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[Almostfaceman]

I didn't read the whole argument, but you're not saying that Solas has no fault for Corypheus actions, are you?

If that is the case i'm just gonna make ane example and leave it as that: Solas gave a child (funnily enough, someone he actually considers/ed a child) a gun with safety on and told him to, quite litterally, take the safety off. And don't tell me that if the child is extremely smart than it's ok, cuz Cory is anything but

 

Well consider whom I was quoting and that will give the context of my statement. For instance, I was replying to someone saying...

 

"...the level of uncertainty in Solas plans was so high that his plans was doomed to fail from the beginning even without the Inquisitor's interference or the Corypheus immortality there were high chances for this plan to fail."

 

Any plan can fail, as I said. That means any plan has risk.

 

With regards to Corypheus; Corypheus is totally responsible for taking the bait Solas dangled in front of him. Nobody made him acquire the Orb. He's a big boy, he makes his own decisions. 

 

Solas is responsible for dangling bait. Was his outlook for what the fish does with the bait unreasonable? No. It makes total sense that Solas would expect Corypheus to just take the Orb to one of his hideouts and blow himself up trying to open up the Orb. 

[BansheeOwnage]

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The fact that the plan was somewhat flawed is not in question - the thing in question is that you simply assume that Solas gave Cory the orb while being aware that it would bestow the Anchor on him. Then you keep overfocused on the fact that the Anchor was bestowed before the explosion (actually that's not true - we can see that something happens to Inky, but we can never tell if bestowal happened prior or after the explosion), while completely and utterly ignoring the fact that - again - the ritual never went according to plan. So the fact that the explosion happened after the Orb lit up literally means nothing.

I thought it went without saying that the Mark was bestowed before the explosion, since it was what kept Quizzy alive    I always thought something similar to the fall from the bridge in HLtA happened: Quizzy instinctively opened a rift in the nick of time that s/he and the Divine passed through and were spared from the explosion because they were no longer present for it.

 

Well, that was sort of my point - why would Solas make an effort to create the Veil in the first place, if he could just turn back time. I suppose it could make sense if the Veil was supposed to be a temporary solution that was meant to prevent a sudden and overwhelming threat, but that doesn't necessarily means that it had anything to do with time travel or its prevention or enabling.

 

And IMO we will see more time magic in DA - Dorian after all researched it, and we do know that time is a malleable thing, at least so long as Breach existed. I have my doubts whether it's going to be a major point in the story though, or perhaps if it's not going to be used the way some think it will.

Ah, I see, you were wondering why Solas wouldn't have used it before the veil, not after. My mistake. What I was mainly trying to say was that I find the introduction of time-magic rather inconsistent simply because I can't imagine people as powerful and learned as the Evanuris not using it, but there are no indications that they did.

 

It's within a realm of possibility. It could also be that its spreading in Inky could be almost considered an 'allergic reaction'

I do find it interesting though that - in this gif, which someone created after moving the camera - we see Inky sort of have a double palm; with their own balled into a fist and the 'green' one being open - and whatever Solas does, it sort of seems to re-align them...

 

Interesting gif! Hmm, I think this may not be intentional. In other words, I think the darker, crystalline forearm (that looks like a rift, interesting) we see is a separate model than Quizzy's actual forearm, which is made to glow in this scene. Presumably, since the camera angles are different in gameplay, you wouldn't see this inconsistency. It looks quite creepy though!

 

My interpretation of Quizzy closing her fist is that Solas has complete control of the Mark now, and there is no distinction between Quizzy's arm and the Mark anymore. So it mimics Solas' own movement (and it's also worth noting that Solas does indeed use his left hand).

 

Back to the crystalline comment: It seems like the Mark is slowly turning her body into the fade, or something like it. Perhaps this is why Solas could wield it fully, but not you, since the Elvhen were part of a world with no distinction between the fade and the material. Their bodies could handle it, or their bodies were already partly fade-y if you buy that they came from spirits. This also explains why Solas was surprised that any Inquisitor could handle (no pun intended) the Anchor. While he may have been right in the long run, people can live "without" a hand, so the Inquisitor would stay alive until it spread to something a corporeal being would need, like the heart.

 

Spoilered random unrelated thoughts:

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The movement in this scene is superb for Bioware. Solas' cape moving is especially pleasantly surprising! But am I the only one who hates the armour Quizzy's wearing? Or more specifically, the chest plate? Not just because I find the upwards-angled plate to be aesthetically displeasing, but because they bothered to have an entire conversation with Bull about how Cullen and other Templars are trained to angle shields down to prevent magic or acid from being redirected into their face. And then this armour does the opposite...   It's a wonder Quizzy's face is still intact! Thank the Maker for the Mirror of Transformation?

 

Well, that's a bit more of my babbling than I expected!

[Almostfaceman]

Incorrect.

My whole point is that Solas plan was extremely flawed in concept even if we do not take into the equation the two variables that he did not predict which were the Inquisitor and the immortality of the magister.

 

How could he predict things that are unpredictable and unknowable until after the fact? This is what I mean by you're mistaking hindsight for foresight.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But am I the only one who hates the armour Quizzy's wearing?

No, I don't like it either. But then I don't like any of the armors the Inquisitor got. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I didn't read the whole argument, but you're not saying that Solas has no fault for Corypheus actions, are you?

Yeah, it's totally his fault. None of what happened in DAI would have happened without Solas doing what he did, so he is partly responsible for all those things. 

[Almostfaceman]

What proof you have to say that the Orb was able to release more than one anchor?

From Corypheus he couldn't have gained it because it was permanent.

 

 

It doesn't really matter whether Corypheus acquired a Mark or not, he would be destroyed. Solas knew this, Solas planned for this. Solas knows how the Orb operates better than anyone else. It's his Orb. Solas knew he could acquire the Mark after the destruction of Corypheus. 

 

Corypheus had to go out of his way to do something incredibly risky and stupid to mess up this plan. 

 

For instance, conduct his ritual in an area more risky than it ever had to be. The answer is clear why he took this risk. He has a huge ego and he wants to make a very big statement about himself versus the Maker. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Yeah, it's totally his fault. None of what happened in DAI would have happened without Solas doing what he did, so he is partly responsible for all those things. 

It's worth noting that in a lot of stories, the hero is partially responsible for "creating" the villain, or giving them motivation. Criminals create Batman. Batman motivates the Joker. It seems a bit unfair to blame them for that, because most of the responsibility "pie" falls to the people who actually make the bad choices.

 

I'm not excusing Solas' worst points, but him trying to unlock the orb by killing Corypheus seems like a win-win. It seems more like Solas has cosmic bad luck when it comes to the outcome of his plans more than bad planning itself.

[Almostfaceman]

Yeah, it's totally his fault. None of what happened in DAI would have happened without Solas doing what he did, so he is partly responsible for all those things. 

 

The whole fault thing is interesting.

 

For example, I could say this is all the fault of the Evanuris. They murdered Mythal. If they'd never done that, Solas would have never raised the Veil to imprison them. 

[midnight tea]

Yeah, it's totally his fault. None of what happened in DAI would have happened without Solas doing what he did, so he is partly responsible for all those things. 

 

Actually it would. Corypheus might have not caused the Breach, but he would have also not let people focus around the cause (closing the Breach and stopping Cory).

 

Like... the Red Lyrium growing? The Nightmare murmuring scary things to Wardens and tricking them into making Cory a demon army? The Venatori schemes? The assassination plot on Celene? This wasn't organized in the fortnight and would still definitely happen and we'd likely have NO way of stopping him or his red-templar and demon army... because guess what - without events at the Conclave absolutely nobody would see that coming; since everyone was preoccupied with all the wars and conflicts and recuperation from the Blight and so on.

 

This is exactly why - ironically - Corypheus can be considered an unwitting savior of the world Thanks to his unforseen immortality and picking a high-profile target for his ritual he's made the South get itself from the ditch it was in and finally gain a foothold in a common cause to save itself from the brink of destruction. Not to mention that he was directly responsible for Inquisitor's rise to power.

 

And since you ascribe the entire 'fault' to Solas for that, well... Solas is as much responsible for trouble as is he for saving people in that case.

 

And this is what makes the BW story so interesting. It's never really black or white.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The whole fault thing is interesting.

 

For example, I could say this is all the fault of the Evanuris. They murdered Mythal. If they'd never done that, Solas would have never raised the Veil to imprison them. 

They can also be seen as partly at fault. I don't dispute that. Without them Solas would never have destroyed the world and commit genocide and now want to destroy the world and commit genocide again to fix the first time. 

To quote another villain who wants to destroy the world to save it, "Everyone creates the thing they dread."

 

It's worth noting that in a lot of stories, the hero is partially responsible for "creating" the villain, or giving them motivation. Criminals create Batman. Batman motivates the Joker. It seems a bit unfair to blame them for that, because most of the responsibility "pie" falls to the people who actually make the bad choices.

 

I'm not excusing Solas' worst points, but him trying to unlock the orb by killing Corypheus seems like a win-win. It seems more like Solas has cosmic bad luck when it comes to the outcome of his plans more than bad planning itself.

And the people who blame Batman for the Joker are right to do so. Batman certainly accepts that fact and partially blames himself, as we see countless times in the franchise. Again, I point to the Ultron quote.

 

He made a choice without any consideration as to the consequences. I'm not surprised since he doesn't even see people as people, at least at the time, but the fact remains that everything Corypheus does Solas is also responsible for, just like a person who gives a loaded weapon to a person they know could misuse it but think they won't. 

 

Actually it would. Corypheus might have not caused the Breach, but he would have also not let people focus around the cause (closing the Breach and stopping Cory).

 

Like... the Red Lyrium growing? The Nightmare murmuring scary things to Wardens and tricking them into making Cory a demon army? The Venatori schemes? The assassination plot on Celene? This wasn't organized in the fortnight and would still definitely happen and we'd likely have NO way of stopping him or his red-templar and demon army... because guess what - without events at the Conclave absolutely nobody would see that coming; since everyone was preoccupied with all the wars and conflicts and recuperation from the Blight and so on.

 

This is exactly why - ironically - Corypheus can be considered an unwitting savior of the world   Thanks to his unforseen immortality and picking a high-profile target for his ritual he's made the South get itself from the ditch it was in and finally gain a foothold in a common cause to save itself from the brink of destruction. Not to mention that he was directly responsible for Inquisitor's rise to power.

 

And since you ascribe the entire 'fault' to Solas for that, well... Solas is as much responsible for trouble as is he for saving people in that case.

 

And this is what makes the BW story so interesting. It's never really black or white.

While they may have happened at a later date, I think at the time Corypheus would have not mobilized his forces until he had a way to achieve his goal. He is ageless, so he has time. We know he waited years to enact his plan, since he tells us that. While yes the current conflicts were beneficial to him, new ones can always be created to cover his tracts when he was ready. 

Yep. He created the thing he dreaded: a force that would stop him. 

[Almostfaceman]

 

They can also be seen as partly at fault. I don't dispute that. 

 

 

I agree, I didn't think you were disputing this. I was just adding my two cents to the point. 

[midnight tea]

I thought it went without saying that the Mark was bestowed before the explosion, since it was what help Quizzy alive    I always thought something similar to the fall from the bridge in HLtA happened: Quizzy instinctively opened a rift in the nick of time that s/he and the Divine passed through and were spared from the explosion because they were no longer present for it.

 

Only the last thing we see before explosion is Inky writhing in pain, Corypheus jumping right at them and Justinia still hanging in the air. We don't really know what happened in that split second, nor why or how they survived (and why only Justinia and Inky found themselves in the Fade but not Cory), or when exactly the bestowal if the Anchor happened. Unlike HLtA this isn't really a clear moment.

 

Plus, we have to take into consideration that the place itself is special, given that it was an ancient temple with great power and mysterious purpose - and it had heaps of purest lyrium beneath it that is directly responsible for making lyriumghost!Leliana that is pretty much identical to the original. Which is sort of similar thing that later happened to ghost!Justinia - is it her? Or does she identify with her so much that she effectively her? Was Justinia in the Fade right after explosion the ghost already or the real deal? ... What if similar thing happened to Inky? They actually didn't survive, but were given a new body and chance in one split second? It's a wild speculation at this point, I know, but still a distinct possibility. Especially that the writers went out of their way to mention a ghostlyrium!Leliana in a way that makes it a rather big deal. It doesn't appear to be something just introduced for the lulz.

 

Ah, I see, you were wondering why Solas wouldn't have used it before the veil, not after. My mistake. What I was mainly trying to say was that I find the introduction of time-magic rather inconsistent simply because I can't imagine people as powerful and learned as the Evanuris not using it, but there are no indications that they did.

 

Right, which is why I have my doubts that time can simply be erased in a way it was suggested. I mean, that would make the story and timeline one giant mess  It's already enough that we know that IF the world eventually merges with the Fade, it can be shaped by will and imagination...

 

 

Interesting gif! Hmm, I think this may not be intentional. In other words, I think the darker, crystalline forearm (that looks like a rift, interesting) we see is a separate model than Quizzy's actual forearm, which is made to glow in this scene. Presumably, since the camera angles are different in gameplay, you wouldn't see this inconsistency. It looks quite creepy though!

 

It's entirely possible that it's just an unintended effect in animation. Still, there are things in cinematics that are oftentimes not shown yet are still there - like Solas holding romanced Lavellan's hand when he kisses her. Not anything we can see in cinematic, but yet a detail that bears significance.

 

 

My interpretation of Quizzy closing her fist is that Solas has complete control of the Mark now, and there is no distinction between Quizzy's arm and the Mark anymore. So it mimics Solas' own movement (and it's also worth noting that Solas does indeed use his left hand).

Back to the crystalline comment: It seems like the Mark is slowly turning her body into the fade, or something like it. Perhaps this is why Solas could wield it fully, but not you, since the Elvhen were part of a world with no distinction between the fade and the material. Their bodies could handle it, or their bodies were already partly fade-y if you buy that they came from spirits. This also explains why Solas was surprised that any Inquisitor could handle (no pun intended) the Anchor. While he may have been right in the long run, people can live "without" a hand, so the Inquisitor would stay alive until it spread to something a corporeal being would need, like the heart.

 

Well it could also be that... well... the mark belonged to Solas. the "Fade" hand follwing his movement might simply be because of the connection between it and its proper owner. Cole also mentions that "Your hand hurts. A heartbeat. Not yours. Hammering the beat of a song in its final verse. I'm sorry."

 

Though I'm not sure what it means   Hmmm... what if the Anchor was acting up because Solas himself was growing in power, and since it's technically HIS mark, Inquisitor is in that way pretty much directly connected to him. Yet since the power is overflowing and Inky has no body or trained will to handle this, their own body reacts the way it does.

 

I don't know what it means for the future though. But I can't help sometimes to think that - with some hints in the game, the comparisons, the bestowal of his own, important fortress into Inky's hands AND the recent revelations from Patrick Weekes, who suggest to look for visual similarities between post-epilogue scene with Flemythal and scene of meeting SOlas in Trespasser - sometimes it almost seems as if Solas... is grooming a successor. Maybe not a literal successor perhaps, but maybe someone who will inherit his struggles. That's a distinct possibility too. 

[midnight tea]

 

While they may have happened at a later date, I think at the time Corypheus would have not mobilized his forces until he had a way to achieve his goal. He is ageless, so he has time. We know he waited years to enact his plan, since he tells us that. While yes the current conflicts were beneficial to him, new ones can always be created to cover his tracts when he was ready. 

Yep. He created the thing he dreaded: a force that would stop him. 

 

 

Actually, Corypheus did organize his forces. It looks to me as if everything else was supposed to happened during or right after his ascension. Don't forget that Inquisitor practically unravels his plans at the very last minute - the Orlesian Ball was already organized and assassination prepared, the Wardens were already hiding in Adamant and creating demon army, including preparing a ritual that would let Nightmare into the world and the taking over of Templars or Mages happened even before the Breach was closed. Whenever Corypheus actually planned to become a god, he had everything else pretty much up and running.

[German Soldier]

How could he predict things that are unpredictable and unknowable until after the fact? This is what I mean by you're mistaking hindsight for foresight.

You are not even able to understand my point.

Even without the variables occurred(the immortality and the Inquisitor)Solas plan had immense chance to fail because was flawed in its concept since the damn anchor that he wanted so badly was released before of the explosion.

It doesn't really matter whether Corypheus acquired a Mark or not, he would be destroyed. Solas knew this, Solas planned for this. Solas knows how the Orb operates better than anyone else. It's his Orb. Solas knew he could acquire the Mark after the destruction of Corypheus. 

 

 

It matters a lot because the Orb is useless for Solas, without the anchor is just raw power and as i said you have no proof to say that it can release more than one anchor,Corypheus isn't able to craft another one from it.

 

had you being able to make a logical argument to prove that:

 

a)The completion of the ritual avoid the issue of the anchor being released prior to the explosion thus the anchor remain into the Orb for Solas

 

b)More than one anchor can be crafted from the Orb.

 

I would have been willing to listen,but you are just dancing around it.

[Lezio]

 

Actually, Corypheus did organize his forces. It looks to me as if everything else was supposed to happened during or right after his ascension. Don't forget that Inquisitor practically unravels his plans at the very last minute - the Orlesian Ball was already organized and assassination prepared, the Wardens were already hiding in Adamant and creating demon army, including preparing a ritual that would let Nightmare into the world and the taking over of Templars or Mages happened even before the Breach was closed. Whenever Corypheus actually planned to become a god, he had everything else pretty much up and running.

 

 

It must be said, though, that Solas' actions regarding the orb and Corypheus can't really be painted as "grey". Or, well, they can be just as much Loghain's can be painted as "grey" regarding Ostagar, after all it could be argued that if he charged into battle the whole army could have been destroyed and bye bye to the whole series of events that led to the HoF rise to power.

 

It's a stretch, in my opinion. Loghain turned tail out of paranoia and something good came out of it. Solas gave the orb to Corypheus, and, i don't think it's a stretch to say, he risked it specifically because he didn't particularly care about the wellbeing of Theodosians, and something good came out of it.  Again, in my opinion, both those actions are "evil" in nature and they don't become grey simply because "good" was born from them

[Almostfaceman]

 

You are not even able to understand my point.

 

 

First, we can disagree without pretending be able to mind read. I think your point about multiple marks is superfluous, inconsequential. I understand your point. I don't think it's important. We can disagree on your points importance, but this doesn't indicate a lack of understanding of the point. 

 

Solas knew that he could get the Mark after the Orb exploded. That was the plan. It was his Orb. He knows it best. There is no flaw in this concept that you can demonstrate. 

 

The only experience we've had with the opening of an Orb, is a flawed accidental one. It is not indicative of what normally would happen. You can't judge Solas's concept based on this experience. 

[midnight tea]

It must be said, though, that Solas' actions regarding the orb and Corypheus can't really be painted as "grey". Or, well, they can be just as much Loghain's can be painted as "grey" regarding Ostagar, after all it could be argued that if he charged into battle the whole army could have been destroyed and bye bye to the whole series of events that led to the HoF rise to power.

 

I never said that all his actions could be painted as grey or black or white, only that the effects aren't really black or white. Either way however - we still don't really know what Solas means when he says "I will save the People", nor what will really happen, nor if reasons he gave at the end of Trespasser are the only things that motivates him. From the looks of it it seems that there's far more to the picture that we're yet to see, so you can't claim with full certainty that he was acting out of "evil" or "sinister" purposes. 

 

Add to that the fact that he chose to kill off a bastard that was going to fall on the world with the force of a Bight itself still speaks in his favor - it may not have worked, and his later plans might have ended the world as it is now, but in itself the plan of eliminating a power-mad Blighted magister and his supremacist clique is hardly evil. Like I mentioned in post before, Corypheus WAS on a cusp of conquering the South with or without the Orb. Josie even points that out in the game after we get to Skyhold.

 

It's a stretch, in my opinion. Loghain turned tail out of paranoia and something good came out of it. Solas gave the orb to Corypheus, and, i don't think it's a stretch to say, he risked it specifically because he didn't particularly care about the wellbeing of Theodosians, and something good came out of it.  Again, in my opinion, both those actions are "evil" in nature and they don't become grey simply because "good" was born from them

 

If he didn't particularly care about the wellbeing of Thedosians he would have not bother with Cory and found other ways to open his orb, that may have been way more sinister than what was supposed to happen with Corypheus, who would have happily blown himself up if it wasn't for his body hopping. Add to that the fact that Solas "not caring about Thedosians" is disproven both by actions in base game (instead of chasing after the orb he risks everything - his life and plans - to help and save the world from Breach and Corypheus) and especially in Trespasser, where he goes out of his way to save Inquisitor (even if he doesn't like them) and the South, even if it would greatly benefit him to do the exact opposite.

 

I mean, he even had a fantastic excuse to sneakily eliminate Inky out of the picture - just close the eluvians, let Inky die after Daarvarad and blame everything on the Qunari! In fact, why would he even bother to disrupt the Qunari plan? They'd just blow Southern leadership to smithereens and then lead an invasion, which would only help him organize the Veil tearing party in the shadows, without anyone the wiser.

[midnight tea]

First, we can disagree without pretending be able to mind read. I think your point about multiple marks is superfluous, inconsequential. I understand your point. I don't think it's important. We can disagree on your points importance, but this doesn't indicate a lack of understanding of the point. 

 

Solas knew that he could get the Mark after the Orb exploded. That was the plan. It was his Orb. He knows it best. There is no flaw in this concept that you can demonstrate. 

 

The only experience we've had with the opening of an Orb, is a flawed accidental one. It is not indicative of what normally would happen. You can't judge Solas's concept based on this experience. 

 

I wonder if you should bother pointing out that once can't judge the opening of the orb on a one-time event that went completely off script, both for Solas AND Corypheus. I mean, I myself repeated it like 10 times already and it still didn't seem to be acknowledged - all I got in return was just meandering and circular reasoning...

[German Soldier]

 

Solas knew that he could get the Mark after the Orb exploded. That was the plan. It was his Orb. He knows it best. There is no flaw in this concept that you can demonstrate. 

 

 

I have strong reasons to believe that the anchor is unique and that once is bestowed it cannot be replicated from the same foci.

Here someone was arguing that Solas failed because of some sort of cosmic bad luck but that is a falsehood,Solas failed becasue his plan was brutally flawed from the start.

[Almostfaceman]

I wonder if you should bother pointing out that once can't judge the opening of the orb on a one-time event that went completely off script, both for Solas AND Corypheus. I mean, I myself repeated it like 10 times already and it still didn't seem to be acknowledged - all I got in return was just meandering and circular reasoning...

 

It doesn't hurt to try. 

 

Plus, I make an argument that is public. So anybody can read it and join in to disagree or agree. It doesn't hurt to repeat the point to some extent, as long as we don't become guilty of spamming. Also, a point made several times is easier to be detected in a long thread, where ideas can get buried by people who don't want to dig very much into the content. 

[German Soldier]

I wonder if you should bother pointing out that once can't judge the opening of the orb on a one-time event that went completely off script, both for Solas AND Corypheus. I mean, I myself repeated it like 10 times already and it still didn't seem to be acknowledged - all I got in return was just meandering and circular reasoning...

I can say the same for your arguments they were even more circular than mine since they  explained  SOlas plan through suppositions and hyperbole like this one

"we can't judge becasue is the first time we have seen an Orb" ecc..

[straykat]

Not sure where to put this.

 

I don't like Solas, but it's funny that he's probably got the highest approval out of all followers on my new playthrough. My character likes Solas, I guess. Just not me.

 

I centered it all on one line. "You fall asleep in ancient ruins?" Long story. My character is an explorer.

[midnight tea]

I can say the same for your arguments they were even more circular than mine.@midnight.

 

In what way is it circular? ... because I keep pointing out holes in your logic by bringing up the one fact that ruins your main assumption and you do everything to tiptoe around? That's not circular - that's called being consistent.

[German Soldier]

Which holes?

Your arguments were crafted upon suppositions while mine by two simple observations.

1)That the anchor was released before of the explosion

2)That the anchor protected the owner from the explosion.

 

Two facts that  are far more valuable than all of yours speculations  of

 

"it's a mystery ,or we have never seen an Orb before ,or the ritual was incomplete ecc.."..

or the other user who even speculated that the orb can release more than one anchor.

[Almostfaceman]

 

Which holes?

Your arguments were crafted upon suppositions while mine by two simple observations.

1)That the anchor was released before of the explosion

2)That the anchor protected the owner from the explosion.

two facts that  are far more valuable than all of yours speculations

 

 

Not really, because this opening of the Orb was unique. Not typical. Not foreseeable in a reasonable manner. Too many chaotic factors were involved. 

 

Observations made in a controlled environment accounting for variables... observations that are repeatable... are what tell us what to expect from a "typical" or "expected" result. 

 

This is why Solas felt confident about what would happen with the Orb. Without all the crazy unpredictable stuff happening, the Orb reacts in a predictable fashion.