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[Seraphim24]

That's ridiculous, I can think of three examples right off the top of my head where he most certainly gives us his opinion.

 

He hates the Wardens idea of attacking the remaining archdemons. 

 

He disdains human justice (hanging) and says so right before Blackwall confesses to being a fake. 

 

He schools Cassandra on the true nature of spirits, out right telling her the world has it wrong about the differences between spirits and demons. 

 

And that's just a few examples. 

 

As I say, it's difficult to summarize 13 hours of game time and hours of dialogue, but the important point isn't the existence of those times but that he is overwhelmingly geared towards logic. 

 

Besides telling Cassandra on the nature of spirits is instructive not emotional, similar for the Warden's attack. The only thing you can sense is actually emotional is his attitude on the DP. 

 

You can rarely find anyone who is all one thing or all the other. 

[Seraphim24]

 

 

 

None of those quotes support what you are saying though? He is glad you are interested in knowing about the past, but he doesn't want you too base your opinion off someone else - you actually lose influence by doing this. For example, after future redcliffe, he asks how you know it wasn't a dream or something. If you tell him that you could tell it wasn't, you gain approval, if you tell him Dorian knows, you lose influence, because you are blindly following what someone else says without coming to your own conclusion. 

 

Please give an actual quote where Solas blindly follows someone else conclusion or opinion? If Solas followed other people opinions, he wouldn't have started a slave rebellion.

 

 

It's not just whether or not he follows opinions, it's how he orients his decisions, if he starts a rebellion it's because of some ignorance of some logical point in the past, that people aren't appropriately treating the "customs" or something that other people told of import was... you get the idea. 

[Seraphim24]

He is MBTI INTJ heavy on the T, not so much N, no big deal? It happens. 

[Almostfaceman]

As I say, it's difficult to summarize 13 hours of game time and hours of dialogue, but the important point isn't the existence of those times but that he is overwhelmingly geared towards logic. 

 

Besides telling Cassandra on the nature of spirits is instructive not emotional, similar for the Warden's attack. The only thing you can sense is actually emotional is his attitude on the DP. 

 

You can rarely find anyone who is all one thing or all the other. 

 

No, he's actually rather sad when he explains the spirits to Cassandra - they discuss the tragic effects of warfare on the spirit world. He's out-right ticked off about the Wardens. Again, that's just two examples right off the top of my head. There are plenty more. Solas is by no means the Dragon Age version of Spock. 

[Seraphim24]

No, he's actually rather sad when he explains the spirits to Cassandra - they discuss the tragic effects of warfare on the spirit world. He's out-right ticked off about the Wardens. Again, that's just two examples right off the top of my head. There are plenty more. Solas is by no means the Dragon Age version of Spock. 

 

Well Spock is hardly a good example of an emotionless thinker, the whole point of Spock's character is that he is super Tsundere. 

 

Yes they discuss the "tragic effects" but what what is his primary concern? The world, the fade itself, things, not people. 

 

The story with Solas is he is a graden variety just thinker. 

[Almostfaceman]

Well Spock is hardly a good example of an emotionless thinker, the whole point of Spock's character is that he is super Tsundere. 

 

Yes they discuss the "tragic effects" but what what is his primary concern? The world, the fade itself, things, not people. 

 

No, Spock is an excellent example of an emotionless thinker. He doesn't become this "super Tsundere" character you mention until the movies. 

 

Spirits are people to Solas, so yes people are his concern. Once again, it's like you haven't played the game. He also admires Cassandra, reaches out to the Dalish, respects (or disdains) the Inquisitor, finds common ground with Dorian... he has interactions with all the party members that indicate growing relationships with each of them (except maybe Vivienne... but she's a biotch anyway). He cares about the refugees in the Hinterlands...  I could go on and on.

 

You, however continue to not provide anything from the games that supports your opinions. 

[Almostfaceman]

The story with Solas is he is a graden variety just thinker. 

 

First it was "he's a sociopath", now he's a "graden variety just thinker"... whatever that is. What in the game makes him a "graden variety just thinker?" 

[Seraphim24]

No, Spock is an excellent example of an emotionless thinker. He doesn't become this "super Tsundere" character you mention until the movies. 

 

Spirits are people to Solas, so yes people are his concern. Once again, it's like you haven't played the game. He also admires Cassandra, reaches out to the Dalish, respects (or disdains) the Inquisitor, finds common ground with Dorian... he has interactions with all the party members that indicate growing relationships with each of them (except maybe Vivienne... but she's a biotch anyway). He cares about the refugees in the Hinterlands...  I could go on and on.

 

You, however continue to not provide anything from the games that supports your opinions. 

 

I'm not going to add up all the times Solas is "emotional" and all the times Solas is "rational" and compute the emotion pi value for Solas. 

 

That's my impression of his character, based on more than just a single statement here and there.

[Seraphim24]

First it was "he's a sociopath", now he's a "graden variety just thinker"... whatever that is. What in the game makes him a "graden variety just thinker?" 

 

Kinda the same thing, if you think about it. Remember, most of the problems people have with Solas is his whole plan, his personality inherently is no more problematic than a person you encounter at the nearby grocery store. 

[Almostfaceman]

I'm not going to add up all the times Solas is "emotional" and all the times Solas is "rational" and compute the emotion pi value for Solas. 

 

That's my impression of his character, based on more than just a single statement here and there. 

 

So you have no support for your argument. Again. Gotcha. 

[Medhia_Nox]

I accepted his reasons for allowing the Inquisitor to live. I thought they were logical and could apply even to an Inquisitor he was not friends with. There were no such reasons with Felassan.

 

I found the whole thing rather ridiculous.  Different strokes and all that. 

 

But Felassan had presumably been loyal up until that point... Solas is supposed to "afraid of being alone" if the Fade can be trusted...

 

There's not even a conversation... just death if I recall. 

 

Solas is a Grade A douche... but, I've only ever based my opinion on him on what he does to my Inquisitor... not even what he says he plans on doing.  He's still a horrible being in my book.  That I know even without my Inquisitor whatever he plans is going to fail horribly because everything he's planned has failed horribly gives me little comfort.

 

I feel like I need to stop Solas almost as much to prevent the mess of whatever screw up he's about to embark on... as it is justice for my Inquisitor.

[Abyss108]

It's not just whether or not he follows opinions, it's how he orients his decisions, if he starts a rebellion it's because of some ignorance of some logical point in the past, that people aren't appropriately treating the "customs" or something that other people told of import was... you get the idea. 

 

 

No I don't get the idea, I see you making claims about a character, and when other people post proof of the exact opposite, you simply refuse to post anything remotely supporting your point. You've invented a whole bunch of other things here such as "some ignorance of some logical point in the past" with absolutely no reasoning or evidence when it goes against things other people have claimed and have claimed by posting proof from the game. 

 

Every post you make in this topic is you completely fabricating your own character that is completely unrelated to Solas and has nothing in common with him. 

[Seraphim24]

No I don't get the idea, I see you making claims about a character, and when other people post proof of the exact opposite, you simply refuse to post anything remotely supporting your point. You've invented a whole bunch of other things here such as "some ignorance of some logical point in the past" with absolutely no reasoning or evidence when it goes against things other people have claimed and have claimed by posting proof from the game. 

 

Every post you make in this topic is you completely fabricating your own character that is completely unrelated to Solas and has nothing in common with him. 

 

Those lines are taken like verbatim from the game though... so......

 

Sorry but I think at this point I would just be repeating myself to go back into it. 

[Abyss108]

Those lines are taken like verbatim from the game though... so......

 

 

1 - The lines you gave were not verbatim form the game - they are not even proper sentences. I'm sure they were based off something from the game, but they are not what he actually said.

 

2 - Even if they were, they don't support what you said, which I addressed in a previous post.

[Medhia_Nox]

I don't find Solas emotionless at all... if he were emotionless, he wouldn't be crying about his lost world.

 

I think he's insanely melodramatic actually.  I equate him to Barnabas from Dark Shadows (the original, not Johnny Depp).  He thinks what he's saying is serious business.. but for me - I think he might be a melodrama demon.  "I'll kill you, but I'm SO SAD about it."  "I'll destroy the world, oh, but it hurts!  The feels!"

 

If he were cold and calculating about the whole thing I'd perhaps like him a bit better.

[Seraphim24]

1 - The lines you gave were not verbatim form the game - they are not even proper sentences. I'm sure they were based off something from the game, but they are not what he actually said.

 

2 - Even if they were, they don't support what you said, which I addressed in a previous post.

 

So your point is they were instructive, he's warning you about his kind of problem, "blindly following what someone else said without forming your own conclusion." 

 

It's not always about "blindly following other opinions" it's that he (often) bases his position on what people seem to deem valuable. 

 

Sort of like some people say "Oh people like X because it's trending on twitter" rather than because you know, they like it. 

[Almostfaceman]

So your point is they were instructive, he's warning you about his kind of problem, "blindly following what someone else said without forming your own conclusion." 

 

It's not always about "blindly following other opinions" it's that he (often) bases his position on what people seem to deem valuable. 

 

Sort of like some people say "Oh people like X because it's trending on twitter" rather than because you know, they like it. 

 

 

Solas actually goes around saying things many may strongly disagree with, there's no evidence of him polling opinions so that he can discuss popular opinions. None of what you're talking about is making sense. Provide some information from the game... links... youtube videos... that support your statements. 

 

Having your own opinion is fine, but if you're going to discuss it on a public message board be prepared to have your opinions scrutinized.

[Seraphim24]

 

Solas actually goes around saying things many may strongly disagree with

 

That doesn't really actually matter whether it's a "popular" or "unpopular" opinion, the point is it's derived from something else other than his own personal emotional sense. 

[Seraphim24]

 

there's no evidence of him polling opinions so that he can discuss popular opinions. None of what you're talking about is making sense. Provide some information from the game... links... youtube videos... that support your statements. 

 

Having your own opinion is fine, but if you're going to discuss it on a public message board be prepared to have your opinions scrutinized.

 

Ok, Dad. 

 

Anyway, I think he reveals most about himself actually in the romance not in the other sequences so...

 

 

Jeez even look at his expression there it's "I'm supposed to engage sex with this thing?!?!?"

[Almostfaceman]

That doesn't really actually matter whether it's a "popular" or "unpopular" opinion, the point is it's derived from something else other than his own personal emotional sense. 

 

No, he doesn't do that either. He speaks from his own personal experience, that's what makes him valuable to the lore of the game. 

[Seraphim24]

No, he doesn't do that either. He speaks from his own personal experience, that's what makes him valuable to the lore of the game. 

 

Ok Personal experience =/= Personal emotion. 

 

He is valuable to the lore of the game though, information wise, just not, other-way-wise. 

[Almostfaceman]

Ok Personal experience =/= Personal emotion. 

 

He is valuable to the lore of the game though, information wise, just not, other-way-wise. 

 

You're just repeating yourself. I've already provided examples of how you're wrong. You haven't provided any examples to support your argument. 

[Almostfaceman]

Ok, Dad. 

 

Anyway, I think he reveals most about himself actually in the romance not in the other sequences so...

 

 

Jeez even look at his expression there it's "I'm supposed to engage sex with this thing?!?!?"

 

His expression isn't saying anything in that thumbnail of the video, if that's what you're talking about. He's just looking at someone. 

 

Why are you posting the video? What in it supports your argument? Or arguments, you seem to keep moving around your points. 

[Lady Artifice]

It's nonsense, Kefka. The character you're accusing of not forming his own opinions is one of the most famously individualistic and philosophically controversial in the franchise.

[Abyss108]

So your point is they were instructive, he's warning you about his kind of problem, "blindly following what someone else said without forming your own conclusion." 

 

It's not always about "blindly following other opinions" it's that he (often) bases his position on what people seem to deem valuable. 

 

Sort of like some people say "Oh people like X because it's trending on twitter" rather than because you know, they like it. 

 

 

OK, this is going nowhere. I'll bother replying again one you actually post something to support these wild delusions of yours.