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[DebatableBubble]

It's a common story-telling device, redeeming the villain. Hellooooo, Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. 

Don't sully Star Wars by comparing it to Solas.

[Almostfaceman]

Don't sully Star Wars by comparing it to Solas.

 

Star Wars was sullied a long time ago by George Lucas. I certainly can't do any more damage than Jar Jar Binks. 

[DebatableBubble]

Hey, Jar Jar was the best. Shut up.

[midnight tea]

Hey, Jar Jar was the best. Shut up.

 

The most dangerous of Sith Lords.

[BansheeOwnage]

Yeah... asking someone to continue taking a drug because you benefit from it is disgusting... and anyone who thinks that's a viable option is equally so.

Look, I agree that asking/ordering him to continue taking it is not the right thing to do. My only point was that wanting him to take it until you deal with Corypheus, to keep your General level-headed and clear-thinking, is an understandable reason, even if I don't condone it. Therefore, not everyone who wants him to keep taking it "wants him to be a drug addict". Though, there really is no excuse for telling him to take it indefinitely.

 

Plus, it's not like you aren't using the black market to bring in crates of lyrium for the rest of the Templars in the Inquisition... Kind of forced hypocrisy there.

[Almostfaceman]

Hey, Jar Jar was the best. Shut up.

 

[BansheeOwnage]

 

He has the personality of men I'd avoid IRL. A sapiosexual Libertarian who won't shut the **** up about his superior Atheism and his super interesting dream journal.

Sounds fine to me Though I wouldn't call him an atheist per se.

[dawnstone]

Sounds fine to me Though I wouldn't call him an atheist per se.

Yeah, he likes the idea of a Maker as do a lot of agnostics, but having known some self-proclaimed gods he's rightly very wary of them in general. 

[mousesack]

And I don't think either Inquisitor, Solas or Bioware are naive enough to present a "all you need is love" option and just leave it at that. It's silly to think that those who romance/want to redeem him are just lovestruck women who think they can save a bad boy. IMO that's a pretty shallow and dismissive way to look at things.

 

That's not what I'm insinuating or thinking at all. I actually agree with you. You're being rather presumptuous.

 

Plus, if the hints we find throughout the game make things go where I think they may be going, we're gonna see a few twists that may yet change our perspective on not just whole of Thedas and its state, but why Solas thinks his actions are necessary. We don't have the full picture yet, after all.

 

I hope so. Putting aside the possibility of mass death and chaos, it would be interesting if an antagonist succeeded with their plans for a change. A new Thedas where anyone could develop magical talent and spirits could mingle freely with the material world would be amazing, and offers many storytelling possibilities.

[Medhia_Nox]

Look, I agree that asking/ordering him to continue taking it is not the right thing to do. My only point was that wanting him to take it until you deal with Corypheus, to keep your General level-headed and clear-thinking, is an understandable reason, even if I don't condone it. Therefore, not everyone who wants him to keep taking it "wants him to be a drug addict". Though, there really is no excuse for telling him to take it indefinitely.

 

Plus, it's not like you aren't using the black market to bring in crates of lyrium for the rest of the Templars in the Inquisition... Kind of forced hypocrisy there.

 

Unquestionably hypocritical... but I'm incapable of actually roleplaying in these games - so I can't very well appeal to all the Templars and offer them the chance to wean themselves from lyrium if they chose (or to stay on it if they chose).

 

The best I have... is to support Cullen's desire to get off his addiction and hope that other Templars who have wanted to - are inspired to followed suit. 

 

It's not like the man is begging me to stay ON lyrium... he's willing to play martyr because he's terrified of being sidelined AGAIN. 

 

@Ieldra:  Ignoring whether or not I agree or disagree with bio-ethics or abortion (not a relevant discussion).

 

Let's say I made a game that had a character you had "suspicions" were anti-bio-ethics and anti-abortion but doesn't say so until... at the very end... he reveals his plot to cease all stem-cell research and abortions.

 

Let's say that this character is smart - compassionate - affable and sagacious in every other way.  Would these qualities (the ones that would make you upset) not overpower that?  You "might" even go so far to say that someone who believes in stopping these things couldn't possibly be "smart" "compassionate" "affable" or "sagacious" because being against them is stupid, foolhardy and cruel.

So.. sure - that's how I feel about apocalyptic beings.  *shrugs*

[Neria Rose]

It's a common story-telling device, redeeming the villain. Hellooooo, Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. 

 

Hence my preference for Palpatine!

[Dean_the_Young]

 

 

What does Solas do in The DLC's that some people here like or maybe even love him so much. Because i know him only from my Inquisition game and i cannot imagine that someone gets truly romantic feelings for him. It's not that i do not like him for me it is in between i find him a bit a mister know it all and he is a little bit to elfy for me. There is nothing wrong with that ( he is an elf ). But i do like his stories when he tells about them but to really like ( love ) him then no not me.

  

You would probably say that i should buy the DLC's and find out myself i am planning to. But i have to wait a little longer so in the meantime you might tell me a little bit why you like ( love ) him so much ( or not ).

 

Thoughts ? 

 

 

He's an old bald genocidally racist white guy who dresses like a hipster.

 

What's not to love?

[Medhia_Nox]

He's an old bald genocidally racist white guy who dresses like a hipster.

 

What's not to love?

 

Why it gotta be WHITE?!

[midnight tea]

 

That's not what I'm insinuating or thinking at all. I actually agree with you. You're being rather presumptuous.

 

Was making a more general point. Probably should have made it more clear...

 

 

I hope so. Putting aside the possibility of mass death and chaos, it would be interesting if an antagonist succeeded with their plans for a change. A new Thedas where anyone could develop magical talent and spirits could mingle freely with the material world would be amazing, and offers many storytelling possibilities.

 

From the hints being made since DAO it does appear that either way Thedas will be going through some sort of major change (Sandal's prophecy, Lelliana's visions, Flemeth's comments), question is what that change would be. I do hope that we'd get something more interesting that "hero wins"... I mean, I suppose "antagonist wins" would be something new, but what I mean is that I hope we don't get a simple, black-and-white choice. I doubt we do, given that we're dealing with what appears to be a complex crisis and antagonist and I suspect we would not be offered a chance to redeem a character (or play our Inky as someone who's not necessary liked) if he was indeed utterly irredeemable.

 

Really at this point the story could go in new and interesting directions. I mean... what if our old protagonist would have a chance to become an antagonist? What if we could betray someone? What if we're going to be put in an impossible situation ourselves?

 

 

He's an old bald genocidally racist white guy who dresses like a hipster.

 

What's not to love?

 

Well, if you love misrepresenting a character then I suppose it's your thing...

[Vaseldwa]

How I feel about solas has somewhat evolved since I first played DAI. At first I was so in love! His voice, intelligence and he was pretty to boot. Then I got to know him more and well...the love wore off. I still love his character and he is one of my inquisitors best friends. Realistically however, like anders he will most likely need to be taken down in the next game. Although if there is a way to stop him with out killing him I will choose that first, I dont want to kill him despite what he has, most likley done, can and will do.

 

Of course this makes me think why do all mage companions (expect Dorian/wynne) have some secret plot or end up being friggin crazy!!!! GAAAAH  

Modifié par Vaseldwa, 31 mars 2016 - 04:22 .

[Dean_the_Young]

 

Well, if you love misrepresenting a character then I suppose it's your thing...

 

Misrepresenting implies that's not all true.

[lynroy]

Wow, people have different tastes in who they like romantically. What a surprise!

Stop with the logic and opinions, Dazzle!

[Addictress]

How I feel about solas has somewhat evolved since I first played DAI. At first I was so in love! His voice, intelligence and he was pretty to boot. Then I got to know him more and well...the love wore off. I still love his character and he is one of my inquisitors best friends. Realistically however, like anders he will most likely need to be taken down in the next game. Although if there is a way to stop him with out killing him I will choose that first, I dont want to kill him despite what he has, most likley done, can and will do.

 

Of course this makes me think why do all mage companions (expect Dorian/wynne) have some secret plot or end up being friggin crazy!!!! GAAAAH  

 

I suddenly have warm feels thinking about Dorian and Wynne hanging out together like pals 

[Xerrai]

***Warning: Really long post****

Solas? He is something of an....experiance.

 

Spoiler

 

When I first played the game (prior to any DLC release) as a human he was that guy that I disliked. He was right there with Vivienne in that respect. He had views that I thought were idealistic but ultimately lacking in realism (like being friends with Spirits. Legitimate friends apparently.). I thought he was that hobo that was a sad excuse of a person because he only seemed to be concerned about spirits and the Fade. The real world and its problems seemed, to me, a thing that he pushed from his mind and was only a thing he paid lip service to when necessary.

 

He was the rebellious grandpa that bitched about everything like a teenager rebelling against "the system" would--just doing it because the world isn't even remotely acceptable to him and acting out 'just cause'. Only he is very intelligent, has a smooth way of talking, and is actually articulate in his responses/reasoning.

 

It was only later in the game (particularly after his personal quest I think) that I began to view him differently. I saw a burst of emotion at having his friend killed, how the ignorance of the Circle mages ultimately rendered that which he cared for unrecognizable, how his disdain toward the Dalish and elves in general mostly stems from the inability for the world at large (human, elf or otherwise) to let them rise to anything greater than second class citizens, and how he cares. 

He cares.

About everything. Elves, Mages, (good) Templars, the poor and marginalized groups across Thedas, etc. I decided to bring him along for my questing adventures, and I literally saw him approve of a grand majority of my quests. Like.....just participating and going out of my way to help people, heedless to race and class, was something he approved of. (Meanwhile, bloody Sera (the supposed "people person") is mostly impartial to the things I do for whatever reason. I get no disapproval or anything, but no approval either except for a few choice quests).

 

Solas does care. With this revelation, I started to see him in a dramatically different light. His lack of readily apparent concern for the current conflicts of Thedas was more of a result from frustration and simply not knowing how to legitimately help. Not what I thought was a lack of interest entirely. His arguments that I thought were moderately crazy for a mage (again, 'friendly' spirits) seemed to have a grain of substance to them as I experienced some of these spirits for myself. His arguments about the state of Thedas seemed a bit more substantiated before because I am looking at it from a different lense, totally surprised that there is a bit--if not a lot--of validity in what he says.

I suppose it always had a bit of validity to it. But my opinion was too low of him to even try and look at it. Kinda like how I treated Vivienne, who I absolutely hated with a fiery passion at the time. You think of my opinion her now is bad? Try looking at me prior to experiencing Solas; my reaction to her now is more tame by comparison. Plus I see some of her virtues/ validity of some her arguments now as before I thought it was all hogwash.

 

When looked at from a certain angle (if you ignore the details), I found something in a character that I could relate to. Something that I still have trouble putting into words. Something about how despite having ideals about the state of the world, he does not know what to do it about it and budles up his emotions in a carefully articulated face that you show to others. But he doesn't do it because he wants to "blend in". He does it because he wants to, because he still has enough pride in himself to be able to stand tall, hold his beliefs and freely go about his life because that is what life is. Even if no one understands you, agrees with you, or if you are alone against the world that tries to push you into being a certain 'thing' because society says so. You have the right to stand tall despite it all.

 

Again, I am not quite sure what exactly he invokes in me. Some idea of the "human spirit" perhaps? Something powerful enough for me to think.

 

Solas made me think. About others, about myself. About how what I experienced in a game could be applied in real life (super cheesy, I know). A character who caused that, invoke emotion and self reflection like that....that is a character worthy of respect imo, regardless of their particular views.

 

I do not like Solas because of what his views are or what he did. I like him because he is more of a person that I ever give other videogame characters credit for. He was an experience.

 

My human play through was discontinued before I finished the main game. With my female Lavellan, I explored his character further and comepleted the main questline. The revelations at the end of the credits shook me. Made me question just how far someone of his deeply emotional disposition may go with his sort of convictions.

 

Needless to say, my outlook of him has drastically changed with the release of the Trespasser. To quote the slides from some Bioware meeting or another, it did indeed "give the feels". 

[ModernAcademic]

And then Solasmancers are lucky enough to meet someone with Solas' personality IRL and become traumatised by how much of a racist (anyone who's not from Arlathan is inferior) supremacist (elven glory shall rise once again) their boyfriend turns out to be.

 

Just stating that in case anyone missed the utterly frightening similarity between his speech and that other guy's from WW II, a certain Austrian with great rethoric skills whose speeches appealed to the masses, and whose name still makes people shiver.

 

In order for ONE people to survive - elves -, others must be killed. Elves above all! All hail Solas! 

[Dragongirl24]

 

 

The best funny Darth Vader ever Rick Moranis carries that movie the whole dark side carries that movie the light side are boring. 

[AnimalBoy]

I don't find him interesting at all. I think he's extremely boring and he's the only character where i don't bother to upgrade his skills, clothes or weapons.

[Ieldra]

Even if he was 'redeemed', how could you live with someone who seriously contemplated mass death, and had the means to actually pull it off?

I have occasionally contemplated the idea of killing off 80% of our home planet's human population in order to save the ecosystem that supports us all, and there were times when I might have pushed that button if it had been there. I'm also on record for saying the human species needs a genophage. I do think I'm hard to live with, but for completely unrelated reasons.

[Abyss108]

 

Let's say I made a game that had a character you had "suspicions" were anti-bio-ethics and anti-abortion but doesn't say so until... at the very end... he reveals his plot to cease all stem-cell research and abortions.

 

Let's say that this character is smart - compassionate - affable and sagacious in every other way.  Would these qualities (the ones that would make you upset) not overpower that?  You "might" even go so far to say that someone who believes in stopping these things couldn't possibly be "smart" "compassionate" "affable" or "sagacious" because being against them is stupid, foolhardy and cruel.

So.. sure - that's how I feel about apocalyptic beings.  *shrugs*

 

Not who you replied to, but this doesn't even make sense. In this analagy, Solas' views would not be anti-abortion. Solas would be pro-abortion, would spend the entire game shutting down other people who were anti-abortion, and then at the end would make a choice to ban abortion - not because he agreed with that, because he thought something even worse would happen if he didn't but not specify what that worse was, whilst fully admitting that what he was doing was terrible.

 

In that situation - no my views on Solas would not be the same as on a different character who thought being anti-abortion was cool. In this situation he has won my benefit of the doubt that there really is a reason he suddenly feels the need to do this and I would find out why.

[midnight tea]

Misrepresenting implies that's not all true.

 

LOL, because it isn't

 

 

And then Solasmancers are lucky enough to meet someone with Solas' personality IRL and become traumatised by how much of a racist (anyone who's not from Arlathan is inferior) supremacist (elven glory shall rise once again) their boyfriend turns out to be.

 

Just stating that in case anyone missed the utterly frightening similarity between his speech and that other guy's from WW II, a certain Austrian with great rethoric skills whose speeches appealed to the masses, and whose name still makes people shiver.

 

In order for ONE people to survive - elves -, others must be killed. Elves above all! All hail Solas! 

 

It's a strange sort of racist that showers Inquisitor with approval every time they show they care about others no matter of race and does what he can to save people from suffering, including revealing himself and his plans to a person/organization that has a chance to stop him (even if they despise Inky) and stopping an invasion that would plunge South in chaos and likely help him further his goals without anyone the wiser.

 

 

And yes, Solas was totally such a Hitler once already that despite absolutely loving the Fade and spirits he was forced to hurt them by creating the Veil, and - from the looks of it - now stands in a sort of a similar devastating dilemma that nobody in real life had: a prospect of either part of the world, or perhaps even entire world eventually dying or losing a part of itself that is important, while you have a chance to stop it, even if for a terrible prize that will eventually utterly destroy you.

 

But no - apparently the situation can't be more complicated than one's supremacist dreams. Apparently if your brain can't handle the complexity of a situation, then it must be Hitler.