to believe that's not an accurate representation - so I'll strike it from the conversation.)
If you're going to tell me that character dialogue is the same as exposition... I will simply disagree. Solas testimony is not the same as exposition on what the Pre-Veil world was. He is an unreliable narrator (he's not actually a narrator, but for the sake of Tresspasser he might as well have been.)
Smh. No. I'm interested in all aspects of dragon age tyvm. That happens to be one of them. Just because I don't prioritize what interests me like you doesn't mean it should be dismissed.you don't like the same things I do? Good for you doesn't change my mind one bit.
All I simply stated is. The game isn't over yet we don't know what is yet to come. All your answer may come to light. People are to quick to nerd rage out over facts they haven't even received yet, a rage purely fueled by assumptions.
Good day
@Xhilizhra: That wasn't the question... the poster said that they knew what the Fade was. I find that claim highly unlikely as I don't believe Bioware knows for sure what they want the Fade to be.
So... they took a Phil. 101 course - played some Warhammer (it's a shameless plagiarization of the Warp) - and came up with some weird combo.
@Macha'Anu: I wasn't the one who said I knew what the Fade "clearly" was.
Inventing nerd rage to make yourself seem... whatever... is poor form. Don't mistake a bit of free time for an impassioned diatribe about the state of Dragon Age.
We're not really sure what walking the fade physically means though. It might just be referring to the fact that they were experiencing the fade consciously while awake in their physical body, as opposed to while in a dream or trance like state, or under the effects of lyrium, etc.
This would imply the Veil is psychological, and is effecting the population of Thedas mentally, as in some type of spell. The Inquisitor confirms in Tresspasser that it isn't a physical barrier. So I'm still going with the assumption it's a mental or metaphysical one, until we find out more.
But we do physically step out of the rift at Adamant, going from the Fade and back into the mortal realm. We were there, and then we weren't. Similarly, we see ourselves run through the rift in the Fade memory sequence with the Divine, and also see our followers run through before Nightmare blocks the path. Cassandra (I believe) also describes it in such a way at the start of the game when she relates the events of finding the PC.
This is different from, say, the Fade experience in DAO where we clearly fall unconscious and then stand back up when it's over. The same happened again with the Fade in DAA; when it's over, we are shown to have been unconscious and then rise again afterward.
And what does the Inquisitor say, exactly?
@Xhilizhra: That wasn't the question... the poster said that they knew what the Fade was. I find that claim highly unlikely as I don't believe Bioware knows for sure what they want the Fade to be.
So... they took a Phil. 101 course - played some Warhammer (it's a shameless plagiarization of the Warp) - and came up with some weird combo.
@Macha'Anu: I wasn't the one who said I knew what the Fade "clearly" was.
Inventing nerd rage to make yourself seem... whatever... is poor form. Don't mistake a bit of free time for an impassioned diatribe about the state of Dragon Age.
My issue was your first comment. Everything else was irrelevant. It's OK for me to be interest in the lore, the magic, the characters and the story.
Thanks have a good day.
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