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[Nimlowyn]

My friend had a theory they may have been either A lovers or B family. They also theorize that Solas was supposed to take mythal being or her magic if you will but as he seen her placing something in the Eluvian he thinks she may have tricked the trickster. He thinks she's eventually going to be a big baddie as she was passionate about doing whatever it took to get revenge and she can't get revenge if those she's targeting are locked in the nether. He pretty much laughs at some of the Solas arguments as he thinks solas is the least of our problems and I and he honestly think that's Solas is going to be the one to help us fight the actual baddie. But he always says it's only my own opinion I have no real proof of it. I guess there's just so many theories out there

I think the potential redemption arc lends itself to the theory that Solas isn't the big bad of the big bads. I don't know if we necessarily need proof for that, we all have a sense of what stories do and how they are told, so I'd say its a hunch based on that. I do think Solas is going to only get greyer, and I'm anticipating that the decision with what to do with him will be very difficult. I have a feeling stopping the Blights may be part of his plan; after all, he is trying to restore the world. 

 

I think Solas has a long, complicated relationship with Mythal. I used to wonder if they were lovers but now I think they probably weren't. Seems too typical, not sure the writers would do that. 

 

There was so much Elgar'nan in Vir Dirthara that I do wonder how big of a role he will play in the future. Of course, it can always be someone we don't know yet either. I was convinced Sandal's prophecy was about Corypheus...lol. 

[midnight tea]

What line are you referring to, I don't remember that? (Unless you mean in future redcliffe, but I would agree he has issues there after watching the world burn because of himself).

 

I can kinda see your point, he seems like a strange mix of both to me. He's confidant enough in himself to go ahead with his plan without telling anyone what it is, he's confidant enough in his self to leave the Inquisitor alive when they want to stop them with just a shrug and "You'll try". 

 

From disapproval path after ToM "Honor your mistakes. In the end, they may be all you have".

 

And I wouldn't say that it's confidence per se motivates him - determination or desperation doesn't necessarily means confidence. As for him not telling anyone his plan - that's something stemming more from his ginormous trust issues. In fact I'd say that A LOT of it is about trust issues rather than self-assurance - he's in this weird, agonizing spot where he's convinced that he has to do what has to be done, but ain't entirely sure about it, doesn't trust himself and at the same time something broke his trust so much in the past he's almost literally unable to trust anyone else with the task or with helping him. The whole trust issue has been mentioned quite a few times in the game; even romanced Lavellan can throw his lack of trust in her during Trespasser scene in his face. Basically the game throws hints what is his biggest issue so many times, that it makes me pretty certain that future redemption route will predominantly rely on restoring Solas's trust and faith in people.

 

 

Having said that, I don't think Leiliana has self-esteem issues either. I don't think that's at all related to "losing yourself".

 

What else would it be related to? She's been having self-esteem and identity issues since DAO. She didn't trust herself not to turn to her darker side. The death of Justinia and realization that all she's accomplished might actually be pointless obviously hurt faith in her own accomplishments as well as her of faith in world, Maker and people. She blames herself for not protecting Justinia and quietly grieves for all the dark things she's committed while being Justinia's Left Hand (which is why Justinia's spirit told her that she's sorry and why she left the box with a message in Valence).

 

Even DA Keep describes the effect of 'inspiring' her as such: "Reminded of her principles and more certain of her role, Leliana shook much of her grief and guilt at being the Left Hand of the Divine."

 

Leliana Steeled? "Certain she was doing the right thing, Leliana put her conscience aside to ensure that the greater good was achieved."

 

... sounds suspiciously like You-Know-Who 

[midnight tea]

 

The fade is separated from the world otherwise Corypheus wouldn't had to pierce the veil to reach it with the other magisters.

Within the fade there are also physical buildings invisible for those outside of it.

 

Have you actually read anything that was discussed here? In fact did you even read the rest of the comment you've quoted?

 

It doesn't appear you did. 

 

The fact that there are structures that aren't visible is not really that relevant. ESPECIALLY in a world that we KNOW can be shaped by belief, will and perception. If people THINK they have to pierce the Veil to venture into it, the Fade will adapt accordingly. Heck, the elves shaped the Fade however they pleased it, it seems, even creating pocket dimensions and entire structures made out of the Fade.

[Xerrai]

I honestly don't think you are reading or capable of understanding what I'm saying but I'll just make this clear in faceman like ways

 

 

 

[spoiler]

KILLING PEOPLE SOLEY BECAUSE YOU HATE THEM IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY GET THE DEATH PENALTY AND OTHERWISE BE EXTERMINATED FROM SOCIEITY

 

 

 

Except it is very possible--if not outright proven--that he doesn't hate all people.

His approval system, his dialogue, some creator comments by Weekes....all have been used to demonstrate that has capacity/predisposition to care about people. Not just elves. Not just ancient elves. Not just mages. Not just the companions. Everyone.

 

Well, everyone except followers of the Qun and anything related to slavery and the like. That is one ideology where he openly admits his disdain.

 

Now, this all may not matter much to you. After all, all of his caring is not stopping him from ending the world as we know it. You may even rightly claim that it may not count because not all Solas' come to view modern Thedosians as 'real people'. But not viewing them as people and outright hating them are two very different things.

 

But you are absolutely false when you say he is ending the world out of pure malice.

[Macha'Anu]

I think the potential redemption arc lends itself to the theory that Solas isn't the big bad of the big bads. I don't know if we necessarily need proof for that, we all have a sense of what stories do and how they are told, so I'd say its a hunch based on that. I do think Solas is going to only get greyer, and I'm anticipating that the decision with what to do with him will be very difficult. I have a feeling stopping the Blights may be part of his plan; after all, he is trying to restore the world. 

 

I think Solas has a long, complicated relationship with Mythal. I used to wonder if they were lovers but now I think they probably weren't. Seems too typical, not sure the writers would do that. 

 

There was so much Elgar'nan in Vir Dirthara that I do wonder how big of a role he will play in the future. Of course, it can always be someone we don't know yet either. I was convinced Sandal's prophecy was about Corypheus...lol. 

I like this. I can see this. And may e they aren't lovers you are right thst would be too easy but they are Def close. 

I keep hearing about sandals prophecy but I have to admit I don't know much about that. I'm still trying to catch up all the lore. I'm nearly done with the books series as well. I know late to the party. Lol 

[Seraphim24]

Except it is very possible--if not outright proven--that he doesn't hate all people.

His approval system, his dialogue, some creator comments by Weekes....all have been used to demonstrate that has capacity/predisposition to care about people. Not just elves. Not just ancient elves. Not just mages. Not just the companions. Everyone.

 

Well, everyone except followers of the Qun and anything related to slavery and the like. That is one ideology where he openly admits his disdain.

 

Now, this all may not matter much to you. After all, all of his caring is not stopping him from ending the world as we know it. You may even rightly claim that it may not count because not all Solas' come to view modern Thedosians as 'real people'. But not viewing them as people and outright hating them are two very different things.

 

But you are absolutely false when you say he is ending the world out of pure malice.

 

He is ending it out of 98% malice.

 

I'm sorry but I just see Solas as a stand-in for virtually all these elites in like every aspect of society, teachers, professors, police, military, bankers, investment people, all the capitalist control mechanisms, predominantly in America, and they are virtually nothing, they are filth, they are trash, the only value they can ever have is by submission to some kind of extreme concept of discipline from a tolerant enough significant other, whereby they live literally like Jesus or something in the hills with no influence over society whatsoever, but instead? We have the exact opposite. 

 

Instead? Our entire world is coated in their excrement. 

 

And always the same justification, "well they aren't 100% evil, they're just 98% evil" Seriously? 

 

You might as well say "Well he only gassed 98% of the Jews, he actually liked a few." 

[Almostfaceman]

He is ending it out of 98% malice.

 

I'm sorry but I just see Solas as a stand-in for virtually all these elites in like every aspect of society, teachers, professors, police, military, bankers, investment people, all the capitalist control mechanisms, predominantly in America, and they are virtually nothing, they are filth, they are trash, the only value they can ever have is by submission to some kind of extreme concept of discipline from a tolerant enough significant other, whereby they live literally like Jesus or something in the hills with no influence over society whatsoever, but instead? We have the exact opposite. 

 

Instead? Our entire world is coated in their excrement. 

 

And always the same justification, "well they aren't 100% evil, they're just 98% evil" Seriously? 

 

[lynroy]

This is hilarious.

[Seraphim24]

 

Are you sure? I'm just stating what most people consider to be true anyway. No emotional investment on my part. The books on the topic are a dime a dozen, you can find 10 at your local bookstore, one for every segment of socieity (Military, police, educational, you name it)

 

I'm not saying these people are irredeemably the way they are, or unexceptionally that way, or irrevocably or inevitably cause problems for everyone else, but in our present world? Has Solas been a stand-in for like 99% of the world's problems? Definitely. 

 

So he only kills women or something? Wowza bowza, how great I must feel now. 

[Seraphim24]

** Mod edit**

 

Actually I'll just report you for trolling (because it like, is)

 

Not that like literally every other one of your posts isn't laced with that kind of thing. 

[Seraphim24]

But yeah I'm clearly in the way of the idol worship of a human incarnation of a weapon of mass destruction, so please carry on serving your lord and master, I believe his bald spot needs polishing anyway. 

 

And by that of course I mean his entire ugly head. 

[lynroy]

But yeah I'm clearly in the way of the idol worship of a human incarnation of a weapon of mass destruction, so please carry on serving your lord and master, I believe his bald spot needs polishing anyway.

And by that of course I mean his entire ugly head.

Nah, his head is shiny enough it sparkles.

[Almostfaceman]

Actually I'll just report you for trolling (because it like, is)

 

Not that like literally every other one of your posts isn't laced with that kind of thing. 

 

Like, more power to ya. 

 

[Xerrai]

But yeah I'm clearly in the way of the idol worship of a human incarnation of a weapon of mass destruction, so please carry on serving your lord and master, I believe his bald spot needs polishing anyway.

And by that of course I mean his entire ugly head.

You might wanna take a big breath and calm down a bit.

Your latest comments seem to exude quite a bit of overwhelming anger and it can't be doing you much good.

You can come back to discuss the egg head later, but might I suggest a walk? Or a game? Or two minuets with tea?

(Totally honest here)

[Almostfaceman]

But yeah I'm clearly in the way of the idol worship of a human incarnation of a weapon of mass destruction, so please carry on serving your lord and master, I believe his bald spot needs polishing anyway. 

 

And by that of course I mean his entire ugly head. 

 

There's idol worship going on? Pics or it didn't happen. 

 

[Seraphim24]

You might wanna take a big breath and calm down a bit.

Your latest comments seem to exude quite a bit of overwhelming anger and it can't be doing you much good.

You can come back to discuss the egg head later, but might I suggest a walk? Or a game? Or two minuets with tea?

(Totally honest here)

 

Totally honest here, you are both projecting I don't feel a thing. 

 

I just casually referenced the 100% true fact that American government and most elements of American society are currently engaged in a nuclear scale holocaust that makes the Holocaust look dry and have been for a long time now and are current, as of this date, of this writing, still engaged in it, and virtually every other person is collaborating with it because to not do so means certain death from starvation, etc. The centers like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc, are the Auschwitz and the Birkenau, etc, called "American capitalism." They just eviscerated this country and are currently leaving en masse to a country near you... just in case you think you are safe. 

 

Because that's just a fact. 

 

If that "fact" gives you emotional rises that's your own problems. 

 

But anyway, to tie it into the topic since it wasn't just OT, I was just comparing a phenomenon, Solas is pretty much "that guy" and believe me, I'm well aware that he doesn't murder and break things all the time, he does take a break around 23.5 hours in a 24 hour day and sort of pause to consider how evil he is, and maybe even give the victim some water, but he will most definitely resume killing shortly thereafter

[Almostfaceman]

Totally honest here, you are both projecting I don't feel a thing. 

 

I just casually referenced the 100% true fact that American government and most elements of American society are currently engaged in a nuclear scale holocaust that makes the Holocaust look dry and have been for a long time now and are current, as of this date, of this writing, still engaged in it, and virtually every other person is collaborating with it because to not do so means certain death from starvation, etc. The centers like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc, are the Auschwitz and the Birkenau, etc, called "American capitalism." They just eviscerated this country and are currently leaving en masse to a country near you... just in case you think you are safe. 

 

Because that's just a fact. 

 

If that "fact" gives you emotional rises that's your own problems. 

 

But anyway, to tie it into the topic since it wasn't just OT, I was just comparing a phenomenon, Solas is pretty much "that guy" and believe me, I'm well aware that he doesn't murder and break things all the time, he does take a break around 23.5 hours in a 24 hour day and sort of pause to consider how evil he is, and maybe even give the victim some water, but he will most definitely resume killing shortly thereafter

 

Yes, this OT tangent is just as bizarre this time as it was the first time. Go on, get it out of your system. Until you do I'm going to...

 

[Seraphim24]

Yes, this OT tangent is just as bizarre this time as it was the first time. Go on, get it out of your system. Until you do I'm going to...

 

 

There's really nothing to like get out of my system though, as I stated, that's just a bunch of facts, useful for an analogy in this instance to the "Oh he's mostly a serial killer, not ALL serial killer!" defense.

 

Like does anyone seriously buy that?

 

Even if you did, how could you argue that such a character is likable over someone with an actual moral compass? I just don't get it... no massive energy spent redeeming, no dealing with their numerous mental quirks, no... well... no lots of things. 

[Macha'Anu]

Oh ffs, its thedas not america. Cant you go to Anitas site to meld games to sjw stuff. She will totes back you up im sure... I swear some of us, albeit sometimes get heated, seriously just want to talk about the game and not the stuff you learn in social justice 101 being mixed in with a not real world of a fantasy game.   I have a migraine again...... The issue with gamers today they cannot seperate fantasy and fiction from reality. Its trully poisioning our gaming communities. I think its time i mute this thread. Take care all.

[German Soldier]

Have you actually read anything that was discussed here? In fact did you even read the rest of the comment you've quoted?

 

It doesn't appear you did. 

 

The fact that there are structures that aren't visible is not really that relevant. ESPECIALLY in a world that we KNOW can be shaped by belief, will and perception. If people THINK they have to pierce the Veil to venture into it, the Fade will adapt accordingly. Heck, the elves shaped the Fade however they pleased it, it seems, even creating pocket dimensions and entire structures made out of the Fade.

Not sure what you wish to imply with it that buildings within the fade are shaped by belief?

The black city isn't an illusion created by belief and is right at the center of the fade for everyone regardless of what they believe.

[Macha'Anu]

I wonder if that's where the Evanuris are? Probably some ancient elven building we are seeing. Lol. OK now I'm done. Lol. Open phone here's the page. Couldn't resist asking it.

[German Soldier]

I wonder if that's where the Evanuris are? Probably some ancient elven building we are seeing. Lol. OK now I'm done. Lol. Open phone here's the page. Couldn't resist asking it.

There is no answer for that the writers can decide to do whatever they want with the black city since the concept was left to be vague and was never developed.They may even decide to never explain what the black city is since seem to be Maker related.

[Donk]

Oh ffs, its thedas not america. Cant you go to Anitas site to meld games to sjw stuff. She will totes back you up im sure... I swear some of us, albeit sometimes get heated, seriously just want to talk about the game and not the stuff you learn in social justice 101 being mixed in with a not real world of a fantasy game. I have a migraine again...... The issue with gamers today they cannot seperate fantasy and fiction from reality. Its trully poisioning our gaming communities. I think its time i mute this thread. Take care all.

QFT.

And if we're dobbing people into Biomom, may I remind you all its against forum rules to bring real life political issues into these discussions.

Pots and kettles

[BansheeOwnage]

 

What does seem apparent is that the world is going to change in some way. Flemeth goes on and on about it. We have prophecies like the one of Sandal or dreams of Leliana. Some could say that this could have been dropped, but I don't think it is - not with current reveals and not with Flemeth basically marching to Inquisitor, whom she can declare that they're basically the "herald of the new age", while OGB Kieran calls his mother "Inheritor" who awaits that age.

 

We know nothing of Morrigan being immortal, and the whole 'herald' thing (and titles like First-Thaw - funny title for some, but Svarah eloquently explains that it's one that means "when the ice breaks and new spring comes to give life to the world") reeks of this whole change thing being imminent and therefore tied strongly with either Solas's plans or whatever comes right after him.

That hinting would be pretty anticlimactic if we just end up playing as someone else in DA4, and they usher in a new age instead, in my opinion. If the plot was cut in half, I'd really like to play the second half as the character that plot was intended for

 

Oh, it's Ok,  I already committed racial genocide by picking Destroy option in ME 3. I guess it is too late for me to turn to the light now.))

High five

Spoiler

Yeah, I have strong feelings about that particular choice.

 

Absolutely. And now I am returning to endangering the world and ripping... whatever I am ripping... (gosh, so many evil things on my mind, I really get confused sometimes).

 

Ah! Got it! Returning to the topic, I am really curious to see what exactly developers have in mind for us regarding Solas plan. They kept it so vague (deliberately, of course) it is really hard to figure out. It might affect how we view Solas, too. I just hope it will not involve red/green/blue buttons...

I can see it now.

 

Green: Remove the veil and merge the material and the fade! Mortals and spirits become one... Somehow

 

Blue: Strengthen the veil, Qunari style! Everyone becomes tranquil, sucker!

 

Red: Kill Solas, retain the status quo, but all spirits die because reasons.

 

Bonus Yellow option (added in DLC): Defy Solas, but don't actually make a decision! Everyone dies, you lose and Bioware hates you!

 

Or something like that

 

 

Yes, I agree, there it will be changes, too much foreshadowing for them not to come. (Or Bioware will get a golden medal for trolling on the epic scale.) On one side I hope it will be something massive (and we'll have a good variations of ending choice with all shades from Doom to All! to Perfect World - of different types since everybody's idea of perfection is different), but then, I guess, they'll have to end the series... and I really like them, so I am very torn....))

Well, they wouldn't have to end the series. They could always just set the next game in another galaxy...

 

 
This would be the same as if he said, "What if McDonald's didn't serve cheeseburgers, but... [served tacos instead?]" Which would imply that McDonald's does currently serve cheeseburgers. This is currently, mind, not during Solas's previous time.

 

 

Then the game mechanics get in the way of storytelling. After the encounter with Corypheus, the Inquisitor is thrown into a cave where they come upon some demons; we get a small tutorial that explains our new ability and we can use it from then onward. But what is supposed to be the story reason for that? Was it instinct? Intuition? How did the Inquisitor suddenly know how to do this?

 

I've always found the Adamant scenes to be similarly odd. When the party is falling into the canyon, the Inquisitor extends their arm and opens a rift as they are falling. Was this instinct that only came through in this emergency situation? Later on, after coming back through the rift, the Inquisitor closes it with a simple closing of the fist, seemingly with more new knowledge of how to control and use the Anchor. The expression on their face seems to support this. Is that really the case? Nothing is ever mentioned about it, which is pretty disappointing. Being able to open and close rifts at will should be a huge deal.

1. That is what the world could be, if McDonald's served tacos! That is what was lost!

 

2. Yeah, I've always interpreted it as a combination of instinct and the Inquisitor getting more practice with the Anchor as the game goes, even if it's subconscious. Part of the reason is that Quizzy develops more techniques with it when in great danger (no weapons, freezing to death in a cave with demons, falling into an abyss, etc.). It is unfortunate that is isn't explained or discussed though...

[nightscrawl]

That hinting would be pretty anticlimactic if we just end up playing as someone else in DA4, and they usher in a new age instead, in my opinion. If the plot was cut in half, I'd really like to play the second half as the character that plot was intended for

Obviously this reveal won't be for a very long time, but I just really want to know how, or if, the Inquisitor is going to be involved in the next game. I can mentally prepare myself for disappointment, or just start on the path of acceptance, but as long as we don't know anything there is a small (very small) glimmer of hope I'd prefer not to have, but won't go away until we have some sort of announcement, whatever that is.