Okay thank you both
edit. But if you make an Elf and you make her/him young or old looking it will still be difficult to know their exact age even if they are looking young or old.
Their exact age is the one you give them. I have five elves and they start out the game at ages 24, 28, 34, 36, and 37 because those are the ages I gave them. If I made a younger looking elf, I'd set them closer to 20 years of age.
@midnight tea: Yeah, I agree - trying to see your point of view and considering whether or not I think you have a point - has led me to confusion. I'll just do what you do and adamantly refuse to consider anything but what you already think you know - because you're a professional artists or whatever.
And... how, is Solas like the Titan Prometheus who stole fire from Olympus and gave it to man and then was punished for all eternity by having an eagle eat his liver?
- Solas, stole nothing from wherever the hell the Evanuris dwelt.
- Solas gave nothing to the elven people that uplifted them - he destroyed them. His intentions don't matter.
- Solas was not eternally punished. Except by the invention of all this emo drama that his narcissism inflates to Dark Shadows levels of proportions.
Yes, if you see what you want to see - he's exactly like Prometheus.
And as "tricksters" go... Prometheus is pretty much a trickster god only to wiki. Not every mythological being that tricks others once - is a trickster god.
His role as a Titan had nothing to do with "tricks".
@midnight tea: Yeah, I agree - trying to see your point of view and considering whether or not I think you have a point - has led me to confusion. I'll just do what you do and adamantly refuse to consider anything but what you already think you know - because you're a professional artists or whatever.
Aw, ad hom, strawman and projection all rolled into one. I'm sorry that my "professional artistry" confuses you so much that you ignore that it was entirely not the point I was making.
And... how, is Solas like the Titan Prometheus who stole fire from Olympus and gave it to man and then was punished for all eternity by having an eagle eat his liver?
- Solas, stole nothing from wherever the hell the Evanuris dwelt.
- Solas gave nothing to the elven people that uplifted them - he destroyed them. His intentions don't matter.- Solas was not eternally punished. Except by the invention of all this emo drama that his narcissism inflates to Dark Shadows levels of proportions.
That's some impressive cherrypicking. At one moment you ascribe to Solas a vague badge of "textbook trickster", only to ignore the fact that the common definition of one fits Prometheus... only to become an extreme literalist and claim that since Solas and Prometheus aren't carbon copies of one another (not difficult, considering Prometheus himself is oftentimes NOT a carbon copy of Prometheus in a different variation of a myth) it means he can't be inspired by him, by sharing themes and archetypes with that particular mythological figure.
But here's some news for you - Solas is very much like Prometheus in many respects.
a.) in many variations of myths Prometheus is considered a creator (sometimes protector) of humanity. As it happens, Solas - through Veil creation - is a creator of modern Thedas.
b.) Prometheus was a Titan who sided with Olympians during Titanomachy. The Olympians considered him one of his own and valued his advice. As it happens, Fen'Harel was considered a god who was "kin with Creators" who at the same time was considered by Forgotten Ones as one of their own. Both valued their advice at one point, at least according to myths.
c.) Prometheus' advice, though wise and valued, are oftentimes not taken to heart, like in case of Pandora and her box. Solas warnings also appear to have been ignored, and not just in modern Thedas - he himself tells Inquisitor that he's grown tired of not being heeded.
d.) Neither Solas' or Prometheus' tricks stem from chaotic or mischievous nature. Both were moved by the plight of people suffering under uncaring or fickle gods.
e.) Depending on myth versions, adaptations or interpretations (not just mine) Prometheus' gift of fire isn't necessarily treated literally - Promethean fire also symbolizes knowledge and freedom that can stem from it (enlightenment, yo). Flame or light has pretty much always had such connotations in Western European culture. And guess what Solas brings to people (or at least tries/wants to)? Knowledge and freedom.
Heck, even his initial tarot card has him depicted as one carrying the flame of knowledge - and before you tell me that this is just my interpretation: it just so happens that his card is one called the Hermit. Hermit in tarot symbolism carried the flame or light of knowledge.
f). most importantly: both actions of Solas and Prometheus have consequences, both to themselves and the world they've tried to help with their actions/tricks. Prometheus forever loses his position on Olympus (even if Hercules eventually frees him form his bindings) and Solas loses pretty much everything and gets himself on a road that is as much his perceived duty as is his punishment. At the same time people they've tried to help gain things they can survive with (fire/knowledge/freedom), but those are boons that come with a price that may or may not turn out to be too high ("To the inevitable and troubling freedom we are committed. When we could no longer believe, we lost glory to war. When the Wolf failed/won, we lost the People to war.")
In fact, one of the reasons why Prometheus is among the favorite figures from Greek mythology in Western European literature is because of this - he's a tragic trickster whose actions stem from sympathy towards mortals. He tries to help them, but at the same time both he and them have to suffer for it. He saves/creates people, but at the same time we get to ask ourselves whether their actions and gifts were worth it.
... Really, it doesn't take much to see similarities here.
And as "tricksters" go... Prometheus is pretty much a trickster god only to wiki. Not every mythological being that tricks others once - is a trickster god.
His role as a Titan had nothing to do with "tricks".
Prometheus may not fit your cherrypicked definition of a mythological trickster, but he's most definitely a trickster to people who actually know something about literature or Greek myths (he tricks people/gods several times).
Want a quick proof? Not only wiki lists him as one:
http://www.britannic...theus-Greek-god
...I'm pretty sure as respectable encyclopedia as Brittanica wouldn't describe Prometheus as supreme trickster if he wasn't widely considered as one. And the fact that he's considered a trickster (and one of the most important mythological figures from Greek Mythology in Western culture) is taught in many countries as early as high school. Something tells me that you might have missed that class.
If he had hair, I pretty much guarantee we would not be having this conversation, and the Solavellan fandom would be a 1000x more unbearable to those that dislike him and them.
http://nipuni.tumblr...teaching-myself
Aaaaaaaaahhhh! It's like seeing Blackwall without his beard! 
Wait, did Solas just steal that, rearrange it, and wear it? 
Aaaaaaaaahhhh! It's like seeing Blackwall without his beard!
Well, Blackwall did tell the Inquisitor not to play Diamondback with Solas. He did say he lost everything
Blackwall: "Don't play Diamondback with Solas. You've been warned. Taught him the game last night, he turned around and beat me at it! Lost everything! Had to walk back to my quarters with only a bucket for my bits."
Hmm, yeah Solas is a lot like Prometheus. Depends which version of the myths. But humans already had divine fire, when Zeus decided to withhold it... What they didn't have was the wisdom or forethought to use it ("prometheus" means "forethought"). Divine forethought was what Prometheus wanted to give, and what he tricked Zeus for (to teach humans to save and cook raw meat)... Zeus witholding the fire was punishment for this, because Zeus knew the future, and he knew men would have hubris over the gods and abuse it.
But Prometheus planned to steal it back and return it. And he did. But this resulted in Pandora and Prometheus being punished by the Eagle. The eagle (or vulture, as it is in some versions) that ate his heart (in some versions it is a liver and in others it is his heart), was the offspring of the monster Typhon, and represents Chaos. Every night the heart grows back, and is eaten by day... This myth represents the cycle of order and chaos, and lack of divine forethought, as Prometheus is chained.
Or maybe he is like Zeus withholding the fire in the first place, because divine fire was being abused? Zeus is also a notorious trickster and shapeshifter.
What's more, there exist some versions of myth in which Prometheus is prompted to trickery because the Olympians, unhappy with humanity for whatever reason, tried to destroy it.
Hmmm.... and the whole punishment by Pandora makes me wonder... since there are already many things about ancient Elvenhan that seem to be based on Greek myths at some capacity, I wonder how much DA writers were inspired by myth of Pandora herself? This is of course a speculation, but think about it - in a scenario where Old God whispers (or whispers that are attributed to them) were manipulated or sent by trapped Evanuris, the Black City itself would play a role of Pandora's box.
In original myths the gods, in order to punish both Prometheus and humanity, send Pandora and her box - she eventually opens it and releases all kinds of evils and misery upon the world.
In Thedas the trapped Evanuris (or Forgotten Ones, who knows?), to get a revenge on/punish Fen'Harel and the world left behind, whisper to those willing to hear them and eventually send their chosen entourage to Golden City - foolish humans open it and release misery upon the world in shape of the Blight.
... Kinda fits.
You know how much I love Solas
Today I was kicked out of my parents' house. I'm an adult in my late twenties and was a full-time professional up to three months ago when I cut my job to take care of my sick mom. So I feel like a teenager again. My dad screamed, saying he was killing himself, acted violently, and I called the police. They didn't do anything since there wasn't any evidence. Then my dad kicked me out. If I don't study full-time for the next 9 months for my cpa license, my career will dry up as I become older and the industry becomes automated. This year is the last year I am qualified to get the license. So I'm kind of obligated to be homeless for 2016. No one is forcing me to be homeless, but the amount of material left and what I know of my brain....I have to focus full-time or else. My friend is letting me stay over for a limited time. But then I'll be in my car, taking showers in a gym and studying at a library or Starbucks all day, hoping I don't fail the exams and waste my 9-month window. My car is set up. I got coats and blankets so I don't freeze.
I sat in my car looking out at a waning street lamp and I thought about Solas. What it means to be so attracted to a character who doesn't exist, who is the center of a fandom of people I don't know; but I have so much fun reading their posts and comments every day. I feel connected. It's daddy issues, maybe. But it's funny how I am so comforted by looking all the silly threads and lustful comments, sometimes beautiful and sometimes crazy fan art. They put a smile on my face. I appreciate all of it on a deep level I won't ever be able to express. Thank you BSN.
That's a horrible situation to be in! I'm sorry and I hope you get out of it soon!
Um
If you guys mean "unconventionally attractive" as in like an international model on a billboard in Tokyo who's famed for an ethereal beauty unique and out of the world
then yeah
I'm confused. Is Solas a model now, in real life?
How terrible. I got kicked out of home when I was a teenager, so I understand how you must feel. And I'm glad that BSN, while usually thought of by the rest of the internet as being toxic, has been good for you on an emotional support level. It's kind of like having a dysfunctional family sometimes I guess, haha. I really hope things get better for you soon.
I've never found BSN remotely toxic, at least relative to the rest of the internet. It's practically a haven of civility and acceptance. There will be trolls everywhere of course, but I really don't think this place is that bad.
Edit: Ha, I capitalized "haven" out of habit because these are the Dragon Age forums...
There are some times in-game where the lighting or camera is a bit unflattering for him, and I suppose he's a bit "unconventionally" attractive by say, someone like Cullen or Alistair's standards, but for me it's got a lot to do with the whole deeply intellectual aspect of him. Smart men = sexy, to me at least. Plus the accent doesn't hurt either. Rawr.
I can understand that, since I'm sapiosexual as well.
Btw what is the age of a Human Inquisitor in the game if i would guess late 20's early 30's and the age of some of my Elf Inquisitors i have no idea some of them look like they are just 19 , 20 years old. And the same goes for Dwarfs and Qunaris no idea.
No canon age, but some ages would make more sense than others, depending on the race/background. For instance, I can't imagine Trevelyan being very old at all considering they are currently being groomed to choose a career path. Levellan is the First, so although they could be old and the Keeper simply hasn't died or stepped down yet, I'd imagine they'd train them fairly young. Cadash and Adaar could safely be any age.
I imagine my canon Trevelyan to be in her late twenties, though that is still pushing my own established realism.
Bit of a jump there. Every guy I've liked IRL has been younger than me.
It's always interesting to see how different people are, and that's a good thing. Personally, I'd probably like to be with someone my age or a bit older. I can't imagine being with someone much younger than I am, although I am young myself, so that's probably part of the reason. It might change as I get older.
He could be in my eyes
I'm confused. Is Solas a model now, in real life?
Aaaaaaaaahhhh! It's like seeing Blackwall without his beard!
I like the beardless Blackwall mod, too. And no, Solas didn't steal the beard, Blackwall stole all the beards 
, he said so. "There can only be one!" 
@Xerria: I think causing your predicament and then letting you suffer with the Mark while you battle a creature he empowered... constitutes lying.
I think him letting you take the fall for killing everyone at the Conclave... constitutes lying.
I think infiltrating your organization with spies - constitutes lying.
I think not telling you who he is - constitutes lying.
I think him not telling you he wants to destroy your world while he has you eliminate one of his enemies - constitutes lying.
...certainly not the common meaning when someone hears the word "lie". Yours is not about misinformation or deceptive words that were spoken, but about words that are never said plainly.
You extend the definition to the point where it becomes synonymous with not being forthright.
I will be sure to keep your definition in mind, though I will ask for you to specify which form of 'lie' Solas is using the next time you make that claim. The lies you claim usually have a much different nature than what the word lie usually means, after all.
What's more, there exist some versions of myth in which Prometheus is prompted to trickery because the Olympians, unhappy with humanity for whatever reason, tried to destroy it.
Hmmm.... and the whole punishment by Pandora makes me wonder... since there are already many things about ancient Elvenhan that seem to be based on Greek myths at some capacity, I wonder how much DA writers were inspired by myth of Pandora herself? This is of course a speculation, but think about it - in a scenario where Old God whispers (or whispers that are attributed to them) were manipulated or sent by trapped Evanuris, the Black City itself would play a role of Pandora's box.
In original myths the gods, in order to punish both Prometheus and humanity, send Pandora and her box - she eventually opens it and releases all kinds of evils and misery upon the world.
In Thedas the trapped Evanuris (or Forgotten Ones, who knows?), to get a revenge on/punish Fen'Harel and the world left behind, whisper to those willing to hear them and eventually send their chosen entourage to Golden City - foolish humans open it and release misery upon the world in the shape of Blight.
... Kinda fits.
Btw what is the age of a Human Inquisitor in the game if i would guess late 20's early 30's and the age of some of my Elf Inquisitors i have no idea some of them look like they are just 19 , 20 years old. And the same goes for Dwarfs and Qunaris no idea.
Do we actually know the age of an Elf , Dwarf or Qunari in the game ?
Bioware says the Inquisitors are an indeterminate age between 20 and 40.
Bioware says the Inquisitors are an indeterminate age between 20 and 40.
I wonder why they have super-old-looking complexions and white hair then 
I wonder why they have super-old-looking complexions and white hair then
Probably because they used the same CC to deliberately and randomly create NPCs and wanted some of them to be elderly.
And to give the players more options.
We can blind enemies with his head whats not to love?
I wonder why they have super-old-looking complexions and white hair then
some people don't age well lol
If they aren't going to bother giving my character a detailed origin, I can make them 85 and half-blind and lame if I want to. Solas wouldn't care, he says he's in love with your spirit not your body. XD
You know how much I love Solas
Today I was kicked out of my parents' house. I'm an adult in my late twenties and was a full-time professional up to three months ago when I cut my job to take care of my sick mom. So I feel like a teenager again. My dad screamed, saying he was killing himself, acted violently, and I called the police. They didn't do anything since there wasn't any evidence. Then my dad kicked me out. If I don't study full-time for the next 9 months for my cpa license, my career will dry up as I become older and the industry becomes automated. This year is the last year I am qualified to get the license. So I'm kind of obligated to be homeless for 2016. No one is forcing me to be homeless, but the amount of material left and what I know of my brain....I have to focus full-time or else. My friend is letting me stay over for a limited time. But then I'll be in my car, taking showers in a gym and studying at a library or Starbucks all day, hoping I don't fail the exams and waste my 9-month window. My car is set up. I got coats and blankets so I don't freeze.
I sat in my car looking out at a waning street lamp and I thought about Solas. What it means to be so attracted to a character who doesn't exist, who is the center of a fandom of people I don't know; but I have so much fun reading their posts and comments every day. I feel connected. It's daddy issues, maybe. But it's funny how I am so comforted by looking all the silly threads and lustful comments, sometimes beautiful and sometimes crazy fan art. They put a smile on my face. I appreciate all of it on a deep level I won't ever be able to express. Thank you BSN.
Hey there o/
I just want to say I'm one of the people who love to read your posts here in the Forum! I'm serious! I think you're one of the best people that regularly come and enjoy the BSN.
There are people here who appreciate you and want you to know that. No matter what happens, no matter what life throws at you, keep coming back. Keep posting and interacting with us. You'll always be welcome!
Their exact age is the one you give them. I have five elves and they start out the game at ages 24, 28, 34, 36, and 37 because those are the ages I gave them. If I made a younger looking elf, I'd set them closer to 20 years of age.
Bioware says the Inquisitors are an indeterminate age between 20 and 40.
If i make my Elf Inquisitor looking like a 20 year old character it just feels with the life experience that she has when i play the game. That she must be older but if Bioware says so and you said it as well then i cannot argue that that she is the age what you make her when you create her or him.
Probably because they used the same CC to deliberately and randomly create NPCs and wanted some of them to be elderly.
And to give the players more options.
Well, if they wanted to give us more options, they must have stopped pretty early on
Well, if they wanted to give us more options, they must have stopped pretty early on
I knew that would be your answer. Like, word for word.
I knew that would be your answer. Like, word for word.
Though to expand on what I said a bit, it wasn't so much that they had old complexions and hair that confused me, it was that they'd include them and then turn around and say: "lolnope, your character is 20-40." Like, why bother saying that? Why the cut-off, and why there? You know? Why not just say they are an adult of any age?
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