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[Sah291]

Anyway, I suppose the writers didn't do extensive research of greek and roman mythology when creating Solas but the similarities are striking even though most likely accidental.

 

I don't know, it's possible, the writers certainly seem to like the subject world mythology/philosophy, given the kind of stuff they write about. But the idea of an idyllic past or golden age is common enough that who knows where they got their inspiration from exactly. The Greek idea of the Golden Age, Arcadia, or Eden could all be possible.

 

The Golden Age is interesting, since it is commonly thought to refer to a time pre-civilization, or before recorded history. The Titans are older, much more powerful and primordial gods...perhaps the gods of people who lived during a time before the rise of great empires, in smaller nomadic tribes, or pastoral communities, etc. Zeus/Jupiter is a lot of things, but he is obstinately a god of civilization, justice, and law... as are his offspring, Apollo, Athena, and even Dionysus. The rise of civilization (and empires) also brought with it a lot of things, like slavery, warfare, conquest, poverty, and class stratification. 

 

Since the ancients tended to view history in a more cyclical way than we do today, it makes sense that they would have written about a return of Saturn one day... to the greeks, mankind was in a cycle of regression and decline, away from the Gods and the Golden Age, and moving toward an age of greed and war (the Iron Age). This is quite different from how we tend to view history today, as a linear timeline of progress. In DA2 we get a codex explaining that the Dragon Age is a time of great social upheaval and war. So if Solas has nostalgia for the past... just how far back? He certainly doesn't seem loyal to the Evanuris, but perhaps the Titans? If we can compare Mythal to Hera/Juno, she was occasionally (often) rebellious against Zeus and had even sided against him with her father, Cronus/Saturn, and was known to raise monsters like Hydra, who fought Zeus' offspring. Kind of ironic for a goddess of "marriage" eh? 

[Qun00]

OK?

Dunno what you did to him, but when my character disagreed with him, he gained approval when she argued her points. Was one of the initial reasons I liked him so much, usually a character just hates you if you disagree with them.

Nice job ignoring the guys who like Solas too with your little generalisation that "women like to be lied to".

....When? You get nothing but disapproval if you disagree about blood magic or befriending spirits.

I'd bet you were eager to please and decided to agree with Solas after initially questioning his opinion.

[Ash Wind]

There were people that loved Hitler. There were people that loved Charles Manson. He's a genocidal, psycho who only deserves little more than a long, painful death... swooning voice, "oh but he spoke to me and I love him... so anything he wants is OK with me!" Rolls Eyes.

 

He is irredeemable and needs to die. Solas > Archdemon*347.

[midnight tea]

....When? You get nothing but disapproval if you disagree about blood magic or befriending spirits.

I'd bet you were eager to please and decided to agree with Solas after initially questioning his opinion.

 

Lol, you're surprised he disapproves Inky just declaring that 'blood magic is evil' or 'spirits aren't people/are evil' or 'what you're doing is unnatural'? Solas generally disapproves close-mindedness and people not willing to budge on subjects that are either dear to him, or he's knowledgeable about. That's like... not new.

 

He'll disapprove if people keep being stubborn about certain topics, but if someone displays curiosity and open-mindedness he'd actually approve, even when picking negative responses. The motives are also important - if Inquisitor admits to lying or gathering power for power's sake he'd disapprove. If Inquisitor declares that he/she wants to help people or learn, even in conversations that we can have with him only on negative paths - he'd approve. And he'd only disapprove the most when people will cut discussion short, not really when they're questioning or even disagreeing with him. It's meant to show that having a discussion, even if people don't budge much from their positions, is important for him. He also hardly ever disapproves anyone asking him questions, no matter how uncomfortable. In fact, the more you question him - even about things that may potentially out him - the more he'd approve.

[SkinVision]

(...)

... as are his offspring, Apollo, Athena, and even Dionysus. The rise of civilization (and empires) also brought with it a lot of things, like slavery, warfare, conquest, poverty, and class stratification. 

 

(...)

 

 to the greeks, mankind was in a cycle of regression and decline, away from the Gods and the Golden Age, and moving toward an age of greed and war (the Iron Age). This is quite different from how we tend to view history today, as a linear timeline of progress. 

 

 

With mentioning slavery and cyclic/linear history you gave me a lot of ideas... I study history and just wrote a thesis on this subject though it's really hard to express my thoughts on such a complicated subject in english. But I should learn to anyway so I'll try.

 

First, slavery, civilization and order: The Kronia were festivals of the reverse. There are some sources that claim slaves were set free and served by their masters during those days. They were viewed as "Ventil-Festivals" (I can't find a translation for this, most literal would be valve-celebrations).

 

During the Kronia order was invalidated for one day, the courts didn't work, slaves were free, gambling was allowed, chaos reigned. The next day law and order was re-established. This was supposed to make common people understand that even though they might have a nostalgia for the golden age when everyone was free the current order and current law is superior. The act of re-establishment was supposed to strengthen the status quo. Cronus was set free and banished again.

 

This shows that Cronus was a very ambivalent god. People longed for the golden age but they also feared it. Generally, Zeus banishing him and establishing law and order was seen as a good thing even though it meant living a harder life (as you said).

 

I have to disagree on the subject of regression regarding ancient Greece. Most greek historians and philosophers like Aristotle saw history as static. They had an idea where they came from and that they made progress but they thought they already reached their prime and that things shouldn't change. They didn't think a lot about the future. Ancient rome after Augustus spread the idea of decline and decay.

 

It's also not entirely true that a cyclic view of history is obsolete in modern age, even though what you stated certainly is the most widely spread idea, especially in the anglo-saxon world. However, Machiavelli (most historians would count the renaissance to modern age), Nietzsche, Oswald Spengler, the national socialists and many others had a cyclic view of history. It's still relevant, especially in Europe. There are a lot of right-wing theorists claiming history is repeating itself and that modern Europe is basically ancient Rome who has to defend itself from the barbarians from the East.

 

Now that you mentioned Dionysos I want to talk about Nietzsche but maybe we shouldn't get into that

 

I hope my post doesn't come across as condescending or know-it-all-ish, I really enjoy the conversation.

[Sah291]

I hope my post doesn't come across as condescending or know-it-all-ish, I really enjoy the conversation.

No, no..not at all, you're posts are great. And your English is too!

I suppose my view of the Greek gods is more colored by how they tend to be worshiped today, and indeed a more cyclic (spiritual) view-- not just of history--but in general, is common among certain circles, more influenced by Neoplatonic and mystic interpretations of Plato, than Aristotle. So the idea of Cronus as a "harvest" god, and as such representing a cycle of decay and renewal. I could see how this could be compared to a cycle of social order, and historical rise and fall of empires. And I think this is very much a theme in Dragon Age too. When Flemeth/Mythal tells Hawke in DA2 about people fearing the plunge into the Abyss. She's talking about the fear of change, and the plunge into chaos that comes with it.

A cyclical view of history isn't obsolete today, but certainly not mainstream, IMO. I mean, the idea of history repeating is surely commonplace, but the idea of history as a linear progression (towards improvement of the human condition) is still the dominate one, at least in my country (I'm not European, so just speaking from personal experience here). But I agree, it seems like a major point of controversy between right and left wing political thinking today. A lot of right wing political theories tend to see the world in a state of regression, not progress, and as you said, preserving a state of social order and civilization from chaos (barbarians).

I'm not personally the biggest fan of Nietzsche, but I think I can see where you are going with that. Although I really have a hard time seeing Dionysus as a purely chaotic, or hedonistic/wild god, as he is commonly interpreted to be, for a variety of reasons. And Apollo is not always quite as straightforward either, I think.

[Qun00]

Lol, you're surprised he disapproves Inky just declaring that 'blood magic is evil' or 'spirits aren't people/are evil' or 'what you're doing is unnatural'? Solas generally disapproves close-mindedness and people not willing to budge on subjects that are either dear to him, or he's knowledgeable about. That's like... not new.

He'll disapprove if people keep being stubborn about certain topics, but if someone displays curiosity and open-mindedness he'd actually approve, even when picking negative responses. The motives are also important - if Inquisitor admits to lying or gathering power for power's sake he'd disapprove. If Inquisitor declares that he/she wants to help people, even in conversations that we can have with him only on negative paths - he'd approve. And he'd only disapprove the most when people will cut discussion short, not really when they're questioning or even disagreeing with him. It's meant to show that having a discussion, even if people don't budge much from their positions, is important for him. He also hardly ever disapproves anyone asking him questions, no matter how uncomfortable. In fact, the more you question him - even about things that may potentially out him - the more he'd approve.

Not at all. It is precisely what I expected.

Well, by "keep being stubborn" you mean maintaining your position regarding that subject. And if that gets you disapproval, Solas is no different from other companions.

You needed to give up and agree with him. He doesn't encourage different opinions anymore than anyone else does.

However, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The approval system has always been pretty straightforward.

[Sweeneykill]

Originally I didn't like him, but the more I started talking to him - the more I found his point of view refreshing. (Being friends with spirits and all that). But after finishing the game on my first play through - now I dislike him. I still can't find it in me to hate him, but strongly dislike for sure. I'm still hoping I can save him from himself... and that's after the ahole 'saved' me by

Spoiler

cutting off my hand

Now I feel like he's a righteous p**ck. 

He's a hypocrite. Why save the world if you're going to end it anyway!? Oh right because he wants to do it himself....Come on! Plus he doesn't seem to care about saving any of the elves, Dalish or not, doesn't matter. Everyone must die... by his hands if they are of 'our' world since that's the only way to save 'his' elves. Pfft.   At least save all the elves then. Shesh. 

[lynroy]

Solas didn't cut off the arm, he only removed the anchor. You can see the Inquisitor still has their arm when he walks away. The arm was too far gone to save at that point though.

[Addictress]

Solas didn't cut off the arm, he only removed the anchor. You can see the Inquisitor still has their arm when he walks away. The arm was too far gone to save at that point though.

I always thought Solas internally severed the arm or cast a spell that began a process for the lower arm to slowly dissolve and be eaten up by the anchor without spreading up the arm to the rest of the body.

Just because you see the lower arm there as Solas walks away doesn't mean he didn't apply some kind of stop in the middle of the arm that allows the anchor to burn away the lower arm without affecting the remainder.

[lynroy]

http://olessan.tumbl...ication-on-what
User:  Sorry if you’ve already answered this, but did Solas remove Quizzy’s arm or did they cut it off later? What’d he do to it?
Weekes: He removed the Anchor. Your hand was too far gone at that point to save, though.

Head canon the rest as you like.

[dawnstone]

Originally I didn't like him, but the more I started talking to him - the more I found his point of view refreshing. (Being friends with spirits and all that). But after finishing the game on my first play through - now I dislike him. I still can't find it in me to hate him, but strongly dislike for sure. I'm still hoping I can save him from himself... and that's after the ahole 'saved' me by

Spoiler

cutting off my hand

Now I feel like he's a righteous p**ck. 

He's a hypocrite. Why save the world if you're going to end it anyway!? Oh right because he wants to do it himself....Come on! Plus he doesn't seem to care about saving any of the elves, Dalish or not, doesn't matter. Everyone must die... by his hands if they are of 'our' world since that's the only way to save 'his' elves. Pfft.   At least save all the elves then. Shesh. 

I'm not sure if this is only on the friendship/romance path, but he says he "will save the elven people, even if this world must die". He doesn't say, "my people" or "the elvhen", he says "the elven people", which leads me to believe that he wants to save modern elves, as well, if he can. There is a great deal of disagreement about this, particularly by those who do not like Solas and how he twists words, and seems to contradict himself about who is and isn't a proper elf. Anyway, if everyone else is going to die, who cares if he manages to save the modern elves, too?

 

But, he also says if, which is important. It means he hasn't given up on the idea that there could be another way to accomplish his goal without killing shitloads of people, and destroying the entire world as the Inquisitor knows it (I still maintain that the Veil being removed isn't what will kill people, it will be the sudden return of magic to people who didn't have it previously, the waking of the Titans, and different factions taking advantage of the chaos). He still has a faint hope, or wants there to be another way, and has come to see something valuable in modern Thedas and its people. He is not speaking in absolutes, which for me, paints him as redeemable. Again, I do not know if this is the same on the rival path.

 

One thing he does seem certain of though, is that he is likely going to die doing whatever it is he is doing, as will anyone who stands in his path to saving the elves. He can admit to a romanced inquisitor that he "walks the din'anshiral" the journey to the place of death, and that he doesn't want them to see him become whatever it is he's going to become - probably giant wolf monster/full-blown Dread Wolf in the end, so that there can be a big boss battle at some point (though I'm personally more interested in trying to talk him down, than mashing buttons for loot).

 

Anyway, however it goes down, Solas is not the only one who wants the Veil removed. It is suggested that Mythal needs it removed to get her revenge, that the Titans need it removed to wake up properly; the Evanuris of course want to be free, then there's the Order of Fiery Promise. Even the Chant of Light seems to suggest that the goal of the Chant is to bring "the Light of redemption" to the world. The Fade is often referred to as "the Sun" (Elgar'nan was the first child of the Sun, while surface dwarves are "sun-touched") or "the light" (by the voice in The Tiniest Cave quest) in various codexes both human and elven.

 

//Edited to fix link.

Modifié par dawnstone, 15 avril 2016 - 09:24 .

[midnight tea]

I always thought Solas internally severed the arm or cast a spell that began a process for the lower arm to slowly dissolve and be eaten up by the anchor without spreading up the arm to the rest of the body.

Just because you see the lower arm there as Solas walks away doesn't mean he didn't apply some kind of stop in the middle of the arm that allows the anchor to burn away the lower arm without affecting the remainder.

 

The writer actually clarified that: https://twitter.com/...382475528790016

 

Translation from rot 13:

 

user: "Sorry if you've already answered this, but did Solas remove Quizzy's arm or did they cut it off later? What’d he do to it?"

 

Weekes: "He removed the Anchor. Your hand was too far gone at that point to save, though."

[midnight tea]

Not at all. It is precisely what I expected.

Well, by "keep being stubborn" you mean maintaining your position regarding that subject. And if that gets you disapproval, Solas is no different from other companions.

 

I've specified clearly what kind of stubbornness we're taking about - the one born form close-mindedness. It's really hard to go anywhere with positions like "this or that is evil". It closes any further discussion. It's like invoking Godwin's Law and calling Solas Hitler or Manson and people who like or understand him obsessive women who swoon at his every word, like some people here do - we'll not go anywhere with this, because there's no room for any discussion we could have.

 

And no - changing one's position to less close-minded is not "giving up and agreeing with someone". It's not as black and white.

[BansheeOwnage]

Solas didn't cut off the arm, he only removed the anchor. You can see the Inquisitor still has their arm when he walks away. The arm was too far gone to save at that point though.

I thought flycam confirmed that he disintegrates the arm. For that matter I thought Weekes said the same thing. I'm confused.

 

Ugh, talking about this makes me angry

[Qun00]

I've specified clearly what kind of stubbornness we're taking about - the one born form close-mindedness. It's really hard to go anywhere with positions like "this or that is evil". It closes any further discussion. It's like invoking Godwin's Law and calling Solas Hitler or Manson and people who like or understand him obsessive women who swoon at his every word, like some people here do - we'll not go anywhere with this, because there's no room for any discussion we could have.

And no - changing one's position to less close-minded is not "giving up and agreeing with someone". It's not as black and white.

So the idea is that Solas respects one who is willing to be enlightened by his wisdom.

I thought the other person I'd replied to meant that he actually likes it when people disagree and that had me confused. Whew.

[SkinVision]

So the idea is that Solas respects one who is willing to be enlightened by his wisdom.

I thought the other person I'd replied to meant that he actually likes it when people disagree and that had me confused. Whew.

 

Maybe he doesn't give approval for disagreeing with him since the approval/disapproval system is kind of restricted but he does change his mind quite often and admits when he's wrong, for example during banter with Varric and with Sera.

• Solas: I do not understand you, Sera. You have no end goal for your organization.
• Sera: Nobles get rattled, and people get payback. I play in the middle.
• Solas: Why not go all the way? You see injustice, and you have organized a group to fight it. Don't you want to replace it with something better?
• Sera: What, just lop off the top? What's that do, except make a new top to frig it all up?
• Solas: I...forgive me. You are right. You are fine as you are.
• Sera: You hurt my head sometimes, Solas.
• Solas: Yes, I have been known to do that.

That's why I find it hard to believe he suddelnly went full Hitler.

[Sah291]

I thought flycam confirmed that he disintegrates the arm. For that matter I thought Weekes said the same thing. I'm confused.
 
Ugh, talking about this makes me angry

It's ambiguous no matter what Weekes says. He says he removed the anchor, but what does that even mean? That he took the anchor? Or the anchor dissolved with the hand and is gone now?

Going along with what dawnstone said above, if the fade is made of light or solar energy than probably so was the anchor. The hand burned away and Solas either absorbed it or it dispersed. Cole describes the Inquisitor as being very "bright" and "loud" so I'm guessing that was referring to the anchor.

I'm not sure it matters in the end. Solas can either use the anchor now, or he can just use Mythal's power... The important thing is just that the Inquistitor no longer has it.

[dawnstone]

 

It's ambiguous no matter what Weekes says. He says he removed the anchor, but what does that even mean? That he took the anchor? Or the anchor dissolved with the hand and is gone now?

Going along with what dawnstone said above, if the fade is made of light or solar energy than probably so was the anchor. The hand burned away and Solas either absorbed it or it dispersed. Cole describes the Inquisitor as being very "bright" and "loud" so I'm guessing that was referring to the anchor.

I'm not sure it matters in the end. Solas can either use the anchor now, or he can just use Mythal's power... The important thing is just that the Inquistitor no longer has it.

if the fade is made of light or solar energy

I think that maybe the Fade represents a metaphysical "Sun", and so it would still be Fade energy; calling it solar or light just muddies things (which is annoying because while it's poetic, it's hard to tell when the sun is just the sun and what have you, in various writings).

 

As for the Anchor, I took it that Solas simply yanked it out of your character, as he makes a pulling gesture, and either claimed it or dissolved it. With Mythal's power it's feasible that he could alter any eluvian to lead to the Fade (as she did in the Final Piece in the worldstates that have Kieran). I also assumed, since the forearm didn't disappear, it was amputated after the Inquisitor returned, due to the massive tissue and bone trauma it suffered.

 

The important thing is just that the Inquistitor no longer has it.

Yes, this. No matter how the ragged flesh of their arm got lopped off, the point is that it is gone for good.

[Medhia_Nox]

Replaying the beginning - interesting comment from Solas.

 

"An enemy comes at you head on, only a friend can betray you.  Betrayal is the worst thing anyone can do." 

Well Mr. Solas... funny I'm not allowed to remind you that you said that.... 

 

Of course, my original Inquisitor didn't consider him a friend - so there was no betrayal - just my Inquisitor being proven right.

 

But my new Inquisitor is going to be betrayed... sadly once again proving my original Inquisitor right.  

 

Well.. at least I don't have to change my opinion about Solas no matter who I play. 

 

@Qun00:  Also, believing blood magic is okay and spirits aren't dangerous is not "being enlightened by wisdom".

 

Solas is the most unbending character in the DA franchise... he even tells you he has an idea he might be wrong... but, he is incapable of changing. 

 

It's laughable someone could critique the player for stubborness and think Solas is somehow open minded. 

 

NOTE:  What it really means is:  "Solas agrees with my views of the DA world... so that means he's wise." 

[Sweeneykill]

I'm not sure if this is only on the friendship/romance path, but he says he "will save the elven people, even if this world must die". He doesn't say, "my people" or "the elvhen", he says "the elven people", which leads me to believe that he wants to save modern elves, as well, if he can. There is a great deal of disagreement about this, particularly by those who do not like Solas and how he twists words, and seems to contradict himself about who is and isn't a proper elf. Anyway, if everyone else is going to die, who cares if he manages to save the modern elves, too?

 

But, he also says if, which is important. It means he hasn't given up on the idea that there could be another way to accomplish his goal without killing shitloads of people, and destroying the entire world as the Inquisitor knows it (I still maintain that the Veil being removed isn't what will kill people, it will be the sudden return of magic to people who didn't have it previously, the waking of the Titans, and different factions taking advantage of the chaos). He still has a faint hope, or wants there to be another way, and has come to see something valuable in modern Thedas and its people. He is not speaking in absolutes, which for me, paints him as redeemable. Again, I do not know if this is the same on the rival path.

 

One thing he does seem certain of though, is that he is likely going to die doing whatever it is he is doing, as will anyone who stands in his path to saving the elves. He can admit to a romanced inquisitor that he "walks the din'anshiral" the journey to the place of death, and that he doesn't want them to see him become whatever it is he's going to become - probably giant wolf monster/full-blown Dread Wolf in the end, so that there can be a big boss battle at some point (though I'm personally more interested in trying to talk him down, than mashing buttons for loot).

 

Anyway, however it goes down, Solas is not the only one who wants the Veil removed. It is suggested that Mythal needs it removed to get her revenge, that the Titans need it removed to wake up properly; the Evanuris of course want to be free, then there's the Order of Fiery Promise. Even the Chant of Light seems to suggest that the goal of the Chant is to bring "the Light of redemption" to the world. The Fade is often referred to as "the Sun" (Elgar'nan was the first child of the Sun, while surface dwarves are "sun-touched") or "the light" (by the voice in The Tiniest Cave quest, and in ) in various codexes both human and elven.

 

//Edited to fix link.

 

My impression of that conversation was that he's trying to save 'his Elves'. But maybe you're right. But in the beginning of the game, he's clearly not a fan of the Dalish. And other than if you romance him, and he admires you - etc. It doesn't seem like he changes his mind about them in general? Does he? That's not to say he won't save them....  Guess they purposely leave it open ended. If it was a definite - we would know the plot for DA4. But he really doesn't seem interested in saving all the elves, which is why I sort of got upset with him to begin with.

 

I will say this though, I still can't really dislike him. I'm still convinced I can save him. 

 

As for the cutting of hand thing.... It really did seem like he did it, doesn't it? I mean, he can turn people into stone with his mind.... cutting off the Inquisitor's hand with his mind in order to save her/him from the anchor doesn't seem so far fetched in my opinion. Doesn't make him a total a**. I mean after all, he still saves you.

[Sah291]

@Medhia_Nox,
Ha, that must be why he avoids befriending anyone. He tells the Inquistitor in one convo that he doesn't have any.

[dawnstone]

My impression of that conversation was that he's trying to save 'his Elves'. But maybe you're right. But in the beginning of the game, he's clearly not a fan of the Dalish. And other than if you romance him, and he admires you - etc. It doesn't seem like he changes his mind about them in general? Does he? That's not to say he won't save them....  Guess they purposely leave it open ended. If it was a definite - we would know the plot for DA4. But he really doesn't seem interested in saving all the elves, which is why I sort of got upset with him to begin with.

 

I will say this though, I still can't really dislike him. I'm still convinced I can save him. 

 

As for the cutting of hand thing.... It really did seem like he did it, doesn't it? I mean, he can turn people into stone with his mind.... cutting off the Inquisitor's hand with his mind in order to save her/him from the anchor doesn't seem so far fetched in my opinion. Doesn't make him a total a**. I mean after all, he still saves you.

I will be the first to admit that I am a generous person to characters like him, because I see bits of myself in him. We both have an INT- personality type, flipping to either P or J depending on how magnanimous we're feeling (Solas is a lot more magnanimous than I am, to be frank, so I lean towards him being INTP).

 

His relationship with the Dalish was soured immediately by learning that everything he'd done to try to save them had not only ruined them, but literally made him their mythological devil. I can't say I'd have dealt with that knowledge much better, if I were in the same situation, or it wouldn't have made me slightly bitter towards them.

 

I think that when he says that the restoration of "his people means the end of yours", to a Dalish, it does not have to be just about physical death, but cultural. A lot of the Dalish worldview is centered around being marginalized, disempowered, and ignorant of vast swathes of the knowledge and history of the elves that they wish to reclaim. What does it mean to be Dalish if that is restored, if they are no longer weak or ignorant of their heritage? Then again, there are some fans who speculate he wants to do a massive blood magic ritual, kill every elf and bust open the Fade... despite the fact that he says he does not use blood magic, because it makes it more difficult to reach the Fade.

[Abyss108]

....When? You get nothing but disapproval if you disagree about blood magic or befriending spirits.

I'd bet you were eager to please and decided to agree with Solas after initially questioning his opinion.

 

They disagreed on the Dalish but she got approval when she pointed out how they were trying and he was being a dick about it. He also wanted to believe the future Redcliffe wasn't real, but you get approval if you say that you would be able to tell the difference yourself, rather than relying on Dorian's opinion on it (arguing your own point, rather than just blindly following someone else's argument, even though they both are the same point). 

 

My character didn't change any of her opinions based off what Solas said to her. (She did eventually change her opinion on Spirits but this was never discussed with Solas and had nothing to do with anything he said. She never gained approval from him for this). The options you're talking about losing approval with are all about being closed minded, and blindly following other's rhetoric instead of your own conclusions.

 

Not sure what Solas ever says that should convince you to change your mind about any of these subjects, unless you play the most wishy-washy protagonist in existence without any opinions of her own. And then I'm not sure why you would disagree with him in the first place. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Medhia_Nox,
Ha, that must be why he avoids befriending anyone. He tells the Inquistitor in one convo that he doesn't have any.

 

He may actually say that - and I'll have to have my new Inquisitor react to that when it happens - but I find that to be a total load of crap.

 

That's his copout way of feeling like he didn't betray anyone?  Because the people that put all this trust in him and go do his personal quest aren't his friends?