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[midnight tea]

1) [Warden doesn't do DR] In that case, it'll be up to Morrigan to do...whatever Flemeth prepared her to do as the Inheritor. Since Solas is involved in her whole mysterious speech of "change is coming to the world", then it's safe to assume that at some point, the elf's actions will interfere with her plans. However, like you said, we can't infer if she'll confront him directly.

(I wish she did, though.) 

 

2) Yep.Bioware is keeping us in suspense. My bet is that, in truth, the writers have no idea what to do with OGB so far. His arc started way back in Origins, but was brusquely interrupted by the Elven leitmotif (Mythal, eluvians, asf). So from DA4 onwards, that's something the writers will have to go back to and properly wrap up.

 

 

 

Why I think the OGB's fate wasn't planned that far ahead?

 

(I'm a writer (with two books under production, many written short stories and no published works yet), so I know how writers may seem brilliant to the public, presenting all these elaborate concepts, inserted in an equally complex lore and cleverly-built plot.

 

But when you look closely at the method they work with, you realise lots of the brilliant stuff in their stories were actually ideas they happened to have at the spur of the moment, while they were revising the draft, having a coffee break after lunch, reading a book in bed and in other such moments. It's not something that resulted from a deep reflection, "a profound contemplation of human nature and the invitable fate of the Universe", and that took weeks and weeks to be ready. No, sometimes they read a book on the Arthurian legends and came up with a few ideas. Like dragons, shapeshifting witches living in marshes, secret royal bloodlines and sex rites meant to give birth to the Chosen One.

 

This is why I don't take the DA lore that seriously. Because the fans that are looking at it from the outside end up seeing more in the lore's details than what was the writers's true intentions. This is why I'm almost sure they haven't really anticipated anything on the OGB's relevance to the DA series, much less his fate so far. That's what my writer's instincts tell me, anyway. I may be completely wrong.)

 

Oh, I'm not negating that they might or might not have planned what to do with OBG 100% form start to finish (I'm an aspiring storyteller myself - mostly visual media, comics and planned webcomics) - especially that we know that the writers have admitted to having to either drop or modify some stuff, either because of what regularly happens during game development work, or even if simply because at time of writing DAO they had no idea if they'd be successful and if it will not end up to be a stand-alone game with no continuation.

 

Plus, let's face it, creating a game with branching storyline will always require some very flexible thinking or solutions to connect it all and still make a coherent whole in every possible worldstate, or the totality of them.

 

With that said - since they did go through effort to make a fairly big deal out of Dark Ritual in Inquisition, creating different cutscenes and results - they appear to have plans for that already, long after first DAO has shipped.

[midnight tea]

TLDR thought about this some more sorry but Solas's justifications for what he does are so flimsy I have no qualms treating him as a chaotic evil supervillain. 

 

If the game had made it an option, would of at least imprisoned  him for his crazy plans, the PC is the character trying to stop him from destroying the world, IMO. 

 

Dragon Age has a knack for making you companions with people who are like totally terrible people lol, I mean, Morrigan wants to create a demon god, Blackwall is totally awful, Zevran kills people for money, Mabari > all to be honest, jeez.

 

Solas is basically the ultimate evil, even regular old tyrants and such often pale in comparision, he is like, the original primal, evil, there is really nothing lower than him in many ways. Pretty much his entirely personality all the gibberish about "personal freedom" and such is basically only true in the exceedingly deluded head of his. 

 

...Chaotic evil supervillain, huh?

 

Well, it's your prerogative to think that way if you wish so, and considering your firm stance on the matter I don't think there's anything we can discuss here really - but that doesn't change the fact that neither the work, or its authors, support such extreme view. Just saying.

[IllustriousT]

 

2) Yep.Bioware is keeping us in suspense. My bet is that, in truth, the writers have no idea what to do with OGB so far. His arc started way back in Origins, but was brusquely interrupted by the Elven leitmotif (Mythal, eluvians, asf). So from DA4 onwards, that's something the writers will have to go back to and properly wrap up.

 

 

 

I thought they resolved that when Flemythal absorbed Kieran's godhood - at least that is what I thought - turning him into a real boy.

[midnight tea]

I thought they resolved that when Flemythal absorbed Kieran's godhood - at least that is what I thought - turning him into a real boy.

 

Bah, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The schtick of Elvhen Gods appears to be that they're infuriatingly difficult to guess things about

 

But you know what I wouldn't mind to see? Kieran as a companion.

 

I don't think we'd see him like that though, considering that in many worldstates he doesn't exist and because I personally think the next game's events will not be that far away in terms of time-frame from Inquisition. Like... 2 to 5 years perhaps? That's my guesstimate. 

[maia0407]

Personally attacking people tends to do that.

Except that no one was personally attacked. I responded to Midnight about my view that black and white thinking shown in this thread lacks nuance. You jumped in personally offended that I have a negative view of certain types of thinking displayed in this thread and I assume reported it. My 'insults' were no worse than anything on this thread but I don't see you getting offended on behalf of the people being called obsessive fan girls and the like. Biases, aren't they great?

[Arvaarad]

In video games, I sit around plotting the most efficient ways to pulp enemies, gleefully calculating the fastest methods of splattering their guts on the floor. But in reality, I'm a total pacifist. This is a pretty common pattern, and I think a lot of people accept it. Compared to most protagonists, video game players are hippie dippy flower children. Nearly every internet forum is full of people who will passionately argue against the idea that violent video games cause violence.

 

For some reason, people have trouble transferring that logic from fictional violence to fictional relationships.

 

They assume that players really think fictional relationships are worth emulating, or that a satisfying fictional relationship is a template for a satisfying real relationship. It's the same thing! Fictional combat allows people to explore violence that would be unacceptable (and, frankly, traumatizing) in real life. Fictional friendships and romances are heightened, expressionistic representations of things that people normally wouldn't even want to explore in real life. Unhealthy relationships can be part of that exploration.

 

Plus, fiction is one of the few contexts where there's 0 consequence to ignoring a person's flaws. "Seeing character flaws in people you look up to" is one of the most depressing aspects of real life. It's utterly deflating. So, if a fictional character has good qualities A, B, and C, it's perfectly reasonable for some people to decide they're ok minimizing bad qualities X, Y, and Z. Even if X, Y, and Z are pretty big. Since it's fiction, people have complete freedom to choose which things are dealbreakers. They no longer have to worry about practical constraints like personal safety.

[Almostfaceman]

 

Solas is basically the ultimate evil, even regular old tyrants and such often pale in comparision, he is like, the original primal, evil, there is really nothing lower than him in many ways. Pretty much his entirely personality all the gibberish about "personal freedom" and such is basically only true in the exceedingly deluded head of his. 

 

This isn't even true on an objective level. Solas at most gimps one a handful of civilizations. 

 

This guy destroys multiple planets and subjugates many more. Literally millions, no billions of cultures, civilizations and drinking games go the way of the dinosaur. Think of all the innocent children!

 

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 30 avril 2016 - 09:13 .

[Seraphim24]

...Chaotic evil supervillain, huh?

 

Well, it's your prerogative to think that way if you wish so, and considering your firm stance on the matter I don't think there's anything we can discuss here really - but that doesn't change the fact that neither the work, or its authors, support such extreme view. Just saying.

 

 

LOL I literally can't use the data to support anything other than your conclusion? 

 

Solas is an extreme villain and even if I came up with a thousand ways of saying it, it wouldn't do justice to that notion. He is absolutely disgusting, and I'm mesmerized that anyone could possibly be a fan of him in the sense of actual liking him, in fact I think he was designed to be detested, basically, but as we say here, it's just my feelings and there's all there is to that. 

[Witch Cocktor]

Plus, fiction is one of the few contexts where there's 0 consequence to ignoring a person's flaws. "Seeing character flaws in people you look up to" is one of the most depressing aspects of real life. It's utterly deflating. So, if a fictional character has good qualities A, B, and C, it's perfectly reasonable for some people to decide they're ok minimizing bad qualities X, Y, and Z. Even if X, Y, and Z are pretty big. Since it's fiction, people have complete freedom to choose which things are dealbreakers. They no longer have to worry about practical constraints like personal safety.

 

It's also perfectly reasonable for the bad qualities X, Y and Z to be the dealbreakers no matter how big the good qualities A, B and C are. It goes both ways, no?

[midnight tea]

It's also perfectly reasonable for the bad qualities X, Y and Z to be the dealbreakers no matter how big the good qualities A, B and C are. It goes both ways, no?

 

I think it's pretty clear from Arvaraad's comment that it can go both ways.

 

The problem occurs when there are people (not talking about you) who appear to be unable to stand the fact that people like a character they don't, or hardly even entertain the idea that perhaps the character can be interpreted in more than one way, which makes it very difficult to even try and discuss many things - and since we're talking about a character that is pivotal to the story, as well as DA universe as a whole (he's directly responsible for the world in its current shape, he was there when the ancient history was happening and is one of the few who knows many secrets Thedas at large has forgotten about) it can impact a lot.

 

And before someone goes "but you Solas fans don't entertain the possibility that Solas may not be as good/likable/worthy of sympathy as you think it is" - I can't speak for anyone else, but think there's enough evidence in the thread to suggest that at least a good portion of people, including myself, has made it clear that either they're aware of Solas's flaws, don't condone the plans he has for Thedas (at the very least in shape that they appear to have now) and are prepared for the possibility that things can go either ways when it comes to story's conclusion... or perhaps even in ways that are hard to predict, given the open-ended and vague nature of DAI's epilogue.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I think it's pretty clear from Arvaraad's comment that it can go both ways.

 

The problem occurs when there are people (not talking about you) who appear to be unable to stand the fact that people like a character they don't, or hardly even entertain the idea that perhaps the character can be interpreted in more than one way, which makes it very difficult to even try and discuss many things - and since we're talking about a character that is pivotal to the story, as well as DA universe as a whole (he's directly responsible for the world in its current shape, he was there when the ancient history was happening and is one of the few who knows many secrets Thedas at large has forgotten about) it can impact a lot.

 

And before someone goes "but you Solas fans don't entertain the possibility that Solas may not be as good/likable/worthy of sympathy as you think it is" - I can't speak for anyone else, but think there's enough evidence in the thread to suggest that at least a good portion of people, including myself, has made it clear that either they're aware of Solas's flaws, don't condone the plans he has for Thedas (at the very least in shape that they appear to have now) and are prepared for the possibility that things can go either ways when it comes to story's conclusion... or perhaps even in ways that are hard to predict, given the open-ended and vague nature of DAI's epilogue.

 

There are flaws with Solas that Solas' fans don't even recognize or realize.

 

Solas doesn't even have time to spend with Lavellan.   At best, he's busy being Leonardo Da Vinci and at worst, he is busy being a mass murderer.   Have you not seen the size of his murals?    After every major quest there is another for us to view. The egghead is either busy painting or busy dreaming or busy spellcasting or busy planning global apocalypse. He ain't got time for romance - Its why you only get an imaginary kiss, a dance and another kiss with some butt grabbing before he breaks up with you, takes your tattoos away, later magically amputates you and then stalks you in your dreams.

 

[Hair Serious Business]

Why do most people keep going for Morrigan and after DA:I Leliana?

Why do most people who rolled human noble marry Alistair /Anora?

Why do people romance Anders in first place in DA2?

Why is seriously Liara most romanced crew member in ME universe despite not being that much interesting in here?

Why? Why!?

 

Because players loooo~~~~ve being biggest 'Mary Sues' of story and best way to be that is to well "romance" the Mary Sue(most relevant character to plot) so their character can be just as important to that plot and so players can feel as if they were just as "important" as those characters. Simple, really.

[Shechinah]

Because players loooo~~~~ve being biggest 'Mary Sues' of story and best way to be that is to well "romance" the Mary Sue(most relevant character to plot) so their character can be just as important to that plot and so players can feel as if they were just as "important" as those characters. Simple, really.

 

A character being the most relevent to the plot does not in itself make that character a Sue. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Why do most people keep going for Morrigan and after DA:I Leliana?

Why do most people who rolled human noble marry Alistair /Anora?

Why do people romance Anders in first place in DA2?

Why is seriously Liara most romanced crew member in ME universe despite not being that much interesting in here?

Why? Why!?

 

Because players loooo~~~~ve being biggest 'Mary Sues' of story and best way to be that is to well "romance" the Mary Sue(most relevant character to plot) so their character can be just as important to that plot and so players can feel as if they were just as "important" as those characters. Simple, really.

 

1) I used to like Morrigan and ignored her flaws when I was young and foolish. DAO is an old game after all. Now I prefer Leliana over Morrigan. Leliana does not support slavery, does not intend to sperm jack you and does not disapprove if you help people. I know many like romancing Morrigan but I don't.

 

2) I personally don't choose to roll a Human noble, its just the choice I get stuck with. One of my favorite archetype in RPGs is the Human Rogue protagonist. This character has no special powers, does not have any inherent connection to the Fade or inherent magic resistance or ties to the Dragons. All they have is their own wit, own will and their own skills - Its like being Hawkeye or Black Widow or Batman or Green Arrow (f*ck Olicity for ruining that show) in a world of enhanced individuals. I like playing the badass normal and so I like playing Human Rogue. Its not my fault if Bioware chooses to make human as nobles - Its why Rogue Hawke is my favorite human protagonist in DA games. I also don't like to marry Anora - Being a king takes too much work and too much drama but someone's got to do it so my Cousland persuaded Alistair to marry Anora while he chooses to stick with hardened Leliana.

 

3) I don't like romancing the Theodosian Unabomber Abomination Terrorist. I know many do but I don't.

 

4) I prefer Tali or Miranda. I don't really like romancing Asari because of their mind-reading capabilities. To me, your mind should be your own and its privacy should not be violated. Also, Liara's romance arc is awful - Its just one reaffirmation after another. Once again, I know many that do but I don't.

[Hair Serious Business]

A character being the most relevent to the plot does not in itself make that character a Sue. 

 

In Leliana and especially Liara's case, oh yes it does lol

[IllustriousT]

1) I used to like Morrigan and ignored her flaws when I was young and foolish. DAO is an old game after all. Now I prefer Leliana over Morrigan. Leliana does not support slavery, does not intend sperm jack you and does not disapprove if you help people. I know many like romancing Morrigan but I don't.

 

2) I personally don't choose to roll a Human noble, its just the choice I get stuck with. One of my favorite archetype in RPGs is the Human Rogue protagonist. This character has no special powers, does not have any inherent connection to the Fade or inherent magic resistance or ties to the Dragons. All they have is their own wit, own will and their own skills - Its like being Hawkeye or Black Widow in a world of enhanced individuals. I like playing the badass normal and so I like playing Human Rogue. Its not my fault if Bioware chooses to make human as nobles - Its why Rogue Hawke is my favorite human protagonist in DA games. I also don't like to marry Anora - Being a king takes too much work and too much drama but someone's got to do it so my Cousland persuaded Alistair to marry Anora while he chooses to stick with hardened Leliana.

 

3) I don't like romancing the Theodosian Unabomber Abomination Terrorist. I know many do but I don't.

 

4) I prefer Tali or Miranda. I don't really like romancing Asari because of their mind-reading capabilities. To me, your mind should be your own and its privacy should not be violated. Also, Liara's romance arc is awful - Its just one reaffirmation after another. Once again, I know many that do but I don't.

 

 

I think this is interesting - to compare past LI and/or decision with our stance on Solas. It will probably say a lot about us  .

 

DA:O - Played Elf/Mage - Romanced hardened Alistair and Zevran - committed the Ultimate Sacrifice with both still ranked "love" with me.

Morrigan was my friend - but did not do DR.

 

DA:2 - Played Mage - Pro-Mage attitude - initially thought Anders would be the best choice since I was pro-mage, but he soured on me quickly, and I found Fenris to be the better match for my Hawke. Martyred Anders for mage cause.

 

DAI - Mage/Elf - went with Solas (before Trespasser) because he was also a Mage/Elf who had different perspectives on Elven culture - and I was interested. I really didn't see the whole "I'm an Elven God" thing coming. 

 

Edited to add:

  I like tragic endings - and they just seem to naturally happen to me in my playthroughs.

[Shechinah]

In Leliana and especially Liara's case, oh yes it does lol

 
A character being the most relevent to the plot does not in itself make that character a Sue: it makes the character most relevent to the plot and that alone cannot make a character a Sue. There are additional factors necessary.

 

By the logic presented by your definition, any character that is most relevent to the plot would be a Sue regardless of how else they are written, thus a character that has legitimate flaws that are presented as such would be a Sue solely because they are most relevent to the plot even if their relevency is not of a Sueish nature.  

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I think this is interesting - to compare past LI and/or decision with our stance on Solas. It will probably say a lot about us  .

 

DA:O - Played Elf/Mage - Romanced hardened Alistair and Zevran - committed the Ultimate Sacrifice with both still ranked "love" with me.

Morrigan was my friend - but did not do DR.

 

DA:2 - Played Mage - Pro-Mage attitude - initially thought Anders would be the best choice since I was pro-mage, but he soured on me quickly, and I found Fenris to be the better match for my Hawke. Martyred Anders for mage cause.

 

DAI - Mage/Elf - went with Solas (before Trespasser) because he was also a Mage/Elf who had different perspectives on Elven culture - and I was interested. I really didn't see the whole "I'm an Elven God" thing coming. 

 

Edited to add:

  I like tragic endings - and they just seem to naturally happen to me in my playthroughs.

 

Well I used to play mage a lot before, now I prefer Rogue because Bioware decided to turn mages into pseudo-mutants / pseudo-Inhumans.

[IllustriousT]

Well I used to play mage a lot before, now I prefer Rogue because Bioware decided to turn mages into pseudo-mutants / pseudo-Inhumans.

 

Rogue PT are fun as well. My last PT in DAI was a human rogue  - and it was a blast, no doubt. My inclination is to be an elf, I think its the oppressive nature of the race, and to be a mage to exhibit my supernatural power fantasies  . I always wanted to be a Jedi  - or a Sith Lord - power without restrictions  .  

[Medhia_Nox]

...Chaotic evil supervillain, huh?

 

Well, it's your prerogative to think that way if you wish so, and considering your firm stance on the matter I don't think there's anything we can discuss here really - but that doesn't change the fact that neither the work, or its authors, support such extreme view. Just saying.

 

I loathe Solas - and even I don't think he's Chaotic Evil. 

 

Lawful Evil actually... only lawful evil people are delusional enough to think that their actions have merit because of "tradition" or "laws they make up" or "logic traps of justification". 

 

A chaotic evil being is more "honest" by nature... it cannot help itself but be the worst possible evil it can try to be (to the natural, most self-destructive conclusion). 

 

Had Solas been chaotic evil... he would have, I dunno, grabbed the Inquisitor and whisked him/her off to Skyhold for his own purposes while laughing maniacally and... hmm... playing in his feces.  Yeah... definitely some feces play for chaotic evil Solas. 

 

Of course - while I find value in the D&D alignments - they are very broad, basic guidelines.  

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Rogue PT are fun as well. My last PT in DAI was a human rogue  - and it was a blast, no doubt. My natural inclination is to be an elf, I think its the oppressive nature of the race, and to be a mage to exhibit my supernatural power fantasies  . I always wanted to be a Jedi  - or a Sith Lord - power without restrictions  .  

 

I prefer my Elves to be magical as well due to their original associations with fairies and spirits but my Humans are ordinary and rely on technology and dirty fighting whereas I prefer my Dwarves to be strong, stalwart and have some form of "magic" like being a Templar or a Reaver or a Spirit Warrior.

[midnight tea]

There are flaws with Solas that Solas' fans don't even recognize or realize.

 

Solas doesn't even have time to spend with Lavellan.   At best, he's busy being Leonardo Da Vinci and at worst, he is busy being a mass murderer.   Have you not seen the size of his murals?    After every major quest there is another for us to view. The egghead is either busy painting or busy dreaming or busy spellcasting or busy planning global apocalypse. He ain't got time for romance - Its why you only get an imaginary kiss, a dance and another kiss with some butt grabbing before he breaks up with you, takes your tattoos away, later magically amputates you and then stalks you in your dreams.

 

 

Citing your elaborate headcanon and confusing it for "in-game facts" again I see?

 

Spoiler

...And ignoring the fact that realistically most of the time Inquisitor would spend on the road, *outside* of Skyhold, doing all those quests that can be done between following crit path, when you yourself noted that each segment of fresco appears only after each major story beat?

I mean, unless you suggest that he uses some sort of secret pocket eluvian he takes with him to go back to painting every time Lavellan drags him on a trip to Hissing Wastes, or he spends all that time just sleeping or juggling fireballs or writing secret things in His Secret Apocalypse Notebook Nevermind that Inquisitor is probably just as busy saving the whole frikking world - doesn't mean that they're unable to organize their time together. I mean, Solas can always tell all those stories and answer all those questions Inky has in bed or a tent... right? And it's not like Inquisitor and Solas haven't had at least one chat while in the Fade, so it means that they can have more... right?

Like, I don't think anyone realistically assumes that a few cutscenes and dialogues is ALL we get from either a romance or, in fact, any companion? Especially that many dialogue options or banters suggest off-screen activities and interactions, which include Solas sparing some time to learn and beat Blackwall in Diamondback, or tell stories to Josie, or participating in a banquet/meeting where an angry noble has thrown a glass of wine at him for being an apostate, or... you know... it being ambiguously suggested that Solas and Lavellan sleep together in the midst of being busy with everything else... Or painting the frikking mural which we never see him paint.

 

Point is, many efficient people can organize their time well, and Solas is portrayed as pretty efficient. After all, you yourself point out how many things he does.

 

Oh and something from a perspective of an artist - since you're speaking with one: depending on a technique, even large frescoes can be painted in fairly short time. In fact with frescoes it's necessary to apply the paint quickly on yet wet plaster, so it'd fuse with it and effectively become part of the wall and be able to withstand long time; much longer than just paint on a dry wall.

And Solas's style is relatively simple all things considered and painted with quick, expressive strokes and broad, geometric forms - it's not a Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel style of painting; this thing is done with speed as much as skill. Realistically then paining each mural panel could take Solas... a few days? A week? So at worst he spends about 2 months on a whole, out of at least 6 to 23 months Inquisition can last. Plus, of course, let's not forget that Solas can probably rely on magic to speed things up if necessary. It's an ancient elvhen fresco technique after all.

 

Also - why are you focusing at the romance aspect alone  ? And in a way that suggests that you think I somehow confuse it with something that happens to me? Aaaand of course being a troll about it, in a way that demonstrates that you're in not really interested with any reasonable discussion, but what you think must be getting a raise out of "deluded women", because OF COURSE they're all women and they've all romanced Solas, or care only about that 

 

... I mean, really? Is there some sort of validation thing going on?

[Lezio]

I loathe Solas - and even I don't think he's Chaotic Evil. 

 

Lawful Evil actually... only lawful evil people are delusional enough to think that their actions have merit because of "tradition" or "laws they make up" or "logic traps of justification". 

 

A chaotic evil being is more "honest" by nature... it cannot help itself but be the worst possible evil it can try to be (to the natural, most self-destructive conclusion). 

 

Had Solas been chaotic evil... he would have, I dunno, grabbed the Inquisitor and whisked him/her off to Skyhold for his own purposes while laughing maniacally and... hmm... playing in his feces.  Yeah... definitely some feces play for chaotic evil Solas. 

 

Of course - while I find value in the D&D alignments - they are very broad, basic guidelines.  

 

Kind of agree on the Lawful Evil, but i feel like he's a special version of it

 

I think i dislike Solas (the character, not his development or characterization) as much as i do precisely because he has justifications and excuses for evey horrible thing he does, and yet keeps doing them. A good comparison is Ozymandias from Watchmen, that guy knew just horrible and despicable what he was doing really was and didn't pretend otherwise, plus, most of all, he did what he did for a reason that actually made sense.

Basically there was a "honesty" to him that stopped me from disliking him as a character

 

Solas, in a way, reminds me of Michael from GTAV, only the opposite. Michael, in that game, lied to himself because he actually wanted and tried to be a better person, knowing that his true nature was that of the "chaotic evil/neutral". Or at least that's my explanation as to why he's so miserable at the beginning of the game and so "happy" at the end of it

 

Solas, in my opinion, may have been a good person once, but in the present he has done so much horrible stuff, and keeps doing so much horrible stuff, that as of now he just forces himself to feel guilty, or sad, or torn about his actions towards the modern day people or their supporters because if he doesn't feel those emotions, if he feels nothing.... well, he's the Evanuris, and if there's something the guy doesn't want it's just that

 

This is how i see him, anyway

[midnight tea]

Kind of agree on the Lawful Evil, but i feel like he's a special version of it

 

I think i dislike Solas (the character, not his development or characterization) as much as i do precisely because he has justifications and excuses for evey horrible thing he does, and yet keeps doing them.

 

That sentence kinda makes no sense - so he has justification for each of his actions and yet he keeps doing them? That's a double negative.

 

I mean aside form it being factually inaccurate. The justification and excuses part at least - the guy is so plagued with guilt the only thing he says is left to him at one point are his mistakes. In Trespasser he keeps taking blame on himself for... well, pretty much everything it seems at time - he makes countless mistakes, he got his hands bloody, and so on. He even says 'I'm not like Corypheus" only in a sense that he takes no joy in what he does or tries to minimize casualties or terror inflicted on them. He KNOWS how his revelations make him look like to Inky, and only distinguishes himself from Cory in a minimal sense, because he knows what he's planning to do is... well... inexcusable. He underlines many times that he will pay for this dearly.

 

And as much as we don't yet know about his schemes and how they truly look, you can't really categorize all his reasons for it as "excuses" - he tries to save his people and bring about balance to the world which his veil has disrupted. And how this would look we're yet to see, even if I think that we'd probably going to have to search for a much better solution.

 

A good comparison is Ozymandias from Watchmen, that guy knew just horrible and despicable what he was doing really was and didn't pretend otherwise, plus, most of all, he did what he did for a reason that actually made sense.

 

Made sense only because you now know the full extent of them. With Solas we don't yet know.

 

Solas, in a way, reminds me of Michael from GTAV, only the opposite. Michael, in that game, lied to himself because he actually wanted and tried to be a better person, knowing that his true nature was that of the "chaotic evil/neutral". Or at least that's my explanation as to why he's so miserable at the beginning of the game and so "happy" at the end of it

 

So basically you're assuming that Solas can't be good, because his nature is that of being evil? That's an interesting point in a sense that I see the exact opposite: Solas on a path of destruction because he himself believes that he can't be good.

He's like Dorian in Cole's banter: "You let it keep hurting, because you think hurting is who you are." He's so beaten down that he lost faith in the world and more importantly he's lost faith in himself. At this point his plan is probably in large part about freeing the world from what he thinks is his worst mistake and in the end probably free it from himself.

 

 

Solas, in my opinion, may have been a good person once, but in the present he has done so much horrible stuff, and keeps doing so much horrible stuff, that as of now he just forces himself to feel guilty, or sad, or torn about his actions towards the modern day people or their supporters because if he doesn't feel those emotions, if he feels nothing.... well, he's the Evanuris, and if there's something the guy doesn't want it's just that

 

Forces himself? None of his approvals or comments where he displays compassion and care seem forced. But I think that at this point, whether he cares or not, his opinion on that doesn't matter - he has a duty to the world and his people.

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I loathe Solas - and even I don't think he's Chaotic Evil.

Lawful Evil actually... only lawful evil people are delusional enough to think that their actions have merit because of "tradition" or "laws they make up" or "logic traps of justification".

A chaotic evil being is more "honest" by nature... it cannot help itself but be the worst possible evil it can try to be (to the natural, most self-destructive conclusion).

Had Solas been chaotic evil... he would have, I dunno, grabbed the Inquisitor and whisked him/her off to Skyhold for his own purposes while laughing maniacally and... hmm... playing in his feces. Yeah... definitely some feces play for chaotic evil Solas.

Of course - while I find value in the D&D alignments - they are very broad, basic guidelines.

See, I'm still torn on whether Solas is more lawful or chaotic aligned. Mostly because I'm not sure how much of his personality in the base game was part of an act, or mask, and how much is his true nature.

He certainly seems to fall into some lawful trappings...being defeated by his own internal logic/rules. But then he has some chaotic trappings as well...leaping without looking, impulsive, unpredictable. He's really hard to slap a label on, almost like he has two different personalities, or swinging from one extreme to the other.

Interestingly enough, I think this fits the idea of a Solas being a spirit....because it means he's adapting to his opponent/environment according to what they expect, and appears to be using the Inquisitor's own strengths against them, kind of like pride demons are said to do.

If he is modeled off a trickster archtype...then very likely he is neither, or both. What makes a trickster a trickster is often their liminal nature, existing in two spheres at once, and crossing borders, etc. And in folklore, they are often occasionally driven mad at some point by their own internal conflicts. That does fit the lore about Fen'Harel.