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[German Soldier]

They wanted to tell a story where the bad guy was with you, at your side all along. They even did it twice, with Bull possibly betraying you... Also you find out Blackwall isn't what he appears either.


What would be the point in Solas telling you everything up front and being locked in a cell. It might make you feel better about him, but it wouldn't make the experience more interesting.

Yes, Solas is smart/wise. It's a mistake to think smart/wise/likable/good intentions always = trustworthy person. His character would seem to be reinforcing that message.

 

I don't see Solas a smart or wise since he wasn't able to foresee the various patterns of his own plan which had 50% possibility to fail from the start.

I disagree on the Iron bull he never betray the Inquisitor he merely followed your advice to follow the Qun.

[Secret Rare]

 

I don't see Solas a smart or wise since he wasn't able to foresee the various patterns of his own plan which had 50% possibility to fail from the start.

I disagree on the Iron bull he never betray the Inquisitor he merely followed your advice to follow the Qun.

 

That's pretty sad if you bring Cole with you on that quest he will comment that Bull didn't felt nothing (physical pain, regret,anger,satisfaction)....nothing he was just empty,there is no betrayal here just an automaton who fought you.

[BansheeOwnage]

So many pages!

Actually i think that he is so good at faking his own persona that managed to fools everyone damn well.

Remember that this is the person who was playing the part of the polite apostate and at the same time was the head of a network of spies in your  organization.

Word of God says that Solas was originally going to be a chronic liar, but this was changed. So that seems to contradict the idea that he is lying so much he has an entirely new persona.

 

His approval, though only viewed by the player and thus meta, also supports that we do actually get to see his real personality. Even though Blackwall has lied about things, we're still interacting with his true personality, no matter the name he uses.

 

It will be as usual. We will have a choice, but it will be purely cosmetic and/or a vehicle for roleplaying. It won't change any significant aspect of the outcome

I predict it may play out like a judgement from DA:I. We can either kill him in battle, execute him on the spot like Anders, or bring him somewhere to be judged (with execution also being a possible outcome). Maybe we could also just let him run away and live with his guilt? I don't know.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I predict it may play out like a judgement from DA:I. We can either kill him in battle, execute him on the spot like Anders, or bring him somewhere to be judged (with execution also being a possible outcome). Maybe we could also just let him run away and live with his guilt? I don't know.

I say make him Tranquil. I hate the practice, but I can't think of a more fitting punishment than for Solas to live as a Tranquil for the rest of eternity.

[Medhia_Nox]

@BansheeOwnage:  Xerrai asked many pages ago if we would get to 50... and here we are at 60.

 

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You know... having gone over a lot of these pages recently - I don't find people actually stating any "virtues".

 

I see people saying: "Solas is complicated" and "I love Solas."  And yes Almostfaceman - I'll go grab quotes if you need them to hold a conversation.

"Complicated" is not a virtue.

 

Vlad Tepes was a very "complicated" man - one I actually find very interesting - but I still find him to be a complete and utter monster regardless of whether or not he did some of the things he did to fend off the Turks.  Or whether or not lying and stealing were almost unheard of in his lands (as for lying - at least in his presence) - but to make these things so rare in his lands he was willing to have a horrific reputation.

 

Almostfaceman has suggested that nobody has said that Solas is "smarter" or "wiser" than the PC - and all Bioware PCs are pretty stupid by design.  And I haven't seen anyone suggest that his plan is a good one... only that they will either "stop" or "redeem".

 

So... what are his actual "virtues"?

- Complicated - not a virtue

- Ancient - not a virtue

- Tragic (he's not, but whatever) - not a virtue

- Mysterious - not a virtue.

- Sad - not a virtue

 

They sound like traits a caretaker personality would be drawn to.

 

So... are we saying he's an attractive non-virtuous man? 

[midnight tea]

Or cupcakes, yep!

Psst, Did Midnight hide the sacrificial bodies?

 

I went to the Fade to hide the evidence

 

 

The Blanketfort is obsessed with Solas, not in love with him.

 

Well then so are you, seeing how oftentimes you were a guest there, doing such *impossibly obsessive things* like... oh I don't know - discussing the surrounding lore or story, in a thread about a character who also *gasp* happens to be a pivotal element of it.

 

...Though now it seems that your obsession seems to have taken an interesting new route and now you're obsessed with discrediting a character and people who like him. Sad, very sad.

[myahele]

I say make him Tranquil. I hate the practice, but I can't think of a more fitting punishment than for Solas to live as a Tranquil for the rest of eternity.

 

 Tranquility can be reversed. There are side effects to reversing tranquility such as emotional stability. So it might not be a good idea

[The Elder King]

 Tranquility can be reversed. There are side effects to reversing tranquility such as emotional stability. So it might not be a good idea

He wouldn't reverse it by himself. Someone has to do it. And I guess whoever tranquilized him would make sure his status wouldn't be reversed.

[Lezio]

I say make him Tranquil. I hate the practice, but I can't think of a more fitting punishment than for Solas to live as a Tranquil for the rest of eternity.

 

Nah, give him to the Qunari

....

Wow, i'm evil Feels good

[Medhia_Nox]

I say make him Tranquil. I hate the practice, but I can't think of a more fitting punishment than for Solas to live as a Tranquil for the rest of eternity.

 

I just want to lock him away with his family - let Elgar'nan deal with him.

 

Just did Dirthamen:  When their god "disappears" it causes a lot of terror in this sacred place.  They didn't seem to hate the god they were "enslaved" to.  They seemed to be terrified that he was gone.  

 

Abelas doesn't seem to resent be "enslaved" to Flemyth.

 

I wonder if they were the elven equivalents of house slaves. 

 

I'd love for the Evanuris to be "complicated" too and not just Evil Inc. - I'd love to hear their side of the story.  Then... politely lock Solas away with them. 

 

I would - of course - feel very sad about it, but I would "have to" do it.  Trust me, I could tell you why... but I won't.

[German Soldier]

 

 

His approval, though only viewed by the player and thus meta, also support that we do actually get to see his real personality. Even though Blackwall has lied about things, we're still interacting with his true personality, no matter the name he uses.

 

That's even worse in my book.

He was deceiving everyone purposely while maintaining his original behaviour a companion at  day and the  head of the netwrok of spies in the castle at night.Skyhold  was never our headquarters it was  Solas headquarters in whom he could have been able to maneuvered  his elven spies whom i think were  hiding behind the more humble  labourer of the Inquisiton.

[German Soldier]

I say make him Tranquil. I hate the practice, but I can't think of a more fitting punishment than for Solas to live as a Tranquil for the rest of eternity.

To what end?

He will kill himself then resurrect his body like Flemeth did and nullify the tranquility.

[The Elder King]

Eh, while we heard so far only Solas' version on the matter, from every new knowledge we got about the ancient elves' time I doubt the Evanuris would be that better then what Solas described. I do hope they're more deep and complicated then what they appear so far.

[midnight tea]

@BansheeOwnage:  Xerrai asked many pages ago if we would get to 50... and here we are at 60.

 

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You know... having gone over a lot of these pages recently - I don't find people actually stating any "virtues".

 

I see people saying: "Solas is complicated" and "I love Solas."  And yes Almostfaceman - I'll go grab quotes if you need them to hold a conversation.

"Complicated" is not a virtue.

 

You must have been going through a different thread then, since people have been "stating virtues", or why they like a character or whatever and even a word of author on the matter pretty consistently throughout the thread.

 

...Of course, the separate problem is that almost every time people even try and state his virtues or any positive traits he can have, or even portray character as complex, there's a screeching that brings about the accusations of whitewashing, fanaticism, obsession, blind love and other nonsense.

 

Talk about "damned if you do, damned if you don't" 

 

*say something positive of a character or mention his good side or virtues* - "you obsessively love a character and he's a perfect snowflake in your eyes that you want to absolve from every guilt!!!"

 

*You don't state them often enough (in eyes of some people), or mention the complexity of a character* - "Not even his fans can find that many virtues or mask it as complexity, see??!!"

 

Plus... dude, I hope you're not talking about the most recent pages, since a large part of that was obviously a lot of poking fun, much of it lighthearted, which was was a nice little break from having to deal with accusations of delusions and other lovely things. But oh, I've seen you confuse jokes for something else already...

[The Elder King]

 

To what end?

He will kill himself then resurrect his body like Flemeth did and nullify the tranquility.

 

Why would a Tranquil kill himself? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 Tranquility can be reversed. There are side effects to reversing tranquility such as emotional stability. So it might not be a good idea

The Seekers know how to reverse Tranquility without the instability since every Seeker was Tranquil. Plus it's not like after that he'd be allowed to wander free. 

 

Nah, give him to the Qunari

....

Wow, i'm evil Feels good

Nah, the Qunari would only turn around and use him against us.

 

I just want to lock him away with his family - let Elgar'nan deal with him.

That's even better. That was my original idea, but figured that may have too many risks so put Tranquility here. 

[The Elder King]

Eh, as much as I dislike Solas' plan and intention, I doubt the Evanuris will ever be someone I'd have compassion for. I am quite happy to know they (As Fen'harel, or Mythal) are real, though not as the elven lore states. 

I do want to know in one game what are exactly the Old Gods, and if/what connection they have with the elven 'gods'.

[midnight tea]

Eh, as much as I dislike Solas' plan and intention, I doubt the Evanuris will ever be someone I'd have compassion for. I am quite happy to know they (As Fen'harel, or Mythal) are real, though not as the elven lore states. 

I do want to know in one game what are exactly the Old Gods, and if/what connection they have with the elven 'gods'.

 

I have a suspicion we may find out what Old Gods were in DA4. I mean, we are going to Tevinter, aren't we?

 

We also did, technically, see an Old God in DAI, in shape of OGB Kieran, and get to be told that he has "a piece of something thought long lost, snatched away from darkness", as described by Flemeth.

 

There are also other interesting things, like a direct location of one of the Old Gods (deep hole in Western Approach) and in JoH there are mentions of Razikale and curious things happening at a temple that the Tevens have once rededicated to her and where we find Hakkon.

 

As for Evanuris... eh, hard to say really. But considering how they're being built up, I think we're going to see them in one form or another. We do know that they're technically alive and Inquisitor can directly ask Solas that if the Veil would go down, wouldn't that mean that Evanuris are going back... Which, you know, Solas only shouted "Spoilers!" at.

[Hellion Rex]

 

To what end?

He will kill himself then resurrect his body like Flemeth did and nullify the tranquility.

 

We have no proof that he can do the same things that Flemeth can, yet. All we know is that he got a power boost and can turn people to stone.

And we don't even know if Tranquility could be nullified in such a matter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We do know that they're technically alive and Inquisitor can directly ask Solas that if the Veil would go down, wouldn't that mean that Evanuris are going back... Which, you know, Solas only shouted "Spoilers!" at.

That line always bugged me. When asked Solas says "I had plans.". 

Had plans? As in, used to but not anymore? You better have plans if you're doing this. 

[The Elder King]

That line always bugged me. When asked Solas says "I had plans.". 

Had plans? As in, used to but not anymore? You better have plans if you're doing this. 

I hope so. If the Evanuris are as strong as they seem, and Solas happens to free them with no plan to stop them, it'd be a disaster. Not only for thedas, but for him as well, since they'll likely try to get their revenge on him.

[Medhia_Nox]

That line always bugged me. When asked Solas says "I had plans.". 

Had plans? As in, used to but not anymore? You better have plans if you're doing this. 

 

Would it really make you comfortable if he still had plans?

Solas has had a lot of "plans" - none of them have worked yet.

 

@The Elder King:  Like the disaster he caused to destroy his civilization?  Or the disaster he caused to obliterate the Conclave, empower an ancient Tevinter magister and maneuver the Inquisition into clean up his mess?

 

And this point I wouldn't be surprised if his "plan" to deal with the Evanuris was to awaken the last remaining Old Gods as archdaemons to cause a mega-blight to deal with them.

[Shechinah]

That line always bugged me. When asked Solas says "I had plans.". 

Had plans? As in, used to but not anymore? You better have plans if you're doing this. 

 

I think he meant had as in had plans to do with them in the context of his Mark plan.

 

With the Mark plan no longer a viable option, he has made other plans and with them, considered other plans of dealing with the Evanuris.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Would it really make you comfortable if he still had plans?

Solas has had a lot of "plans" - none of them have worked yet.

Well, I will grant him that his plans have worked, just with a caveat of something terrible happening. 

 

His plan to imprison the Evanuris worked, albeit at the cost of destroying Elvhenan. 

His plan to unlock the Orb worked, albeit at it being in the hands of the Magister version of him. 

His plan to stop Corypheus worked, albeit at him losing his Orb and ruining his plans. 

 

So if he has plans to deal with the Evanuris returning, I suspect that would work but just have terrible repercussions. 

 

 

I think he meant had as in had plans to do with them in the context of his Mark plan.

 

With the Mark plan no longer a viable option, he has made other plans and with them, considered other plans of dealing with the Evanuris.

He should still say he has plans then. If he is trying to provide comfort until the end, he is doing a bad job at it. 

[The Elder King]

Would it really make you comfortable if he still had plans?

Solas has had a lot of "plans" - none of them have worked yet.

 

@The Elder King:  Like the disaster he caused to destroy his civilization?  Or the disaster he caused to obliterate the Conclave, empower an ancient Tevinter magister and maneuver the Inquisition into clean up his mess?

 

And this point I wouldn't be surprised if his "plan" to deal with the Evanuris was to awaken the last remaining Old Gods as archdaemons to cause a mega-blight to deal with them.

His plan is already a disaster for the current Thedas, yes. Freeing the Evanuris with no plans to deal with them would be a disaster for his plans though. It'd be a moronic move, and I don't think he's stupid.