QFT.
And if we're dobbing people into Biomom, may I remind you all its against forum rules to bring real life political issues into these discussions.
Pots and kettles
Edit: I'm on the defensive cause I'm annoyed I apologize as due to that I think I misunderstood the abbreviation. I'm not hip to all the new ones ha!
Tell that to the person who's actually be doing it. Thanks.
The second paragraph wasn't directed at you. I just quoted your post for truth (that's what QFT means)
I know that now. Lol I looked it up. Again my apologies
Are you sure? I'm just stating what most people consider to be true anyway. No emotional investment on my part. The books on the topic are a dime a dozen, you can find 10 at your local bookstore, one for every segment of socieity (Military, police, educational, you name it)
I'm not saying these people are irredeemably the way they are, or unexceptionally that way, or irrevocably or inevitably cause problems for everyone else, but in our present world? Has Solas been a stand-in for like 99% of the world's problems? Definitely.
So he only kills women or something? Wowza bowza, how great I must feel now.
Watch out, next thing we hear is that Solas is a reptilian that represents all reptilians who rule us today. I'm sure there's a conspiracy book on that somewhere in local bookstores!
Watch out, next thing we hear is that Solas is a reptilian that represents all reptilians who rule us today. I'm sure there's a conspiracy book on that somewhere in local bookstores!
This longwinded diatribe about vague, OT political issues is utterly typical of Kefka/Asellus/Guineviere/Minfillia, and better off ignored.
To return to the topic, I enjoyed Solas character so quickly after meeting him in the game, mostly due to his mode of expression and poetic turn of phrase. I'm cautiously looking forward to the idea of encountering him as a potentially more straightforward antagonist in the next game, and seeing how/whether they manage it.
From disapproval path after ToM "Honor your mistakes. In the end, they may be all you have".
And I wouldn't say that it's confidence per se motivates him - determination or desperation doesn't necessarily means confidence. As for him not telling anyone his plan - that's something stemming more from his ginormous trust issues. In fact I'd say that A LOT of about trust issues rather than self-assurance - he's in this weird, agonizing spot where he's convinced that he has to do what has to be done, but ain't entirely sure about it, doesn't trust himself and at the same time something broke his trust so much in the past he's almost literally unable to trust anyone else with the task or with helping him. The whole trust issue has been mentioned quite a few times in the game; even romanced Lavellan can even throw him lack of trust in her during Trespasser scene. Basically the game throws hints what is his biggest issue so many times, that it makes me pretty certain that future redemption route will predominantly rely on restoring Solas's trust and faith in people.
What else would it be related to? She's been having self-esteem and identity issues since DAO. She didn't trust herself not to turn to her darker side. The death of Justinia and realization that all she's accomplished might actually be pointless obviously hurt faith in her own accomplishments as well as her of faith in world, Maker and people. She blames herself for not protecting Justinia and quietly grieves for all the dark things she's committed while being Justinia's Left Hand (which is why Justinia's spirit told her that she's sorry and why she left the box with a message in Valence).
Even DA Keep describes the effect of 'inspiring' her as such: "Reminded of her principles and more certain of her role, Leliana shook much of her grief and guilt at being the Left Hand of the Divine."
Leliana Steeled? "Certain she was doing the right thing, Leliana put her conscience aside to ensure that the greater good was achieved."
... sounds suspiciously like You-Know-Who
Thanks, I hadn't considered that trust stuff - I've always had high approval so I hadn't seen some of those lines.
With Leiliana, I don't see the self-esteem aspect. She doesn't have faith in the rest of the world, not in herself. As your quotes says, she was always certain she was doing the right thing. She always has confidence in herself, it's just her opinion of the rest of the world that changes.
This longwinded diatribe about vague, OT political issues is utterly typical of Kefka/Asellus/Guineviere/Minfillia, and better off ignored.
To return to the topic, I enjoyed Solas character so quickly after meeting him in the game, mostly due to his mode of expression and poetic turn of phrase. I'm cautiously looking forward to the idea of encountering him as a potentially more straightforward antagonist in the next game, and seeing how/whether they manage it.
With me it was the opposite. When I first started playing DAI I couldn't stand him. He bored me to death and always disapproved of my char's decisions and her dialogue responses.
Then on my most recent pt (and currently canon, still debating whether to do another one in the future as I'm burnt out) I decided to actually listen to him and pay more attention.. he really grew on me. Come Trespasser I was ready to kill him, but when it got to that point at the end when you confront him after he disappears.. I couldn't be mad (or rather my char couldn't be mad, because they had become good friends).
Regardless of his flaws and the fact that he is the antagonist, he is an extremely compelling character. I've always praised DAI for it's cast of well written characters, Solas being close to the forefront of that.
Thanks, I hadn't considered that trust stuff - I've always had high approval so I hadn't seen some of those lines.
With Leiliana, I don't see the self-esteem aspect. She doesn't have faith in the rest of the world, not in herself. As your quotes says, she was always certain she was doing the right thing. She always has confidence in herself, it's just her opinion of the rest of the world that changes.
With me it was the opposite. When I first started playing DAI I couldn't stand him. He bored me to death and always disapproved of my char's decisions and her dialogue responses.
Then on my most recent pt (and currently canon, still debating whether to do another one in the future as I'm burnt out) I decided to actually listen to him and pay more attention.. he really grew on me. Come Trespasser I was ready to kill him, but when it got to that point at the end when you confront him after he disappears.. I couldn't be mad (or rather my char couldn't be mad, because they had become good friends).
Regardless of his flaws and the fact that he is the antagonist, he is an extremely compelling character. I've always praised DAI for it's cast of well written characters, Solas being close to the forefront of that.
Do your friends in real life often put your life in danger, say nothing about the fact that they caused your life to be in danger and then profit off your endangered life?
Enjoy him certainly - I'm just curious if you're so understanding of people who harm you in real life.
The reality is - I believe these in game responses are due to the fact that the player is aware that their character's life is in no real danger because it can't be... because you paid 60 dollars for it not to be. And.. that you're the star of the show... because you paid to be.
Had this been a novel... Solas would have been more like he was with Felassan.
Do your friends in real life often put your life in danger, say nothing about the fact that they caused your life to be in danger and then profit off your endangered life?
Enjoy him certainly - I'm just curious if you're so understanding of people who harm you in real life.
The reality is - I believe these in game responses are due to the fact that the player is aware that their character's life is in no real danger because it can't be... because you paid 60 dollars for it not to be. And.. that you're the star of the show... because you paid to be.
Had this been a novel... Solas would have been more like he was with Felassan.
Not who you quoted but... Every single Dragon Age character I have apart from the Inquisitor is dead. I went through Trespasser utterly convinced my Inquisitor was going to die too. I'm utterly convinced she will die in DA4. 
Dragon Age is the one RPG series I've played where what you've said isn't true.
Not who you quoted but... Every single Dragon Age character I have apart from the Inquisitor is dead. I went through Trespasser utterly convinced my Inquisitor was going to die too. I'm utterly convinced she will die in DA4.
Dragon Age is the one RPG series I've played where what you've said isn't true.
You chose to kill your characters.
You chose to kill your characters.
Nope, it's called Roleplaying. If I knew how the games were going to go I certainly wouldn't have chosen to create the characters I did.
Even if you discount that, you ignore the threat to every other character in the game that is in danger. And if that doesn't count, then your argument is simply that people do not act in video games the same way they do in real life. Which, well, duh. If people acted in real life the way they did in video games, a person's opinion on Solas is the least of the issues we would have. And considering this argument is now applicable to a persons opinion on every other character in every other game in existence, it seems rather irrelevant to Solas in particular.
Anyway, if I knew someone like Solas in real life - I would be equally sympathetic to them.
Do your friends in real life often put your life in danger, say nothing about the fact that they caused your life to be in danger and then profit off your endangered life?
Enjoy him certainly - I'm just curious if you're so understanding of people who harm you in real life.
The reality is - I believe these in game responses are due to the fact that the player is aware that their character's life is in no real danger because it can't be... because you paid 60 dollars for it not to be. And.. that you're the star of the show... because you paid to be.
Had this been a novel... Solas would have been more like he was with Felassan.
tl;dr Gosh, Donk.
tl;dr Gosh, Donk.
You used more than three words in a sentence--I can't cope with that!
I'm very intolerant when it comes to lies and betrayal. *In real life*.
In game however, it's entertainment. I guess the same thing occurred with Anders back in DA2. He was whiny and annoying then at the very end I find out he blew up the chantry, then he became interesting to me.
In terms of interpersonal relationships i don't RP characters with the notion that they are an entertainment because that would be pretty much a form of detachment rather than a form of RP.
I'm very intolerant when it comes to lies and betrayal. *In real life*.
In game however, it's entertainment. I guess the same thing occurred with Anders back in DA2. He was whiny and annoying then at the very end I find out he blew up the chantry, then he became interesting to me.
Solas and everything related to him, Imo, is what saved DAI from being a joke. Corypheus as the main villain for example, was just ridiculous. One could say that the way BW wrote and structured DAI was somewhat lazy and poor but the plus side to that was the shock at the end, finding out that this mysterious know it all character was the true villain.
Add to that I just find him fascinating. He has charm, speaks softly and there are moments there when he is the "good guy". Some have argued that he's faking it and he's a psychopath/sociopath or whatever but I don't believe it's the case.
I just find the concept interesting, he existed before the veil so he has memories and knowledge of something that modern Thedas couldn't possibly understand. Because of this, he believes he's doing the "Right thing". But to regular modern Thedas, it's evil genocide. That is what intrigues me the most. And no, this doesn't mean I sympathise with "evil people" irl or I'm defending his plans.. It's more of a case of respecting and applauding the writers for coming up with such an excellent character and plot line.
You are the first Solas "supporter" I think I can really respect (whether or not I respect anyone really holds no weight).
My only point has ever been that if this were a real man... everyone here would hate him for the way he treats people. You admitted this and admit also that your support of him is based off the fact that he is fictional and therefore you ignore morality for the sake of what you find interesting as a concept (I believe I have seen better characters similar to him - so I'm not much of a fan of his, nor do I find him interesting - again, not relevant to your view).
As a roleplayer - I imagine as if Solas were real and were actually treating me the way he treats the Inquisitor.
I do not examine him like a novel character.
Anyway - thank you for the first non-fan (though you may be a fan) non-biased response I believe I've seen.
The second paragraph wasn't directed at you. I just quoted your post for truth (that's what QFT means)
For the longest time I thought QFT meant Quit F*cking Talking, and to be fair, if I use it, that's what I actually mean. 
Watch out, next thing we hear is that Solas is a reptilian that represents all reptilians who rule us today. I'm sure there's a conspiracy book on that somewhere in local bookstores!
To be fair, if he was the "Sinner" described in one of the ToM ancient elven writing codexes, he might have taken the form of a dragon for a short time and then was swiftly curbstomped by Elgar'nan. But that's the only circumstance under which I think he might be reptilian.
To be fair, if he was the "Sinner" described in one of the ToM ancient elven writing codexes, he might have taken the form of a dragon for a short time and then was swiftly curbstomped by Elgar'nan. But that's the only circumstance under which I think he might be reptilian.
Well, if we're talking "reptilian" as in "dragon" then I can see how he can be one 
After all, he was the possible guardian of Mythal, prooooobably her favorite, so I don't see how - at least at one point - he'd not be the one who could take a form "reserved for the gods and their chosen"...
My only point has ever been that if this were a real man... everyone here would hate him for the way he treats people. You admitted this and admit also that your support of him is based off the fact that he is fictional and therefore you ignore morality for the sake of what you find interesting as a concept (I believe I have seen better characters similar to him - so I'm not much of a fan of his, nor do I find him interesting - again, not relevant to your view).
What I find most interested about Thedas is not the high magic, ancient gods stuff, but modern Thedas. I think that's one of the biggest reasons why I find Solas uninteresting and his "twist" makes me cringe.
Which leads me to wonder, are his fans alright with how divorced he is from everything else going on in the world? This is a genuine question of mine; I'm not trying to be cheeky.
What I find most interested about Thedas is not the high magic, ancient gods stuff, but modern Thedas. I think that's one of the biggest reasons why I find Solas uninteresting and his "twist" makes me cringe.
Which leads me to wonder, are his fans alright with how divorced he is from everything else going on in the world? This is a genuine question of mine; I'm not trying to be cheeky.
How is he divorced from everything else going on in the world? Also not being cheeky.
I'm pretty much the opposite in tastes with regards to this game. Its modern setting was a bit boring and only got more interesting the more I got to play fantasy Indiana Jones. I also like history in general, it's shaped where we are today. The ancient elven history has had a rather profound effect on modern Thedas, to put it lightly.
What I find most interested about Thedas is not the high magic, ancient gods stuff, but modern Thedas. I think that's one of the biggest reasons why I find Solas uninteresting and his "twist" makes me cringe.
Which leads me to wonder, are his fans alright with how divorced he is from everything else going on in the world? This is a genuine question of mine; I'm not trying to be cheeky.
Just like Almostfaceman, I don't find him divorced from anything at all. Dragon Age has always been hinting about the big lore revelations, and they all tie into modern Thedas. Everything seems like a logical progression so far.
I'm interested in Modern Thedas, but you can't understand the "current" world without understanding the past. It's all the same thing to me. The current state of the Elves all tie back to Solas, the current state of mages/templars goes back to all these abuses thousands of years ago. Modern Thedas didn't just spring out of nowhere, it was all due to these major happens in the past.
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