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[Addictress]

THAT WAS MY FEAR
That actually I was not better than a Twilight fangirl oh god.

I had to step back!

Analyze what's going on!

Wait, is....is this Solasmance fascination as low-class as Twilight? IS IT...FU**...

no, no. It's not. Look at the lore and also my appreciation of the prior two games which didn't have Solas. And my delight in customizing combat preferences in DA:O and DA2.

My lust for Solas is high-class, and superior to Twilight fangirlism. I am validated!!!

[mrs_anomaly]

THAT WAS MY FEAR
That actually I was not better than a Twilight fangirl oh god.

I had to step back!

Analyze what's going on!

Wait, is....is this Solasmance fascination as low-class as Twilight? IS IT...FU**...

no, no. It's not. Look at the lore and also my appreciation of the prior two games which didn't have Solas. And my delight in customizing combat preferences in DA:O and DA2.

My lust for Solas is high-class, and superior to Twilight fangirlism. I am validated!!!

 

I don't really care if someone accuses me of being a Twilight fangirl type for enjoying the Solas romance. *gives zero f's*  There are tons of things that others enjoy (including men) that are just as ridiculous. 

 

It's ok to enjoy something immensely. IT IS OK. 

 

As long as it isn't preventing real relationships or something it's all A Ok in my book. Come at me bro. 

[maia0407]

I don't really care if someone accuses me of being a Twilight fangirl type for enjoying the Solas romance. *gives zero f's*  There are tons of things that others enjoy (including men) that are just as ridiculous. 
 
It's ok to enjoy something immensely. IT IS OK. 
 
As long as it isn't preventing real relationships or something it's all A Ok in my book. Come at me bro. 

Yeah, when someone dismisses my preferences because it's associated with girly stuff I just want to send them outside to play in traffic.

[Addictress]

Well I'm certainly bothered with being associated with Twilightism. I dismiss and look down on twilightism and, not being a hypocrite, I want to ensure I am not obligated to dismiss myself. I would be unhappy if I failed myself.

[maia0407]

Well I'm certainly bothered with being associated with Twilightism. I dismiss and look down on twilightism and, not being a hypocrite, I want to ensure I am not obligated to dismiss myself. I would be unhappy if I failed myself.

Twilight was way past my time so I can't really give an objective opinion on it. My 16 yo niece loves it and she's smart and kickass. But hey, I liked stuff like Sweet Valley High as well as astronomy and history books as a tween. Oh, oh, I also loved the old Nancy Drew books. Don't anyone make fun of 'The Secret of the Old Clock'!

[mrs_anomaly]

Well I'm certainly bothered with being associated with Twilightism. I dismiss and look down on twilightism and, not being a hypocrite, I want to ensure I am not obligated to dismiss myself. I would be unhappy if I failed myself.

 

 

Give yourself a break maybe? 

 

It isn't the end of the world if you enjoy something which isn't reflective of your intelligence per se. 

[Abyss108]

As far as I'm concerned, the Solas romance is Twilight done right, and the Iron Bull romance is 50 Shades done right. Same basic premise, but with none of the glorifying abusive relationships crap (also none of the terrible writing, but I class that as secondary to the whole glorifying abuse thing).

 

The only people who think they are the same are the people who have a very simplistic view of literature and think that a piece of work featuring a character making a bad choice is the same as glorifying that choice, or the people who just dismiss them as just being sexy men for girls whilst ignoring the actual content. 

 

I can safely ignore both groups.

[maia0407]

Give yourself a break maybe? 
 
It isn't the end of the world if you enjoy something which isn't reflective of your intelligence per se.

There was a time I would only put my 'intelligent' reads on my Goodreads bookshelf. I proudly showed all the classics, literary prize winners, science, history and philosophy etc books that I read. And then one day I looked over that list and hated that it looked pretentious and didn't reflect the entirety of my tastes. So, yeah, I enjoy a good intellectual read and I also like cheesy urban fantasy and historical bodice rippers. So up they went on my goodreads list. If anybody thinks less of me for liking my cheesy reading as well, they can **** right off!

[mrs_anomaly]

There was a time I would only put my 'intelligent' reads on my Goodreads bookshelf. I proudly showed all the classics, literary prize winners, science, history and philosophy etc books that I read. And then one day I looked over that list and hated that it looked pretentious and didn't reflect the entirety of my tastes. So, yeah, I enjoy a good intellectual read and I also like cheesy urban fantasy and historical bodice rippers. So up they went on my goodreads list. If anybody thinks less of me for liking my cheesy reading as well, they can **** right off!

 Yeah I'm on GR also- and trash has it's place. It always has. I don't need to prove to anyone that I'm capable of reading intellectually challenging material. Maybe when I was 19 I felt that way. Being 40 is great.   

[maia0407]

Yeah I'm on GR also- and trash has it's place. It always has. I don't need to prove to anyone that I'm capable of reading intellectually challenging material. Maybe when I was 19 I felt that way. Being 40 is great.   

Yeah, your perspective does seem to change the older you get. 39 here!

[dawnstone]

 Yeah I'm on GR also- and trash has it's place. It always has. I don't need to prove to anyone that I'm capable of reading intellectually challenging material. Maybe when I was 19 I felt that way. Being 40 is great.   

*high-five* I just turned 40 myself. I read pretty much everything, I'm omnivorous when comes to books, and smut definitely has its place. Its sexy, sexy, place.

[Baboontje]

When the first Twilight movie launched, I had just turned 19 a few days prior. I loved it and I still occassionally watch the movies or read the books. If that makes me a Twilightfangirl then so be it. I don't care. It's not like I need anyone else telling me what is "appropriate" or "cool" to like. Same holds true for romancing Solas. I just love it.

And in my opinion, if people bash others for whatever it is they like, they need to take a good look at themselves and find a hobby or whatever.

[Medhia_Nox]

 Yeah I'm on GR also- and trash has it's place. It always has. I don't need to prove to anyone that I'm capable of reading intellectually challenging material. Maybe when I was 19 I felt that way. Being 40 is great.   

 

Well said - it's doubly preposterous to feel like you need to prove anything to the Internet.  

 

Read (watch, play, romance, etc. etc.) what you enjoy, who cares who hates it.  

[midnight tea]

Having or showing faulty judgment or reasoning is not what it state and describe the nature,scope and meaning of Fen'harel.

Solas decided to follow his own path and all of his actions were not the fruit of a mistake they were all premeditated with full awareness and knowledge of all the risks and likely  consequences.

 

Not really sure what you're trying to say here - that with full awareness he's made a naive (as you described it before) mistake?

 

Also, your bizarre assessment is pretty much straightforwardly denied by Solas, both in base game and in Trespasser - he feels he's made countless mistakes, or what he feels are mistakes, during his monumental struggles against Evanuris, Blight and whatever else there is, just to give the world a chance. Heck, now he's on a path of trying to fix his biggest mistake yet (as much as it was necessary at a time) and that is the Veil.

[BansheeOwnage]

I've always been a sucker for the handsome intellectual though: Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard, Carl Sagan, young Richard Dawkins before he turned into a blathering jerk. I thought bald tortured Zathrian from Origins was cute as well and I really liked the bald doctor that we talked with at the hospital in ME3. I dunno, some bald guys are really cute for some reason.

 

[mrs_anomaly]

Omg didn't see Maia mention Zathrian...yiisssssss. 

[Secret Rare]

Not really sure what you're trying to say here - that with full awareness he's made a naive (as you described it before) mistake?

 

Also, your bizarre assessment is pretty much straightforwardly denied by Solas, both in base game and in Trespasser - he feels he's made countless mistakes, or what he feels are mistakes, during his monumental struggles against Evanuris, Blight and whatever else there is, just to give the world a chance. Heck, now he's on a path of trying to fix his biggest mistake yet (as much as it was necessary at a time) and that is the Veil.

Every time Solas made a choice he predicted the consequences but proceeded the same.

He knew the consequences of the veil yet he raised it,he knew the consequences of the activation of the Orb yet he gave that to a mage who had the power to unlock it,he know the consequences of removing the veil yet he want to remove it.

Of what you are talking about?You're trying to portray Solas as someone who is doing mistakes when all of his actions were premeditated choices.

[Almostfaceman]

He knew the consequences of the veil yet he raised it,

 

Source? 

[mrs_anomaly]

 

Every time Solas made a choice he predicted the consequences but proceeded the same.

He knew the consequences of the veil yet he raised it,he knew the consequences of the activation of the Orb yet he gave that to a mage who had the power to unlock it,he know the consequences of removing the veil yet he want to remove it.

Of what you are talking about?You're trying to portray Solas as someone who is doing mistakes when all of his actions were premeditated choices.

 

 

 

Since when considering something prior to doing it means it is not a mistake? I'm just curious about how that works. 

[Illyria]

 

Every time Solas made a choice he predicted the consequences but proceeded the same.

He knew the consequences of the veil yet he raised it,he knew the consequences of the activation of the Orb yet he gave that to a mage who had the power to unlock it,he know the consequences of removing the veil yet he want to remove it.

Of what you are talking about?You're trying to portray Solas as someone who is doing mistakes when all of his actions were premeditated choices.

 

 

Uhh... no?

 

He wanted to save his people, so he created the Veil.  He had no idea what would happen.

 

He wanted to power up his orb and he had no idea Coryfish could actually unlock it.

[midnight tea]

 

Every time Solas made a choice he predicted the consequences but proceeded the same.

He knew the consequences of the veil yet he raised it,he knew the consequences of the activation of the Orb yet he gave that to a mage who had the power to unlock it,he know the consequences of removing the veil yet he want to remove it.

Of what you are talking about?You're trying to portray Solas as someone who is doing mistakes when all of his actions were premeditated choices.

 

 

Er, no, I did not. You might think that I did because you appear to have this strange black-and-white mindset where a person either has to be doing mistakes and be clueless, or do things with full premeditation, no matter how enormous or rife with unforeseeable consequences the the task is, which is certainly a problem Solas ran into more than a few times.

 

Sorry, that's not how it works. Not much in real life, nor in the world of Thedas. Like... you're making it sound as if Solas created the Veil for the lulz, or perhaps he woke one day and decided that he wants the world without much magic in it. But that's NOT what happened - we can even ask about it during Trespasser and he tells us that every alternative he could think of was worse and that if he hadn't done what he did the Evanuris would destroy the whole world. It's more than likely that he was fully aware that creating the Veil would have its grave consequences - but that doesn't mean he was able to foresee everything, to foresee perhaps where mortals will take the world themselves, or maybe that they'd be able to unlock the Black City, or whatever else there was for him to eventually come to the conclusion that the Veil does more harm than good for people (and spirits?) in the long run. Hence he tries to tear it down now.

 

As for Corypheus, we only know that he expected for the explosion to kill whoever opens it, but you can't say with full certainty that he expected anything of the magnitude of explosion that wiped the Conclave - *especially* that it seems that the explosion was that huge because Inky managed to disrupt the ritual. Solas himself called the whole event an accident, like it was entirely not what was supposed to happen (and joined Inquisition to deal with it, despite huge personal risks). And why would it? You don't really need to explode a mountain to kill Corypheus (he was killed by Hawke and we see him being killed by a much smaller explosion in front of ToM), and nobody at that time expected that he could body-hop.

 

In any case - if Solas thought that Cory is simply a powerful Tevinter magister leading the Venatori, heck - even if he knew that the guy is Blighted - exploding a supremacist group bent on eventually conquering the world in the name of Imperium or Elder One actually sounds like a pretty nifty idea; a two birds with one stone scenario where he eliminates a dangerous individual and large, powerful group of mages who could either potentially meddle with his plans OR bring more chaos before he himself proceeded with his own plans AND get his orb opened. What he didn't, or perhaps couldn't foresee, was Corypheus' immortality - and neither of them could have realistically foreseen future Inquisitor interrupting the ritual (or surviving the explosion, despite not being immortal).

[sim-ran]

Gaider's post was full of win and my respect for him shot through the roof after reading it. I was sad when he moved to the secret IP and may or may not have gotten dust in my eyes when he went to Beamdog.

Entertainment that is targeted for women does tend to have the stigma of being frivolous and not serious business like male targeted entertainment. Typical comic book offerings are superior to Twilight, right?

I really enjoyed Solas both as a friend and as a romance. I won't defend my reasons for liking him here as they have already been discussed to death. But, anyone that asserts that I can only like Solas for inferior "fangirl" reasons is an asshat, bless their heart.

What? That post is garbage!

People hate on Twilight because it's terrible. A lot more people are okay with the Hunger Games and that's also for teen girls. Why? Becuase it's not terrible. Yes it has lot of flaws, and the 2nd movie is kinda rubbish, but there's some good stuff in there (mostly Jennifer Laurence's performance).

[maia0407]

What? That post is garbage!
People hate on Twilight because it's terrible. A lot more people are okay with the Hunger Games and that's also for teen girls. Why? Becuase it's not terrible. Yes it has lot of flaws, and the 2nd movie is kinda rubbish, but there's some good stuff in there (mostly Jennifer Laurence's performance).

You missed the entire point of Gaiders post and of my post if you think we're talking about the quality of Twilight. Go reread the posts and see if you can find the actual point being made. At this stage it's getting a bit tiring reiterating the same stuff for those that can't or won't keep up.

[Secret Rare]

Er, no, I did not. You might think that I did because you appear to have this strange black-and-white mindset where a person either has to be doing mistakes and be clueless, or do things with full premeditation, no matter how enormous or rife with unforeseeable consequences the the task is, which is certainly a problem Solas ran into more than a few times.

 

 

I'm arousing in curiosity  while holding and catching my attention on one of the most infamous stigma often cast on the internet "black & white"  anthem of  disdain.

I have to proof nothing on the internet about my own sensitivity,therefore  thy patronizing judgments are wrapped by my aloofness. 

 

 

Sorry, that's not how it works. Not much in real life, nor in the world of Thedas. Like... you're making it sound as if Solas created the Veil for the lulz, or perhaps he woke one day and decided that he wants the world without much magic in it. But that's NOT what happened - we can even ask about it during Trespasser and he tells us that every alternative he could think of was worse and that if he hadn't done what he did the Evanuris would destroy the whole world. It's more than likely that he was fully aware that creating the Veil would have its grave consequences - but that doesn't mean he was able to foresee everything, to foresee perhaps where mortals will take the world themselves, or maybe that they'd be able to unlock the Black City, or whatever else there was for him to eventually come to the conclusion that the Veil does more harm than good for people (and spirits?) in the long run. Hence he tries to tear it down now.

 

 

 Are you trying to define  reality?

Whatever meaning it has for you it applies only for you,mind you this is not the  " black & white" stigma just point out that you can't define meaning.

I'm quite sure that i never had the chance to speak with the Evanuris to understand what they were doing when Solas erected the veil,nor Mythal and Fen'Harel are entitled to any credibility on the matter since they are mostly pushing their own perspective.

 

 

 

As for Corypheus, we only know that he expected for the explosion to kill whoever opens it, but you can't say with full certainty that he expected anything of the magnitude of explosion that wiped the Conclave - *especially* that it seems that the explosion was that huge because Inky managed to disrupt the ritual. Solas himself called the whole event an accident, like it was entirely not what was supposed to happen (and joined Inquisition to deal with it, despite huge personal risks). And why would it? You don't really need to explode a mountain to kill Corypheus (he was killed by Hawke and we see him being killed by a much smaller explosion in front of ToM), and nobody at that time expected that he could body-hop.

 

 

As i recall i made an argumentative point about the Somnaborium and its inherent characteristics of being a magical bomb upon activation and how Solas while perfectly aware of everything gave that to Sethius Amladaris to premeditatively kill him and all the potential casualties that would have occurred.

Are you trying to imply that Solas doesn't know how his own Orb operate?This is what i would define as arguing for the sake of arguing,clutching at straws.

 

 even if he knew that the guy is Blighted - exploding a supremacist group bent on eventually conquering the world in the name of Imperium or Elder One actually sounds like a pretty nifty idea; a two birds with one stones scenario where he eliminates a dangerous individual and large, powerful group of mages who could either potentially meddle with his plans OR bring more chaos before he himself proceeded with his own plans AND get his orb opened. What he didn't, or perhaps couldn't foresee, was Corypheus' immortality - and neither of them could have realistically foreseen future Inquisitor interrupting the ritual (or surviving the explosion, despite not being immortal).

Fascinating so now you are admitting that he may had knew the consequences but he was doing it to kill the evil venatori so that he could have destroyed the world later in peace.How ironic is really Corypheus the bad guy here?

 

As bizarre as it may seems i love characters like Solas since they evoke an inner desire of revenge tied with the deepest darkness onto me but sadly those kind of characters are mostly protected by the writers.

[Secret Rare]

Uhh... no?

 

He wanted to save his people, so he created the Veil.  He had no idea what would happen.

 

He wanted to power up his orb and he had no idea Coryfish could actually unlock it.

I think this is pure nonsense especially point number two,he just crossed his fingers and gave it to Corypheus  ok...