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[thats1evildude]

Elves don't grow beards.

[Ieldra]

Medhia_Nox is so rabidly anti-Solas I sometimes wonder if they're role-playing for the forum or something. 

While Medhia Nox is a known moral extremist, to be fair, Solas *is* planning something that includes worldwide genocide as a side effect. I think one can be excused to think that any redeeming qualities he might have fail to balance this.

 

It is actually rather astonishing that this doesn't make him unattractive, especially since whoever romanced him in DAI would be among the dead. I guess the idea of redeeming him is a power fantasy for many. We'll see if the next DA game will deliver. It would be interesting...

[Almostfaceman]

While Medhia Nox is a known moral extremist, to be fair, Solas *is* planning something that includes worldwide genocide as a side effect. I think one can be excused to think that any redeeming qualities he might have fail to balance this.

 

It is actually rather astonishing that this doesn't make him unattractive, especially since whoever romanced him in DAI would be among the dead.

 

It's not a "fail to balance" issue, so far as I've read. It's a "there's no good qualities" and "anyone who sees Solas as a complex character is mental" issue.

[Almostfaceman]

 

It is actually rather astonishing that this doesn't make him unattractive, especially since whoever romanced him in DAI would be among the dead. I guess the idea of redeeming him is a power fantasy for many. We'll see if the next DA game will deliver. It would be interesting...

 

It doesn't really astonish me. A woman wanting to "change" or "redeem" a guy is something I've seen often in real life and in zillions of stories. 

[BansheeOwnage]

What's not to like? He's smart and powerful and doesn't look too bad either.

 

He'd be the wrong gender for me in RL, but if I were a woman but otherwise the same, I'd be drawn to the type like a moth to flame (as I envisioned my female elf Inqusitor to be). And isn't that an apt metaphor considering how things go in Trespasser...

Well, if you were a woman but otherwise the same, he'd still be the wrong gender for you...

[Medhia_Nox]

While Medhia Nox is a known moral extremist, to be fair, Solas *is* planning something that includes worldwide genocide as a side effect. I think one can be excused to think that any redeeming qualities he might have fail to balance this.

 

It is actually rather astonishing that this doesn't make him unattractive, especially since whoever romanced him in DAI would be among the dead. I guess the idea of redeeming him is a power fantasy for many. We'll see if the next DA game will deliver. It would be interesting...

 

Thank you Ieldra.  

 

I do indeed take my morals like some people take their sports - quite extreme.  

 

But, I've never met a person who really doesn't... have you not been "disgusted" or "tired of" certain moralities being pressed upon you in games?

 

@Almostfaceman:  It takes exactly zero effort to write scathing opinions about a fictional character I don't like.  

 

And honestly - if you want to critique me for hating a megalomanic... I'll make peace with that... somehow.  

 

@Abyss108:  It's true... some men played women in the game to romance a rodent - so, I guess you've got me there.  Some 'people' like to be lied to and manipulated in their relationships.  

 

We better now?

If you don't think Solas lied and manipulated you through the entire game... well... there's that.  

[Fiskrens]

Elves don't grow beards.

Oh, I know. Considering people's comments on his baldness here, one would think some here wished they could...

[Gilli]

I like Solas, cause he's a well written character. You can argue with him and have nice discussions about nearly everything.

All my Inquisitors are best friends with him. (Greed already maxed out his friendship and he never takes Solas anywhere important and barely talks to him  )

 

Tbh, Solas reminds me of Van Hohenheim from FMA.

Spoiler

- Responsible for the end of their civilzation (Father was made out of Hohenheim's blood / Solas created the Fade)

- old (450 years / 1000+ years)

- very powerful (living Philosopher Stone / Ancient elf mage)

- leave their loved ones (Hohenheim's wife & kids / romanced Lavellan) for some greater good   (stopping Father / restoring the world how it was)

- said greater good has bad side-effects (after Hohenheim leaves, his wife dies and his kids try Human Transmutation / if Solas restores the world, everyone else dies)

 

So I'm basically feeling like Ed in this edit

 

 

I like Hohenheim, I like Solas, both are idiots.

[Witch Cocktor]

I've been sitting here, trying to write down what I think of Solas. I just, can't put it into words.

 

But, in short, I despise the **** out of him. If I was an artist, this is where my gore-enthusiasm would kick in.

 

But, he is well written, and rarely has any character been this frustrating to write about. 

[Abyss108]

@Abyss108:  It's true... some men played women in the game to romance a rodent - so, I guess you've got me there.  Some 'people' like to be lied to and manipulated in their relationships.  

 

We better now?

If you don't think Solas lied and manipulated you through the entire game... well... there's that.  

 

Huh? There's nothing for us to be "better" from.   I have no issue with you.

 

Just seems like you're missing a step to jump from "a guy lied" to "people like a guy because he lied". That's like saying women like drug addicts because they romanced Cullen, or men are attracted to women who hate men because they romanced Morrigan, or everyone is attracted to murderers because *insert any character here*. Bit of a leap of logic there, as I'll bet most people romanced those characters for reasons other than their flaws, but if generalising people and reducing characters to nothing but a single element helps you out somehow, go right ahead.

[Medhia_Nox]

Huh? There's nothing for us to be "better" from.   I have no issue with you.

 

Just seems like you're missing a step to jump from "a guy lied" to "people like a guy because he lied". That's like saying women like drug addicts because they romanced Cullen, or men are attracted to women who hate men because they romanced Morrigan, or everyone is attracted to murderers because *insert any character here*. Bit of a leap of logic there, as I'll bet most people romanced those characters for reasons other than their flaws, but if generalising people and reducing characters to nothing but a single element helps you out somehow, go right ahead.

 

@Abyss108:  

 

1)  Cullen struggles to overcome his addiction.  Any woman who romances him and promotes his addiction DOES like Cullen to be a drug addict.  

 

2)  Is Morrigan "defined" by hating men?  If you can't see that Solas is defined by manipulating and lying to achieve his ultimate goal of the APOCALYPSE - I can't make you.

 

3) As for the murderers bit... I personally draw a distinction between story deaths and gaming deaths (those insane thousands during combat obstacle courses) You do not have to of course.  So... that would mean... who, umm... Blackwall?  Yeah... if you love Blackwall you're okay with a coward who killed some children.  It's easy to forgive him and feel superior... they weren't people the PC loved. 

 

Look... I don't care who loves Solas. I've never gone anywhere NEAR the Blanketfort... because that's not fair.  That's a love-fest for Solas and it doesn't need my bile... but no, I'm not going to just avoid every topic about Solas because people don't want to hear negative things about a character they like.

 

If you can do logical gymnastics to say that your "love" is more relevant than the death of "everyone" - more power to you.  I happen to disagree and don't really feel a problem in intimating that on a public forum about the game.

[BansheeOwnage]

@Abyss108:  

 

1)  Cullen struggles to overcome his addiction.  Any woman who romances him and promotes his addiction DOES like Cullen to be a drug addict. 

Not really. While I would never have him keep taking lyrium, there are understandable reasons for asking him to take it. Well, at least for the "We'll find a way to unhook you after we defeat Corypheus" version.

[Almostfaceman]

Not really. While I would never have him keep taking lyrium, there are understandable reasons for asking him to take it. Well, at least for the "We'll find a way to unhook you after we defeat Corypheus" version.

 

Careful now, you're employing "logical gymnastics". 

[Forsythia77]

I like his voice.  And that's it. 

 

But I personally hate Solas with the passion of 10,000 firey, supernova-y suns.  As soon as I get another companion he rides the pine. In every game.  I cannot get myself to get past his Solas-ness to utilize him or even talk to him.  And honestly I didn't like him from the first time I played the game.   I'm not sure why. 

[Medhia_Nox]

Not really. While I would never have him keep taking lyrium, there are understandable reasons for asking him to take it. Well, at least for the "We'll find a way to unhook you after we defeat Corypheus" version.

 

Yeah... asking someone to continue taking a drug because you benefit from it is disgusting... and anyone who thinks that's a viable option is equally so. 

 

Sorry, I don't feel bad about judging others... consider it my "flaw" and don't we just admire flaws in this "I'm special just the way I am and how dare you question it." culture? 

[Neria Rose]

His voice is irresistible. I could listen to him all day. And he's physically attractive, powerful, and smooth.

[roselavellan]

As many have already said, Solas is intelligent, attractive, powerful and values wisdom and compassion. And then we find out at the end how powerful he really is. Then there's Gareth David-Lloyd's voice. It makes an irresistible combination.

[Ieldra]

Thank you Ieldra.  

 

I do indeed take my morals like some people take their sports - quite extreme.  

 

But, I've never met a person who really doesn't... have you not been "disgusted" or "tired of" certain moralities being pressed upon you in games?

Yes, but that was about a character I play, not one I just meet, and the matter is rather not morality as such but roleplaying - I want control over any characters I play, and it would be equally annoying if, for instance, my Maelyn Trevelyan was suddenly forced to say she hates being a mage, and it actually was equally annoying when Shepard couldn't opt out of saying something stupid in ME3.

 

I do take my ethics and my meta-ethics seriously, but people have different value hierarchies and I tend to be less judgmental about their ethics, irl and in stories alike, unless they're really extreme or hit one of my pet peeves. I'm usually tolerant, but don't get me started about restrictive bio-ethics and anti-abortionists...

 

Regarding Solas, I think the matter is rather more complex than you want to admit, but this thread is not the best place to discuss that.

 

Edit:

You might be interested in what my main Inquisitor has to say about Solas. And about being a hero... Here's a short quote:

 

"Why should I not regard him as equal to those Evanuris he fought against in the past, since all we'll gain from his plans will be exactly the same as we'd have gained from them."

 

and another one:

 

"When I said I do not believe in gods, I meant that no beings exist that deserve what mortals give to beings like Solas or Mythal as they name them gods - the unquestioning regard, the devotion, the acceptance of their pronouncements as ultimate wisdom. And behind all my aspirations to power, there has always been one single desire: to match any power that would control my fate, and to give the ability to do so - to defy both real gods and pretenders to divinity - to everyone who desires it."

[mousesack]

It doesn't really astonish me. A woman wanting to "change" or "redeem" a guy is something I've seen often in real life and in zillions of stories. 

 

Exactly. What most people misunderstand as women liking bad boys is actually what I like to call the 'Fixer-Upper' phenomena: Girl gets with 'tormented' guy and wants to redeem or 'fix' him with the Power of Love™. She naively hopes to be his savior. I don't understand the psychology behind the effect, but it's positively everywhere in romantic fiction and real life. Women and men alike fall for it hook, line, and sinker. 

 

Cullen and Blackwall's romance have slight shades of it, but the Solas romance lays it on thick. Especially after Trespasser. The lack of closure, the fact that he ostensibly loves Lavellan yet can't be with her, angst, etc is a recipe for the perfect romantic tragedy. His status as an ancient immortal quasi-deity makes him even more irresistible. Also, Gareth David-Lloyd's voice is nice on the ears.

 

While I romanced Solas, ignorant of his true identity, I hated not having the chance to give him a stern telling off at the end of Trespasser. He's a hypocrite, (claims to believe in the freedom of all beings, but not the freedom for them to exist apparently) deceived you and outright lied, and is overall just plain dangerous. He is willing to do anything to achieve his goals. No one should be that powerful while being so ruthless. He is even cognizant of his moral wrongness and yet still resolves himself to go on.

 

I don't believe that he's tearing down the Veil out of duty to his people or a selfless, altruistic hope to undo his mistake and truly better the world, though that may be a side benefit from his perspective. I believe he is mainly acting out of a desire to negate his base fear: dying alone. Tearing down the Veil will bring back his 'people' (immortal elvhen) and placate his fear.

[Bizantura]

My excuse, real life humanity is always a slave working directly or indirectly for the war industial complex.  DAI reflects that with Bioware's always used hero archetypes thru out their games.

 

Solas would destroy that in a heartbeat, whats not to like in him and his fantasy?  Hell yes I want to play this out with him if Bioware can write an interesting sensible ongoing coherent script.  And that last part I doubt because they can't undermine the slave/military hero connection where we solely must be addicted to.  Way to dangerous.

[Abyss108]

I find it interesting that people say part of Solas' appeal is the "wanting to save"/dark past/etc stuff when presumably people didn't know that whilst romancing him. 

 

Whilst I'm sure some people romanced him on second playthroughs etc, when they did know such things - a lot of people loved him before all those revelations.

[Sah291]

Because I always go for plot relevant LIs when I can, and I thought he was well written and made the game more dramatic and interesting to me.

It really doesn't have anything to do with agreeing with his actions, or wanting to fix or save him, but.. I just thought it made a good story, and he reveals a lot about the Inquistitor as a character I think. He's the character most fitting as the IQ's rival, dark mirror, or animus (for female Inquisitors).

I liked Tresspasser because it brought together a lot of conflicting emotions, where you can just imagine a romanced Inquistitor having this sinking feeling as she learns his plan, kind of hating and loving him at the same time, and the whole cognitive dissonance of that. Not to mention the whole revelation of her gods being basically monsters too (or so it would seem). Dramatic stuff.

[IllustriousT]

For me, my enjoyment in the romance with Solas has very little to do with wanting to save him, redeem him, or change him. It is not this bad-boy image or the personification of something broken that I can find some satisfaction in repairing. Actually, it is quite the opposite. The reason I care for this romance, is simply because it is broken, it is because of the powerful emotional response that I was left with at its perceived conclusion before Trespasser.  

 

After Trespasser, as I am fairly certain I will not be Lavallen in DA4, I see it has a tragic romance, one for the heart strings, one that leaves you broken. Any story- written, acted, or otherwise, that can leave me  with powerful feelings, bad or good, at it's conclusion is worth remembering and cherishing. 

[Voidinist]

I honestly don't see the appeal of Solas whatsoever. The way he's drawn in a lot of fanart is just such a reach away from the way he looks in game. A frail, puffy-faced bald rat. And that isn't my personal bias talking. When he was revealed before Inquisition was released, the sight of him actually unnerved me.

 

He has the personality of men I'd avoid IRL. A sapiosexual Libertarian who won't shut the **** up about his superior Atheism and his super interesting dream journal.

 

I totally understand wanting him for "intrinsic story reasons", but that requires meta knowledge and I don't have the willpower to endure this Falmer plaidweave fedora wearing ancient elven mage supremacist for that.

[mousesack]

I find it interesting that people say part of Solas' appeal is the "wanting to save"/dark past/etc stuff when presumably people didn't know that whilst romancing him. 

 

Whilst I'm sure some people romanced him on second playthroughs etc, when they did know such things - a lot of people loved him before all those revelations.

 

I don't believe it is necessarily part of his appeal for everyone, at least, for me it wasn't. I didn't mean to imply that everyone who romanced Solas is a victim to that effect. I foremost liked him for his knowledge, voice, and temperament, and found him even more compelling after the reveal. I was trying to explain the phenomena that so often gets misconstrued as women consciously going after bad men or guys who only hurt them.   I apologize if I came off as accusatory.