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[Abyss108]

Who? 

 

If you watch the Trespasser dialogue or read what I posted a little back in this thread, Solas isn't concerned about some remnant of elves trapped in the Fade. He says that he "freed" the elves, not imprisoned them. 

 

Solas: I sought to set my people free from slavery to would-be gods. I broke the chains of all who wished to join me. The false gods called me Fen'Harel, and when they finally went too far, I formed the Veil and banished them forever. Thus I freed the elven people and, in so doing, destroyed their world. 

 

Solas is concerned about the "modern" elves. They are the unintentional product of his actions. He's not focused on elves trapped in the Fade. Elves trapped in the Fade haven't had "everything taken from them" by the Veil. The people who have, that's who he talks about. 

 

Solas: You saw the remains of Vir Dirthara. The library was intrinsically tied to the Fade, and the Veil destroyed it. There were countless other marvels, all dependent on the presence of the Fade, all destroyed. Your legends are half-right. We were immortal. It was not the arrival of humans that caused us to begin aging. It was me. The Veil took everything from the elves, even themselves. 

 

Solas: I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you. My people fell for what I did to strike the Evanuris down, but still some hope remains for restoration. I will save the elven people. Even if it means this world must die.

 

Even the wiki agrees with me. 

 

As of the Trespasser DLC, elves begin to stream from the Inquisition and from their positions as servants throughout the land, apparently to join Fen'Harel as he seeks to restore them at any cost. 

Solas does not care about the modern Elves at all - he directly tells an Elvhen Inquisitor that he will destroy them and spends the entire game saying they are not his people. There is nothing in the ending to say modern Elves are joining him. He has had a massive spy network of ancient Elves throughout Thedas - it is probably these guys being called back to carry out his plan.

 

And you can't use a wiki to support anything - that's edited by whoever wants to change it and is biased towards whatever the popular opinion is.

[Almostfaceman]

Solas does not care about the modern Elves at all - he directly tells an Elvhen Inquisitor that he will destroy them and spends the entire game saying they are not his people. There is nothing in the ending to say modern Elves are joining him. He has had a massive spy network of ancient Elves throughout Thedas - it is probably these guys being called back to carry out his plan.

 

And you can't use a wiki to support anything - that's edited by whoever wants to change it and is biased towards whatever the popular opinion is.

 

Yeah, what he just said in Trespasser, which I posted, blows this argument out of the water. 

[Almostfaceman]

He has had a massive spy network of ancient Elves throughout Thedas - it is probably these guys being called back to carry out his plan.

 

Source? 

[BansheeOwnage]

Solas does not care about the modern Elves at all - he directly tells an Elvhen Inquisitor that he will destroy them and spends the entire game saying they are not his people. There is nothing in the ending to say modern Elves are joining him. He has had a massive spy network of ancient Elves throughout Thedas - it is probably these guys being called back to carry out his plan.

I'm pretty sure Almostfaceman is right. I distinctly remember epilogue slides explaining that elven servants and peasants (and Dalish?) were flocking to Fen'Harel (so not ancient elves). And Solas' spies in the Inquisition are also modern elves.

 

My guess is that he's either purposely misleading them, or as something more suited to Solas, telling them all about his plan to restore "the elves" but conveniently omitting the part about which elves exactly.

[Almostfaceman]

I'm pretty sure Almostfaceman is right. I distinctly remember epilogue slides explaining that elven servants and peasants (and Dalish?) were flocking to Fen'Harel (so not ancient elves). And Solas' spies in the Inquisition are also modern elves.

 

 

Yup. 

 

https://youtu.be/mVagk9RyaoM?t=5m5s

 

"After the events at the Winter Palace, elves left the Inquisition under mysterious circumstances, as did elven servants across Thedas. None could say where they went, but those who believed the Inquisitor's story about Fen'Harel wondered just how large the Dread Wolf's forces were... and what the ancient elven rebel had planned."

 

And omg the music... love the music for this DLC, love it for the entire game, really. 
 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My guess is that he's either purposely misleading them, or as something more suited to Solas, telling them all about his plan to restore "the elves" but conveniently omitting the part about which elves exactly.

Makes sense, since he is the trickster god and all he has ever done is lie, manipulate, and other terrible things to get what he wants. 

[Almostfaceman]

Makes sense, since he is the trickster god and all he has ever done is lie, manipulate, and other terrible things to get what he wants. 

 

Interesting, considering what I've posted as evidence that he's not lying in this case. I haven't really seen a counter-argument that amounts to more than "he's lying because he's Solas" or "he thinks he's telling the truth but it's going to be all lies". 

[German Soldier]

They also didn't really remember there were slaves in Elvenhan, or that there was even a Fen'Harel revolt or the fact that the world and Fade were one once, did they?

 

Anyhoo, this city has a lot to do with ancient, forgotten history it seems. And an ancient forgotten history is pretty elfy from what we've seen. What's more, we do know for a fact that Old Gods appear to be similar to Evanuris - they emanate the same blue power and not only Mythal is particularly interested with them, she tells us (in OGB world state) that Kieran also has a piece of something or someone thought long lost, snatched away from darkness.

 

That, and... when we fall into the Fade to Adamant, one of the first things Solas does (and he's flabbergasted all the way, from both surviving the fall and flying right into raw Fade) is mentions "look, the Black City... almost close enough to touch" as if he's longing to get there.

I don't recall any piece of lore about the golden city from the elves.

it does not really matter what they don't remember because many things they got half-right so for them to not have any reference to the city it means that is probably something that it was not present in their world in the current form.

 

 

I don't understand what you are trying to address with the blue light of the old god soul,from what i recall from DAO in game every soul has that color since every time the PC die it is surrounded by a glowing blue aura(which i presume is their soul which is passing in the fade) and then game over.

 

Right. This is confirmed ingame when Warden!Alistair mentions events that happened in the comics, where he was king, and by Varric who talks about how he's met the last two Arishoks.

Semi-canon since this story can't happen with Alistair dead

[Abyss108]

Yeah, what he just said in Trespasser, which I posted, blows this argument out of the water. 

What he said in Trespasser is that he will destroy the modern Elves. He says this if you are Elvhen.

[Abyss108]

I'm pretty sure Almostfaceman is right. I distinctly remember epilogue slides explaining that elven servants and peasants (and Dalish?) were flocking to Fen'Harel (so not ancient elves). And Solas' spies in the Inquisition are also modern elves.

 

My guess is that he's either purposely misleading them, or as something more suited to Solas, telling them all about his plan to restore "the elves" but conveniently omitting the part about which elves exactly.

 

Yes, spies that were posing as servents and peasants to gather information. Just like the servents we see do exactly this during Treapasser and we are told are doing this in our own organisation in the main game. Where is it said the spies are modern elves?

[Almostfaceman]

Yes, spies that were posing as servents and peasants to gather information. Just like the servents we see do exactly this during Treapasser and we are told are doing this in our own organisation in the main game. Where is it said the spies are modern elves?

 

Yeah. They're not ancient elves. You can see the face tattoos in the epilogue. 

 

Edit: Nevermind. Abelas has face tattoos. But the epilogue specifically says it's the elves from the Inquisition and former slaves, like I posted earlier. There's no evidence of any of the elves being ancient in origin. 

 

Of course you can hold that theory, but I haven't seen any evidence to back up the claim. 

[Almostfaceman]

What he said in Trespasser is that he will destroy the modern Elves. He says this if you are Elvhen.

 

He also said he's save his people by restoring them, specifically referring to modern elves. So the modern elves will cease to exist and they'll transform into what they used to be. Of course a lot of modern elves are going to die in the process. He talks about the modern elves in his dialogue that I put up for you earlier in the thread. Check it out. 

[German Soldier]

He also said he's save his people by restoring them, specifically referring to modern elves. So the modern elves will cease to exist and they'll transform into what they used to be. Of course a lot of modern elves are going to die in the process. He talks about the modern elves in his dialogue that I put up for you earlier in the thread. Check it out. 

What is that make you think that Solas consider the modern elves like the ancient elves or that modern elves can transform into Ancient elves?

From what i recall he had some conversations with Abelas in which they referenced to themselves as being part of the people not to the modern elves.

[Almostfaceman]

 

What is that make you think that Solas consider the modern elves like the ancient elves or that modern elves can transform into Ancient elves?

From what i recall he had some conversations with Abelas in which they referenced to themselves as being part of the people not to the modern elves.

 

 

I explain it earlier in the thread. If you want, check it out. I posted the dialogue in Trespasser that supports my argument. I also posted all the dialogue in the ending Solas conversation like two pages or so back. 

[Shechinah]

Though, I think, it is as likely that the modern elves that join Solas' network do not know the cost he believes there'll be to bring about his plan.  

[Almostfaceman]

Though, I think, it is as likely that the modern elves that join Solas' network do not know the cost he believes there'll be to bring about his plan.  

 

The cost can't be super-prohibitive, since, you know, the plan is to restore the elven people, not slaughter them. 

 

But stuff could go wrong, yes. 

[German Soldier]

I already saw it and it is in contrast with his conversations with Abelas in which he said that their people yet linger which was a reference to those ancient elves still hidden in sleep.

There are many ancient elves in Thedas since they were never defeated by Tevinter rather without the veil in order to maintain their youth they simply went to sleep,those are the elves Solas is looking for.

[Almostfaceman]

I already saw it and it is in contrast with his conversations with Abelas in which he said that their people yet linger which was a reference to those ancient elves still hidden in sleep.

There are many ancient elves in Thedas since they were never defeated by Tevinter rather without the veil in order to maintain their youth they simply went to sleep,those are the elves Solas is looking for.

 

No, there's nothing in the ending of Trespasser that indicates he's looking for ancient elves and his dialogue in Trespasser directly relates to the plight of the modern elves. 

 

If you watch the Trespasser dialogue or read what I posted a little back in this thread, Solas isn't concerned about some remnant of elves trapped in the Fade. He says that he "freed" the elves, not imprisoned them. 

 

Solas: I sought to set my people free from slavery to would-be gods. I broke the chains of all who wished to join me. The false gods called me Fen'Harel, and when they finally went too far, I formed the Veil and banished them forever. Thus I freed the elven people and, in so doing, destroyed their world. 

 

Solas is concerned about the "modern" elves. They are the unintentional product of his actions. He's not focused on elves trapped in the Fade. Elves trapped in the Fade haven't had "everything taken from them" by the Veil. The people who have, that's who he talks about. 

 

Solas: You saw the remains of Vir Dirthara. The library was intrinsically tied to the Fade, and the Veil destroyed it. There were countless other marvels, all dependent on the presence of the Fade, all destroyed. Your legends are half-right. We were immortal. It was not the arrival of humans that caused us to begin aging. It was me. The Veil took everything from the elves, even themselves. 

 

Solas: I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you. My people fell for what I did to strike the Evanuris down, but still some hope remains for restoration. I will save the elven people. Even if it means this world must die.

[Almostfaceman]

I already saw it and it is in contrast with his conversations with Abelas in which he said that their people yet linger which was a reference to those ancient elves still hidden in sleep.

There are many ancient elves in Thedas since they were never defeated by Tevinter rather without the veil in order to maintain their youth they simply went to sleep,those are the elves Solas is looking for.

 

Also, there's no evidence that there's many ancient elves left. The only ones we saw were the ones at Mythal's temple and a lot of them were killed. Solas was already on the path to restore the elves before he ran into these folks. 

[German Soldier]

 

No, there's nothing in the ending of Trespasser that indicates he's looking for ancient elves and his dialogue in Trespasser directly relates to the plight of the modern elves. 

 

If you watch the Trespasser dialogue or read what I posted a little back in this thread, Solas isn't concerned about some remnant of elves trapped in the Fade. He says that he "freed" the elves, not imprisoned them. 

 

 

 

Solas is concerned about the "modern" elves. They are the unintentional product of his actions. He's not focused on elves trapped in the Fade. Elves trapped in the Fade haven't had "everything taken from them" by the Veil. The people who have, that's who he talks about. 

 

 

The ancient elves of the Dragon age(like Abelas and the sentinels) are the empty shells of their ancient form in Arlathan because their bodies were stripped from the fade connections by the veil.

Solas referenced to them when he said "the veil took everything from the elves even themselves"since they were once immortal and complete without the veil.

Dunno why Solas is recruiting the modern elves or what he intend to do with them but i presume that he need their elven blood to substitute the Orb since  the elven blood is able to pierce the veil.

[Almostfaceman]

 

The ancient elves of the Dragon age(like Abelas and the sentinels) are the empty shells of their ancient form in Arlathan because their bodies were stripped from the fade connections by the veil.

Solas referenced to them when he said "the veil took everything from the elves even themselves"since they were once immortal and complete without the veil.

Dunno why Solas is recruiting the modern elves or what he intend to do with them but i presume that he need their elven blood to substitute the Orb since  the elven blood is able to pierce the veil.

 

 

No, he was referring to the modern elves. He specifically mentions the loss of immortality, which is part of the plight of the modern elves. First, the ancient elves in the temple of Mythal haven't been encountered when Solas first sees the plight of the elves. Secondly, the ancient elves in the temple of Mythal aren't dying of old age. 

 

He's recruiting the modern elves to restore them. Just like he states. 

 

Edit: Also there's no mention of the ancient elves in the epilogue. It actually specifically doesn't mention them. So I still haven't seen any evidence that Solas is gathering a large number of ancient elves. 

[Abyss108]

Solas does not believe the modern elves are even people if you do not befriend him. Nothing in what you are quoting shows otherwise. He refers to ancient elves like Abelas when he says he took everything from the elves. He tells Abelas that other elves like the two of them still exist at the Temple of Mythal, as opposed to Elves like the Dalish and city Elves. Those are the elves that form his spy network, and are the ones he wants to save.

[Almostfaceman]

Solas does not believe the modern elves are even people if you do not befriend him. Nothing in what you are quoting shows otherwise. He refers to ancient elves like Abelas when he says he took everything from the elves. He tells Abelas that other elves like the two of them still exist at the Temple of Mythal, as opposed to Elves like the Dalish and city Elves. Those are the elves that form his spy network, and are the ones he wants to save.

 

Actually, that's not correct. Here's a snippet from the last dialogue with Solas, I posted it a few pages back:

 

Inq: We aren't even people to you? 

 

Solas: Not at first. You showed me that I was wrong... again.

 

It's on this page. I also linked the video. 

[Almostfaceman]

He refers to ancient elves like Abelas when he says he took everything from the elves. He tells Abelas that other elves like the two of them still exist at the Temple of Mythal, as opposed to Elves like the Dalish and city Elves. Those are the elves that form his spy network, and are the ones he wants to save.

 

Again, there's no evidence for this, it's your supposition. The epilogue actually specifically doesn't mention ancient elves at all, except for one. Solas. 

 

Please provide a source clearly supporting this. Otherwise I have to treat it as head canon. Which is your right, but doesn't make any sense, since Solas in the ending dialogue is talking about the elves that were affected by his raising of the Veil, losing their immortality. The only ancient elves we run into are the ones in the Temple of Mythal and they're not facing an aging problem. 

[Abyss108]

Actually, that's not correct. Here's a snippet from the last dialogue with Solas, I posted it a few pages back:

 

Inq: We aren't even people to you? 

 

Solas: Not at first. You showed me that I was wrong... again.

 

It's on this page. I also linked the video. 

 

Yes, he says this if you are friends. He does not believe this at all if you are not, but still believes in his plan. Meaning the plan does not rely on him accepting the modern Elves as people.

 

The elves in the Temple of Mythal do have an aging problem. There is writing you can read which is written by Abelas mourning how other elves in the temple are aging and do not realise what they have lost.

 

Everything is head canon at this point - the game has not explained what any of this means. This is just what I see as the most likely explanation.