How dare you to see the ancient destroyer of Elvenhan as something else other than a tragic hero?
If you don't see him as a living tragedy you are wrong because complexity reasons that make Solas a tragic hero-villain,you can't see him for whatever is your perception of him through his actions and words.
How dare yyou to see the ancient destroyer of Elvenhan as something else other than a tragic hero?
If you don't see him as a living tragedy you are wrong because complexity reasons that make Solas a tragic hero-villain,you can't see him for whatever is your perception of him through his actions and words.
I think fans tend to see him that way, because Weekes confirmed that's what he was going for (sympathetic villian) and the reason why he wrote the romance at all. At least as far as the base game goes.
That his intentions and status as a villian is much more straightforward in Tresspasser, is arguably true. Although considering his character arc is unfinished at this point, we still have yet to see how it will play out.
So he wrote the romance so someone could see him as sympathetic?
That doesn't say anything about Solas - it says that good people who fall in love with bad people are sometimes blind to their egregious flaws.
I don't understand what's going on here,either there are several reading mistakes i'm committing or either it's seems that some persons are forgetting what they said in previous postsIn no point Solas said that he didn't knew that Corypheus would have been able to unlock the Orb,he only said he didn't knew that he was able to survive after having unlocked it.Dude is an assumption eh?
He wanted Cory to power up the orb, he had no idea he would unlock its powers, or that he was immortal (Solas was banking on Cory dying in the blast caused by unlocking it if, by some chance, he was able to do so).
@Secret Rare: I believe that not only a "sacrifice" was necessary... but that it required someone like the Divine who had a lot of people who put their faith in her.
Unless we are to simply assume that Corypheus just did it for the lulz among hundreds of Templars and Mages when he could have used a farmer.
@Illyria: I cannot believe his story. He lies to me the entire game. I have no faith in Solas' tale or his perception of his role in it.
I have been "witness" to the good works of the Doctor... I have yet to see Solas do anything but manipulate and seek to destroy.
Again - this is my perception of the situation.
There's no reason for a lie at this point in the story - from either the persepective of Solas, or from that of a writer. The purpose of the DLC was to finish off the story - Solas' Q&A did that.
And that's fair enough. We're not going to agree on this, but we can agree, I'm sure, that these debates could only arise from a truly well written and interesting character. Which is one answer to the question of 'why do people like Solas'?
Funny thing about Solas, when the game first came out and Solas enjoyed an unexpected wave of popularity, the same peanut gallery that tended to say, "Girls just want a conventionally gorgeous male model" were conspicuously silent since Solas isn't conventionally attractive. And he's BALD! But then as word got around that he was the Dread Wolf, suddenly it was, "Oh, girls just like Solas because he's a GOD. They want to feel flattered that a GOD is fawning over them!" Now that his godhood has been disproven, suddenly it's, "It's all the mystique of the tragic love affair."
For heaven's sake! Can't we like something because it's good? Can't we like a character because we find that character interesting, complex, engaging, enjoyable, or compelling? Because it's a great character, or a great story, or has great chemistry with the female PC, etc? Can't we like something because it has intellectual and artistic merit; not because of some banal reason you keep trying to configure into being?
I'm not saying there aren't women or girls out there who like things for superficial reasons. But, in general, if you something has a large female fanbase (from characters to movies to bands), instead of jumping to think, "It must be for a really stupid reason," maybe stop and consider that maybe there's something legitimate to like about it.
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I think fans tend to see him that way, because Weekes confirmed that's what he was going for (sympathetic villian) and the reason why he wrote the romance at all. At least as far as the base game goes.
That his intentions and status as a villian is much more straightforward in Tresspasser, is arguably true. Although considering his character arc is unfinished at this point, we still have yet to see how it will play out.
Who cares about unfinished character arcs and factual facts. What is the point of being an Inquisition if we can't just sit on a throne and pass judgement?
I judge him my jester! Poke him with soft cushions!
There's no reason for a lie at this point in the story - from either the persepective of Solas, or from that of a writer. The purpose of the DLC was to finish off the story - Solas' Q&A did that.
And that's fair enough. We're not going to agree on this, but we can agree, I'm sure, that these debates could only arise from a truly well written and interesting character. Which is one answer to the question of 'why do people like Solas'?
I am forced to grudgingly agree - THIS is from my own stubborness - I cannot stand characters like Dexter or Walter White. I do not find them interesting or complex. I find them boorishly puerile and base.
Right now - I have placed Solas in this category of characters.
But - this is not just a forum for loving characters. I go nowhere near the Blanketfort - because that is the Solas love fest. We will likely "meet again" in discussions about Solas in the years until DA:4 - disagreeing as we go.
My reason for returning actually has more to do with fan responses... disliking a character doesn't mean a person doesn't "get it" or that a person is "stubborn" or "myopic" or any other number of things... so - as long as I see posters (other posters) bullying their fellows forumites I'll gleefully "play Solas" and work to take down the "gods of fandom".
NOTE: If my saying that makes me sound arrogant... well... now you know why I think what I do about Solas.
So he wrote the romance so someone could see him as sympathetic?
That doesn't say anything about Solas - it says that good people who fall in love with bad people are sometimes blind to their egregious flaws.
So he wrote the romance so someone could see him as sympathetic?
That doesn't say anything about Solas - it says that good people who fall in love with bad people are sometimes blind to their egregious flaws.
Haha, you want so badly to interpret every single thing about Solas in bad light.... it's kinda fun to watch 
It's like some other people I know that in other threads bend over backwards to twist even author's words about their own creations or intents behind them.
Still - sorry, but Weeks tells us (in interviews and panels) that he wrote the romance specifically NOT to make a point about Inky falling in love in bad people, but to make Solas' story and fate sadder. You don't write something to make the character look sadder if there's nothing in him to be sad about.
Even more so, in Nerd Appropriate interview Weekes states that writing villains - like Nightmare in HLTA - was never really his forte. "Mean, hurtful things - that's me writing a villain. That's about the best I got." is a direct quote. Then he goes at length explaining how he loves writing characters that are deeply morally conflicted or doing something awful for what he thinks is a very moral reason. Then he says that he feels the same way about Mordin Solus - and if I recall correctly (haven't played ME) Mordin is not a villain character in ME universe.
He also says that Solas is always a person who goes after more thoughtful solutions, he's one of the strongest believes in freedom of personal thought - and yes, he also confirms that his feelings for inquisitor are not fake in any way and that he cares about them deeply.
.. And so on and so forth. Needless to say from author's words alone - if you don't really want to believe the source material - we do know that there's more to him than 'just' a future villain.
So he wrote the romance so someone could see him as sympathetic?
That doesn't say anything about Solas - it says that good people who fall in love with bad people are sometimes blind to their egregious flaws.
Except it doesn't say that either. Not any more than any other romance/game mechanic does, anyway. A lot of things in game can be interpreted differently, and some people are simply more "blind to their egregious flaws" than other--the romance itself does not depend on that.
But as far as the creator/writer was concerned, the romance was created to expand his character, not redefine it. He tried to create a character with "hidden depths" and he used the romance as a tool to better explore it. So I think it is safe to say the romance actually does say a lot about Solas.
But - this is not just a forum for loving characters. I go nowhere near the Blanketfort - because that is the Solas love fest. We will likely "meet again" in discussions about Solas in the years until DA:4 - disagreeing as we go.
My reason for returning actually has more to do with fan responses... disliking a character doesn't mean a person doesn't "get it" or that a person is "stubborn" or "myopic" or any other number of things... so - as long as I see posters (other posters) bullying their fellows forumites I'll gleefully "play Solas" and work to take down the "gods of fandom".
Disliking a character is one thing - passively aggressively sneering at people for liking that character, whether you interpret him that way or just can't find it in yourself to understand him or see what other people see him is another.
Even in that comment you can't just help yourself and call the Blanketfort "Solas love fest" - while it's one of the longest and most active threads not because people just fawn over Solas there, but because we discuss things, from lore to speculations about the future and more. And yes, that includes critical analysis of a character and disagreements in that regard as well. Just because people like Solas and are ready to discuss him as more than just a villain doesn't mean that we're crazy about him or can't see his flaws.
One of reasons why he's so interesting is because he's literally a character on the edge - ready to plunge onto one side or another and we sort of see him balancing and wonder which side it's going to be. Can we even redeem him? What if it's actually the sadder route? But to wonder about it, to even discuss it and any plot or story possibilities this brings, requires for a person to even just entertain an idea that there's more to him than just a fairly straightforward future villain - you, it seems, have already decided what he is and are simply not interested in anyone else's perspective. And anyone who disagrees is apparently just a case of being unreasonable.
27 pages later...are we still trying to figure out why some of us love Solas? 
There is something actually that it was never discussed properly and it is the sacrifice.In order to unlock the Orb a sacrifice is necessary?
The short answer: no one is sure. All that really seemed to necessary was power, and so while a sacrifice could be one method of obtaining that power, it by far not the only method.
Most likely Corypheaus simply wanted to go with the obtain-power-by-blood-sacrifice route because that was his preference. That it was the Divine he had chosen was most likely because she was the head of a religion that directly had a hand in the death of Old God worship, and because he knew that such a figure dying would throw the world into chaos.
But everyone is free to speculate.
The only time we get insight as to how may be activated was in this conversation after trespasser:
Inquisitor: You gave your orb to Corypheaus?
Solas: Not directly. My agents allowed the Venatori to locate it. The orb had built up magical energy while I lay unconscious for a millennia. I was not powerful enough to open it.
Solas: The plan was for Corypheaus to unlock it, and for the resulting explosion to kill him. Then I would claim the orb.
Solas: I did not foresee a Tevinter Magister having learned the secret of effective immortality.
The only reason I don't think a sacrifice was mandatory was because Solas could have done it himself, if that was the case. It may not have been easy, but it could have been done. If Solas can muster up forces/intel to infiltrate a powerful Inquisition and put a damper in Qunari operations, then access to the Divine could have been achievable (if he had the mind to). Corypheaus could do it with a handful of wardens and a small force of tevinter extremists, I don't see why Solas and his agents could not do the same.
@Secret Rare: I believe that not only a "sacrifice" was necessary... but that it required someone like the Divine who had a lot of people who put their faith in her.
Unless we are to simply assume that Corypheus just did it for the lulz among hundreds of Templars and Mages when he could have used a farmer.
Regardless of whom would have been that sacrifice it does not change that it was necessary(or at least i presume it was) and Solas while aware of this wanted it unlocked.For someone which has his level of knowledge and understanding i expect more compassion
He wanted Cory to power up the orb, he had no idea he would unlock its powers, or that he was immortal (Solas was banking on Cory dying in the blast caused by unlocking it if, by some chance, he was able to do so).
The only part i never grasped in trespasser is the point in which you seem to imply that Solas didn't know for sure that Corypheus had the capacity to unlock the Orb,this actually is in conflict somehow with the plan he made to use that Orb to try to kill him since i do not think that he gambled the Orb with such level of uncertainty.
@midnight @Illyria
Dunno why you perceived it as a form of "escalation" do you viewed it as a form of vitriol?
Then it was most likely a form of wrong expression.This sad but is like... i feel that i'm perceived as an hostile foe.
I don't particularly like a character in which you seem to be interested but it does not mean that i dislike you or some of the argumentations you both made.
27 pages later...are we still trying to figure out why some of us love Solas?
I don't have any issues with his behaviour,however he caused too much sufferings and is incomprehensible to me that someone with such politeness is at the same time so stubborn.
27 pages later...are we still trying to figure out why some of us love Solas?
Well certainly not because he detests tea >.> How could you Solas *sniff* my hart is broken.
My reason for returning actually has more to do with fan responses... disliking a character doesn't mean a person doesn't "get it" or that a person is "stubborn" or "myopic" or any other number of things... so - as long as I see posters (other posters) bullying their fellows forumites I'll gleefully "play Solas" and work to take down the "gods of fandom".
You definitely don't get it.
Oh wait, I just bullied you. And/or censored you. You've used both words, comically. 
@Almostfaceman: The picture you use is so appropriate for you.
@midnight @Illyria
Dunno why you perceived it as a form of "escalation" do you viewed it as a form of vitriol?
Then it was most likely a form of wrong expression.This sad but is like... i feel that i'm perceived as an hostile foe.
I don't particularly like a character in which you seem to be interested but it does not mean that i dislike you or some of the argumentations you both made.
It's like if we or if you prefer I started an hostility for some misused words maybe you perceived as a form of aggressiveness?I will try to soften the tones.
It was a tongue-in-cheek response. I just found it funny that you pointed your elaborate sarcasm at me/people who like Solas and made it sound as if we're the unreasonable sort who jump at people who "dare" to not like Solas, when the accusation comes pretty much from another side.
It's not a matter of disliking him or not - there were many people on this thread or another who said they dislike Solas or have mixed opinion about it; they're welcome to it, obviously - it's how you do it that matters or prompts people to form a response. As for me, if I find someone make an interesting point or a thing we can debate about OR I find faults in logic or lack of support of claims in source material/creator comments, I'm the one who will usually respond.
@Almostfaceman: The picture you use is so appropriate for you.
Uh oh. I've been bullied and censored.
@Almostfaceman: When did I use the word censored? I can't find where I used it.
Do we know the difference between censored and censured?
Stick with bullying... you know that word.
@Illyria: No need to apologize. I don't take offense at very much. You're passionate and that is good. It is only "wrong" - I would argue - when someone is trying to censure others passions that oppose them.
Here you are implying that those who don't agree with you (or those that agree with you) are trying to censure you.
@almostfaceman: Which is different than being censored... but English class is derailing the thread.
@Almostfaceman: When did I use the word censored? I can't find where I used it.
Do we know the difference between censored and censured?
Stick with bullying... you know that word.
I do know that word, you don't. That was my point.
@almostfaceman: Which is different than being censored... but English class is derailing the thread.
But the effect would be the same. If you are sensitive to disagreement and consider it censure and bullying you (instead of an exchange of ideas) then the desired result of those enacting the censure would be to silence any disagreement. An effective censor of the opposition in continuation of the written expression of the thread.
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