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[Donquijote and 59 others]

Because he is a person not a tranquil and the only one who deserve to exsist in Thedas,him and Abelas

[Abyss108]

I don't believe it is necessarily part of his appeal for everyone, at least, for me it wasn't. I didn't mean to imply that everyone who romanced Solas is a victim to that effect. I foremost liked him for his knowledge, voice, and temperament, and found him even more compelling after the reveal. I was trying to explain the phenomena that so often gets misconstrued as women consciously going after bad men or guys who only hurt them.   I apologize if I came off as accusatory.

 

No, no, that wasn't specifically aimed at you! I've seen various people post similar things about how that's either why they liked him or why they think other people like him!

 

I just found it interesting that people count that as a reason when most people probably didn't know that was even a thing until after the romance was over! Like, do they think people actually didn't like Solas for the first 95% of the game and just played his romance for the ending? I'm not even saying it's a bad reason, just something I don't really understand.

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

So the takeaway from this thread is women like smooth bad nerdy guys who will break their hearts...

 

[Al Foley]

So the takeaway from this thread is women like smooth bad nerdy guys who will break their hearts...

 

Some men too apparently.

[dawnstone]

I always pick the male elf romance first, so I was delighted when he turned out to be so smooth, sexy and plot-relevant. And then, bonus bonus, it also is a tragic romance that ends on a cliffhanger!!

 

Nothing good can come from this relationship, but the writer in me just eats up the pain the characters are in, and my mind is off spinning at how things resolve for them. These things kept me well invested in the fates of both characters, and that's a hard thing to do right in a game - especially when one of them is ostensibly going to be a future antagonist. I don't expect everyone to have the same experience, but it definitely made DA:I a more powerful story for me. I will always kind of love Solas and his writers for that.

 

His baldness does not bother me, my own husband is bald and quite the handsome curmudgeon. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

This is Solas

http://antaam.tumblr...d-so-hard-on-it

[General TSAR]

I liked him before he became Dark Solas because he was witty and hilarious. I I love him (platonically) when he became a villain because BioWare just did the impossible; they made one of your party members into a villain and it was awesome! 

 

Plus he has an awesome theme in Trespasser:

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I agree Bioware wanted to make him into dark Solas with the whole revelation

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[Lady Luminous]

Wow, people have different tastes in who they like romantically. What a surprise!

[General TSAR]

Also this entire conversation was pretty nice.

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I mean, they shouldn't but then people also like Anders so.

 

Well, IRL you have a female pen pal teacher falling in love with the Unabomber :- http://www.dailymail...y-Richards.html . In fact, women falling for criminals is a thing:- http://nypost.com/20...jailed-killers/

 

Heck, they even have a term for this sort of thing - Hybristophilia:- https://en.wikipedia...Hybristophilia and most of the examples we have of Hybristophilia are women falling for male criminals, the reverse exist but it is rarer.

 

[dawnstone]

So the takeaway from this thread is women like smooth bad nerdy guys who will break their hearts...

 

 

So the takeaway from this thread is women like smooth, bald bad, intelligent nerdy, people guys who break things off when they know it's not going to work will break their hearts.

 

FTFY

[Bayonet Hipshot]

So the takeaway from this thread is women like smooth, bald bad, intelligent nerdy, people guys who break things off when they know it's not going to work will break their hearts.

 

FTFY

 

More like in denial rather than FTFY. Look, Solas is an interesting character in the same way Anders is an interesting character. They are not the types you want to have LTRs with because it will end badly.

[Sah291]

 
He has the personality of men I'd avoid IRL. A sapiosexual Libertarian who won't shut the **** up about his superior Atheism and his super interesting dream journal.

Solas as a jaded libertarian, I can totally see, but I don't see why that makes him a bad character. On that account, the writing presents both some of the best aspects of his ideas (as seen in the base game), as well as a really harsh critism of some of the more self destructive and apathetic attitude of some libertarians... Easily one of the best portrayls I've seen, and that's pretty rare as it is.

[Dabrikishaw]

Ignoring his romance, I just found the character really interesting.

[Reznore57]

I think Solas romance work in part because it makes the ego squee.

Almost everyone likes to feel special in a way or another.

 

Solas is all about how people don't understand , don't see , how he's the only one with the TRUTH  , well some truth anyway.

Then he picks you from the herd , and likes you because you're not like the others.

Meaning somewhere somehow your Inquisitor is more open minded , more intelligent , more unique...and who doesn't like to feel that way ?

[mousesack]

No, no, that wasn't specifically aimed at you! I've seen various people post similar things about how that's either why they liked him or why they think other people like him!
 
I just found it interesting that people count that as a reason when most people probably didn't know that was even a thing until after the romance was over! Like, do they think people actually didn't like Solas for the first 95% of the game and just played his romance for the ending? I'm not even saying it's a bad reason, just something I don't really understand.
 

 
Good point. Well, I've seen much firsthand evidence of people who were totally disinterested in Solas on their first run of the game until they found out his secret, and were far more compelled by him afterwards. Many were drawn to romance him on a second playthrough because of that, and Trespasser is only the icing on the cake. I don't blame them for it, at first glance he may seem nondescript and somewhat of a know-it-all. Much of his character makes more sense in retrospect. I recently replayed DA:I as a Solas-romancing Lavellan and I keep finding more and more instances where his true identity is hinted towards.

[Neria Rose]

Exactly. What most people misunderstand as women liking bad boys is actually what I like to call the 'Fixer-Upper' phenomena: Girl gets with 'tormented' guy and wants to redeem or 'fix' him with the Power of Love™. She naively hopes to be his savior. I don't understand the psychology behind the effect, but it's positively everywhere in romantic fiction and real life. Women and men alike fall for it hook, line, and sinker. 

 

I have precisely zero interest in "fixing" anyone. I loathe fanfics in which someone has their protagonist warp a character (ex. tons of Loki fanfics) through "love" or some other BS. Solas' attributes are what attracted me to him (I think I neglected to mention his confidence in my prior post) and changing him by "saving" him would turn him into something I wouldn't want.

 

But, I was also happy with the way the Solas romance wrapped up. And sappy, angsty redemption story arcs aren't my thing, so I hope the devs have him go forward with his plans and allow us to react how we wish.

[Witch Cocktor]

The way he's drawn in a lot of fanart is just such a reach away from the way he looks in game. A frail, puffy-faced bald rat. And that isn't my personal bias talking. When he was revealed before Inquisition was released, the sight of him actually unnerved me.

THANK U (ok yes its a low quality graphics settings screencap but still...)

 

 

Though Solas' appearance has nothing to do with why I do not like him at all. But your words ring true, A LOT, lol.

[midnight tea]

I think Solas romance work in part because it makes the ego squee.

Almost everyone likes to feel special in a way or another.

 

Solas is all about how people don't understand , don't see , how he's the only one with the TRUTH  , well some truth anyway.

Then he picks you from the herd , and likes you because you're not like the others.

Meaning somewhere somehow your Inquisitor is more open minded , more intelligent , more unique...and who doesn't like to feel that way ?

 

Same thing could be said about Cole  Also - he doesn't just worship romanced Lavellan only, a befriended Inquisitor of any race or gender can vow to save him from himself too and Solas even says to them that he's looking forward to being proven wrong again, so I'm not sure why you're singling out romanced Lavellans, when we don't even know if they'd even get any "special option" or if we manage to actually redeem him.

[mousesack]

I have precisely zero interest in "fixing" anyone. I loathe fanfics in which someone has their protagonist warp a character (ex. tons of Loki fanfics) through "love" or some other BS. Solas' attributes are what attracted me to him (I think I neglected to mention his confidence in my prior post) and changing him by "saving" him would turn him into something I wouldn't want.

 

But, I was also happy with the way the Solas romance wrapped up. And sappy, angsty redemption story arcs aren't my thing, so I hope the devs have him go forward with his plans and allow us to react how we wish.

 

I agree. You can't fix anybody by just loving them enough. Often times the people who try to do that become enablers or are manipulative themselves.

 

I don't think Solas can be stopped peacefully, much as he wants to be proven wrong. He hasn't committed any atrocities just yet, but it's his willingness to do so in pursuit of his goals that makes him dangerous nonetheless. Even if he was 'redeemed', how could you live with someone who seriously contemplated mass death, and had the means to actually pull it off?

 

[Chiramu]

Solas grew on me actually. When I started I thought he was so boring, then on one playthrough I just liked him lol. 

I don't know about romantic feelings, but I like his character. 

[Almostfaceman]

, but it's his willingness to do so in pursuit of his goals that makes him dangerous nonetheless. Even if he was 'redeemed', how could you live with someone who seriously contemplated mass death, and had the means to actually pull it off?

 

 

 

It's a common story-telling device, redeeming the villain. Hellooooo, Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. 

[midnight tea]

I agree. You can't fix anybody by just loving them enough. Often times the people who try to do that become enablers or are manipulative themselves.

 

Befriended Inquisitors also have an option to save him. And I don't think either Inquisitor, Solas or Bioware are naive enough to present a "all you need is love" option and just leave it at that. It's silly to think that those who romance/want to redeem him are just lovestruck women who think they can save a bad boy. IMO that's a pretty shallow and dismissive way to look at things.

 

Solas has already softened considerably (under good influence of a friend or lover) in 1-2 years he's spent with Inquisition (and you see his shell cracking even if he and Inky hate one another, thanks to the influence of some companions), but I don't think anyone's naive to say that it's just because Inquisitor/romanced Lavellan showered him with care and attention. They've proven themselves to be decent, level-headed leaders and problem-solvers (and in case Solas doesn't like them, after ToM he admits to admiring Inquisitor for never giving up) and Solas keeps underlining how he appreciates their intelligence. So I'm pretty sure there's concrete work to be done, while searching for concrete solutions, rather than anything excessively feelsy.

 

I don't think Solas can be stopped peacefully, much as he wants to be proven wrong. He hasn't committed any atrocities just yet, but it's his willingness to do so in pursuit of his goals that makes him dangerous nonetheless. Even if was 'redeemed', how could you live with someone who seriously contemplated mass death, and had the means to actually pull it off?

 

...Yet the man who's seriously contemplating mass death just prevented mass death on South by tipping Inquisitor about the Qunari's sinister plan and subsequent invasion, saves their life and basically gives them an opportunity to stop him.

 

Plus, if the hints we find throughout the game make things go where I think they may be going, we're gonna see a few twists that may yet change our perspective on not just whole of Thedas and its state, but why Solas thinks his actions are necessary. We don't have the full picture yet, after all.

[DebatableBubble]

This is Solas

http://antaam.tumblr...d-so-hard-on-it

Solas reminds me of a neckbeard.