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[R0vena]

He says something in elven how he walks the journey of death, or something like that, when you ask to help/take you with him. I don't know if it's meant literal or metaphorical, but either way it doesn't sound good.

It makes me wonder because in the base game, he implies the breach would have wiped him out too. So I think either he is different from the other ancient elves now and won't survive (without his power), or his plan to get rid of the other Evanuris includes himself. Who knows. But it does sound like Solas is the type to sacrifice himself for his people/cause. He's already sacrificed his chance at happiness.

That's how I understood his words. Whatever he is going to do to neutralize the Evanuris will cost him dearly, probably death or some eternal torment.

[nightscrawl]

He says something in elven how he walks the journey of death, or something like that, when you ask to help/take you with him. I don't know if it's meant literal or metaphorical, but either way it doesn't sound good.

It makes me wonder because in the base game, he implies the breach would have wiped him out too. So I think either he is different from the other ancient elves now and won't survive (without his power), or his plan to get rid of the other Evanuris includes himself. Who knows. But it does sound like Solas is the type to sacrifice himself for his people/cause. He's already sacrificed his chance at happiness.

 

I think it would be safe to assume that his lowering of the Veil will be done in a different fashion to the Breach. To use a poor analogy: you want to lower the curtain, not rip a hole through it.

 

Also, there is the matter of demons and so forth falling from the Breach, rifts that made the area around them unstable, and so on. I really don't think it will be the same thing. It makes sense that he would also be in danger from the Breach, but might not from a lowering of the Veil in the manner that he plans to do it.

 

This is just him, though. I don't know how any other being will be affected, including all manner of flora and fauna that exists in the current world.

[Sah291]

I think it would be safe to assume that his lowering of the Veil will be done in a different fashion to the Breach. To use a poor analogy: you want to lower the curtain, not rip a hole through it.
 
Also, there is the matter of demons and so forth falling from the Breach, rifts that made the area around them unstable, and so on. I really don't think it will be the same thing. It makes sense that he would also be in danger from the Breach, but might not from a lowering of the Veil in the manner that he plans to do it.
 
This is just him, though. I don't know how any other being will be affected, including all manner of flora and fauna that exists in the current world.

Maybe. I thought so at first, but then Trespasser happened and he described the original plan as "burning chaos" which made me wonder if closing the breach was more about stopping Corypheus from reaching the golden city. It might have just been hyperbole. Or maybe he specifically needed the anchor to survive, which is unclear if he has back now.

[Ieldra]

I think it happens if romanced Inquisitor asks to go with him. He answers that nothing but death awaits him on his chosen path.
 

 
About 3.30, I think.
 
He may pick his people over others, but he  doesn't expect anything good for himself in the end.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I never took that option, since my elven Inquisitor couldn't agree with the price tag of his plans, no matter how much she wished it were different.

This is why I think the story of Solas and Lavellan has special emotional appeal. It's not that "people like Solas so much" but they rather like this personally dramatic aspect of the story: you may be forced to fight a man you love because personal love and happiness isn't the most important thing in the world after all. I wonder how they'll adress that in the next game, with a new protagonist and all.

[R0vena]

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I never took that option, since my elven Inquisitor couldn't agree with the price tag of his plans, no matter how much she wished it were different.

This is why I think the story of Solas and Lavellan has special emotional appeal. It's not that "people like Solas so much" but they rather like this personally dramatic aspect of the story: you may be forced to fight a man you love because personal love and happiness isn't the most important thing in the world after all. I wonder how they'll adress that in the next game, with a new protagonist and all.

Agree 100% about the special emotional appeal.)

 

My Solas romanced Lavellan hasn't made it to Trespasser yet, but for her this phrase "Let me help you" would not mean 'Let me help you destroy the world', but rather "let me help you save you from yourself" since she thinks if she were on his side it would be easier for her to influence him and prevent the disaster. She may be a bit untruthful here... or truthful from certain point of view, but since Solas is fond of doing that himself he is not the one to complain.))

[midnight tea]

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I didn't hear him say anything like that. Source please. As I see it, Solas *is* picking "his people" over others, and that includes himself.

 

Aside from what was said already, there's also this - when you talk to Cole after credits:

"I'm sorry, Cole, but with your gift, I fear you might see the path that I must now walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I would not wish it on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must now insist that you forget. (Cole now speaks) I'm... what were we talking about? I'm ready to help people when you are."

[Macha'Anu]

???

I didn't hear him say anything like that. Source please. As I see it, Solas *is* picking "his people" over others, and that includes himself.

He actually says he will pay in death. I can't remember what he called it. Ancient elven word. But it means going to death. But idk. That's all I can remember. But he himself is expecting to die so he's simply picking the people since he expects to die.  

[Macha'Anu]

Agree 100% about the special emotional appeal.)

 

My Solas romanced Lavellan hasn't made it to Trespasser yet, but for her this phrase "Let me help you" would not mean 'Let me help you destroy the world', but rather "let me help you save you from yourself" since she thinks if she were on his side it would be easier for her to influence him and prevent the disaster. She may be a bit untruthful here... or truthful from certain point of view, but since Solas is fond of doing that himself he is not the one to complain.))

I stared at that choice for a long time. I remember before my dad died last year he asked me "Are you gonna pick something" ,cause he was too sick to play games like da so he would watch me play. I eventually picked that option because I figured it meant she would try and change him. But to be honest I wasn't really sure heh. It sure wasn't easy to pick that option and I have a feeling picking it will mean nothing cause and effect wise. 

[R0vena]

I stared at that choice for a long time. I remember before my dad died last year he asked me "Are you gonna pick something" ,cause he was too sick to play games like da so he would watch me play. I eventually picked that option because I figured it meant she would try and change him. But to be honest I wasn't really sure heh. It sure wasn't easy to pick that option and I have a feeling picking it will mean nothing cause and effect wise. 

I am very sorry about your Dad.

 

My Lavellan would not probably pick that choice if the phrase itself were different. The paraphrase seems not very flexible in interpretation, but once Lavellan actually speaks, I think it could have more than one meaning.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Medhia_Nox,

I think you're taking my words out of context. We were talking about the value of common people being empowered and able to educate themselves. I'm not sure how you went from that to me agreeing with burning the world in raw chaos, etc. I do actually want to stop Solas from doing that.

I'm sorry you grew up in fear. I understand. Which is why I'm stubborn about those who want to censor or control information.

 

Let me be very clear - I grew up in a lot less fear than many others in my time.  That's only important for my own moral compass... I could never abide stealing due sympathy for injustices I did not "often" have to go through.  Anyway - not relevant to the topic, but others lived in terrible fear and I would be remiss to mention I escaped a great deal of it (mostly due to great friends).  I was lucky - so many have not been.

 

I suppose I simply assume that since this thread is specifically about Solas - that we assume Solas will be spearheading this enlightenment.  I agree - let's educate people about the Fade, about spirits, about demons, about magic, etc. etc.  

 

But Solas has - for me - no part to play in the education not because he has nothing to offer - but because he's more interested in serving his own interests.  

 

If the man would chill out.. stop being so melodramatic - stop living in the past and go the hard route of talking and talking and risking failure.  I might be very pro-Solas.

[Macha'Anu]

I am very sorry about your Dad.

 

My Lavellan would not probably pick that choice if the phrase itself were different. The paraphrase seems not very flexible in interpretation, but once Lavellan actually speaks, I think it could have more than one meaning.

 Agree once i chose it, t felt different. and thank you. He loved the DA games and always insisted I play them when he could watch. I had to hook pc to a big TV just so he could see. Lol imagine a 63 yo man's face during romance scenes lol awkward.

[R0vena]

 Agree once i chose it, t felt different. and thank you. He loved the DA games and always insisted I play them when he could watch. I had to hook pc to a big TV just so he could see. Lol imagine a 63 yo man's face during romance scenes lol awkward.

I myself feel quite awkward if somebody watches a game romance scene with me no matter who it is.) But despite that, I am sure he had a lot of fun.

 

ps That's the problem with paraphrasing. I admit I sometimes save and try different variations of conversations just because I am not sure my hero will say what I think he/she will say.

[Malthier]

Has Minfillia lets loose a tirade about how much more clearly they understand these things than everyone else does and how this forum should be closed down yet?

[midnight tea]

Has Minfillia lets loose a tirade about how much more clearly they understand these things than everyone else does and how this forum should be closed down yet?

 

Not yet... but we are nearing that point IMO.

[Sah291]

Let me be very clear - I grew up in a lot less fear than many others in my time. That's only important for my own moral compass... I could never abide stealing due sympathy for injustices I did not "often" have to go through. Anyway - not relevant to the topic, but others lived in terrible fear and I would be remiss to mention I escaped a great deal of it (mostly due to great friends). I was lucky - so many have not been.

I suppose I simply assume that since this thread is specifically about Solas - that we assume Solas will be spearheading this enlightenment. I agree - let's educate people about the Fade, about spirits, about demons, about magic, etc. etc.

But Solas has - for me - no part to play in the education not because he has nothing to offer - but because he's more interested in serving his own interests.

If the man would chill out.. stop being so melodramatic - stop living in the past and go the hard route of talking and talking and risking failure. I might be very pro-Solas.

No, I wouldn't assume that. I think Solas is at a point where he has bailed on such efforts (for whatever reasons, either because he thinks it's impossible given certain circumstances, or has just given up). He believes modern Thedas is past the point of saving. When people go to such extremes it's often because they believe the current situation is a lost cause.

As for magic, fade, spirits, it seems quite possible to learn about all that with the Veil even so. The question was whether doing so would benefit Thedas, if it were to become commonplace. That wasn't meant to be an endorsement of Solas' plan, but just of magic in Thedas in general.

Edit: Since Solas seems to plan to die or be disgraced by the end of all this, I imagine it would be people like Abelas, who actually has been preserving the old ways all this time, who would be in charge of the restoration efforts. Or whoever Solas plans to leave in power to lead his people, which is an open question.

[midnight tea]

I myself feel quite awkward if somebody watches a game romance scene with me no matter who it is.) But despite that, I am sure he had a lot of fun.

 

Saaaame. With that said I don't have anybody here who enjoys RPGs as much as I do. It'd probably be different if there were.

 

 

ps That's the problem with paraphrasing. I admit I sometimes save and try different variations of conversations just because I am not sure my hero will say what I think he/she will say.

 

Haha, I have to admit that I'm a dork and usually test all/most conversation options out of sheer curiosity Therefore later I usually pick what I think fits my characters the most.

[R0vena]

Saaaame. With that said I don't have anybody here who enjoys RPGs as much as I do. It'd probably be different if there were.

 

 

Haha, I have to admit that I'm a dork and usually test all/most conversation options out of sheer curiosity Therefore later I usually pick what I think fits my characters the most.

Well, in my case my husband was the one who introduced me to the gaming world, but I don't feel very comfortable with him watching my hero's love scenes either.  He, on the other hand, has no such problem.))

 

I don't reload if I feel my hero's response was in character, but I tend to replay the games with heroes of various personalities who  choose different reactions. So I usually end up knowing all the responses anyway.

 

DAI is not too bad in that regard, DA 2 was much worse, I remember thinking "Oh no, that was not at all what I meant!" quite often while playing it very first time.)

[Macha'Anu]

Saaaame. With that said I don't have anybody here who enjoys RPGs as much as I do. It'd probably be different if there were.

 

 

Haha, I have to admit that I'm a dork and usually test all/most conversation options out of sheer curiosity Therefore later I usually pick what I think fits my characters the most.

Heh yeah my dad is why I game. He introduced me to atari and it grew from there. He watched me play probably over 100(this is a bit of an exaggeration but it's a lot lol) different games overy the years. Anyway

I also reload and choose different options sometimes. But not always.

[Medhia_Nox]

No, I wouldn't assume that. I think Solas is at a point where he has bailed on such efforts (for whatever reasons, either because he thinks it's impossible given certain circumstances, or has just given up). He believes modern Thedas is past the point of saving. When people go to such extremes it's often because they believe the current situation is a lost cause.

As for magic, fade, spirits, it seems quite possible to learn about all that with the Veil even so. The question was whether doing so would benefit Thedas, if it were to become commonplace. That wasn't meant to be an endorsement of Solas' plan, but just of magic in Thedas in general.

 

Then, given Solas' particularly insanity... we'll have to stop him first and then regretfully proceed without his vast store of knowledge because he's a delusional psycho who lost himself along the way.  

 

Nothing can be learned from even remotely entertaining Solas' delusions.

 

At least we have whoever drank from the Well of Souls.  I'd prefer a repository of elven knowledge over Solas ANY day. 

[Xilizhra]

Then, given Solas' particularly insanity... we'll have to stop him first and then regretfully proceed without his vast store of knowledge because he's a delusional psycho who lost himself along the way.  

 

Nothing can be learned from even remotely entertaining Solas' delusions.

 

At least we have whoever drank from the Well of Souls.  I'd prefer a repository of elven knowledge over Solas ANY day. 

Why do you fear such entertainment?

[German Soldier]

What are you making up now? He was Mythal's guardian. He was much weaker than anybody else, probably a slave himself.

Solas Mythal guardian? Or was you talking of Abelas?

[midnight tea]

 

Solas Mythal guardian? Or was you talking of Abelas?

 

 

No, we're talking about Solas. We don't know anything of Abelas being more than a priest in a specific temple and he doesn't appear to have his symbols or statues that can be found usually near statues of Mythal.

 

From http://dragonage.wik...oads,_Section_1

 

"Many of these pages are filled with sketches of elven statues matching the ones found in the area, along with notes and what look like attempts to practice Qunlat: 

 

Ebost: You all are 

Ebadim: They all are

Ebasaam: We all are

 

If Fen'Harel truly has agents working against us, then the Dread Wolf must be laughing at me. The Blight takes my clan, so I go to Kirkwall. Kirkwall goes to ruin, so I flee to the Qun. Now the Qunari bring me down into the lightless depths, and for what? Because the nursery rhymes I remember from childhood make me an expert on ancient elves.

 

These statues are old. Better shape than anything I've seen on the surface. Many of them are for Mythal, though. And Fen'Harel. Not in a spot of honor, but guarding, attending.

 

Protector and All-Mother, why are you honored here, so far from the light of the sun? And why was the Dread Wolf at your side?"

 

What's more, the rune on Solas's mural we can find in Deep Roads section indicates that the mine is super-ancient - and that it was hastily shut and buried some time before Solas's rebellion.

[Abyss108]

 

Solas Mythal guardian? Or was you talking of Abelas?

 

 

As midnight says, he "guarded" and "attended" her. 

[Medhia_Nox]

Why do you fear such entertainment?

 

You're confusing fear with disgust. 

 

Why do you endorse it?  

[Seraphim24]

I think the "world burning in chaos" stuff and why he's not trying to find an exception for my PC, or, more people, or something or somehow is why it's hard to view the "tormented, remorseful" angle.

 

Without that, it's pretty clear that is what they were striving for with Solas.