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[myahele]

I just hope the Inquisitor will play a much bigger and important role than what they did with Hawke.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They said the 'Inquisitor's' story.  No matter what happens at the end, they're not the Inquisitor anymore...

Yeah, but with how much they love that "New PC per game" rule they set for Dragon Age I don't have much hope. 

 

I just hope the Inquisitor will play a much bigger and important role than what they did with Hawke.

I just hope they don't mess up the Inquisitor like they did with Hawke. 

[Shechinah]

I just hope the Inquisitor will play a much bigger and important role than what they did with Hawke.

 

My preferred take on the dual protagonist idea is that the new protagonist has the far larger share while the Inquisitor has a smaller share. Both are equally important but handle different matters. I'd be fine, however, if the Inquisitor only makes playable appearances during the final confrontation with Solas or in scenes with him.

 

I do not want the Inquisitor to appear as a non-playable character and if that is the only course then I do not want them to appear at all.

[Illyria]

Yeah, but with how much they love that "New PC per game" rule they set for Dragon Age I don't have much hope. 

 

I just hope they don't mess up the Inquisitor like they did with Hawke. 

 

They might be going for a dual PC?

[Hellion Rex]

On the one hand, I'm kind of mixed about what I want from the new protagonist. On the one hand, I would have liked to continue the story of the Inquisitor, but now that they have tried "tie off" his or her story, I'm kinda interested in starting a new protagonist. Again though, the success of a new protagonist, in my opinion, is gonna be based on how well they can connect him or her to Solas and give them a personal reason to care about him, other than a simple desire to save the world.

[Hellion Rex]

They might be going for a dual PC?

Possibly, but that's gonna be so hard to pull off. I'd almost want them to stick to a single PC, cause of how easily they could mess up the dual PC.

[Abyss108]

Eh, no Inquisitor for PC equals no more Bioware games for me. 

[Hellion Rex]

Eh, no Inquisitor for PC equals no more Bioware games for me. 

That very may well be the reality of the situation. Having two protagonists, which can be a mixture of male and female (plus having two voices each for gender of Inquistor) would cost a lot of money. 

[Abyss108]

That very may well be the reality of the situation. Having two protagonists, which can be a mixture of male and female (plus having two voices each for gender of Inquistor) would cost a lot of money. 

 

I am aware. But the fact that it would cost Bioware more money to implement (assuming duel, instead of the Inquisitor being the sole protagonist) doesn't make me any more interested in playing a game where the Inquisitor/Solas plot is dropped. If they drop that, there is nothing to prevent them from dropping any other plot lines I am interested in. I'm just not interested in following a storyline where anything can be abandoned half way through.

[midnight tea]

The Orb is like a storage of power but it isn't in iself powerful since it's energy were absorbed from the fade for many, many years.
Maybe the Evanuris can do the same thing like thir orb they can absorb fade energy so i think that Solas did not had the patience to wait for his own powers to grow.

 

I'm not really sure it was a lack of patience - he spent thousands of years in the Fade, alone and alienated, not really bringing attention to himself, indicating that patience is not a problem for him. I also don't think he was just sitting there and twiddling his thumbs and not trying to gather power. No, something had to happen or is about to happen for him to risk waking up in weakened state and try and pry his orb opened by giving it to Corypheus, and before that to send his best friend/possibly best agent to try and get the key to eluvians, instead of overriding it personally after he wakes. From hints available in the game it seems that he thinks that he... or the world?... is running out of time.

 

Also he was in Uthenara with i suppose others ancient elves that were his friends like Felassan.

 

Well, we don't really know how many people he was in contact with. Abelas and Sentinels were in Uthenera when they weren't protecting the Temple and Solas appears (pleasantly) surprised that they're still alive. It's possible then that he either didn't want for many people to know he's still alive (similarly to Mythal I'd like to point out), or he couldn't reach them OR there were factors preventing it.

 

Not all ancient elves have to be on his side after all - we do hear of Sentinel-looking elves with red Vallaslin that sometimes attack people from Tirashan and it's unknown where they stand on those matters, other than so far they seem to be portrayed as a hostile force or a dangerous, unknown threat.

 

 

Anyway i don't really understand him when he said that the evanuris are in torment when they can simply sleep like he did (I think Cole even said that they are not awake)and leave their Orbs to absorb the fade energy.

 

Er... why assume that "they simply sleep like he did"? Solas probably had struck them when they least expected it, while he probably prepared himself before he's done that or Veiled the world. Don't forget that Cole said that "the wolf chewed his leg off to escape the trap" - it likely means Solas had indeed done something that locked them somewhere or sent them somewhere where they suffer; and Solas was there with them until he sacrificed something of himself to escape his own trap. Perhaps it's the reason why he couldn't really regain his powers himself and had to rely on Orb - and later Flemythal - to start getting stronger again.

 

Also - we don't know if Cole means that those "sleeping, masked in a mirror" are the Evanuris. What if they are the Forgotten ones? Or someone else?

[German Soldier]

 the world?... is running out of time.

 

 

Don't forget that Cole said that "the wolf chewed his leg off to escape the trap" - it likely means Solas had indeed done something that locked them somewhere or sent them somewhere where they suffer; and Solas was there with them until he sacrificed something of himself to escape his own trap. Perhaps it's the reason why he couldn't really regain his powers himself and had to rely on Orb - and later Flemythal - to start getting stronger again.

 

Also - we don't know if Cole means that those "sleeping, masked in a mirror" are the Evanuris. What if they are the Forgotten ones? Or someone else?

Running out of time from what?An awakening of something or someone?

It seem to me that Solas decided to wake up on purpose in the Dragon age rather than in any other age of the past, more likely  he waited for something to happen.

 

What he sacrificed his godhood?They must be the Evanuris because Solas was talking about them when he mentioned the torment.

[Abyss108]

I really don't think Cole was talking about the Evanuris. I think he was talking about the ancient slaves who were trapped on the other side of the Veil when Solas put it up. Cole made it sound like Solas wants to wake them up - Solas doesn't want to wake the Evanuris, he hates them. Waking them is just a side effect of taking down the Veil, he had to come up with a plan to deal with the fact they would awaken.

[German Soldier]

I really don't think Cole was talking about the Evanuris. I think he was talking about the ancient slaves who were trapped on the other side of the Veil when Solas put it up. Cole made it sound like Solas wants to wake them up - Solas doesn't want to wake the Evanuris, he hates them. Waking them is just a side effect of taking down the Veil, he had to come up with a plan to deal with the fact they would awaken.

This is also possible that they were talking of the ancient elves in the fade.

[myahele]

I suppose whatever binding the Evanuris is slowly weakening?

 

The Forbidden Ones (Imshael et al) were all banished into the deepest reaches of the Fade and prevented from returning until Magisters and others created a giant seal in Kirkwall and had purposely weaken the veil there via constant Blood sacrifice (see the enigma of kirkwall codex) and they all were able to be set free.

 

Same could be said about the Evanuris?

[midnight tea]

I suppose whatever binding the Evanuris is slowly weakening?

 

The Forbidden Ones (Imshael et al) were all banished into the deepest reaches of the Fade and prevented from returning until Magisters and others created a giant seal in Kirkwall and had purposely weaken the veil there via constant Blood sacrifice (see the enigma of kirkwall codex) and they all were able to be set free.

 

Same could be said about the Evanuris?

 

Well, it's also possible that the whole trip to Golden City that resulted in releasing the Blight might have also messed things up.

[dawnstone]

 

My my, this thread has become quite the free entertainment since I last posted here. 

 

Solas lovers who still love him post Trespasser vs Solas haters who used to love him. 

 

Pass the popcorn! 

Don't forget the people who always hated him, and love to let people know it!

 

[German Soldier]

I suppose whatever binding the Evanuris is slowly weakening?
?

This is also possibile and now Mythal want revenge because she can finally reach them.
Maybe Every 1000 years the prison need to be reinforced but this time Solas want to do something else.

[German Soldier]

Well, it's also possible that the whole trip to Golden City that resulted in releasing the Blight might have also messed things up.

I don't think this city has anything to do with the elves,they never mentioned it aside from legends of Andruil and even there it was simply a reference to the abyss.
I don't recall anything of the city in the culture of the elves.

[Almostfaceman]

I really don't think Cole was talking about the Evanuris. I think he was talking about the ancient slaves who were trapped on the other side of the Veil when Solas put it up. Cole made it sound like Solas wants to wake them up

 

Who? 

 

If you watch the Trespasser dialogue or read what I posted a little back in this thread, Solas isn't concerned about some remnant of elves trapped in the Fade. He says that he "freed" the elves, not imprisoned them. 

 

Solas: I sought to set my people free from slavery to would-be gods. I broke the chains of all who wished to join me. The false gods called me Fen'Harel, and when they finally went too far, I formed the Veil and banished them forever. Thus I freed the elven people and, in so doing, destroyed their world. 

 

Solas is concerned about the "modern" elves. They are the unintentional product of his actions. He's not focused on elves trapped in the Fade. Elves trapped in the Fade haven't had "everything taken from them" by the Veil. The people who have, that's who he talks about. 

 

Solas: You saw the remains of Vir Dirthara. The library was intrinsically tied to the Fade, and the Veil destroyed it. There were countless other marvels, all dependent on the presence of the Fade, all destroyed. Your legends are half-right. We were immortal. It was not the arrival of humans that caused us to begin aging. It was me. The Veil took everything from the elves, even themselves. 

 

Solas: I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you. My people fell for what I did to strike the Evanuris down, but still some hope remains for restoration. I will save the elven people. Even if it means this world must die.

 

Even the wiki agrees with me. 

 

As of the Trespasser DLC, elves begin to stream from the Inquisition and from their positions as servants throughout the land, apparently to join Fen'Harel as he seeks to restore them at any cost. 

[German Soldier]

Who?

If you watch the Trespasser dialogue or read what I posted a little back in this thread, Solas isn't concerned about some remnant of elves trapped in the Fade. He says that he "freed" the elves, not imprisoned them.

Solas: I sought to set my people free from slavery to would-be gods. I broke the chains of all who wished to join me. The false gods called me Fen'Harel, and when they finally went too far, I formed the Veil and banished them forever. Thus I freed the elven people and, in so doing, destroyed their world.

I don't understand what he meant when he said that the Evanuris went too far,that they killed Mythal?
If so it was probably because they thought that she was supporting Solas and betraying them from the inside.
Also someone claimed here that Solas was with the Evanuris when he trapped them and that he had to sacrifice a part of himself to escape the trap,but why the Evanuris trusted him and followed him in this place which was a trap since he was their opponent?
Or did he really tricked them with this tale of ancestrals weapons and waited them there to convince them to come?

[Almostfaceman]

I don't understand what he meant when he said that the Evanuris went too far,that they killed Mythal?
If so it was probably because they thought that she was supporting Solas and betraying them from the inside.
Also someone claimed here that Solas was with the Evanuris when he trapped them and that he had to sacrifice a part of himself to escape the trap,but why the Evanuris trusted him and followed him in this place which was a trap since he was their opponent?
Or did he really tricked them with this tale of ancestrals weapons and waited them there to convince them to come?

 

A lot of those details hopefully will be revealed in later games. Some of the things hinted at was that the Evanuris enslaved a lot of elven people then hurled them at each other in wars. Then I think there's some stuff about Mythal and the Titans and the Evanuris... we don't know much about that except what's hinted at in some murals and codex entries. 

 

So maybe Solas thought the Evanuris would destroy the world with endless wars after the influence of Mythal was gone, or maybe it was some more immediate doom from the Titans. 

 

Or something else. But I don't think the game hints at anything else. But I could be wrong about that. 

[midnight tea]

I don't think this city has anything to do with the elves,they never mentioned it aside from legends of Andruil and even there it was simply a reference to the abyss.
I don't recall anything of the city in the culture of the elves.

 

They also didn't really remember there were slaves in Elvenhan, or that there was even a Fen'Harel revolt or the fact that the world and Fade were one once, did they?

 

Anyhoo, this city has a lot to do with ancient, forgotten history it seems. And an ancient forgotten history is pretty elfy from what we've seen. What's more, we do know for a fact that Old Gods appear to be similar to Evanuris - they emanate the same blue power and not only Mythal is particularly interested with them, she tells us (in OGB world state) that Kieran also has a piece of something or someone thought long lost, snatched away from darkness.

 

That, and... when we fall into the Fade to Adamant, one of the first things Solas does (and he's flabbergasted all the way, from both surviving the fall and flying right into raw Fade) is mentions "look, the Black City... almost close enough to touch" as if he's longing to get there.

[BansheeOwnage]

No, all the books/comics/etc are completely canon. If the events don't match up with your world state (e.g. Alistair being king), then the events still happened, just in a slightly different way which ensures everything ends up in the same state.

Right. This is confirmed ingame when Warden!Alistair mentions events that happened in the comics, where he was king, and by Varric who talks about how he's met the last two Arishoks.

[midnight tea]

Right. This is confirmed ingame when Warden!Alistair mentions events that happened in the comics, where he was king, and by Varric who talks about how he's met the last two Arishoks.

 

Varric indeed mentions he met last two Arishoks.

 

Varric: You know, I met the Arishok.

Iron Bull: Oh, the old one? Man, he had an impressive rack. The new Arishok doesn't have horns at all. Usually means they're destined for something special.

Varric: I met him too. The only thing they seem to have in common is a tendency to burn things.

Iron Bull: That pretty much sums up the antaam, yes

[BansheeOwnage]

Eh, no Inquisitor for PC equals no more Bioware games for me. 

I understand, even if it's not a deal breaker for me... yet. I have virtually no interest in ME:A after ME3, though I'll probably have to play it at some point just for the hilarity that will be the protagonist having my first name (assuming the guesses are accurate), and if DA4 drops what could have been, that would certainly be depressing. Especially since Bioware-style games are my favourite. Maybe the new IP will be good, maybe not. We don't even know the genre.