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[midnight tea]

Agree.
What i'm saying is that the same thing would have happened to Corypheus if he would have not lost the mark.

 

Corypheus was NOT supposed to get the Mark. Solas was. He explains it to us in Trespasser.

 

And considering that neither Cory nor Solas has not found a way to take the Mark from Inquisitor (up until it was pretty much disintegrating together with its hand and even then it seems like it was useless for him) how do you suppose he meant to take it from Corypheus?

 

No, Corypheus was never supposed to get the Anchor. In fact it's curious whether if he actually could, given how Blighted he was, hence Solas deemed it safe to let him try and unlock it and kill himself in subsequent explosion. It is within the realm of possibility that the Mark would never accept him and it only exploded and marked the Inky because it was the nearest person around (aside from Divine, who was the sacrifice there).

[German Soldier]

That the Inquisitor survived the backlash was 1.) the result of disruption of the ritual 2.) unexpected by absolutely anyone, be it Cory or Solas. He goes as far as calling Inky a mystery.

Besides - the Mark was NOT destined to land on either Cory's or Quizzy's hand. It was supposed to be on Solas's.

Don't call anyone blind if you're the one who ignores the obvious.

Oh...ehm...but...but... it was unexpected...it's a mistery.......Solas said...is mistery.....
The anchor saved the Inquisitor and it would have saved Corypheus as well without the need for him to use his ability,because that fool of Solas believed that nobody beside him was able to use the mark since he saw modern people akin to garbage.

In Solas twisted mind maybe,how he gains the anchor if he lost the orb?
If by obvious you mean "it was an unexpected mistery" then i don't see where is the obvious.

[Xerrai]

Agree.
What i'm saying is that the same thing would have happened to Corypheus if he would have not lost the mark.

Right, but Solas did not intend for Corypheaus to obtain the mark. He seemed surprised that even the Inquisitor could sustain it, let alone use it. So I think it is safe to say that Solas never intended for Corypheaus to obtain the mark.

 

All he intended was for Cory to die in the explosion that would occure when he unlocked the orb, not for him to obtain the anchor (at any point in time).

 

That the Inquisitor gained the mark seems to be some sort of cosmic fluke.

[German Soldier]

No, Corypheus was never supposed to get the Anchor. In fact it's curious whether if he actually could, given how Blighted he was, hence Solas deemed it safe to let him try and unlock it and kill himself in subsequent explosion. It is within the realm of possibility that the Mark would never accept him.

Whitin the realm of possibility of headcanons?
The Orb caused the explosion after that the anchor was bestowed not before.
In no point the anchor demonstrated to have an intelligence of it's own and this tool would have not refused Corypheus just as the Orb don't refused him,these are just tools.

[Xerrai]

It is within the realm of possibility that the Mark would never accept him and it only exploded and marked the Inky because it was the nearest person around (aside from Divine, who was the sacrifice there).

A bit off topic, but was it ever really confirmed when exactly the Divine died?

The opening scene made it look like she was already dead by the time we exited the fade (possibly by being a sacrifice in Cory's ritual), and yet the memories we recover in the Nightmare's realm imply that she was alive by the time we were pushed out of fade. The implication being she died while in the fade.

[German Soldier]

Right, but Solas did not intend for Corypheaus to obtain the mark. He seemed surprised that even the Inquisitor could sustain it, let alone use it. So I think it is safe to say that Solas never intended for Corypheaus to obtain the mark.

All he intended was for Cory to die in the explosion that would occure when he unlocked the orb, not for him to obtain the anchor (at any point in time).

That the Inquisitor gained the mark seems to be some sort of cosmic fluke.

Which is indeed my point.
The Orb is designed to release the anchor and then cause the explosion(this is what happened),these @midnight tea and @Almostfaceman persons think that is the contrary(explosion first,anchor later) because they didn't even understood what Solas said in Trespasser.
Solas gave the Orb to Cory because in his mind he was unable to obtain the anchor from the Orb in fact in Trespasser he never said that he just expected to the explosion to kill him(since it would have killed him and with him destroyed the anchor in his hand)no he mentioned how it was expected(in his mind) that Cory would have remained trapped within the Orb in the attempt to extract the mark from it.

[midnight tea]

Oh...ehm...but...but... it was unexpected...it's a mistery.......Solas said...is mistery.....

 

Oh... ehm... but its' a complete non-sequitur what you say right now.

 

The anchor saved the Inquisitor and it would have saved Corypheus as well without the need for him to use his ability,because that fool of Solas believed that nobody beside him was able to use the mark since he saw modern people akin to garbage.

 

But Corypheus isn't just "modern garbage" - he's a Blighted magister. Add to that the fact that many mysterious things happened in a Temple (the same Temple where - if killed - Leliana is miraculously brought to life and has insane amounts of lyrium underneath) AND the fact that Inquisitor. Disrupted. The. Ritual.

 

Having fun ignoring in-game facts you find unsuitable to fit your theory?

 

In Solas twisted mind maybe,how he gains the anchor if he lost the orb?

 

Because he would not lose the Orb if Cory and everyone in close proximity is dead 

 

If by obvious you mean "it was an unexpected mistery" then i don't see where is the obvious.

 

You don't even make any sense here. Saying stuff like that only shows that you keep missing the point. Saying that the 'obvious' cannot be the fact that Solas - or anyone really - expected for Inquisitor to disrupt the ritual and obtain the Mark does't change the fact that obviously there were complications to the plan neither Cory nor Solas could realistically predict. And the fact that Inquisitor was never threatened to have the Mark taken from them by Solas AND that Corypheus never managed to get it off their hand too obviously means that the Mark - once bonded with someone - is useless to anyone else. Hence your point about "Cory was supposed to get the mark" has been soundly disproven.

[midnight tea]

Whitin the realm of possibility of headcanons?
The Orb caused the explosion after that the anchor was bestowed not before.
In no point the anchor demonstrated to have an intelligence of it's own and this tool would have not refused Corypheus just as the Orb don't refused him,these are just tools.

 

Dude, even modern tools don't have to be *sentient* to have recognition programs, be it in terms of identity or the fact that someone is, say, human! You think that ancient magic - magic or enchantments that many times has displayed to have varying levels of sentience or ability to recognize what stuff is - can't work similar way, ESPECIALLY that we know that Solas orb was specifically assigned to him (the orb has a fingerprint pattern all over it)?? He even tells us that all in all he was the only one capable of wielding the Mark and surviving this in the long run, as evidenced by the fact that it eventually began disintegrating Inky's arm and threatened to kill them.

[midnight tea]

Which is indeed my point.

 

How can you say that your point is a cosmic fluke (Xerrai basically said exactly what I did, only in different words and you keep disagreeing with me) when you say that it wasn't a cosmic fluke and the orb basically worked as intended and would bestow the Anchor on anyone who wielded it during the ritual???

 

... The ritual that was disrupted. I repeat again.

 

The fact that Anchor came first and explosion second doesn't matter if you take that into consideration - it only strengthens the fact that both Anchor bestowal AND subsequent explosion were accidental. Ever since future Herald barged into the chamber things went NOT according to any plan, be it Cory's or Solas's.

 

Sorry, but I'm not the one here who has reading or listening comprehension issues.

 

 

The Orb is designed to release the anchor and then cause the explosion(this is what happened),these @midnight tea and @Almostfaceman persons think that is the contrary(explosion first,anchor later) because they didn't even understood what Solas said in Trespasser.

 

Oh? Enlighten me then how can I misunderstood Solas explicitly stating that after the orb killed Corypheus he would wield the Mark? There's no going around that statement. 

 

 

Solas gave the Orb to Cory because in his mind he was unable to obtain the anchor from the Orb in fact in Trespasser he never said that he just expected to the explosion to kill him(since it would have killed him and with him destroyed the anchor in his hand)no he mentioned how it was expected(in his mind) that Cory would have remained trapped within the Orb in the attempt to extract the mark from it.

 

Wow, talk about misunderstanding what character meant  How did you ever come to a conclusion that Solas thought that Cory would remain trapped in the Orb??? Solas explicitly states that the Orb was supposed to kill him. He absolutely never states anything of things you claim he did.

[German Soldier]

Oh... ehm... but its' a complete non-sequitur what you say right now.


But Corypheus isn't just "modern garbage" - he's a Blighted magister. Add to that the fact that many mysterious things happened in a Temple (the same Temple when - if killed - Leliana is miraculously brought to life and has insane amounts of lyrium underneath) AND the fact that Inquisitor. Disrupted. The. Ritual.

Having fun ignoring in-game facts you find unsuitable to fit your theory?


Because he would not lose the Orb if Cory and everyone in close proximity is dead


You don't even make any sense here. Saying stuff like that only shows that you keep missing the point. Saying that the 'obvious' cannot be the fact that Solas - or anyone really - expected for Inquisitor to disrupt the ritual and obtain the Mark does't change the fact that obviously there were complications to the plan neither Cory nor Solas could realistically predict. And the fact that Inquisitor was never threatened to have the Mark taken from them by Solas AND that Corypheus never managed to get it off their hand too obviously means that the Mark - once bonded with someone - is useless to anyone else. Hence your point about "Cory was supposed to get the mark" has been soundly disproven.

1)It does not matter how ancient Corypheus is for your perspective because for Solas perspective he is modern garbage as well.
I don't understand why you mentioned Leliana.


2)I'm hardly ignoring what was presented,the anchor was a shield against the side effects of the Orb if it saved the PC it could have been useful for Corypheus as well and help him to survive.


3)Your last arguments is extremely detached.
You are not disproving my points but merely discussing about trivial things that i did not even mentioned like "And the fact that Inquisitor was never threatened to have the Mark taken from them by Solas "
Or
"AND that Corypheus never managed to get it off their hand too obviously means that the Mark - once bonded with someone - is useless to anyone else. Hence your point about Cory was supposed to get the mark has been soundly disproven".

Who Cares?!?
When i discussed something like that?
and you were accusing me of non sequiturs?My point is that if the Inquisitor would have not been there Corypheus could have gained the anchor and with it being able to survive the explosion even without his hidden powers.

[midnight tea]

1)It does not matter how ancient Corypheus is for your perspective because for Solas perspective he is modern garbage as well.
I don't understand why you mentioned Leliana.

 

Missed my point by a mile again. It doesn't matter if Solas views him as modern garbage or not. Most of "modern garbage" isn't thoroughly Blighted.

 

Also - I gave you the reason why I mentioned it in the exact sentence, very clearly. Such statements only make it seem that you're either not reading comments carefully or you have some problem with reading comprehension.

 

2)I'm hardly ignoring what was presented,the anchor was a shield against the side effects of the Orb if it saved the PC it could have been useful for Corypheus as well and help him to survive.

 

Oh? Then how come Justinia survived, as briefly as she did? She didn't have an Anchor, so where's her shield? And if the Anchor managed to shield her due to proximity to Inky, how come it did not shield Corypheus? He stood closer to her when explosion happened.

 

See how you keep ignoring what's presented?

 

3)Your last arguments is extremely detached.

You are not disproving my points but merely discussing about trivial things that i did not even mentioned like "And the fact that Inquisitor was never threatened to have the Mark taken from them by Solas "

Or

"AND that Corypheus never managed to get it off their hand too obviously means that the Mark - once bonded with someone - is useless to anyone else. Hence your point about Cory was supposed to get the mark has been soundly disproven".

 

It's not my point that is detached - it's you who are all over the place and apparently keep forgetting the points you were trying to made somewhat earlier. I mentioned the fact that Inquisitor was never threatened to have the Mark removed by Cory or Solas as a point against your ridiculous and completely unsupported claims that Solas intended to bestow the Anchor on Cory, only to extract it from him once he traps him in the orb, when the extraction was soundly proven to not be an option. 

 

Who Cares?!?

When i discussed something like that?

and you were accusing me of non sequiturs?My point is that if the Inquisitor would have not been there Corypheus could have gained the anchor and with it being able to survive the explosion even without his hidden powers.

 

=_= And what was mentioned above was a clear argument against that position. The fact that you can't 2+2=4 is not my fault.

[dawnstone]

 

I keep wanting to say something, but I know I'll just end up wanting those minutes of my life back.

[midnight tea]

 

I keep wanting to say something, but I know I'll just end up wanting those minutes of my life back.

 

Don't worry, I'm wasting enough of mine.

[German Soldier]

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It is not an issue of reading comprehension but more likely that your parallels are so detached that they don't fit at all any point you wanted to present.

 

The only part in which i was wrong is the fact that he wanted to kill it with the explosion only.
That doesn't change however that the anchor would have prevented Corypheus from dying without the need of his blighted powers.

[midnight tea]

I watched the whole scene once again and Solas said that the explosion was mandatory not an accident like you claimed with thy statement "it only strengthens the fact that both Anchor bestowal AND subsequent explosion were accidental" there is nothing accidental here.

 

He didn't say anything about the explosion on the Conclave being "mandatory" - he only said that the explosion that was supposed when the Orb is unlocked to occur would kill Cory (and he absolutely never mentions anything about him acquiring the Anchor or being absorbed into the orb ). He never stated that it was supposed to happened the way it did (in fact he explicitly states that it was NOT) or had magnitude it had, especially that we see Cory's body get wiped by a far smaller explosion near Temple Of Mythal AND he got himself killed earlier by encounter with Hawke, which actually needed no violent explosions...

 

And AGAIN - absolutely nowhere he states anything that would suggest that he could predict what would happen at the Conclave if someone has disrupted the ritual - which is what happened in the end, and which throws your claims completely out of the window.

 

The only part in which i was wrong is the fact that he wanted to kill it with the explosion only.

That doesn't change however that the anchor would have prevented Corypheus from dying because of the explosion with out the need of his blighted powers.

 

...So you say that he wanted to kill him only to have Cory survive with the Mark, which Solas totally did not intend to bestow on Cory, but on himself?

 

Geez, talk about bending over backwards... You really sure you want to claim that it's people who like Solas who are unreasonable or blind? I mean, it doesn't even matter if you like him or not. What you say is either factually incorrect or incoherent.

[German Soldier]

 

 

My point is and i will not repeat it again on this thread until someone would like to challenge it with logic.

 

"Corypheus with the anchor would have been able to dodge the explosion like the Inquisitor did,that the explosion should be first to happen and the anchor only being released after it is pure speculation because in the game is shown the contrary."

[German Soldier]

He didn't say anything about the explosion on the Conclave being "mandatory" - he only said that the explosion that was supposed when the Orb is unlocked to occur would kill Cory (and he absolutely never mentions anything about him acquiring the Anchor or being absorbed into the orb ). He never stated that it was supposed to happened the way it did (in fact he explicitly states that it was NOT) or had magnitude it had, especially that we see Cory's body get wiped by a far smaller explosion near Temple Of Mythal AND he got himself killed earlier by encounter with Hawke, which actually needed no violent explosions...

 

And AGAIN - absolutely nowhere he states anything that would suggest that he could predict what would happen at the Conclave if someone has disrupted the ritual - which is what happened in the end, and which throws your claims completely out of the window.

 

 

...So you say that he wanted to kill him only to have Cory survive with the Mark, which Solas totally did not intend to bestow on Cory, but on himself?

 

Geez, talk about bending over backwards... You really sure you want to claim that it's people who like Solas who are unreasonable or blind? I mean, it doesn't even matter if you like him or not. What you say is either factually incorrect or incoherent.

If the ritual wouldn't have been disrupted the explosion would have been triggered the same because that is what Solas was hoping for to kill Corypheus (also there is no need to repeat the whole misunderstanding i had about the Orb because unlike others i'm able to recognize when i'm wrong)

There is nothing ambiguous here the explosion was a vital element in Solas plans to kill the magister and it was mandatory for his plans.

However in no point he said that the blast predate the releasing of the anchor.

you are the only one being inchorent here.

[midnight tea]

 

If the ritual wouldn't have been disrupted the explosion would have been triggered the same because that is what Solas was hoping for to kill Corypheus (also there is no need to repeat the whole misunderstanding i had about the Orb because unlike others i'm able to recognize when i'm wrong)

 

We're clearly getting into "what if's territory" and in that regard you cannot confidently state that, even with Corypheus' unexpected immortality, he would indeed end up with the Anchor in his hand. We don't know that, because guess what - this is not what happened. Things went in a completely different direction.

 

There is nothing ambiguous here the explosion was a vital element in Solas plans to kill the magister and it was mandatory for his plans.

 

That was not a point we were arguing about. The fact that explosion was supposed to happen doesn't mean at all that it was supposed to happen in any way it did.

 

However in no point he said that the blast predate the releasing of the anchor.

 

...Which only serves to support MY argument, not yours. The fact that he never mentions in what order it was supposed to happen means that we can never really know *what* was supposed to happen, if things went according to plan, other than Cory was supposed to be killed and Solas was to obtain the Anchor.

 

What we know for a fact however - and I mentioned it 4 or 6 times already, in very clear, consistent terms - that nothing went according to plan ever since Inquisitor entered the chamber and interrupted the ritual.

[BansheeOwnage]

I mean, why would Solas go through all the effort to create a Veil instead of go back in time to undo the Evanuris back when they were forming? Why does Mythal claims that "what was could not be changed"?

Well, if Solas plan does involve time travel (which I doubt and honestly hope it doesn't), he'd have to tear down the veil anyway to make it possible again. But that also begs the question of why the Evanuris and others didn't exploit time travel earlier. This is why you don't introduce time travel into a setting when you don't have to!

 

Sure you can... It's what humans do when they meditate, dream, or do other activities that stimulate right hemisphere functions of the brian, where perception of time seems to change or disappear.

But life wound be pretty messy if it were like that all the time, so it's probably a good thing our subconscious mind can't intrude on us 24/7. Imagine if life was like a waking dream all of the time. You'd have trouble knowing what was real and what wasn't (like in the Matrix). I imagine that's what it would feel like being stuck in the fade like Solas for a long time.

Dreams are so weird. Sometimes I wake up and it seems like no time has passed since the day before. Other times, it feel almost like years have passed. Like I've done so much, but don't remember any of it

 

 

It's very possible that entering eluvians and places like Crossroads or Vir Dirthara made things worse, but it's rather clear that the Anchor was acting up earlier and was gradually getting bad; possibly - as Cole mentions it - because the spell was about to run out or something; it's possible that Solas has never intentioned for the Mark to be anything other than a relatively brief thing. 

 

We don't really know why he didn't act earlier, but we also don't know if he wouldn't do anything act if he never found out about the Qunari. It's also possible that he was only able to get rid of the Anchor relatively safely only right before the spell itself was about to end.

When the mark started spreading I wondered if it was never meant to be contained just a hand. I figured if someone powerful enough like Solas or Flemeth had it, it would have already spread (or started) in their entire body, sort of like adding to their being. Possibly it would have made it more powerful as well.

 

So I wonder if Solas stopped it from spreading past your hand at first because he knew it would kill you if it went further. But that must have been a temporary measure, since it starts spreading eventually when Solas wasn't there anymore.

 

Huh, really? I didn't get that message from Sera. I assumed it was because I only checked it once at the start before we saw the mark act up, but I guess it could have been that she didn't like my character enough to write it.

Well, I've never had a full friendship with Sera, but I still got that note in her journal. *Shrug*

[German Soldier]

@Midnight

That's not a "what if territory" that was exactly Solas original plan to get rid of Corypheus , to use the explosion and kill him then retrieve the unlocked Orb.

I pointed out that this plan is stupid and flawed in nature because there is no guarantee that the anchor wouldn't have been released prior to the explosion(ironically this is what happen) and either being destroyed with it's owner by the blast or either allow its owner to survive(which is what happen) in either case Solas plans fail.

 

What do you mean the blast was not supposed to happen the way it did? 

That is speculation,an explosion is an explosion it cannot alter its effects drastically and it was simply meant to kill Corypheus.

 

It does not support your arguments it supports mine because it clearly show that the level of uncertainty in Solas plans was so high that his plans was doomed to fail from the beginning even without the Inquisitor's interference or the Corypheus immortality there were high chances for this plan to fail.

[midnight tea]

@Midnight

That's not a "what if territory" that was exactly Solas original plan to get rid of Corypheus , to use the explosion and kill him then retrieve the unlocked Orb.

 

I've said that in relation to you constantly claiming that if Inky didn't disrupt anything, Cory would simply obtain the Anchor itself. That we don't know that, *especially* since Inky actually being able to get and wield it was a surprise to everyone. It'd also like to point out however that it was Solas who helped to stabilize the Anchor and prevented it from killing them. So it's easy to assume that in a possible scenario where Cory obtains the orb, the same thing would happen to him - which would eventually mean that his body will likely disintegrate. And even if he hops to a new body, how does he gets to keep the Anchor, when it's physically linked to the body it inhabits???

 

I pointed out that this plan is stupid and flawed in nature because there is no guarantee that the anchor wouldn't have been released prior to the explosion(ironically this is what happen) and either being destroyed with it's owner by the blast or either allow its owner to survive(which is what happen) in either case Solas plans fail.

 

The fact that the plan was somewhat flawed is not in question - the thing in question is that you simply assume that Solas gave Cory the orb while being aware that it would bestow the Anchor on him. Then you keep overfocused on the fact that the Anchor was bestowed before the explosion (actually that's not true - we can see that something happens to Inky, but we can never tell if bestowal happened prior or after the explosion), while completely and utterly ignoring the fact that - again - the ritual never went according to plan. So the fact that the explosion happened after the Orb lit up literally means nothing.

 

 

What do you mean the blast was not supposed to happen the way it did? 

That is speculation,an explosion is an explosion it cannot alter its effects drastically and it was simply meant to kill Corypheus.

 

=_= Saying that "an explosion is an explosion" completely misses the point. No, depending on its magnitude and place it can produce wildly differing results. You can tell that the explosion of the magnitude that happened at the Conclave was an accident nobody has foreseen, because it created the Breach - one Solas was quick to risk everything to try and close, I'd like to point out.

 

 

It does not support your arguments it supports mine because it clearly show that the level of uncertainty in Solas plans was so high that is plans was doomed to fail.

 

The fact that Solas risked Cory opening the orb doesn't mean that there was a tremendous amount of uncertainty there. The Qunari also risked so much to try and attack South and guess what - it would have succeeded if not for things they could not really foresee, which was literally their spies being found ou by other party's spies. Same with Solas' plans - it's doubtful he could ever predict that Cory was effectively immortal and he most certainly couldn't have predicted what happened if Cory tried to open the orb in the Temple and had his ritual interrupted.

[midnight tea]

Well, if Solas plan does involve time travel (which I doubt and honestly hope it doesn't), he'd have to tear down the veil anyway to make it possible again. But that also begs the question of why the Evanuris and others didn't exploit time travel earlier. This is why you don't introduce time travel into a setting when you don't have to!

 

Well, that was sort of my point - why would Solas make an effort to create the Veil in the first place, if he could just turn back time. I suppose it could make sense if the Veil was supposed to be a temporary solution that was meant to prevent a sudden and overwhelming threat, but that doesn't necessarily means that it had anything to do with time travel or its prevention or enabling.

 

And IMO we will see more time magic in DA - Dorian after all researched it, and we do know that time is a malleable thing, at least so long as Breach existed. I have my doubts whether it's going to be a major point in the story though, or perhaps if it's not going to be used the way some think it will.

 

When the mark started spreading I wondered if it was never meant to be contained just a hand. I figured if someone powerful enough like Solas or Flemeth had it, it would have already spread (or started) in their entire body, sort of like adding to their being. Possibly it would have made it more powerful as well.

 

It's within a realm of possibility. It could also be that its spreading in Inky could be almost considered an 'allergic reaction'

I do find it interesting though that - in this gif, which someone created after moving the camera - we see Inky sort of have a double palm; with their own balled into a fist and the 'green' one being open - and whatever Solas does, it sort of seems to re-align them...

 

[Almostfaceman]

It does not support your arguments it supports mine because it clearly show that the level of uncertainty in Solas plans was so high that his plans was doomed to fail from the beginning even without the Inquisitor's interference or the Corypheus immortality there were high chances for this plan to fail.

 

Your whole argument is "something went wrong". That doesn't prove anything regarding how risky a plan is. Any plan can fail. 

 

Hindsight is making you feel like Solas should have had foresight. One does not equal the other. 

 

It was Solas's orb. He knew it would destroy Corypheus when Corypheus tried to open the orb. Whether or not it gave Corypheus a Mark wouldn't matter. Corypheus would be destroyed by an explosion. Solas could then come in later, pick up his orb and acquire the Mark and whatever else he needed to do what he wanted to do. 

 

Corypheus failed to secure his ritual area. 

Corypheus failed to hold onto the orb.

Corypheus used magic that could be interrupted. 

Corypheus picked a high-risk target to make some dumb political statement about the Maker. 

 

That's all actually on Corypheus. 

 

I mean, dude. Grab the Divine if ya gotta have her, take her to your secure hideout. Do your thing. 

 

Could Solas have foreseen all of Corypheus's mistakes? Yeah, that's not reasonable. 

[Lezio]

Your whole argument is "something went wrong". That doesn't prove anything regarding how risky a plan is. Any plan can fail. 

 

Hindsight is making you feel like Solas should have had foresight. One does not equal the other. 

 

It was Solas's orb. He knew it would destroy Corypheus when Corypheus tried to open the orb. Whether or not it gave Corypheus a Mark wouldn't matter. Corypheus would be destroyed by an explosion. Solas could then come in later, pick up his orb and acquire the Mark and whatever else he needed to do what he wanted to do. 

 

Corypheus failed to secure his ritual area. 

Corypheus failed to hold onto the orb.

Corypheus used magic that could be interrupted. 

Corypheus picked a high-risk target to make some dumb political statement about the Maker. 

 

That's all actually on Corypheus. 

 

I mean, dude. Grab the Divine if ya gotta have her, take her to your secure hideout. Do your thing. 

 

Could Solas have foreseen all of Corypheus's mistakes? Yeah, that's not reasonable. 

 

I didn't read the whole argument, but you're not saying that Solas has no fault for Corypheus actions, are you?

If that is the case i'm just gonna make ane example and leave it as that: Solas gave a child (funnily enough, someone he actually considers/ed a child) a gun with safety on and told him to, quite litterally, take the safety off. And don't tell me that if the child is extremely smart than it's ok, cuz Cory is anything but

[German Soldier]

I've said that in relation to you constantly claiming that if Inky didn't disrupt anything, Cory would simply obtain the Anchor itself. That we don't know that, *especially* since Inky actually being able to get and wield it was a surprise to everyone. It'd also like to point out however that it was Solas who helped to stabilize the Anchor and prevented it from killing them. So it's easy to assume that in a possible scenario where Cory obtains the orb, the same thing would happen to him - which would eventually mean that his body will likely disintegrate. And even if he hops to a new body, how does he gets to keep the Anchor, when it's physically linked to the body it inhabits???

 

 

 

This demonstrate that Solas plan was flawed since its design phase regardless of any unpredictable variable occurred along the road.

He did not considered the eventuality that the anchor may had bestowed from the Orb before the explosion and that as a result of it either being lost with the owner or being with the owner out of his grasp.

Even if Corypheus would have lost the anchor as the result of the explosion in order to resurrect himself

(you are assuming that he wouldn't have been able to dodge it like the inquisitor did and that the anchor wouldn't have been transferred to the new body)my point still stand and it's the simple fact that Solas would have lost his anchor.

 

 

 

The fact that the plan was somewhat flawed is not in question - the thing in question is that you simply assume that Solas gave Cory the orb while being aware that it would bestow the Anchor on him. Then you keep overfocused on the fact that the Anchor was bestowed before the explosion (actually that's not true - we can see that something happens to Inky, but we can never tell if bestowal happened prior or after the explosion), while completely and utterly ignoring the fact that - again - the ritual never went according to plan. So the fact that the explosion happened after the Orb lit up literally means nothing.

 

 

 

 

The problem is not that the plan was flawed but rather that i don't really understand how it could have been successful at all.

I'm not ignoring that the ritual was interrupted but rather that the Orb granted the anchor before to cause the blast and that we have no proof to say that if the ritual would have been completed it would have been the reversal.

What is to say that it was not Corypheus with his level of expertise to prevent the Orb to explode?Because from what i remember he did in fact unlocked the Orb and didn't make it explode until the Inquisitor stole it from him it was the Inquisitor who caused the explosion.

 

 

=_= Saying that "an explosion is an explosion" completely misses the point. No, depending on its magnitude and place it can produce wildly differing results. You can tell that the explosion of the magnitude that happened at the Conclave was an accident nobody has foreseen, because it created the Breach - one Solas was quick to risk everything to try and close, I'd like to point out.

 

 

 

The explosion was planned to be strong enough to kill a powerful mage like Corypheus it couldn't have been too weak.

 

 Same with Solas' plans - it's doubtful he could ever predict that Cory was effectively immortal and he most certainly couldn't have predicted what happened if Cory tried to open the orb in the Temple and had his ritual interrupted.

Perhaps That's a matter of miscommunication here.

Forget Corypheus immortality and even remove the Inquisitor from the equation even without these two things there were high chances for him to  fail.

 

Your whole argument is "something went wrong". That doesn't prove anything regarding how risky a plan is. Any plan can fail. 

 

 

Incorrect.

My whole point is that Solas plan was extremely flawed in concept even if we do not take into the equation the two variables that he did not predict which were the Inquisitor and the immortality of the magister.

 

 

 

Hindsight is making you feel like Solas should have had foresight. One does not equal the other. 

 

It was Solas's orb. He knew it would destroy Corypheus when Corypheus tried to open the orb. Whether or not it gave Corypheus a Mark wouldn't matter. Corypheus would be destroyed by an explosion. Solas could then come in later, pick up his orb and acquire the Mark and whatever else he needed to do what he wanted to do. 

 

 

What proof you have to say that the Orb was able to release more than one anchor?

From Corypheus he couldn't have gained it because it was permanent.

 

 

 

Corypheus failed to secure his ritual area. 

Corypheus failed to hold onto the orb.

Corypheus used magic that could be interrupted. 

Corypheus picked a high-risk target to make some dumb political statement about the Maker. 

 

That's all actually on Corypheus. 

 

I mean, dude. Grab the Divine if ya gotta have her, take her to your secure hideout. Do your thing. 

 

Could Solas have foreseen all of Corypheus's mistakes? Yeah, that's not reasonable. 

This doesn't make sense because doesn't match anything i said which pertain the probability for SOlas to gain the anchor from the Orb not of what Corypheus did with the Divine.