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So the idea is that Solas respects one who is willing to be enlightened by his wisdom.

I thought the other person I'd replied to meant that he actually likes it when people disagree and that had me confused. Whew.

 

The idea is that he actually HAS wisdom, at least on certain topics. Like - we know for a fact that he knows more about things like spirits and esoteric magic or ancient past more than anyone else, not just because he's a Fade nerd, but because he was actually there. He knows this stuff, like not many in modern Thedas do. But at the same time he knows how the world is now - so nobody should really be surprised that when he finds people who don't just dismiss things as evil or unnatural outright and are willing to look past what their culture or experience says to actually learn something (from a person they don't know has experience he has on top of that) about the world he approves of their efforts. 

 

And on things he's uncertain of, he'd actually approve if Inky makes a good point - like when he asks after Redcliffe if the whole dark future wasn't just a trick of the Fade. Or in case of Wardens - he doesn't like them and he thinks they're foolish, but if Inky points out (during negative path scene) that so far they're the best tool against he Blight, guess what - he approves. What's more, it's not just Inky - when other companions make good points, he listens and agrees. Varric defends Wardens and Solas concedes that they indeed bought them some time. Sera argues against turning Jennies into more they're now and he accepts that. He might have sneered at Dorian for appropriating elvhen magical techniques to Tevinter, but at the same time he readily asks him about Dorian's new tricks and discusses magic with him like a peer. He even has a banter (after ToM) with Vivienne, with whom he hardly has anything in common, where he agrees with her about gross misuse or magic.

 

It all shows how listening to other people or their perspective is important for him as well - this is exactly the reason why he himself began changing his mind about Thedas, after all. And look at Cassandra - we know she'd most likely never really abandon her faith and she sees some things the way she sees them, but we do know that Solas respects her, no matter if he likes Inky or not. Why? Because even if she doesn't entirely agree with Solas on things, she's willing to hear his perspective. That was always very high on Solas' personal approval list - considering others people's input.

 

So no, it isn't just about his wisdom, or however you seem to try and spin it.


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He may actually say that - and I'll have to have my new Inquisitor react to that when it happens - but I find that to be a total load of crap.

 

That's his copout way of feeling like he didn't betray anyone?  Because the people that put all this trust in him and go do his personal quest aren't his friends? 

 

The only cop out I see going on here is ignoring or twisting in-game facts.

 

Like, who says that he feels like he didn't betray anyone? He does state right after returning to Skyhold "you were a true friend, you did everything you could to help; I can hardly abandon you now".

 

And when he leaves after Cory fight he says that no matter what comes Inky will always have his deep respect - so he knows that what he's doing will hurt his new friend to a point he'd likely lose him/her as well and, you know... die alone. And if you try and hit him during Trespasser scene he says to befriended Inky that he understands their anger and that he'd likely feel the same if he was in their place.

 

And it's not like he totally throws himself into people's arms - he hardly asks people of anything and warns Inky (after we make an alliance with templars or after ToM) that they should be wary of ally's or friend's betrayal. Even the balcony scene is very subdued, like he's reluctant to declare his friendship and warns romanced Lavellan that him turning away would be kinder in the long run. So he knows well that either his later actions, or even the whole Fen'Harel reveal will hurt people he cares about - and that's the exact reason why this character is tragic.


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I'm not sure if this is only on the friendship/romance path, but he says he "will save the elven people, even if this world must die". He doesn't say, "my people" or "the elvhen", he says "the elven people", which leads me to believe that he wants to save modern elves, as well, if he can. 

 

Agreed. There's also evidence he sees "modern elves" as "his people" because in several conversations he speaks with Sera in unguarded moments and says "our people". 

 

I don't think Bioware spent the money to point out that the "modern" elves still had a unique connection to the Fade so that it would mean nothing later on with the plans of Solas. 


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Agreed. There's also evidence he sees "modern elves" as "his people" because in several conversations he speaks with Sera in unguarded moments and says "our people". 

 

I don't think Bioware spent the money to point out that the "modern" elves still had a unique connection to the Fade so that it would mean nothing later on with the plans of Solas. 

 

Eh, I don't know - he also says, even to elf Quizzies, that "the return of my people means the end of yours." 

 

So while I think that modern elves 'not being that far apart' will indeed play its role, I'm not sure this is all just about ancient or modern elves. Solas has already stated that he's doing what he does because the Veil has cut 'most people's' connection to the Fade, while Sandal's prophecy declares that 'everyone will be how they were before'. It's one or reasons why I think being 'one of the People' may not be as straightforward as it seems to be.

 

Like - on one hand we have Solas calling only befriended elf Inky 'lethallan/lethallin', but at the same time the only two other people he calls that is Abelas and... a spirit of Wisdom. And  if Inky (of any race) states during balcony scene that they don't see themselves different from anyone, Solas says that it's only true in terms of their body, while declaring that Inquisitor (again, of any race) reminds him of people from what could only be pre-Veil times.

 

We also have him slip after Halamshiral, which reveals that the first thing he thinks about when he hears 'his people' are actually mages, while he states that he feels he has little in common with modern elves. Then there are comments like the one he has to Hyndel (after 'Shallow Breaths' quest is done) that the boy may have elven ears, but not the soul. Even more so, when Dalish Inky states that she/he is a proud Dalish and mentions 'our people', Solas is bitter about it and says that the Dalish had forgotten what 'our people' actually is and that it should mean more.

 

So yeah... I suspect physically modern elves are much closer to how people were before, which may or may not guarantee their survival (or whatever else awaits them), but I don't think it's that simple as saving ancient/maybe modern elves... I think DA4 will probably have many interesting reveals about the nature of the People.


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Eh, I don't know - he also says, even to elf Quizzies, that "the return of my people means the end of yours." 

 

So while I think that modern elves 'not being that far apart' will indeed play its role, I'm not sure this is all just about ancient or modern elves. Solas has already stated that he's doing what he does because the Veil has cut 'most people's' connection to the Fade, while Sandal's prophecy declares that 'everyone will be how they were before'. It's one or reasons why I think being 'one of the People' may not be as straightforward as it seems to be.

 

Like - on one hand we have Solas calling only befriended elf Inky 'lethallan/lethallin', but at the same time the only two other people he calls that is Abelas and... a spirit of Wisdom. And  if Inky (of any race) states during balcony scene that they don't see themselves different from anyone, Solas says that it's only true in terms of their body, while declaring that Inquisitor (again, of any race) reminds him of people from what could only be pre-Veil times.

 

We also have him slip after Halamshiral, which reveals that the first thing he thinks about when he hears 'his people' are actually mages, while he states that he feels he has little in common with modern elves. Then there are comments like the one he has to Hyndel (after 'Shallow Breaths' quest is done) that the boy may have elven ears, but not the soul. Even more so, when Dalish Inky states that she/he is a proud Dalish and mentions 'our people', Solas is bitter about it and says that the Dalish had forgotten what 'our people' actually is and that it should mean more.

 

So yeah... I suspect physically modern elves are much closer to how people were before, which may or may not guarantee their survival (or whatever else awaits them), but I don't think it's that simple as saving ancient/maybe modern elves... I think DA4 will probably have many interesting reveals about the nature of the People.

 

I think you and I pretty much agree. The Veil has affected more than just the elves. Lowering the Veil will destroy most civilizations because it changes the very nature of the citizens in those civilizations. I believe that Solas is drawing "modern" elves to him at the end of Trespasser to help them with this transition, so that more of them survive than, say, someone who doesn't have his aid. 

 

I don't think the game makes it as clear, however, how the Veil affects humans and dwarves and qunari - which is not the main focus of Solas anyway. But yes, any race can have a conversation with Solas in Haven about how the perception of humans, elves, qunari changes the relationship with spirits in the Fade. This perception is warped by the Veil. 

 

I think Solas goes through a transition as we game along with him. At first he's pissed off at the "modern" elves for not handling the Veil better than they have. I think he expected them to do a better job of holding on to their history and nature. After all, despite acknowledging their faults, he still has a lot of pride in elves. At the same time, I think he's pissed off at himself for his role in the whole matter. I think this anger towards the elves slowly turns more to sadness... there's still more to the beings of Thedas than he saw in them at first. 


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Maybe he doesn't give approval for disagreeing with him since the approval/disapproval system is kind of restricted but he does change his mind quite often and admits when he's wrong, for example during banter with Varric and with Sera.

  • Solas: I do not understand you, Sera. You have no end goal for your organization.
  • Sera: Nobles get rattled, and people get payback. I play in the middle.
  • Solas: Why not go all the way? You see injustice, and you have organized a group to fight it. Don't you want to replace it with something better?
  • Sera: What, just lop off the top? What's that do, except make a new top to frig it all up?
  • Solas: I...forgive me. You are right. You are fine as you are.
  • Sera: You hurt my head sometimes, Solas.
  • Solas: Yes, I have been known to do that.
That's why I find it hard to believe he suddelnly went full Hitler.

Mmm... true, he does acknowledge a good point sometimes. Like when Lavellan says "What course would you set for them that is better than what they know now?" and Solas replies, "You're right. The fault is mine, for expecting what the Dalish could never accomplish".

Perhaps the greatest culprit of intellectual inflexibility is Vivienne. I can't believe how easy it is to hit rock bottom in her approval bar just by disagreeing a few times.
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Mmm... true, he does acknowledge a good point sometimes. Like when Lavellan says "What course would you set for them that is better than what they know now?" and Solas replies, "You're right. The fault is mine, for expecting what the Dalish could never accomplish".

Perhaps the greatest culprit of intellectual inflexibility is Vivienne. I can't believe how easy it is to hit rock bottom in her approval bar just by disagreeing a few times.

 

Yeah except Solas goes full "Your people are s***" and if you reply "Senpai , please enlighten me" he goes "Yeah you're right I was being too harsh...".

You have to coddle him for him to concede stuff , he's pretty boneheaded for a thousand of years old "wise" guy.


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Yeah except Solas goes full "Your people are s***" and if you reply "Senpai , please enlighten me" he goes "Yeah you're right I was being too harsh...".

You have to coddle him for him to concede stuff , he's pretty boneheaded for a thousand of years old "wise" guy.

 

And "knowing things" has nothing to do with wisdom. 

 

The fact that he knows he's wrong, but cannot change, but tells you he feels bad he can't change, but leaves you alive so "maybe" you can "redeem" him or stop him...

 

Is not "wisdom" or "tragedy". 

 

Had Solas' story stopped 3000 years ago... it would be a tragedy.  Now - it is a farce. 

 

And I believe Flemeth knows it... and has planned for his next debacle and her schemes are directly related to putting an end to his idiocy.


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And "knowing things" has nothing to do with wisdom. 

 

The fact that he knows he's wrong, but cannot change, but tells you he feels bad he can't change, but leaves you alive so "maybe" you can "redeem" him or stop him...

 

Is not "wisdom" or "tragedy". 

 

Had Solas' story stopped 3000 years ago... it would be a tragedy.  Now - it is a farce. 

 

And I believe Flemeth knows it... and has planned for his next debacle and her schemes are directly related to putting an end to his idiocy.

Or utilizing it. One would think it would have been simpler if she ended Solas at the end of DAI, but it seems she is intent on brining about a "New Age".



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Yep, still love him, still want to mash his face with my Lavellans. <3 :wizard:  :kissing: 

 


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Replaying the beginning - interesting comment from Solas.

 

"An enemy comes at you head on, only a friend can betray you.  Betrayal is the worst thing anyone can do." 

Well Mr. Solas... funny I'm not allowed to remind you that you said that....

A small but important correction. It's "Betrayal is always worse", not "The worst thing anyone can do."

 

@Medhia_Nox,
Ha, that must be why he avoids befriending anyone. He tells the Inquistitor in one convo that he doesn't have any.

That's odd, in my game he said he has plenty of friends: spirits.


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Yeah except Solas goes full "Your people are s***" and if you reply "Senpai , please enlighten me" he goes "Yeah you're right I was being too harsh...".

You have to coddle him for him to concede stuff , he's pretty boneheaded for a thousand of years old "wise" guy.

 

Lol, even if we pick very confrontational options he keeps himself open for questioning and gives the same answers and gives the same approval if you ask him about stuff, no matter how much you disagreed before. So... sorry, but what coddling? He's always willing to share his knowledge - with the exception of questions about himself I don't think his questioning about elves or stuff ever goes away, no matter if our approval with him hits rock bottom.

 

Heh, even more than that - on negative path you can totally discuss the matters of elves with him and depending on the answer he'd approve or disapprove. So... what coddling?

 

Also - he has harsh words about the Dalish, but it's hardly "your people are sh***". He's like Dorian in this respect - he criticizes his people a lot, but that's because he cares. And I don't hear anyone screaming "racist" or any other silly stuff when Dorian points out wrong things about Tevinter. Solas thinks the Dalish got many things wrong and that they're akin to children in many respects and you know what? He's right in that respect. Even his writer said in one of most recent reviews that one of things that can be said about Solas that he can be a jerk, but he's indeed right about quite a few things.


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Lol, even if we pick very confrontational options he keeps himself open for questioning and gives the same answers and gives the same approval if you ask him about stuff, no matter how much you disagreed before. So... sorry, but what coddling? He's always willing to share his knowledge - with the exception of questions about himself I don't think his questioning about elves or stuff ever goes away, no matter if our approval with him hits rock bottom.

 

Heh, even more than that - on negative path you can totally discuss the matters of elves with him and depending on the answer he'd approve or disapprove. So... what coddling?

 

Also - he has harsh words about the Dalish, but it's hardly "your people are sh***". He's like Dorian in this respect - he criticizes his people a lot, but that's because he cares. And I don't hear anyone screaming "racist" or any other silly stuff when Dorian points out wrong things about Tevinter. Solas thinks the Dalish got many things wrong and that they're akin to children in many respects and you know what? He's right in that respect. Even his writer said in one of most recent reviews that one of things that can be said about Solas that he can be a jerk, but he's indeed right about quite a few things.

 

Yeah he was pleasent when he goes "perhaps we should plant a tree for the only thing your people got right."

Asking questions is not a debate.

If you think blood magic is bad , disapproval.If you think spirits aren't people, disapproval.Not talking how a huge hypocrite he is , because he lectures you about the personhood of spirits as early as Haven when he doesn't think you're truly a person.

If you think his idea about the fade suck , disapproval.

The whole time for unknown in game reason you're led to believe Solas has authority about what he is talking about .

The whole thing is highly questionable without metagaming knowledge of him being the Dread Wolf.

 

He sees deeply into the fade things as old as the ancient elven empire.He's like the only mage able to do that , there's no human mages seeing stuff about Andraste .

But everyone except Vivienne , shrug and goes oh well.

Not even the Inquisitor can truly question that and ask if he didn't smoke too much elf root or something.

Cassandra for unknown reason also believes whatever he's saying.

 

About Solas , no he isn't right , he's got opinions , he's right about the ancient world , but the world has changed and he missed a few episodes in between.

If for Solas the danger of spirits isn't a problem , well it doesn't apply to current people who aren't thousand of years old mages who happens to be dreamers too.The careless and foolish being drown in a river example he uses is stupid.

It means 99% of people would drown in that river .

But we know he's alright with that.



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For me Solas was one of the only well written characters. I was actually interested in hearing his background. I thought Dorian would be interesting upon first meeting the character, but then Bio slapped us with the typical daddy issues trope again.
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Also - he has harsh words about the Dalish, but it's hardly "your people are sh***". He's like Dorian in this respect - he criticizes his people a lot, but that's because he cares. And I don't hear anyone screaming "racist" or any other silly stuff when Dorian points out wrong things about Tevinter. Solas thinks the Dalish got many things wrong and that they're akin to children in many respects and you know what? He's right in that respect. Even his writer said in one of most recent reviews that one of things that can be said about Solas that he can be a jerk, but he's indeed right about quite a few things.

 

Soris and Dorian's situation is not the same. Dorian embraces Tevinter as his own, while Solas makes it clear time and time again that the Dalish are NOT his people, and pulls no punches criticizing them, and you by extension. Time after time in the game, if you try to connect with him as a fellow elf, he shuts you down--usually by throwing your Dalish upbringing back in your face. "We are both of the same people, Solas." "The Dalish I met felt... differently on the subject." Try to ask his opinion on elven culture, then he snidely answers, "I thought you might want to tell me your opinion on elven culture. You are Dalish, are you not?" (I still get red thinking that.)

 

Heck, he makes it clear many times in the game that he doesn't consider city elves or Dalish elves "his" people. Heck, if you talk to him right after the Orlesian Ball and comment that you'd wanted to or are glad you helped Briala (depending on choices) because you want to help "our people," he gets confused for a moment and says, "Our people? What do you mean--oh, you mean elves! I'm sorry, I don't consider most modern elves 'my people.' " Well, F U 2, dude.

 

Which ends up making tragic sense when you get to Trespasser and learn that he doesn't consider any modern elves "his people." If you're an elf without the same conscious connection to the Fade as the ancients (magical, immortal, semi-empathic and telepathic), then you're not HIS people, you're YOUR people, and he doesn't like YOUR PEOPLE.

 

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Dorian, I can respect the hell out of because he embraces Tevinter as his own, warts and all. His attitude is basically, "They're jerks, but they're my jerks." With Solas, it's, "They're jerks, and that's why I hate them. They're not mine."


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For me Solas was one of the only well written characters. I was actually interested in hearing his background. I thought Dorian would be interesting upon first meeting the character, but then Bio slapped us with the typical daddy issues trope again.

I disagree about Dorian; I thought he was awesome. But it's true that Bioware seems to have a thing for father (or father figure) issues. Look at Mass Effect! Almost everyone has them!



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Soris and Dorian's situation is not the same. Dorian embraces Tevinter as his own, while Solas makes it clear time and time again that the Dalish are NOT his people, and pulls no punches criticizing them, and you by extension. Time after time in the game, if you try to connect with him as a fellow elf, he shuts you down--usually by throwing your Dalish upbringing back in your face. "We are both of the same people, Solas." "The Dalish I met felt... differently on the subject." Try to ask his opinion on elven culture, then he snidely answers, "I thought you might want to tell me your opinion on elven culture. You are Dalish, are you not?" (I still get red thinking that.)

 

 

You throw out your whole point with this example. Solas went to the trouble to reach out to the Dalish because he gives a crap. They're the ones who told him to go fly a kite. This is why he has the attitude when he talks to another Dalish - your Inquisitor. One of the responses you can have in this conversation has him apologizing for having unrealistic expectations of the Dalish. 

 

Solas doesn't see the "modern" elves as "his" people because they're not. They've lost their essential connection to the Fade. They've lost a lot of their history. They've lost a lot of their pride. 

 

But he still sees that they are the remnants of his people and he wants to restore them. He says as much in conversations with Sera and with Mythal. Both are supposed to be out of ear shot of the Inquisitor. 


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Ah, Limpstella draws them so cuuute. You forgot an important panel to that comic:

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It's almost like he's conflicted, like he hasn't made up his mind how to deal with these ancestors cretinous remnants fragmented decendants of his civilization, whom he has, for the most part, accidentally mindblinded.



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Yeah he was pleasent when he goes "perhaps we should plant a tree for the only thing your people got right."

Asking questions is not a debate.

If you think blood magic is bad , disapproval.If you think spirits aren't people, disapproval.Not talking how a huge hypocrite he is , because he lectures you about the personhood of spirits as early as Haven when he doesn't think you're truly a person.

 

You're all over the place with your points.

 

a.) having a sarcastic 'yeah he was pleasant' as an answer to a post where I admit - and mention his writer admitting - that he can be quite harsh kinda makes no sense. Like, what was the point of that?

 

b.) asking questions can totally be part of debate - especially that many things Solas talks about leads to further discussion. Also - who said that debate has to happen with people just approving everything another person says? This is just silly. If I have a debate with, say, a person who believes the Earth is flat, and a person says something I know is completely untrue I can totally disapprove and it will not in any way make me boneheaded. I'm the one with facts behind my back. Same way Solas is on many topics people readily dismiss just by calling them evil or unnatural.

 

c.) him stating that spirits can be people is interesting, but you're missing his point entirely. His point was not who he sees as people, his point is that to be people one doesn't need a physical form. Add to that the fact that eventually, if we befriend him, he changes his position on 'peoplesness' of modern Thedosians. So... sorry, but what hypocrite? Many people can change their opinions during the length of DAI, including Inky. If they don't see spirits as people and at the end of the game they do, thanks to their experience with Cole or Solas, are they hypocrites? That's not a point against SOlas, that's totally a point in favor for him that he can change his position after a relatively sort exposure to mortals, comped to thousands of years spent in solitude and losing himself to his mission. 

 

 

 

If you think his idea about the fade suck , disapproval.

 

That's just laughable. What, was he supposed to approve that you say that Fade sucks? "Oh look, he disapproves when you insult him - he's such a jerk". You're just splitting hair on four with non-arguments like that. 

 

You'd have far more success perhaps if you tried and argue that he shuts people entirely if they said that Fade sucks or just gave them sneering responses when they ask further questions about the Fade or Veil or else. But guess what - that's not what happens! He remains open to discussion or questioning to pretty much very end of the game and if you make a good point - he'd agree.

 

So he never really shuts to a person if they keep disagreeing, even if they insult him, including punching him in the face. Even with an Inky he really dislikes after ToM he says that they may have many disagreements, but he admires Inquisitor's determination.

 

 

The whole time for unknown in game reason you're led to believe Solas has authority about what he is talking about .

The whole thing is highly questionable without metagaming knowledge of him being the Dread Wolf.
 
Unknown reason...? See... this is one of the reasons why I question that you actually played the game at all. Or if you actually paid attention to it.
 
Because when you play it, Solas hardly ever shuts about his long-life studies of the Fade that gave him vast knowledge. And guess what, in-game he keeps proving that to Inquisition - he correctly guesses what happens to the Breach when he approaches Leliana. He saves Inky's life and shows them how to close rifts - like, it's the very first thing we get to know about him. He knows about ancient elvhen artifacts that can strengthen the Veil, and if you activate enough of them we can get a quest during of which Solas correctly places on map the location of a large rift that's about to open. Not to mention that before that he leads them to Skyhold. And during his personal mission we get to see that a call for help of his friend was not imagined at all, and that both of them fluently communicate with one another in Elvhen. What's more, Inquisition can get to documents from Circle of Magi that confirm that the spirit of wisdom is old and powerful, so it's likely a great source of knowledge for anyone, and especially Solas who considers it one of his oldest friends.
 
Considering that in game they've had no reason to suspect that he's an ancient elvhen god-like figure and have no other frame of reference for unique people like him, Inquisition has an ample reason to believe he indeed extrapolated all of it from the Fade; what's more, most of it is actually true in one way or another.
 
So sorry, but... what metagaming?
 

 

About Solas , no he isn't right , he's got opinions , he's right about the ancient world , but the world has changed and he missed a few episodes in between.

 

And when it comes to those 'episodes in between' Solas is totally open to changing his position - otherwise befriending him would be close to impossible. Add to that the fact that none of that 'missing episodes' negates his knowledge on things like spirits or the Fade.

 

 

If for Solas the danger of spirits isn't a problem , well it doesn't apply to current people who aren't thousand of years old mages who happens to be dreamers too.The careless and foolish being drown in a river example he uses is stupid.

It means 99% of people would drown in that river .
But we know he's alright with that.

 

What's stupid here is what you're doing with this argument - you've basically turned into a silly strawman. His wasn't saying it anywhere near the context of what would happen if modern Thedas was suddenly turned Veil-less (and TBH we totally don't know what would really happen, so you're BSing really hard with that 99% people drowning), it was simply to provide a comparison so Inky could understand what he's talking about. I mean, whether the world will ever be like that again doesn't change the fact that it WAS like that before. So his point still stands - plus, his example is not that much different from Vivienne's "magic is dangerous like fire is dangerous - everyone who forgets it gets burned". The difference between him in Vivienne is that he sees both sides of the coin - with proper handing, magic is as useful and beneficial as any tool. In that regard he's no different than very scientifically-minded Dagna.


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You throw out your whole point with this example. Solas went to the trouble to reach out to the Dalish because he gives a crap. They're the ones who told him to go fly a kite. This is why he has the attitude when he talks to another Dalish - your Inquisitor. One of the responses you can have in this conversation has him apologizing for having unrealistic expectations of the Dalish. 

 

Solas doesn't see the "modern" elves as "his" people because they're not. They've lost their essential connection to the Fade. They've lost a lot of their history. They've lost a lot of their pride. 

 

But he still sees that they are the remnants of his people and he wants to restore them. He says as much in conversations with Sera and with Mythal. Both are supposed to be out of ear shot of the Inquisitor. 

 

I mostly agree, but I don't think Sera's conversations are supposed to be happening out of earshot - with few exceptions, like post-credit scene, the game is designed so the story happens within earshot of Inquisitor. They're the central PoV - what happens around them, they're aware of. That certainly applies to banters as well.



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Simple, I understand this guy, about spirits and stuff.

You must have played more games, to understand.



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I disagree about Dorian; I thought he was awesome. But it's true that Bioware seems to have a thing for father (or father figure) issues. Look at Mass Effect! Almost everyone has them!

Relevant: 

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You're all over the place with your points.
 
Unknown reason...? See... this is one of the reasons why I question that you actually played the game at all. Or if you actually paid attention to it.

If I'm so all over the place , don't waste time posting a reply.
And no of course I haven't played the game or paid attention. :rolleyes:

 

Not the first time I get more annoyed than it's worth replying to you.So I'm done.

Yes Solas is great , open minded , blablablablabla , enjoy.



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You throw out your whole point with this example. Solas went to the trouble to reach out to the Dalish because he gives a crap. They're the ones who told him to go fly a kite. This is why he has the attitude when he talks to another Dalish - your Inquisitor. One of the responses you can have in this conversation has him apologizing for having unrealistic expectations of the Dalish. 

 

Solas doesn't see the "modern" elves as "his" people because they're not. They've lost their essential connection to the Fade. They've lost a lot of their history. They've lost a lot of their pride. 

 

But he still sees that they are the remnants of his people and he wants to restore them. He says as much in conversations with Sera and with Mythal. Both are supposed to be out of ear shot of the Inquisitor. 

 

My point was that Dorian's feelings toward Tevinter and Solas' feelings toward the Dalish/modern elves aren't the same. Dorian makes it clear that he considers Tevinter his homeland and its people his people, while Solas can't make it any clearer to Lavellan that the Dalish and modern elves are "NOT MY PEOPLE!"

 

Maybe he sees them as remnants of his people who can become whole again by restoring their connection to the Fade, but he has to change them to make that happen. Until he changes them, they're not his people.

 

I'm also just annoyed by the irony of Solas's (and Sera's) hypocrisy regarding the Dalish.

 

Solas and Sera: The Dalish are so stuck up and closed-minded! They all think only elves like them are "true elves."

Lavellan (potentially): "We are both of the same people, Solas." "It's just nice meeting another elf like me."

Solas and Sera: WE'RE NOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE! / I'M NOT AN ELF LIKE YOU!

Solas: I know what True Elves are, and the Dalish aren't it. I'll bet you're also itching to tell me what being a true elf is.

Sera: You 'elfy elves' are all the same! You're all stuck up and closed-minded and think all elves not like you suck; the only way you can be open-minded or accepting of others is to reject everything elfy, like me!

Lavellan: Wow, I'M the one stuck up and closed-minded just for being Dalish? Okay then. You two showed me. Your non-judgmental and non-stereotyping attitudes have shamed me. Your open-mindedness and acceptance of elves not like yourselves has totally shown me the error of my ways. I'll think twice before I act so elitist and exclusionist as to embrace elves not of my clan in the future.

 

Ah, Limpstella draws them so cuuute. You forgot an important panel to that comic:

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It's almost like he's conflicted, like he hasn't made up his mind how to deal with these ancestors of his civilization, whom he has, for the most part, accidentally mindblinded.

 

Bolded: I think you mean descendants.

 

Actually, thank you for showing me the first half of this comic. I've been trying to find it without success. (Dang it, Pinterest.)


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Oh, it's all the mystique of the tragic love affair. He loves you! But he can't be with you! But he loves you! But he's plotting to destroy Thedas! BUT HE LOVES YOU!

 

While I understand it, I can only shake my head at the Solas fangirls who believe they can still save him. :lol:

 

And I can only shake my head at dismissing people interested with complex character or intriguing potential storylines or arcs or plot points as a case of fangirlism. It's almost Godwin's Law 2.0 at this point - just slap that 'fangirl' label and leave it at that :rolleyes:! I mean, it's not like accusing people of fanboyism or fangirlism is one of Internet's most favorite non-arguments ever, rife over here in BSN as well...

 

Not to mention that there's are plethora of people here, or reddit or other forums with varying levels of approval for Solas, even those who claim that they don't much like him, or never romanced him, but will still attempt to save him. The game itself also doesn't just present the option to redeem him to romanced Lavellans. Heck, every Inky with approval level with Solas that is above 0 has a chance to save him, and I'm pretty sure BW wouldn't present us with such option if the path of redemption was just added there for sh*ts and giggles. 

 

So no hon - you actually don't seem to understand. No, it's not all the mystique of tragic romance; that's merely a cherry on top of already delicious cake. Solas would remain an intriguing character with or without romance arc, simply for the conflict he's already in and possibility of presenting a lot of potential conflict to either Inky or PC in DA4 game, no matter if Quizzies chose to redeem or stop him at all costs. As an aspiring storyteller myself, I can't do anything other than approve.


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