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[myahele]

We also have to consider if Thedas is even capable of recreating something similar to what Solas did. Let alone find a way to bind him and/or kill him.

 

Assuming the next protagonist is somehow given the power to rival an Evanuris' power, there there's not much of an option. Binding him (if that's even possible with current Thedosian magic) kinda like the Pride Demon prison that Corypheus used or similar how Imshael were sealed seem to be the closest thing Thedosians might be capable of. Even then it's temporary.

[Secret Rare]

How is that nonsense? That is paraphrasing precisely what Solas explains to us in Trespasser about why he gave Cory the orb.

Solas decided to allow to Corypheus to find his magical globe because he was the only candidate he found that had the powers to unlock it.

Say that Solas did not know for sure that Corypheus was able to unlock it is false because if he had doubts about it he would have not allowed him to find it.

 

 

...So you say in overly-flowery, patronizing tone   So much for "aloofness".

 

You know, if you don't want to get hit by "black-and-white stigma", don't make statements that sound explicitly black-and-white.

 

 

 

 

It's more likely that you didn't even understood what i meant.

Whenever i'm defined to be something by those who don't even know me it doesn't matter,in whatever way  i see a character's actions is valid for my perspective no matter what kind of stigma you wish to see upon  me.

 

 

 

What I'm trying to have here is a coherent discussion. I'm not entirely sure you're interested with that, seeing that you prefer to address strawmen rather than my actual points. We're not really going to get anywhere if you start throwing non-sequiturs like 'are you trying to define reality?' or "you can't define meaning".

 

And FYI yes - for the sake of discussion we have to at least attempt to try and define things to have a similar frame of reference to... you know... actually be able to discuss things! Otherwise any dialogue, here or anywhere else, would be pointless.

 

Also - whether you choose to believe Solas or Flemeth or not doesn't change the fact that him creating the Veil wasn't just a random idea he had the other day, but what he believed was a way of preventing Evanuris of doing something terrible after they've killed Mythal. Whether you believe him or not, you can't claim that Solas had created the Veil because he really wanted it or something; it was a last ditch effort to save the world, not some sort of pet project he thought would improve it and was fully aware - or accepting - of consequences it had for the world.

 

 

 

Non sequiturs?What are you trying to imply here?

I completely refused  the vision you presented about the character and in order to dismiss what i said you called into question  a stigma, this imply an attempt to define meaning since it is an evident stigma to say "you're wrong".

Solas created the veil because he did wanted the Evanuris locked away from the empire,thus to me means that he premeditated its creation to defeat them while aware of some of the consequences,that it was a ditch effort to save the world is not something that you can prove.

 

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Oy, hon, you're all over the place. Your previous point about Somnaborium was that Solas "lost it in most naive way possible" and now you seem to be trying to argue something else - that it was a fully premeditated act that was supposed to kill people.

 

Like... you see the dissonance here? We're going farther and farther away from original point.

 

 

And I was the one with black and white glasses?

Solas premeditated to use the Orb for a purpose and that he failed does not mean that the action was not premeditated,where is the dissonance?

You are the only one who  seem to have interpreted what i said as "Solas premeditated everything thus he cannot fail." and discussed about that imaginary  perception

 

 

 

Also - if you're going as far as strawmanning me into "trying to imply that Solas doesn't know how the orb operates" (which I most obviously did not) you can't then claim that it's I that am grasping at straws here. 

 

 

 

"As for Corypheus, we only know that he expected for the explosion to kill whoever opens it, but you can't say with full certainty that he expected anything of the magnitude of explosion that wiped the Conclave "

 

 

 

Wasn't the statement above yours? Don't  you even remember what you say?

It can be perceived as someone who is implying that Solas doesn't know what kind of result the Orb will provoke when unlocked thus as someone who is implying that Solas doesn't know how his own Orb  work.

 

 

 

 

[midnight tea]

I wonder if the gameplan was that Solas - to escape - would do to himself what he did to all of the elves. It all seems like, basically, the whole issue with the Veil is that Solas did to all the world what he only wanted to do to the Evanuris (and possibly himself). He wanted to trap them (or separate them from their power). So we have two theories:

 

1. Veil is a trap for the Evanuris, mean to separate them from their immortality and lock them away ala the Fade. That doesn't quite work, though, because the Fade isn't locked away - not really - and neither are the spirits.

2. The Veil is a side effect of what Solas did to the Evanuris - they're trapped elsewhere. The Fade - and everything getting split into "two" - is actually the wolf chewing his leg part - locking away your immortality was the escape plan he had for himself, but it went wrong. Which makes sense in a way, because it explains why he was "locked away" in the Fade for so long, with the rest of the spirits.

 

Well, the bit where Cole mentions that "he chewed his leg off to escape the trap" also mentions that "he broke the dreams to stop the old dreams from waking"... Something tells me this wasn't just about Evanuris, but possibly something primordial - probably the Blight?

 

It would also explain why Solas appears to be so terrified of it and calls it (in conversation prior to Adamant) "the real problem". He also says that one can't smugly outsmart the Blight and mentions that "the fools who first unleashed it on the world thought they are unlocking the ultimate power"... which, realistically, couldn't have been the Magisters?

Corypheus mentions that they have found the darkness in Golden City, but it was sort of an accidental discovery - they didn't organize a trip through the Fade to unlock unknown powers, but were on a pilgrimage from their gods.... So taking that into consideration, as well as myths that survived that mention Andruil getting mad from something lurking in the Void and "howling things meant to be forgotten" it's not that hard to reach a conclusion that it's possible that the problem wasn't the Evanuris per se, but the fact that they wanted to unleash something terrible on the world, mistaking it perhaps as source of great power.

 

Hard to tell what effect it would have, but we do know that the Blight turns everyone into pretty much a mindless drone. I'd also like to mention curious things that happened to Warden mages who went through some of the ritual that bound them to Corypheus - Leliana mentions prior to Adamant that while the non-mage Wardens could be convinced to abandon their mission, mage Wardens are slaves to Corypheus and nothing can really be done about that; what's more we see them being under utter control of Erimond doing the ritual in Western Approach, with their eyes glowing red...

 

... Sorta makes me wonder if there's something to the open connection to the Fade that makes people more vulnerable not just to possession, but to mind control (possibly how Evanuris enslaved most population?) and the only way to prevent Evanuris from controlling anyone and effectively roam the world was 'damping' that channel through the Fade that the Evanuris used to influence everyone en masse and perhaps tried to boost with power of the Blight.

 

 

There's also another thing - Weekes mentions that the basis for Solas character was D. Who. He's made that comparisons even before that recent interview, calling Solas the "elven Timelord". Now, I don't know much about Dr. Who, but I was curious about the connection, so I figured I might as weell read a wioki or two about him... and the only connection that really seems to stick (since he doens't really time-travel in a police box.. as far as we know ) is that Doctor was the last of his kind, after he destroy his own race in a desperate attempt to prevent them from doing something horrible, if I'm not mistaken.

[Medhia_Nox]

Heh... Dr. Who loves humanity - and believes his own race to be completely and utterly wrong.  He would never - ever - bring back the Timelords at the cost of the universe. 

 

Dr. Who is a messianic figure (a secular messianic figure)... yes, there are undertones of a megalomaniac - because of his power, he is absolutely capable of being the monster Solas is... if that's what Weekes means - but Dr. Who never abandons his love of life and the universe for his own selfish endeavors. 

[midnight tea]

Heh... Dr. Who loves humanity - and believes his own race to be completely and utterly wrong.  He would never - ever - bring back the Timelords at the cost of the universe. 

 

Dr. Who is a messianic figure (a secular messianic figure)... yes, there are undertones of a megalomaniac - because of his power, he is absolutely capable of being the monster Solas is... if that's what Weekes means - but Dr. Who never abandons his love of life and the universe for his own selfish endeavors. 

 

You only assume that he does everything "for his own selfish endeavors", while there's ample evidence in the story itself that it's way more complicated. And sadly for you Weekes readily compares Solas to Dr. Who and keeps underlining both in many reviews, panels and tweets that Solas does a lot what he does and is so tragic precisely becase he CARES. About everything - and if not everything than certainly far more than you try to make it seem. He just happens to be a character in a very messed up situation that forces him to choose between one or another.

[Medhia_Nox]

@midnight tea:  Has it ever occurred to you Solas might be exactly what I see?  I don't think it has ever even entered your mind he's not the tragic figure you need him to be.  You've decided - and you've combed the game for concepts you believe support your claims.

 

We'll see when the time comes to introduce the rest of Solas' story.  

 

As for Mr. Weekes - I don't care about his comparisons much.  He has authority on Solas - but not on Dr. Who.  I'd like to refute him about his knowledge of Dr. Who if he thinks Solas has a lot of comparisons to him.

 

Dr. Who maintains his humanity by drawing people closer to him.  He celebrates life... one of his most favorite taglines is:  "Today, EVERYBODY lives!"  

 

Here are some things that are similar... and sadly, to me they don't "make Dr. Who". 

 

- He's fascinated by the universe

- He's ancient

- He's from an alien race

- He's powerful 

- He's intelligent

- Oh, and:  "The Doctor always lies." 

 

If Weekes ever wrote Solas' story for Dr. Who... a great many Whovians would not recognize their beloved character (unless it was one of Dr. Who's wackier "What if" stories).  

[Abyss108]

 

- He's fascinated by the universe

- He's ancient

- He's from an alien spirit race

- He's powerful 

- He's intelligent

- Oh, and:  "The Doctor Solas always lies." 

 

 

 

That sounds like a lot of similarities to me and they all sound pretty major.

[Lady Luminous]

@midnight tea:  Has it ever occurred to you Solas might be exactly what I see?  I don't think it has ever even entered your mind he's not the tragic figure you need him to be.  You've decided - and you've combed the game for concepts you believe support your claims.

 

We'll see when the time comes to introduce the rest of Solas' story.  

 

As for Mr. Weekes - I don't care about his comparisons much.  He has authority on Solas - but not on Dr. Who.  I'd like to refute him about his knowledge of Dr. Who if he thinks Solas has a lot of comparisons to him.

 

Dr. Who maintains his humanity by drawing people closer to him.  He celebrates life... one of his most favorite taglines is:  "Today, EVERYBODY lives!"  

 

Here are some things that are similar... and sadly, to me they don't "make Dr. Who". 

 

- He's fascinated by the universe

- He's ancient

- He's from an alien race

- He's powerful 

- He's intelligent

- Oh, and:  "The Doctor always lies." 

 

If Weekes ever wrote Solas' story for Dr. Who... a great many Whovians would not recognize their beloved character (unless it was one of Dr. Who's wackier "What if" stories).  

 

I'm sorry, maybe this is because I don't actually watch Dr. Who, but isn't that a rather large list of similarities?

[Abyss108]

Dr. Who maintains his humanity by drawing people closer to him.  

 

And that's the issue with Solas. He hasn't had that. He's been alone in the Fade for thousands of years, and has never had significant interaction with people. Solas is what the Doctor would be, if the Doctor hadn't had humanity.

[midnight tea]

And that's the issue with Solas. He hasn't had that. He's been alone in the Fade for thousands of years, and has never had significant interaction with people. Solas is what the Doctor would be, if the Doctor hadn't had humanity.

 

...And only after a year or two among them he has a high chance to start and caring about them as well. Heck, even in Hinterlands we can be showered by his approval if only we show that we care about people.

 

That and let's add the fact that Solas isn't just sacrificing one lone planet or one, even great, civilization with or without whom humans seem to do alright, as they're living safely in other parts of the universe. AFAIK, the universe is more or less the same with or without Time Lords. But what Solas did to save Thedas affected it deeply - he saved the world by sacrificing Elvenhan, but at the very same time he was forced to sacrifice something that he deems essential for people and the world. In other words, his situation appears to be somewhat more complicated.

[Illyria]

 

Solas decided to allow to Corypheus to find his magical globe because he was the only candidate he found that had the powers to unlock it.

Say that Solas did not know for sure that Corypheus was able to unlock it is false because if he had doubts about it he would have not allowed him to find it.

 

 

Dude, I paraphrased the explaination that Solas gives during Trespasser.

[midnight tea]

@midnight tea:  Has it ever occurred to you Solas might be exactly what I see?  I don't think it has ever even entered your mind he's not the tragic figure you need him to be.  You've decided - and you've combed the game for concepts you believe support your claims.

 

Huh, projection again. Like, you've described yourself to a T. No sense of self-awareness in this regard, I see.

 

 

We'll see when the time comes to introduce the rest of Solas' story.  

 

As for Mr. Weekes - I don't care about his comparisons much.  He has authority on Solas - but not on Dr. Who.  I'd like to refute him about his knowledge of Dr. Who if he thinks Solas has a lot of comparisons to him.

 

Dr. Who maintains his humanity by drawing people closer to him.  He celebrates life... one of his most favorite taglines is:  "Today, EVERYBODY lives!"  

 

Oh I agree that we'll yet see where the rest of the story goes. Unlike you, I'm fully prepared it can go both ways - or perhaps even ways I can't easily predict, depending where BW takes the story. You however don't be surprised if at the end of DA4 (or 5 or 6, who knows) Solas will be the one to yell "today everybody lives"

 

As for your 'refuting' Weekes' knowledge about Dr. Who I sort of have a suspicion that it'd go about the same as discussing Solas here - you just vehemently denying that anyone else's interpretation of Dr. Who is more accurate than yours. Now, I won't be discussing Dr. Who much, since I'm not a Whovian, but Weekes seems to be quite a fan of the show.

 

With that said - nobody said that Solas is an exact copy of Dr. Who (we get to the situation with Prometheus again, where you're claiming that since Solas ain't an exact copy of what you know about Prometheus he can't be inspired by him). Solas is his own thing, though there are undeniably parallels between them (which Weekes freely admits) both in terms of similarities in past history *as well as* caring. I wonder though has it ever occurred to you that perhaps instead of twisting Dr. Who to a monster you make Solas to be, Weekes simply put him in more of a twisted situation once can't get away from clean, no matter how hard they try?

[Xerrai]

@midnight tea:  Has it ever occurred to you Solas might be exactly what I see?  I don't think it has ever even entered your mind he's not the tragic figure you need him to be.  You've decided - and you've combed the game for concepts you believe support your claims.

But that's....exactly what you are doing too, you know.

You've decided, and you've combed the game for concepts that support your claims.

 

The only differences is what you and @midnight tea see, even though you are looking at the same subject (Solas).

[midnight tea]

But that's....exactly what you are doing too, you know.

You've decided, and you've combed the game for concepts that support your claims.

 

The only differences is what you and @midnight tea see, even though you are looking at the same subject (Solas).

 

Yup, I have no problem admitting that for me Solas simply is more intriguing when he's not interpreted as lying scoundrel. With that said I am reasonably certain that my outlook is supported by in-game hints or facts, and I don't think I'm the only one. But... since the problem is that we've both played the same game yet interpret the same character differently, I figured we may try and reach for what his writer has to say about his own creation. And he certainly doesn't seem to be bent on portraying him as a lying scoundrel bent on world destruction, but a wonderfully complex character he's put in a messy situation and has a deep sympathy for.

[Illyria]

@midnight tea:  Has it ever occurred to you Solas might be exactly what I see?  I don't think it has ever even entered your mind he's not the tragic figure you need him to be.  You've decided - and you've combed the game for concepts you believe support your claims.

 

We'll see when the time comes to introduce the rest of Solas' story.  

 

As for Mr. Weekes - I don't care about his comparisons much.  He has authority on Solas - but not on Dr. Who.  I'd like to refute him about his knowledge of Dr. Who if he thinks Solas has a lot of comparisons to him.

 

Dr. Who maintains his humanity by drawing people closer to him.  He celebrates life... one of his most favorite taglines is:  "Today, EVERYBODY lives!"  

 

Here are some things that are similar... and sadly, to me they don't "make Dr. Who". 

 

- He's fascinated by the universe

- He's ancient

- He's from an alien race

- He's powerful 

- He's intelligent

- Oh, and:  "The Doctor always lies." 

 

If Weekes ever wrote Solas' story for Dr. Who... a great many Whovians would not recognize their beloved character (unless it was one of Dr. Who's wackier "What if" stories).  

 

I have no idea how long you've been a fan but I can guarantee - I've been one longer.

 

I have seen every story from 100000 BC through to Last Christmas and delved deep into the EU.  I don't normally play the 'I'm a bigger fan' card since that's a very gatekeeping thing to do, but you said 'a great many Whovians' and I am here to refute the hell out of that.

 

There is a lot to compare between Solas and the Doctor, particually his nastier moments as Time Lord Victorious (which shows the lengths someone can go to while still believing they are a hero).  There's also the sometimes cruel chessmaster of the McCoy era - a man who clearly cared for Ace but was also willing to put here through hell for the 'greater good'.

 

Everybody lives?  That was first said in 2005.  A long way from the man who once tried to bash a man's head in because he got in the way.

[Medhia_Nox]

But that's....exactly what you are doing too, you know.

You've decided, and you've combed the game for concepts that support your claims.

 

The only differences is what you and @midnight tea see, even though you are looking at the same subject (Solas).

 

You won't find me disagreeing. 

 

Back at the beginning of this thread I expressed confusion about Solas and this midnight tea person decided it was because I "didn't get him" - when really it was fans I "didn't get" but was trying to understand - so, yeah, conversation is beyond moot with "fans".

 

And there is a difference, but it's not one that has any merit among fans - I know that my decision is made and that it may be wrong.  I know that I might not see something correctly - or that my view is based more on personal bias than on "factual" account of what's presented in game. 

 

IF Solas is presented in a way these fans do not like... words like "retcon" or "bad writing" will be bantered about instead of "well, I really didn't see him this way."

 

I'm sorry, maybe this is because I don't actually watch Dr. Who, but isn't that a rather large list of similarities?

 

Actually - it's a really superficial list of similarities.

 

It's like saying

 

- has red hair

- is tall

- likes basketball

 

I have no idea how long you've been a fan but I can guarantee - I've been one longer.

 

I have seen every story from 100000 BC through to Last Christmas and delved deep into the EU.  I don't normally play the 'I'm a bigger fan' card since that's a very gatekeeping thing to do, but you said 'a great many Whovians' and I am here to refute the hell out of that.

 

There is a lot to compare between Solas and the Doctor, particually his nastier moments as Time Lord Victorious (which shows the lengths someone can go to while still believing they are a hero).  There's also the sometimes cruel chessmaster of the McCoy era - a man who clearly cared for Ace but was also willing to put here through hell for the 'greater good'.

 

Everybody lives?  That was first said in 2005.  A long way from the man who once tried to bash a man's head in because he got in the way.

 

I have no problem with you appealing to your longer fandom.  I'm not someone who shrinks from knowledge - nor is ever intimidated.

 

And does the Doctor realize he's wrong when he goes into these modes (he certainly does with Timelord Victorious)?

If Solas says... when I see him next:  "I was such a fool... so arrogant and cruel and selfish." 

 

Then I'll say:  "Yes, of course you were Solas... where do we go from here." 

 

EDIT:  That some people find "depth" in arrogant, cruel selfish people... is where I diverge with Solas' fans.

[Illyria]

And does the Doctor realize he's wrong when he goes into these modes?

If Solas says... when I see him next:  "I was such a fool... so arrogant and cruel and selfish." 

 

Then I'll say:  "Yes, of course you were Solas... where do we go from here." 

 

Yes, but it takes time to get there.  In Waters of Mars it took Adelaide Brooke killing herself to make him realise he'd gone too far.  Solas is yet to go through this part of his development - and you're denying he's capable of reaching that point. 

 

Weekes' inspiration from the Doctor is very clear in his writing of Solas.  They both have that same arrogance when they believe they're right (see: well, pretty much any DW story, but Midnight is a good one since his arrogance, intelligence and belife that he's better than everyone is what nearly leads to his death), they both have a dislike for things that are Wrong in their view (thinking of the way the Doctor views Jack in Utopia, for example), they both care deeply about life but wow do they rack up a body count.  Both of them have had to deal with 'do I have the right?' (Genesis of the Daleks is probably the most famous example). 

 

The Doctor can be a monster, but he's also a hero.  And he's so utterly alien, but also so human.  Much like Solas.

 

(I'm sorry for the unbelievably rude tone I took earlier, by the way.)

[Secret Rare]

@midnight tea:  Has it ever occurred to you Solas might be exactly what I see?  I don't think it has ever even entered your mind he's not the tragic figure you need him to be.  You've decided - and you've combed the game for concepts you believe support your claims.

 

How dare you to see the ancient destroyer of Elvenhan as something else other than a tragic hero?

If you don't see him as a living tragedy you are wrong because complexity reasons that make Solas a tragic hero-villain,you can't see him for whatever is your perception of him through his actions and words.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Illyria:  No need to apologize.  I don't take offense at very much.  You're passionate and that is good.  It is only "wrong" - I would argue - when someone is trying to censure others passions that oppose them.  You were not trying to do that I don't feel. 

 

I honestly did not see anywhere where Solas genuinely questions where he has the right to kill all of modern Thedas.  All he says is:  "I have to."  For me... that's a load of crap.  And certainly not an answer you give someone you respect or call a friend.

 

Sociopaths can logically know they are supposed to "feel bad" and are capable of saying: "I feel bad." when their actions say anything but.

 

Solas isn't even passionate like the Doctor tends to be when he goes off the deep end... he's cold and calculating and rational and still decides killing everything for his own agenda is perfectly reasonable.  If I recall correctly - he's pushed pretty far when he becomes Timelord Victorious (throughout the entire season if I recall correctly). 

 

Also - if I had seen Solas do one thing like the Doctor has done in his many long years in story... to sacrifice himself for other people - then perhaps I would see him as varied.  Appealing to some ancient tale that is told to me by someone who has been lying to me since I met him... where he conveniently plays the hero... is not enough for me. 

 

Again... psychopaths and sociopaths are amazing liars and often convince others they are the "nice, quiet neighbor next door."

 

- The Inquisitor would not need saving if Solas hadn't tried to kill him/her first.  It's even worse (for me) that the Inquisitor was just "collateral" damage.

 

Also... nothing that was done to the Inqusitor was done to him/her for "the greater good" - it was simply Solas taking advantage of opportunities that arose after his initial plan when awry.  DA:I would not have happened if Solas wasn't trying to destroy the modern world.

 

NOTE:  I am currently good friends with Solas with my Lavellan playthrough.... "I" know what Solas is going to do to my Lavellan... and I know that my Lavellan will be pretty crushed that a person he thought was his friend does to him was Solas has done.

 

It's a shame... someone was saying how Solas doesn't have someone to ground him.... my Lavellan is standing right there.  It is Solas' fault for deciding to remain detached.

 

If I carry this character as my main into any story where Solas is involved... he will try to stop Solas without killing him, but he will never see Solas as a friend again.

 

My friends don't lie to me their entire lives... put me in danger for their own agendas... and then require me to drag them from their own self-destructive tendencies.  To me... that's a poisonous person only dragging me down.

[Secret Rare]

Dude, I paraphrased the explaination that Solas gives during Trespasser.

 

 

"He wanted to power up his orb and he had no idea Coryfish could actually unlock it."

I don't understand what's going on here,either there are several reading mistakes i'm committing or either it's seems that some persons are forgetting what they said in previous posts

 

In no point Solas said that he didn't knew that Corypheus would have been able to unlock the Orb,he only said he didn't knew that he was able to survive after having unlocked it.

 

Dude is an assumption eh?

[Medhia_Nox]

He knew Corypheus would unlock it... that was the point.

 

What he didn't know was that Corypheus would find the means to "effective immortality" - he intended Corypheus to die in the blast.

[Secret Rare]

 

 

EDIT:  That some people find "depth" in arrogant, cruel selfish people... is where I diverge with Solas' fans.

I didn't saw Solas as inherently arrogant since there are several instances in which he show qualities of kindness and is mostly polite in all the conversations,however i do not see him as this tragedy some fans want him to be.

[Secret Rare]

He knew Corypheus would unlock it... that was the point.

 

What he didn't know was that Corypheus would find the means to "effective immortality" - he intended Corypheus to die in the blast.

There is something actually that it was never discussed properly and it is the sacrifice.

In order to unlock the Orb a sacrifice is necessary?

[Illyria]

@Illyria:  No need to apologize.  I don't take offense at very much.  You're passionate and that is good.  It is only "wrong" - I would argue - when someone is trying to censure others passions that oppose them.  You were not trying to do that I don't feel. 

 

I honestly did not see anywhere where Solas genuinely questions where he has the right to kill all of modern Thedas.  All he says is:  "I have to."  For me... that's a load of crap.  And certainly not an answer you give someone you respect or call a friend.

 

Sociopaths can logically know they are supposed to "feel bad" and are capable of saying: "I feel bad." when their actions say anything but.

 

Solas isn't even passionate like the Doctor tends to be when he goes off the deep end... he's cold and calculating and rational and still decides killing everything for his own agenda is perfectly reasonable.  If I recall correctly - he's pushed pretty far when he becomes Timelord Victorious (throughout the entire season if I recall correctly). 

 

Also - if I had seen Solas do one thing like the Doctor has done in his many long years in story... to sacrifice himself for other people - then perhaps I would see him as varied.  Appealing to some ancient tale that is told to me by someone who has been lying to me since I met him... where he conveniently plays the hero... is not enough for me. 

 

Again... psychopaths and sociopaths are amazing liars and often convince others they are the "nice, quiet neighbor next door."

 

- The Inquisitor would not need saving if Solas hadn't tried to kill him/her first.  It's even worse (for me) that the Inquisitor was just "collateral" damage.

 

Also... nothing that was done to the Inqusitor was done to him/her for "the greater good" - it was simply Solas taking advantage of opportunities that arose after his initial plan when awry.  DA:I would not have happened if Solas wasn't trying to destroy the modern world.

 

NOTE:  I am currently good friends with Solas with my Lavellan playthrough.... "I" know what Solas is going to do to my Lavellan... and I know that my Lavellan will be pretty crushed that a person he thought was his friend does to him was Solas has done.

 

It's a shame... someone was saying how Solas doesn't have someone to ground him.... my Lavellan is standing right there.  It is Solas' fault for deciding to remain detached.

 

I'm glad you're not offended.

 

Solas does question his plan at many points, but most of it is hidden in banter.

 

Solas created the veil and shifted the world of its natural course just to free his people.  He also led a rebellion against the all power mage lords of the elven empire and, judging from his banters with Sera, did some pretty terrible things in the name to freedom.  The healer has the bloodiest hands, after all.  If that's not the 'greater good' I don't know what is.

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@Secret Rare:  I believe that not only a "sacrifice" was necessary... but that it required someone like the Divine who had a lot of people who put their faith in her. 

 

Unless we are to simply assume that Corypheus just did it for the lulz among hundreds of Templars and Mages when he could have used a farmer. 

 

@Illyria:  I cannot believe his story.  He lies to me the entire game.  I have no faith in Solas' tale or his perception of his role in it. 

 

I have been "witness" to the good works of the Doctor... I have yet to see Solas do anything but manipulate and seek to destroy. 

 

A story about how good he was... does not, for me, change the fact that he wants to obliterate Thedas.  For me, it actually undoes any sacrifices he made in the past. 

 

Again - this is my perception of the situation.