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Why do some of you girls maybe guys like ( love ) Solas so much ?


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Whoa now, that's going far. He doesn't put the Inquisitor to sleep, the Inquisitor seeks him out while they are already dreaming. There is dialogue that supports this that is often overlooked.
Solas: To visit me here, and you not even a mage.
Implying he was sought out. Then there's this:
Inquisitor: I had some odd dreams. Very odd. With very odd people in them, for that matter.
Solas: I will take that as a compliment, given that you include yourself. Remember, you came looking for me.
He's not invading anyone's privacy, he was invited. Also, Solas doesn't seduce Lavellan, she is the one that makes the moves on him. She flirts first and he flirst back. She kisses him first to which he responds in kind. There is also no sex in this scene as Solas is the one who brings the kissing to a halt.


Lol I need to start picking the more fun dialogue options.

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^^Bottom dialogue option after the fade scene.

 

 

Although I think the interpretation of the relationship as having a sexual component has been retconned away to be honest since he says this in Trespasser when a certain option is selected;

 

Inquisitor: "And so he did." 

Solas: "I did not. I would not lay with you under false pretenses."

 

3) I admit I am not fond of that bit because that is a pet peeve of mine to see but since I believe it is open for interpretation as to why he does it and how the Inquisitor feels about it, I can tolerate it. I know others are likewise not fond of it.  
 

Actually, that was not retconned. The "under false pretenses" line is meant to be ambiguous to account for player head canon as to whether or not Solas and their Lavellan had sex. Here's the shortened explanation:
1) They don't have sex because he was already lying to her about his complete identity.
2) They had sex, Solas is saying he did not lay with her as the Dread Wolf, his feelings for her were genuine and not a trick. He would not have done so if he didn't genuinely love her.


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We need more smiling Solas in this thread!

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<3 I do love his smile. Good jorb animation team!


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^^Bottom dialogue option after the fade scene.
 

Actually, that was not retconned. The "under false pretenses" line is meant to be ambiguous to account for player head canon as to whether or not Solas and their Lavellan had sex. Here's the shortened explanation:
1) They don't have sex because he was already lying to her about his complete identity.
2) They had sex, Solas is saying he did not lay with her as the Dread Wolf, his feelings for her were genuine and not a trick. He would not have done so if he didn't genuinely love her.


I always love the dialogue option that leads to teasing him about "starting with the fade tongue". He gets so adorably flustered!
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"while this world burns in the roiling chaos"

"this world must die" 

"if they must die, I would rather they have peace before the end"

 

 

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I always love the dialogue option that leads to teasing him about "starting with the fade tongue". He gets so adorably flustered!

:lol:, "I did no such thing!" Pfft, like that must have been pretty intense, Solas. Then again, I don't keep score, myself, it's just one of those things that sort of happens. XD 

 

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It is a joke but to be fair, Solas does behave like a bad boy quite a lot.

 

Not a good joke, that. And before you make too many assumptions, no I wasn't the one you got a warning point from. I can certainly see why people have issues with your rhetoric though...

 

Now... Having characteristics of a bad boy doesn't make it a sole reason to attract people to him, women or not.

 

1) He puts you to sleep without your consent and the proceeds to seduce you (and possibly f*ck you) in your dreams. I find it ironic how no one considers this as a form of sexual assault or violation of the mind given that we live in a time where the cultural narrative says that women cannot give consent when they are inebriated. Logically, Solas be seen as a sex offender or a privacy offender.

 

Wow... this is desperate.

 

Let's start from the beginning: no, he doesn't put anyone to sleep. It's established in the game that it's Inquisitor who had found Solas in dreams. The sequence in Skyhold where we ask him to tell more about himself? It's already a dream. It confuses people, because there's no clear line between a time where Inky is awake and asleep, but this is how the scene is intended to be, as Solas informs us that it was Inquisitor who has sought them out in the Fade.

 

Second... what the hell are you smoking?

 

It's Lavellan who initiates flirting and first sexual contact (until "I've felt the whole world change" all the dialogue is identical for every Inky, romanced or not) and if Lavellan doesn't pick a heart option first not only Solas acts in no way flirty or sexual, but the entire romance is dropped and never brought again!

 

And what's with the "possibly f*ck you"? Where do you get it from, other than your wild imagination? ... And after all this YOU accuse others of basing things not on in-game facts, but fanfiction or hedacanon??? ....The psychological projection on this scale is simply mind-boggling  :o

 

There is absolutely nothing in the scene that would suggest that Solas did anything to Lavellan other than kissed her back - and stopped himself in the middle of it. And during the time he kissed her Lavellan makes no indication that she's shocked or repulsed by it. Even Cullenmancers have more of a shocked reaction at a sudden kiss, and Cullen was the one that initiated it.

 

And what's with the "inebriated" nonsense? Being in the Fade is hardly like being intoxicated; there's absolutely no piece of lore that could support such claim. Don't you realize how badly you undermine your own credibility in this discussion by jumping out of the woodwork with things like THAT?

 

2) He exhibits a general attitude of aloofness and indifference which bad boys do exhibit. He even says that bedding you is a side benefit of his attitude. I am surprised at the sheer number of female Lavellans that want to be treated as a side benefit.

 

Being smooth is not just a domain of bad boys. So is general aloofness and indifference - many scientists, professors or artists are also that way. I know, because oftentimes, especially when in crowded space, I am aloof and fairly detached - and I'm not a bad boy, nor even a boy.

 

Also - I'm amused that you spin Solas's lighthearted tongue-in-cheek response as "being treated as a side benefit" when it's Lavellan that first jokes that he's basically playing being grim and pessimistic to beg himself into her bed. That only shows that they can be a little cheeky when they flirt, possibly in an attempt to see who is going to get flustered first. It's hardly Solas and Lavellan who do that too - Dorian is all about such flirting, and treats it all in a same lighthearted way.

 

3) He breaks up with you but he stalks you in your dreams. I find it weird how people, especially women, do not consider this a form of harassment. Then again, women are perfectly okay with Edward Cullen and Christian Grey, who do the stalking thing as well.

 

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Now.. the "stalking" ONLY happens when Lavellan doesn't give up with him, and with the way the Fade works (AND the fact that it's Inky who finds Solas in the Fade first, as mentioned way above) it's more than possible that it's both of them who do the "stalking", especially that epilogue slides make it very clear that she tries to reach for him every time she notices that he's around and that she "searches and dreams and waits for a way to change a Dread Wolf's heart".

 

In many ways, Solas and Morrigan are quite similar. Both treat the protagonists as tools and as useful idiots to get what they want. Their supposed "care" for the protagonist, if romanced, is secondary or superficial since once they get what they want or once its clear they do not get what they want, they leave the protagonist.

 

Leaving a protagonist =/= not caring or caring only superficially. We know there are a ton of reasons why characters can leave someone, no matter how they care. I mean, Alistair can do it too, doesn't he? And Divine!Cassandra leaves Inky to do Divine business. In fact many companions go their own way after they're done with main campaign, even if not as suddenly.

 

And again, I'd like to point out that Solas has saved a "useful idiot" in Trespasser, even if it by all means this conflicts with his plans. 

 

I personally find the way many women react to Solas is very much similar to the way many men react to Morrigan. They are deluded and have to rely on metagame like the word of the writer instead of what is in the game itself as well as rely on things such as headcannons and fanfictions.

 
Edit:- I have been given a warning for saying that Solas is a bad boy and for posting a meme. Guess someone here got their fragile fee-fees triggered. Smh.

 

Who's trying to rely on metagame here? You yourself recently made an argument that is entirely reliant not even on word of author, but a vague possibility of a retcon and discrediting of a writing team/developers. It's grasping-at-straws-palooza, it's so bad.

 

I'd also like to point out that the word of writer is predominantly brought as a supplementary material and mostly focused on when it's becoming obvious that no game facts people cite will convince some to even consider that their interpretation of character may be... somewhat flawed or incomplete.

 

Plus... are the authors in denial about their own creations as well? Because that's what you're suggesting. You're suggesting that they wrote a story that supports a vastly different vision of a character that they've intended to write or keep writing. I mean, it's not like it's unheard of in fiction. But I'd like to point out that far more people than just "deluded women" (or authors), which includes men and people who never romanced him, see either characters of Solas or Morrigan in a very different way from yours.

 

It probably should tell you something...


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Edit:- I have been given a warning for saying that Solas is a bad boy and for posting a meme. Guess someone here got their fragile fee-fees triggered. Smh.

 I had one warning because i said that TheKomandorshepard was railoading a thread....one try to do good and is harmed...



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1) They don't have sex because he was already lying to her about his complete identity.
2) They had sex, Solas is saying he did not lay with her as the Dread Wolf

The first point make sense the second  one doesn't make sense.



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It is a joke but to be fair, Solas does behave like a bad boy quite a lot.

 

1) He puts you to sleep without your consent and the proceeds to seduce you (and possibly f*ck you) in your dreams. I find it ironic how no one considers this as a form of sexual assault or violation of the mind given that we live in a time where the cultural narrative says that women cannot give consent when they are inebriated. Logically, Solas be seen as a sex offender or a privacy offender.

 

2) He exhibits a general attitude of aloofness and indifference which bad boys do exhibit. He even says that bedding you is a side benefit of his attitude. I am surprised at the sheer number of female Lavellans that want to be treated as a side benefit.

 

3) He breaks up with you but he stalks you in your dreams. I find it weird how people, especially women, do not consider this a form of harassment. Then again, women are perfectly okay with Edward Cullen and Christian Grey, who do the stalking thing as well.

 

If you want actual reasons instead of humor, here is one:-

 

 

In many ways, Solas and Morrigan are quite similar. Both treat the protagonists as tools and as useful idiots to get what they want. Their supposed "care" for the protagonist, if romanced, is secondary or superficial since once they get what they want or once its clear they do not get what they want, they leave the protagonist.

 

I personally find the way many women react to Solas is very much similar to the way many men react to Morrigan. They are deluded and have to rely on metagame like the word of the writer instead of what is in the game itself as well as rely on things such as headcannons and fanfictions.

 

Edit:- I have been given a warning for saying that Solas is a bad boy and for posting a meme. Guess someone here got their fragile fee-fees triggered. Smh.

Morrigan doesn't want to destroy the world though. Other then that, she does actually warn the Warden that he'd be best for him to end their relationship (though I admit that I don't have much knowledge about Solas' romance path). I do think that botch care about the Warden and the Inquisitor, in some ways, regardless if they're romanced.

 

Also, Morrigan and the Warden do end up together, and the latter is supposed to return and raise Kieran together. I have no clue how Bioware will deal with Solas' and the Inquisitor's romance. The path seems a bit more complicated.



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But I'd like to point out that far more people than just "deluded women", which includes men and people who never romanced him, see either characters of Solas or Morrigan in a very different way from yours.

 

It probably should tell you something...

and there are many others as well who see them both as he does it simply tells that people are different and those who dislike them for their misdeeds aren't wrong.


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<3 I do love his smile. Good jorb animation team!

  

Am I the only one that thinks the top of Solas' head is a moon when scrolling down and, then, is like "oh, haha Solas head!" when I get to the face. Just me? K Someone seriously needs to superimpose the moon on his bald head!


:lol:, "I did no such thing!" Pfft, like that must have been pretty intense, Solas. Then again, I don't keep score, myself, it's just one of those things that sort of happens. XD 


Lol, I know, he actually sputters out that line, "I did no such thing!" Beautiful intelligent Solas reduced to sputtering out a denial of fade tongue is priceless!
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Am I the only one that thinks the top of Solas' head is a moon when scrolling down and, then, is like "oh, haha Solas head!" when I get to the face. Just me? K Someone seriously needs to superimpose the moon on his bald head!



Lol, I know, he actually sputters out that line, "I did no such thing!" Beautiful intelligent Solas reduced to sputtering out a denial of fade tongue is priceless!

Ahaha! Yes, when those new photos of Pluto were coming out, scrolling up on Tumblr I'd be like, "Pluto or Solas, Ah! Solas." :Dtumblr_nwdd5cVNnV1ti6f3so1_r3_250.gif


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Guys.

I'm going to be so frustrated if they don't have a violent Solavellan makeout scene in DA4 I swear to the maker.

Am I the only one?
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Guys.

I'm going to be so frustrated if they don't have a violent Solavellan makeout scene in DA4 I swear to the maker.

Am I the only one?

 

Well..... uh.....


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Guys.

I'm going to be so frustrated if they don't have a violent Solavellan makeout scene in DA4 I swear to the maker.

Am I the only one?

The Inquisitor might not even be in, or given the Hawke treatment. I think it's best to not expect much on this department. 



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Ahaha! Yes, when those new photos of Pluto were coming out, scrolling up on Tumblr I'd be like, "Pluto or Solas, Ah! Solas." :Dtumblr_nwdd5cVNnV1ti6f3so1_r3_250.gif


Awwww, a Pluto image with the heart thing photoshopped on his head would be adorable. Our little Pluto head, lol!
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Guys.
I'm going to be so frustrated if they don't have a violent Solavellan makeout scene in DA4 I swear to the maker.
Am I the only one?


No! No you are not!
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Guys.

I'm going to be so frustrated if they don't have a violent Solavellan makeout scene in DA4 I swear to the maker.

Am I the only one?

I'm not saying that I wouldn't pay money for something like that, buuuut I did splurge on the Sims 4 just so I could give my Lavellan a babies-ever-after ending with him in "another world". So, EA gets my money one way or another.

 

A cinematic makeout where neither of them is dying would be nice, if unlikely.


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The first point make sense the second  one doesn't make sense.

It would make more sense if you didn't cut off the rest of the sentence. I don't know if I can explain it in such a way that it would make more sense, it might cause more confusion. They are talking about the Dread Wolf at that point in the conversation. Remember, Solas says Dread Wolf was a title he was given, "not unlike Inquisitor, I suppose." So the conversation continues as follows:
"And now you know. What is the old Dalish curse? 'May the Dread Wolf take you?'"
"And so he did."
"I did not..."
He's saying he didn't lay with her using his title, his title that is associated with trickery and deception by the Dalish now. He didn't use this title during any point he was with her, he was always Solas. It's another reassurance to Lavellan that his feelings were genuine, there was no trickery or deception of the Dread Wolf, and he wouldn't have had sex with her otherwise. Or else it would be false pretenses and the Dread Wolf would be playing dirty tricks.

 

Not sure that made it less confusing...


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I'm not saying that I wouldn't pay money for something like that, buuuut I did splurge on the Sims 4 just so I could give my Lavellan a babies-ever-after ending with him in "another world". So, EA gets my money one way or another.
 
A cinematic makeout where neither of them is dying would be nice, if unlikely.


I'll even be generous enough to say that all inquisitors should be blessed with a Solas make out scene to complete the game! Wouldn't want anyone to miss out on the Solas love! He has moves!
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I'll even be generous enough to say that all inquisitors should be blessed with a Solas make out scene to complete the game! Wouldn't want anyone to miss out on the Solas love! He has moves!

He does, but so does Lavellan! :D

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It would make more sense if you didn't cut off the rest of the sentence. I don't know if I can explain it in such a way that it would make more sense, it might cause more confusion. They are talking about the Dread Wolf at that point in the conversation. Remember, Solas says Dread Wolf was a title he was given, "not unlike Inquisitor, I suppose." So the conversation continues as follows:
"And now you know. What is the old Dalish curse? 'May the Dread Wolf take you?'"
"And so he did."
"I did not..."
He's saying he didn't lay with her using his title, his title that is associated with trickery and deception by the Dalish now. He didn't use this title during any point he was with her, he was always Solas. It's another reassurance to Lavellan that his feelings were genuine, there was no trickery or deception of the Dread Wolf, and he wouldn't have had sex with her otherwise. Or else it would be false pretenses and the Dread Wolf would be playing dirty tricks.

 

Not sure that made it less confusing...

Bioware never had any sort of problem in script romance scenes so why they would have to make an exception for Solas?
To me Solas is simply saying that he would have not laid under the false pretence with whom the Inqusitor knew Solas at the time,an elf apostate rather than an ancient elf of Arlathan which was the owner of the Orb.


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@Almostfaceman:  Are you saying that Solas is not smarter nor wiser than the PC? 

 

Are you saying that the perception of being smarter or wiser is not one of the reasons people enjoy Solas' character? 

 

And are you saying that you do not trust Solas' plan?


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and there are many others as well who see them both as he does it simply tells that people are different and those who dislike them for their misdeeds aren't wrong.

 

Sure, people are different and can interpret character differently - that is not an issue.

 

The issue is that if someone has to demonstrably bend over backwards to twist facts/in-game facts, dismiss or discredit writers when the vision of own characters or story doesn't match theirs, make oversimplifications or logical fallacies visible from miles away and on top of that are condescending and dismiss people on the other side as "deluded" or "women who like bad boys and don't mind stalkers", it automatically undermines their entire position.

 

I mean, you can't pretend not to see what's happening here.


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