Poor Loghain i remember that fandom wasn't so indulgent with him,i guess romances fix everything Bsn!
Yes, because it's all about romance... nevermind that people who never even thought of romancing Solas admit to liking/understanding him and have a chance to redeem him too, so long as Inquisitor has approval level with him that's above 0.
I'm not really sure. I'm not sure whether he sees the destruction of the current world as a necessity of his plan or a regrettable but unavoidable consequence of it.
Yes, because it's all about romance... nevermind that people who never even thought of romancing Solas admit to liking/understanding him and have a chance to redeem him too, so long as Inquisitor has approval level with him that's above 0.
Poor Bsn who is not even able to grasp sarcasm anymore
You're right, but what would be the fate of the inhabitants of Thedas? To Solas due to their weak connection to the Fade they are not people. The way he descrives them it's like they looked like people, they had bodies but lacked the soul, what makes people people in his opinion. So if he managed to do his plan without killing the inhabitants of Thedas what would be the fate of those nonpeople in the new world?
The old elven empire had slaves, if his plan is a revival of that empire why not enslave the nonpeople? After all they are not truly alive so it's not like there is a real moral dilemma. Personally I think that at best he thinks that in a world without a Veil the nonpeople could give birth to true people but unless they are elven even then I don't see it being a very positive world.
I want to stop Solas, but even then being cynical I just don't see Bioware changing their setting so radically.
He doesn't see them as non-people unless you don't become friends with him. He admits he was wrong about that unless he actively hates you.
He doesn't see them as non-people unless you don't become friends with him. He admits he was wrong about that unless he actively hates you.
Even in a playthrough where he and Inquisitor hate each other's guts there are moments where you can see Solas' wall of denial breaking, because no matter of approval level we can still hear banters like this:
And here's one poignant piece of banter that happens at the end of conversation string with IB that at one point or another became very heated:
I once stated before that Solas is very much like a Devil or a Satan figure capable of some benevolence and compassion. That assessment is further reinforced by Trespasser.
As for why girls like him, you do know that women love bad boys capable of some benevolence, compassion and kindness right ? The whole girls falling for jerks (who can be nice sometimes) thing applies here.
To be fair, there are plenty of females fans of serial killers
To be fair, there are plenty of females fans of serial killers
Only putting any equation mark between serial killers and a fictional character in extreme circumstances that plans to do something bad, but has otherwise not behaved remotely like a serial killer, skews any debate we could have.
Why are girls attracted to bad boys?
Solas is a bad, bad boy. That orb is bad. Corypheus used it, Solas grabbed it's power from you as he took off your arm.
I go back and forth between Cullen and Solas all the time as my most loved. But I also want to punch Solas in the face.
In short.....why does the Mass Effect Andromeda forum pour over every tiny bit of theory about the game?
Because we like anguish, and to punish ourselves.
Only putting any equation mark between serial killers and a fictional character in extreme circumstances that plans to do something bad, but has otherwise not behaved remotely like a serial killer, skews any debate we could have.
You do know that Solas knew the Orb would result in an explosion? That he was waiting patiently in a pub in the outskirts or near Haven?
I suppose it's fine because it was actually Corypheus who did
He's not a serial killer - he's a megalomaniac.
As for why girls like him, you do know that women love bad boys capable of some benevolence, compassion and kindness right ? The whole girls falling for jerks (who can be nice sometimes) thing applies here.
I don't like the "bad boy" archetype because they are jerks, but because those types of characters tend to have high confidence and passion... For some reason, a lot of writers have trouble writing male love interests like that who aren't also jerks. I don't know why. Patrick Weekes managed to subvert that a bit with Solas at least, since he is mostly polite and respectful during the romance itself.
Which is why I said women like to go for jerks who are nice to them. As a man, I have tried that shtick before and it works like a charm. Be a confident and somewhat aloof ****** but be nice to the woman who shows interest in you and it works.
Most of Solas' fans are attracted to Bioware's portrayal of him in DAI as intelligent, compassionate and wise. Any "bad boy" aspect only surfaces in Trespasser.
I understand there are those who hate Solas, but:
1. There is no basis for assuming we like him for the reasons you hate him, and
2. There is no reason to insult people you do not agree with.
I don't know? Do you think "hardcore traditionalist" describes you correctly?Was that for me?
You'd be correct in RL. Solas, of course, is perfectly capable of lying to us and make us believe him. Yet, this is a story, and I haven't yet met even one character in a story with so many positive claims about something - towards the Inquisition, he mostly lied by omission - and have them turn out wrong. So, yes, I believe him about the past.You can corroborate ALL my claims through science... you can not yet corroborate ANY of Solas' claims at all. Not yet anyway.
And yet, people believe him because they like "the idea" of what he says.
That's religious thinking.
Being confident isn't the same thing as being a jerk though.Which is why I said women like to go for jerks who are nice to them. As a man, I have tried that shtick before and it works like a charm. Be a confident and somewhat aloof ****** but be nice to the woman who shows interest in you and it works.
Why is the whole "I'm gonna change him" on women? I have had relationships where men have disagreed with how I do things and thus try to get me to change my actions or how I should be. I'm confused as to how this attribute seems to be only on women.
For the same reason, I sometimes like the antagonists in stories better than the heroes, and very frequently find them more interesting. It's the antagonists who have the visions, and the ambition and the passion to follow through and make them real, while the heroes just work to restore the status quo.I don't like the "bad boy" archetype because they are jerks, but because those types of characters tend to have high confidence and passion... For some reason, a lot of writers have trouble writing male love interests like that who aren't also jerks. I don't know why. Patrick Weekes managed to subvert that a bit with Solas at least, since he is mostly polite and respectful during the romance itself.
Those who don't gain much disapproval from Solas and agree on most of his opinions, I'm sure they love the dude.
Me though, I'm here waiting on my Solas disapproval scene once I get to Skyhold.
Every fiber of my body finds Solas unbearable, detestable and unpleasant. And so does my canon inquisitor.
Why is the whole "I'm gonna change him" on women? I have had relationships where men have disagreed with how I do things and thus try to get me to change my actions or how I should be. I'm confused as to how this attribute seems to be only on women.
It's not, we're just talking about a popular story device and a relationship dynamic that applies to the question posed about how people view Solas.
Being confident isn't the same thing as being a jerk though.
And being aloof just makes women think the man has deep thoughts or is more emotional underneath, not that he's a jerk. Unless by aloof you mean ignoring them. Maybe it is just thrill of the chase then. But it gets old if a guy keeps acting that way.
Of course I think we've all seen women who relentlessly stick around to try and change a man who has no intention of changing, and even though I'm a woman, I'll never understand why some women do this.
Normally I'd refute. Say that "women aren't like that" and give a counterargument...but then I remember how popular "50 Shades of Grey" was and then I just stop.
But I think the important thing to remember is that, as you said, being aloof and confident should never be interpreted as being a jerk and vice versa.
I don't know? Do you think "hardcore traditionalist" describes you correctly?
You'd be correct in RL. Solas, of course, is perfectly capable of lying to us and make us believe him. Yet, this is a story, and I haven't yet met even one character in a story with so many positive claims about something - towards the Inquisition, he mostly lied by omission - and have them turn out wrong. So, yes, I believe him about the past.
It's just the same as people say the Catalyst was lying in ME3. Perfectly possible, perhaps even likely in-world, but not at all plausible from a storytelling point of view. Solas' story was meant to be a revelation, perhaps from a somewhat one-sided point of view, but basically true.
In truth, I'm not very traditional at all... but that's here nor there.
I suppose I'll just say I believe him to be an unreliable narrator.
We'll see.
It's interesting... the very first thing you're told at the beginning of Dragon Age: Origins is the story of the Magisters... yet, the Chantry are liars and propagandists and not "story revelation".
Why does Solas get to be the "fact teller"? What about him says: "I am revealing the truth about the world." to you?
Example: We can corroborate that he "is" Fen'Harel because we see a cut-scene where Flemeth calls him "Dread Wolf" (odd that she would call a friend by an moniker meant as 3000 year old insult - but, I won't bother trying to question that.)
Fen'Harel has been my favorite character from DA lore ever since I first played DAO.
That was mostly why I first was interested in Solas. My first playthrough of DAI I mostly ignored him though - I thought he was just this suspicious, bald elven apostate who asked too many questions. I didn't think much of him, to be honest. When he disappeared I told Leliana it doesn't matter. Then I saw the epilogue and everything changed, hah.
My second playthrough was female elf who romanced Solas. Completely changed my opinion of him. I love the romance for same reason I loved Morrigan romance in DAO - it adds to the story and character more than anything else. He's one of my all time favorite companions (of any games) ever. When ever I play as my canon Inquisitor I take him everywhere with me. I enjoy listening to his banter with other companions and all those little remarks he makes. Like Blackwall says he knows all there is to know about everything.
I have always loved tragic heroes. Those who try to do good but end up making all the wrong choices and worst mistakes. I love his story and look forward to seeing where it goes next. Solas is the most important character of DAI and I like it how different relationship your Inquisitor can have with him. If the next game will have him as the main antagonist and the Inquisitor as the leader of the force that will try to stop him then that is going to be epic... best kind of villain is someone you both hate and love, someone who the hero has personal connection to. I love that he was first our companion, a close friend, rival or lover... only to turn out to have been the person responsible for all the bad things that happened all along.
Why does Solas get to be the "fact teller"? What about him says: "I am revealing the truth about the world." to you?
From the perspective of Solas, we're all going to die. There's no need for any subterfuge beyond hiding who he is until he's strong enough to do what he wants. He even keeps you alive at the end of Trespasser.
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