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Why do some of you girls maybe guys like ( love ) Solas so much ?


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I can be honest and say there is something to be said for a "villain personality" but Solas is not my type, he's the type that I went to video games to get away from... the ultimate beta (DUN DUN DUN)

 

He's a dime a dozen in Hollywood no need to replicate him in a media explicitly designed to offer alternatives.

 

I infinitely prefer the kind of up close and personal, kind of hands on controlling sort of villain that is just kind of unabashedly infatuated with power and control and stuff like that, someone that actively relishes the chance to kind of impose their will over someone and is actually semi-confident in that approach., or even better, someone who just knows they will succeed at that. Their almost just like curious and excited even, like they don't know what to expect. The uber calculating machisimo, however, is always lame.,

 

Most comic villains are supposedly in this direction but they are often too just aggressively sadistic to make me believe they really have that confidence and are instead just a reaction to the beta villain, almost like they're over-compensating. In many ways, I find them equally boring. There's also beta villains that seem super aware of their own shortcomings in the "failing to act" department and try to overpower you with  beta-ness and make it look like action like Zaeed from ME, but are really just more betas.

 

Ghirahim from SS was kind off and on although sort of still too close to like a Joker stereotype at times IMHO.

 

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I'm also not necessarily turned off by a large degree of gender ambiguity as far as that goes.

 

From Bioware games Valsharess was all right but once again, same thing, too much Joker. Melissan was WAY too sadistic, Sarevok I don't think you really got  to know very well, Aribeth was pretty interesting but it's hard to summarize what her role really was in the end, Archdemon lol, Saren was kind of lame I thought, but like Sovereign and Harbinger were even more lame so...



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I think the thing with the Quinns/Jokers is they relish flaunting whatever power they have, but like... they don't actually really have much power, so you are like... eh.

 

Solas is like the reverse he has all the knowledge but no will, so he ends up this drifting element of chaos who causes great destruction through his inaction or ineptitude, although Solas is also unique in that they decided to make his kind of non-morality something to actually act on, but we've like.. covered that.



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CRAZY story guys I know but people on the Bioware forum and/or fans of Bioware games kinda like villains that don't look like they are from Hollywood or comics, but you know, from Bioware.

 

You know Malak was all right I suppose, but once again... too close to the comic dimension sadistic etc.

 

It's like they're either sadistic and active agents or beta blah, never combining elements of both.....

 

I think Aribeth might actually be the best because she was so forthright she was essentially not a villain but your ally/villain. I think a villain starts to sort of "see the light" and instead of wallowing in low self-esteem or whatever starts to actively promote a cause, etc.



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I think Solas is in the vein of the anti villian, or well intentioned extremist. He has these very altruistic reasons and justifications for what he is doing, etc. The chaos surrounding him comes from his desire to fix what went wrong (as seen in many time travel stories, where the hero keeps meddling in the time line chasing after some event he was supposed to prevent or person he was supposed to save). I guess this is a sort of popular trope now, but it's hard to pull off well, IMO.
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I think Solas is in the vein of the anti villian, or well intentioned extremist. He has these very altruistic reasons and justifications for what he is doing, etc. The chaos surrounding him comes from his desire to fix what went wrong (as seen in many time travel stories, where the hero keeps meddling in the time line chasing after some event he was supposed to prevent or person he was supposed to save). I guess this is a sort of popular trope now, but it's hard to pull off well, IMO.

 

Right, I mean my point was that's very common in Hollywood and am familiar with it acutely, I'm sure it is difficult to pull off or whatever, it still doesn't make me any more interested in that sort of thing....



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Also sorry to use so many Zelda examples but I wouldn't mind just wholesale inversions or meta-villains like "oneself" (or something) as with Dark Link

 

http://zeldawiki.org/Dark_Link

 

I think one of the reasons I hated like.... Guardians of the Galaxy so much was it because it basically just endorsed and idolized every cheap kind of rip-off stereotype villain/hero character and it's just like blergh.



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But you're complaining that you wanted the villain to be one of the most common stereotypes there is...



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But you're complaining that you wanted the villain to be one of the most common stereotypes there is...

 

Well I'll probably phrased that wrong... honestly I'm probably looking for something that doesn't totally exist.. or maybe it does... I don't know.

 

I guess I just think you don't become a hero by being like oh I'm going to do good, instead what happens is someone becomes so infatuated and high on power they no longer feel the need to do all these things like "lust for power and prestige" because they're just dripping with it.

 

But like I think I said "I wouldn't mind" as in not precluding or eliminating.



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Yeah so just the utterly generic evil for evils sake...



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Yeah so just the utterly generic evil for evils sake...

 

No I was talking about the process of like a person.... anyway I think in practice they would be "kind" actually but it's not like just make a "nice" character.



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I just want to say I find the whole "anti-villain" thing really, really interesting. Inverse of the anti-hero. ::rubs chin:: 


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I just want to say I find the whole "anti-villain" thing really, really interesting. Inverse of the anti-hero. ::rubs chin:: 

 

Well intentioned extremist is in like every Hollywood movie ever made though. Anyway, that's my problem with it.



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Honestly I don't even know why we need a villain, don't we have enough problems in the world already? Death, disease, natural disasters, plenty of things to worry about without a mortal enemy.



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Well intentioned extremist is in like every Hollywood movie ever made though. Anyway, that's my problem with it.

 

There are plenty of Hollywood villains that are just in it for their own power, or greed, or whatever else.

 

Honestly I don't even know why we need a villain, don't we have enough problems in the world already? Death, disease, natural disasters, plenty of things to worry about without a mortal enemy.

 

Sure, but that's real life, and we see that when we turn on the news. The Blight is probably the most abstract "villain" we will get in this series, and even that is defeated by killing an Archdemon (the required boss fight).

 

 

You know, I actually wouldn't mind if DA4 was resolved without a boss fight at all. Having to fight Solas would just seem gimmicky, particularly if (1) we have to weaken him, OR (2) gain some uber power source in order to defeat him. We've seen all of that stuff before. We can have some smaller ones along the way, either his lieutenants, or other fights unrelated to Solas (perhaps a big Qunari invasion?), but it would be nice to finish the game in some other way.

 

The Corypheus fight seemed terribly anticlimactic after his insane fight in Legacy, and also the entire Temple of Mythal mission. I'd rather not go through that again.


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Honestly I don't even know why we need a villain, don't we have enough problems in the world already? Death, disease, natural disasters, plenty of things to worry about without a mortal enemy.

I feel inclined to answer with a BORING!-gif, but that's @Almostfacemans' territory, so I'll skip that :P.

Stories need opposites to give them something that drives them forward, The Inquisitor - Solas is a very good one, IMO. What you describe sounds a lot like "Medieval Sim City" to me. Would never buy that.
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There are plenty of Hollywood villains that are just in it for their own power, or greed, or whatever else.

 

 

Sure, but that's real life, and we see that when we turn on the news. The Blight is probably the most abstract "villain" we will get in this series, and even that is defeated by killing an Archdemon (the required boss fight).

 

 

You know, I actually wouldn't mind if DA4 was resolved without a boss fight at all. Having to fight Solas would just seem gimmicky, particularly if (1) we have to weaken him, OR (2) gain some uber power source in order to defeat him. We've seen all of that stuff before. We can have some smaller ones along the way, either his lieutenants, or other fights unrelated to Solas (perhaps a big Qunari invasion?), but it would be nice to finish the game in some other way.

 

The Corypheus fight seemed terribly anticlimactic after his insane fight in Legacy, and also the entire Temple of Mythal mission. I'd rather not go through that again.

 

Is it though? if you have an emotional or personal problem and see "villains" everywhere that's your own business.

 

It doesn't mean everyone is actually an enemy though, you probably just lack the capacity to understand them.

 

At any rate, it seems like your suggestions is to actually have more villains to fight.



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I feel inclined to answer with a BORING!-gif, but that's @Almostfacemans' territory, so I'll skip that :P.

Stories need opposites to give them something that drives them forward, The Inquisitor - Solas is a very good one, IMO. What you describe sounds a lot like "Medieval Sim City" to me. Would never buy that.

 

A comet heading towards Thedas works in terms of moving the momentum forward, to be honest, I'm sure you saw one of those 90s disaster movies...

 

Although those aren't great  because the characters always argue and hate/fight each other.



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I feel inclined to answer with a BORING!-gif, but that's @Almostfacemans' territory, so I'll skip that :P.

Stories need opposites to give them something that drives them forward, The Inquisitor - Solas is a very good one, IMO. What you describe sounds a lot like "Medieval Sim City" to me. Would never buy that.

 

Happy to oblige...

 

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Well intentioned extremist is in like every Hollywood movie ever made though. Anyway, that's my problem with it.


As long as the anti hero archetype is still so popular we will see it a lot more, since the anti villIan is the natural counterpart to the "dark hero". Which makes sense.

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As long as the anti hero archetype is still so popular we will see it a lot more, since the anti villIan is the natural counterpart to the "dark hero". Which makes sense.

 

Well one of my problems with it.

 

Also I don't think it's actually very popular it's just kind of the only option at times like monopolistic practices etc.



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For all i know they could just be their elven friends the so called forgotten ones that's why the don't want to see them die

I don't care however Flemeth,Solas and Morrigan can watch them die one by one killed by The wardens and they have only to deal with it.

Wasn't they at war with the old gods? 



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Well what if instead of a villain it was like someone who... like hm...

 

Like what if you have a leader figure, but they are like so opposed to the like "the system" that as the player you essentially encounter them as like an ally, so you are still fighting, there's still action and stuff and all that, but you would invert the expectation that you are fighting against an "enemy."

 

I think that's what makes DA magnetizing at times is a lot of people go in all RAH like it's time to battle the ultimate evil but the "ultimate evil" is all evasive and hard to find.

 

But like you still fight Loghain, you still fight the Arishok, you still fight... whoever right? I think the natural extension would be.. like a "screw it, lets end this, I'm on your side" sort of thing I think that could be really cool.

 

But like to go back to the topic I think Solas is the polar opposite of that he's like an ultra-traditionalist villain, super evil and such.



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Actually I think what's annoying.... ok... I think I have a better sense.

 

Like I think the villains should actually be kind of obvious in a sense? Like, Darkspawn, just kind of... chaotic evil. I feel like the world (as in global society) spends way too much time hating on like the people who aren't really all that bad. Like, Solas probably "shouldn't" be the villain, it should just be some crazy psycho evil figure where they are obviously malicious.

 

I feel like too often media seeks to exploit like this one element like a fatal flaw and create like huge chaos as a consequence which is just very annoying.



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Unless I'm getting you confused with another poster I thought you did believe Solas was a chaotic evil monster...



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Unless I'm getting you confused with another poster I thought you did believe Solas was a chaotic evil monster...

 

Well of course he is, I'm just saying, he didn't really need to be one, necessarily. That like, stories don't necessarily need a "villain" and several other things.