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[Medhia_Nox]

So you're telling me, if Solas went "I am Fen'Harel ancient elvhen god of rebellion. I didn't really betray the gods out of spite, I did it to save the world plus enact my revenge because they killed Mythal. Also I have an orb that I gave to Corypheaus, but I messed up because he actually survived the explosion." you'd totally believe that....

 

Yeah.....I find it really dubious that Solas telling anyone about any of the truth at the Conclave ruins would have brought him nothing more than Templars dragging him in chains for being a mad man that thinks himself an ancient elf (impossible by their standards) and part of the elvhen pantheon (heresy by even Dalish standards). Even the Inquisitor wouldn't be likely to believe him.

 

Him telling anyone about who he was or what he did, prior to the revelations at the Temple of Mythal at least (and I'm being generous), would be nothing short of stupidity (no offence).

 

Except that he's the only one that can teach the Inquisitor how to close the giant whole in the sky.  

 

Whether anyone would have liked it or not... I would have had the first half of the game with Solas "residing" in the cells of Haven... and when you want to adventure with him, it's because he's a specialist.  

 

Yes, he's scheduled for a trial and execution (just like the Inqusitor originally is I might add) - but because he's the only one that knows what's going on... you can't just get rid of him. 

 

Anyway... you can hate it.  I'm not saying I'm writing a masterpiece here... but I would have thought of him differently, yes. 

 

EDIT: Also, please don't bother with "no offense" to me... I cannot be offended by strangers on the internet. 

[Xerrai]

Except that he's the only one that can teach the Inquisitor how to close the giant whole in the sky.  

 

Whether anyone would have liked it or not... I would have had the first half of the game with Solas "residing" in the cells of Haven... and when you want to adventure with him, it's because he's a specialist.  

 

Yes, he's scheduled for a trial and execution (just like the Inqusitor originally is I might add) - but because he's the only one that knows what's going on... you can't just get rid of him. 

 

Anyway... you can hate it.  I'm not saying I'm writing a masterpiece here... but I would have thought of him differently, yes. 

 

EDIT: Also, please don't bother with "no offense" to me... I cannot be offended by strangers on the internet. 

My apologies. It is simply a matter of habit and some respect that add things like "no offence" "but of course, this is all theory" "in my opinion" and things of that nature. Forum posting usually requires a certain degree of consideration prior to posting in order to not sound like I'm being intentionally offensive (it may not even be intentionally, but posts written in the wrong way will offend certain people). So I will attempt to refrain.

[IllustriousT]

My apologies. It is simply a matter of habit and some respect that add things like "no offence" "but of course, this is all theory" "in my opinion" and things of that nature. Forum posting usually requires a certain degree of consideration prior to posting in order to not sound like I'm being intentionally offensive (it may not even be intentionally, but posts written in the wrong way will offend certain people). So I will attempt to refrain.

 

I think you may have been offensive by trying not be offensive....geez...it happens I suppose.

[Medhia_Nox]

My apologies. It is simply a matter of habit and some respect that add things like "no offence" "but of course, this is all theory" "in my opinion" and things of that nature. Forum posting usually requires a certain degree of consideration prior to posting in order to not sound like I'm being intentionally offensive (it may not even be intentionally, but posts written in the wrong way will offend certain people). So I will attempt to refrain.

 

LOL it's all good.  No worries.  

 

I've mentioned before, though not to you, passive voice is not generally in my wheelhouse.  

[Almostfaceman]

And when someone purposefully keeps secret from you... going so far as to actually tell you they're purposefully keeping secrets from you... do you often say: "Well,it must be because they're wiser and smarter than me.  So I'll just trust them to go ahead with whatever they've got planned."

 

Who's said that Solas is wiser and smarter than them and that they should be trusted to go ahead with their plan? 

[Medhia_Nox]

Almostfaceman:  Anyone trying to convince people that he's altruistic because we can't understand his motives... or that Solas is like "the Doctor" or a "professor" or "an authority".  

 

Please... don't be obtuse.

 

If you think I'm going to data mine 59 pages and waste that time to make Christian Bale happy... you're as delusional as the bald rat. 

[Almostfaceman]

If you think I'm going to data mine 59 pages and waste that time 

 

This is probably why you shouldn't make claims you can't substantiate. 

[Almostfaceman]

Almostfaceman:  Anyone trying to convince people that he's altruistic because we can't understand his motives... 

 

Who said we can't understand his motives? 

 

Some people have brought up that the devs have revealed he cares. Is that what you're referring to? 

 

This is probably why you should quote people at the time they say something you have a problem with and address that particular thing they say, instead of coming along later and making sweeping claims that can't be substantiated without you data-mining a thread. 

[Almostfaceman]

If you think I'm going to data mine 59 pages and waste that time to make Christian Bale happy... you're as delusional as the bald rat. 

 

I didn't think you'd have to data-mine anything. I thought you might have a particular quote in mind. But, it seems you don't. 

 

What bald rat? 

[maia0407]

Who said we can't understand his motives? 
 
Some people have brought up that the devs have revealed he cares. Is that what you're referring to? 
 
This is probably why you should quote people at the time they say something you have a problem with and address that particular thing they say, instead of coming along later and making sweeping claims that can't be substantiated without you data-mining a thread.

He can't quote anyone as his claims are a total ass pull.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Almastfaceman:  I've been referring to Solas as a bald rat since forever... I'm almost disappointed. 

[Almostfaceman]

@Almastfaceman:  I've been referring to Solas as a bald rat since forever... I'm almost disappointed. 

 

Why would you call him a bald rat? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would you call him a bald rat? 

Because he is bald and he is a rat probably. 

[Almostfaceman]

Because he is bald and he is a rat probably. 

 

But he's an elf, not a rat. 

[Sah291]

@Medhia_Nox,

But you're not meant to think "better" of him. He's the villian. Written to be a sympathetic one... But still a villian. I'd say your reaction is ultimately the one the audience is supposed to have. All Inquisitors resolve to stop him, one way or the other.

They wanted to tell a story where the bad guy was with you, at your side all along. They even did it twice, with Bull possibly betraying you... Also you find out Blackwall isn't what he appears either.

Why? Because it is more interesting since bad guys rarely see themselves as "the bad guy" and have reasons and justifications for what they are doing, just like you do. And also it adds an element of surprise. Then you also had some characters we were meant to feel suspicious of right away...but who ultimately don't betray you...like Dorian from Tevinter or Cole the demon. So it wasn't black and white.

What would be the point in Solas telling you everything up front and being locked in a cell. It might make you feel better about him, but it wouldn't make the experience more interesting.

Yes, Solas is smart/wise. It's a mistake to think smart/wise/likable/good intentions always = trustworthy person. His character would seem to be reinforcing that message.

(He also seems to be reinforcing the idea that freedom is dangerous and that people who oppose slavery are terrorists/ genocidal maniacs waiting to happen...which is why I'm hoping there is more to it and that he can be redeemed...but that's a gripe for another thread...)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But he's an elf, not a rat. 

Rat can also refer to "a person who abandons or betrays his or her party or associates".

[Witch Cocktor]

But he's an elf, not a rat. 

Same thing. 

[Gervaise]

I base my reaction to Solas off how my character sees him in game.    At one time he might have thought himself inferior to Solas in knowledge of the Fade but his respect for Solas has plummeted in the light of more recent revelations.   He thinks him a steaming hypocrite for lecturing his other companions about how they should do better, behave better and help more, when it all amounts to nothing if he is planning on destroying it all anyway, simply because it apparently makes him feel less of a monster if people have a nice time of it up until the point he pulls the plug.   He certainly doesn't think Solas is wiser than he is.   When you have screwed up twice with your plans, things not working out at all as you intended and yet you still persist in proceeding with them regardless, that isn't wisdom, that is sheer unmitigated arrogance and pig headedness.     Wise people learn from their mistakes; fools carry on and repeat them regardless. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Almostfaceman:   Well... he's bald, I find his face rat-like and yes, I find him to be a "rat". 

 

Also - are you purposefully using the Socratic method?  

 

If I may ask a question of my own - do you see Solas' critics as totally unfounded while finding his fans completely reasonable?  

 

@Hanako Ikezawa:  I don't expect he/she is ignorant of that.  I "think" it's likely he/she is trying to be clever. 

[Almostfaceman]

Rat can also refer to "a person who abandons or betrays his or her party or associates".

 

Huh, I've always thought of a rat as someone who snitches, but yeah the betrayal and abandonment would go along with that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Huh, I've always thought of a rat as someone who snitches, but yeah the betrayal and abandonment would go along with that. 

That's another definition. I just chose the one that seemed to best fit Solas.

Plus it used party to refer to a group so felt Dragon Age-y.

[Almostfaceman]

@Almostfaceman:   Well... he's bald, I find his face rat-like and yes, I find him to be a "rat". 

 

Also - are you purposefully using the Socratic method?  

 

If I may ask a question of my own - do you see Solas' critics as totally unfounded while finding his fans completely reasonable?  

 

@Hanako Ikezawa:  I don't expect he/she is ignorant of that.  I "think" it's likely he/she is trying to be clever. 

 

I don't see Solas's critics totally unfounded in some respects. If you follow my conversations here (it's all saved and in writing) you'll understand what I mean.

 

I try to ask questions to help me avoid making assumptions about why someone says something. If you ask a question and someone answers, there you have their opinion and why, in their own words. 

 

I don't know if I'm trying to be "clever", I'm just asking questions to better understand an argument or a position an argument is based on... or motivations behind an argument. 

 

I don't think Solas looks much like a rat, but different strokes for different folks. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

If you think I'm going to data mine 59 pages and waste that time to make Christian Bale happy... you're as delusional as the bald rat. 

 

He is not Christian Bale. He is an Envy Demon that managed to almost steal Christian Bale's face but failed at the last moment. Its why he is called Almostfaceman.

 

Also, here's a picture of Solas:-

 

[Secret Rare]

 Forum posting usually requires a certain degree of consideration prior to posting in order to not sound like I'm being intentionally offensive (it may not even be intentionally, but posts written in the wrong way will offend certain people). So I will attempt to refrain.

People get offended so easily nowadays if someone touch their virtual LI.

[Secret Rare]

But he's an elf, not a rat. 

I don't remember that elves looks like easter eggs.