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[Hellion Rex]

In all honesty, in regards to the color of the magic, I think we're way over thinking this. We have seen blood magic enthrall the mind before, in both DAO and DA2.  I don't know why we're really debating this lol.

[midnight tea]

Well, I concede then.

 

And Mythal's Accountant does roll off the tongue well, no?

 

Hahaha, it would actually be funny if it was true and we had an option to ask Solas about it. Can you imagine? Big booming music at the end of Trespasser or sad violins. Solas muses about the past in his gleaming armor, emanating with power...

 

Inky: "So, what was your relationship with Mythal?"
Solas: "I was her accountant."

 

Threat Level in Player's Head drops from 9 to 4

[Sah291]

In all honesty, in regards to the color of the magic, I think we're way over thinking this. We have seen blood magic enthrall the mind before, in both DAO and DA2.  I don't know why we're really debating this lol.

Red is pretty much everywhere the color for dark magic, and for blood, vital life energy/force, physical plane/body, low vibrational frequency, etc... Pretty obvious what it is meant there with that, and they could just be following common tropes with those...

[Illegitimus]

Yeah, I don't get that either. How can something that weakens the Veil make it harder to access the Fade?

 

Well I just gave an answer to that.  It's harder to access the Fade when you have to fight your way past demons to do it.  

[midnight tea]

Yeah, I don't get that either. How can something that weakens the Veil make it harder to access the Fade?

 

Because the Veil and the Fade are not the same. Blood weakening the Veil doesn't necessarily has to work "in favor" of the Fade; merely reacts to something, like a metal box can react to a corrosive, without harming the contents perhaps?

 

Also - I'd like to remind that Solas was talking about entering the Fade through dreams. And we know of other substances that makes it harder to enter the Fade (as explained by Patrick Weekes in Nerd Appropriate interview)... and it's tea In fact every caffeinated beverage or product does that (which means Solas probably doesn't eat a lot of chocolate as well).

 

So make of it as you will. Blood... and tea/coffe makes it harder for Dreamer to pass through to the Fade... Someone invent tea magic!!

 

 

But more seriously - I can only imagine that Wekees mentioned that the reason caffeinated products make it harder is because of the caffeine in it. And caffeine - in our world at least - tricks the brain into thinking that it's still wide awake.

So it has to do with a state of alertness or awareness that someone is awake and in real world. We also know that can Cole experience a moment when there was a tremor in the Veil and it scared him and made him unfocused, so Solas advised him to 'focus on the real world' in order to stay on the side of Thedas instead of drifting back to the Fade. So being aware that you're in real world that keeps people 'anchored' to the realm.

 

I'm not sure if it's the same about blood though. Other than blood, naturally, is a physical thing that belongs to physical world, but at the very same time blood is also a life force that can increase mage's power. And it actually works the same way as lyrium... It's documented that Cory and his team used most of Tevinter's reserves of lyrium AND blood of slaves to open the passage to Fade and make their trip to the Golden City. We also know that both blood and blood of Titans can augment mage's strength, while at the same time lyrium gives Templars powers to "reinforce reality".

 

So, since it "reinforces reality" (or mage's power to affect it) it makes sense that it works on physical forms, or helps retain the real form while in the Fade. It also make sense that it attracts demons, since demons are generally attracted to real world, and - by extension - anything that's 'real' or what helps them obtain or reach it.

 

The Veil may not be a good barrier for (large amounts) of it, because the Veil is - as called as such by Spirit!Cole in Trespasser - "fake, false, fabricated to forbid" if I remember correctly... So it technically shouldn't be part of reality and therefore blood and lyrium has a 'corrosive' effect on it?

 

And perhaps the usage of the blood makes the physical body sort of more of a tightly shut container for the more non-corporeal parts of Thedosians - a psyche or a spirit? Solas did call a physical body both a 'shackle' and a 'strength' when he described it to spirit of Command...

 

So basically, if exposed to blood magic (or caffeine) his mind can't leave the confines of his body to wander the Fade in dreams, because his own body is "too real" to ignore it and it anchors him to reality?

 

This is all speculation of course, but so far it's my best shot.

[midnight tea]

Red is pretty much everywhere the color for dark magic, and for blood, vital life energy/force, physical plane/body, low vibrational frequency, etc... Pretty obvious what it is meant there with that, and they could just be following common tropes with those...

 

Well, we do know that Cole calls Red Lyrium (emanating the same color) "very angry" so red is pretty obviously the color related with anger in universe. And more than surely the color of Blight itself. 

 

What's interesting is that the color coding seems fully intentional - and fairly straightforward. The blood magic is the color of blood, naturally. The Blight magic is (glowing) red. The ancient elfy magic that Evanuris /Solas use is blue... and it's also incidentally the color of lyrium. The power of raw Fade is green. So... RGB  Combine them and they create white light

 

There's also another, rare type of magic and it's golden/yellow. We see the spirit of Divine glow it, and we see it during the dispelling attack Seekers/Templars use.

 

The rarest type of magic I've seen (in Trespaser) is actually purple. Like purple flames Solas leaves behind that can one-shot if we cross it without Anchor's shield. The blue magic he and Flemeth use also has a purple'ish tinge to it sometimes. I wonder if it denotes a close relation between Evanuris and Blight magic?

[Lezio]

Came back and people are talking about green, red and blue magic

 

Kinda makes me feel uneasy about how the series will end

[Xerrai]

Came back and people are talking about green, red and blue magic

 

Kinda makes me feel uneasy about how the series will end

 

Hopefully, with the ruckus the ME3 made (a petition, forum yelling, etc.), they know not to do that sort of ending.

 

Ever.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Came back and people are talking about green, red and blue magic

 

Kinda makes me feel uneasy about how the series will end

Well...

[Lezio]

Well...

....

 

Not helping

 

Now i can't stop thinking about Morrigan, daughter of the best symbiotic duo ever (Flemeth + Mythal), using green magic against her mother. Synthesis

 

Gotta say, i'm freaked

[The Elder King]

 

That's the main difference between us.

The writers aren't a supreme authority for me no matter what they said they can't make their vision manifest at the expense of my vision that would totally undermine their own world.

 If Jennifer Brandes Hepler say that Anders isn't a terrorist but a complex character that doesn't mean that she is right for me.

 

 

 

That right. And that's fine.

 

Even when Rowling revealed that she always thought of Dumbledore as a homosexual, that doesn't mean every reader should have to accept that. Several continue reading Harry Potter with the interpretation that Dumbledore is straight. And that is totally ok. That's the beauty of interpretation.

 

But the important thing to remember is that while readers (or in this case, players) can interpret a character as being one thing, that does not mean the interpretor's view is the only valid one.

It depends on the matter we're discussing though. Dumbledore in the books is never seen in any romantic relationship or situations (well, directly). It's easy to still interpret Dumbledore as straight or whatever one person might things.

It doesn't matter much anyway in a roleplaying game. My characters don't have access to any outside info, as well as my logic based on what I see in the game outside of what my character experience. For example, I thought even before Gaider confirmed Loghain didn't plot the death of the Couslands with Howe. It didn't change the fact that my main Cousland Warden, based on the events following Ostagar and Eamon's attempted assassination thought so (Expecially because his rage and anger on Howe was a bit clouding his judgment in anything related to the arle). And that added a lot of my enjoyment of that particular playthrough.

[BansheeOwnage]

Bah, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The schtick of Elvhen Gods appears to be that they're infuriatingly difficult to guess things about

 

But you know what I wouldn't mind to see? Kieran as a companion.

Is Kieran a mage? And is non-OGB Kieran a mage? And is formerly-OGB Kieran a mage?

 

LOL I literally can't use the data to support anything other than your conclusion? 

 

Solas is an extreme villain and even if I came up with a thousand ways of saying it, it wouldn't do justice to that notion. He is absolutely disgusting, and I'm mesmerized that anyone could possibly be a fan of him in the sense of actual liking him, in fact I think he was designed to be detested, basically, but as we say here, it's just my feelings and there's all there is to that. 

You can have whatever personal interpretation of Solas you want, but if you say that you think Solas was designed to be detested, you'd just be flatly, unequivocally, wrong. His designers have said that he was designed not to be detested, and that's what makes him interesting (according to them and me).

 

Citing your elaborate headcanon and confusing it for "in-game facts" again I see?

 

Spoiler

...And ignoring the fact that realistically most of the time Inquisitor would spend on the road, *outside* of Skyhold, doing all those quests that can be done between following crit path, when you yourself noted that each segment of fresco appears only after each major story beat?

I mean, unless you suggest that he uses some sort of secret pocket eluvian he takes with him to go back to painting every time Lavellan drags him on a trip to Hissing Wastes, or he spends all that time just sleeping or juggling fireballs or writing secret things in His Secret Apocalypse Notebook Nevermind that Inquisitor is probably just as busy saving the whole frikking world - doesn't mean that they're unable to organize their time together. I mean, Solas can always tell all those stories and answer all those questions Inky has in bed or a tent... right? And it's not like Inquisitor and Solas haven't had at least one chat while in the Fade, so it means that they can have more... right?

Like, I don't think anyone realistically assumes that a few cutscenes and dialogues is ALL we get from either a romance or, in fact, any companion? Especially that many dialogue options or banters suggest off-screen activities and interactions, which include Solas sparing some time to learn and beat Blackwall in Diamondback, or tell stories to Josie, or participating in a banquet/meeting where an angry noble has thrown a glass of wine at him for being an apostate, or... you know... it being ambiguously suggested that Solas and Lavellan sleep together in the midst of being busy with everything else... Or painting the frikking mural which we never see him paint.

 

Point is, many efficient people can organize their time well, and Solas is portrayed as pretty efficient. After all, you yourself point out how many things he does.

 

Oh and something from a perspective of an artist - since you're speaking with one: depending on a technique, even large frescoes can be painted in fairly short time. In fact with frescoes it's necessary to apply the paint quickly on yet wet plaster, so it'd fuse with it and effectively become part of the wall and be able to withstand long time; much longer than just paint on a dry wall.

And Solas's style is relatively simple all things considered and painted with quick, expressive strokes and broad, geometric forms - it's not a Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel style of painting; this thing is done with speed as much as skill. Realistically then paining each mural panel could take Solas... a few days? A week? So at worst he spends about 2 months on a whole, out of at least 6 to 23 months Inquisition can last. Plus, of course, let's not forget that Solas can probably rely on magic to speed things up if necessary. It's an ancient elvhen fresco technique after all.

 

Also - why are you focusing at the romance aspect alone  ? And in a way that suggests that you think I somehow confuse it with something that happens to me? Aaaand of course being a troll about it, in a way that demonstrates that you're in not really interested with any reasonable discussion, but what you think must be getting a raise out of "deluded women", because OF COURSE they're all women and they've all romanced Solas, or care only about that 

 

... I mean, really? Is there some sort of validation thing going on?

Hey, you're responding to the person who (IIRC) argued that Josephine and Cullen's romances didn't make sense/were unhealthy because through their logic, you couldn't spend "enough" time with them for them to "make sense" or be "healthy" or "realistic". So I don't find it surprising that they'd say something similar about Solas. It's nonsense of course, as you've already pointed out. It's also nonsense for Josephine and Cullen, so it would be much, much more nonsensical for someone who not only travels with you, but can also hang out with you when you're sleeping, romance or no. There is plenty of time for them to spend together. Seriously.

[The Elder King]

@Banshee: I think Kieran is easily a mage no matter what. Expecially in the case they use him in a future game, it'd make it easier to add him.

I don't think he'll never be one though. I'm not sure they'll add a companion that only some can have. An important NPC substituted by another like Mordin or Legion in ME3, maybe.

 

Xerrai, on 01 May 2016 - 12:32 AM, said:

Hopefully, with the ruckus the ME3 made (a petition, forum yelling, etc.), they know not to do that sort of ending.

 

Ever.

Eh, it'd make me laugh too much to even care, but I agree.

[Sah291]

Well, we do know that Cole calls Red Lyrium (emanating the same color) "very angry" so red is pretty obviously the color related with anger in universe. And more than surely the color of Blight itself.

What's interesting is that the color coding seems fully intentional - and fairly straightforward. The blood magic is the color of blood, naturally. The Blight magic is (glowing) red. The ancient elfy magic that Evanuris /Solas use is blue... and it's also incidentally the color of lyrium. The power of raw Fade is green. So... RGB Combine them and they create white light

There's also another, rare type of magic and it's golden/yellow. We see the spirit of Divine glow it, and we see it during the dispelling attack Seekers/Templars use.

The rarest type of magic I've seen (in Trespaser) is actually purple. Like purple flames Solas leaves behind that can one-shot if we cross it without Anchor's shield. The blue magic he and Flemeth use also has a purple'ish tinge to it sometimes. I wonder if it denotes a close relation between Evanuris and Blight magic?

These are the most common magical color associations. Each color corresponds to different states of consciousness... If there is color coding, I bet they follow these.

Black/Brown: Protection, death, earth, grounding.
Red: Passion, anger, vital life force, sex.
Orange: Strength, sustainment, creativity.
Yellow: Solar plexus, intellect, reason, knowledge.
Green/Pink: Heart chakra, seat of the soul, balance, tranquillity, love.
Blue: Communication, wisdom, thought.
Indio/Violet: Third eye and crown chakras, spirituality.
Gold: Divine, angelic realm, wisdom, power.
White: Purity, transcendence.

[Xerrai]

These are the most common magical color associations. Each color corresponds to different states of consciousness... If there is color coding, I bet they follow these.

Black/Brown: Protection, death, earth, grounding.
Red: Passion, anger, vital life force, sex.
Orange: Strenght, sustainment, creativity.
Yellow: Solar plexus, intellect, reason, knowledge.
Green/Pink: Heart chakra, seat of the soul, balance, tranquillity, love.
Blue: Communication, wisdom, thought.
Indio/Violet: Third eye and crown chakras, spirituality.
Gold: Divine, angelic realm, wisdom, power.
White: Purity, transcendence.

Here we are in a thread talking about Solas, and we are talking about the color of magic. Lol.

 

Riddle me this though:

If there was a mage who had  the power of the rainbow going on, what would that mean?

[dawnstone]

Lol, everyone knows the color of magic is octarine.

[Sah291]

Here we are in a thread talking about Solas, and we are talking about the color of magic. Lol.
 
Riddle me this though:
If there was a mage who had  the power of the rainbow going on, what would that mean?

This is a typical Solas thead.

They'd be very balanced and harmonious. Or uh, they took too much lyrium.

[Seraphim24]

I agree with German Soldier, I don't treat a writer's vision as inherently more meaningful or accurate then my own interpretation.

[Aren]

Well...

 

 

 

-I have never understood why the Warden eyes glow blue in the trailer unless it is a templar who is assuming Lyrium(it can be a spiritual warrior they are present only in Awakening).

 

-There is a mod in DAII that works only for female Hawke that makes her eyes glow red like Meredith, i don't recall blood magic to had that effects upon the eyes.

[The Elder King]

I agree with German Soldier, I don't treat a writer's vision as inherently more meaningful then my own interpretation.

Well, I think anyone is free to have their own interpretation. But on the same time you have to consider that your interpretation can be proven wrong in any time by the developers in their following games or lore info. 

[Seraphim24]

Well, I think anyone is free to have their own interpretation. But on the same time you have to consider that your interpretation can be proven wrong in any time by the developers in their following games or lore info. 

 

That's literally an exact contravention of the first principle you espoused.

 

So, um, no, I won't consider it?

[The Elder King]

 

-I have never understood why the Warden eyes glow blue in the trailer unless it is a templar who is assuming Lyrium(it can be a spiritual warrior they are present only in Awakening).

 

-There is a mod in DAII that works only for female Hawke that makes her eyes glow red like Meredith, i don't recall blood magic to had that effects upon the eyes.

 

The Warden trailer isn't 'canon' I think. The glowing blue eyes doesn't seem a symptom for using lyrium, and spirit warriors' powers were on some kind of reddish colour I think.

While the blood magic doesn't really had that effect in-game it's more possible that it can appear then the Warden one, though both in the end were mostly doing for making them look cool.

[The Elder King]

That's literally an exact contravention of the first principle you espoused.

 

So, um, no, I won't consider it?

It's not. Your intrepretation can be viable as long as something doesn't directly contradict your interpretation.

Using the HP example of before, if Dumbledore was seeing kissing a man in the books you can't say he's straight anymore. You'd go in the room of a fanfiction.

 

Of course, you can still believe in your interpretation if you want. You'd still be wrong though.

[Seraphim24]

It's not. You can have your interpretation as long as something doesn't directly contradict your interpretation.

 

Why? Why should in all seriousness care about anything you have to say about anything?

[German Soldier]

Well, I think anyone is free to have their own interpretation. But on the same time you have to consider that your interpretation can be proven wrong in any time by the developers in their following games or lore info. 

Interpretations about the lore can be proven wrong by the writers,interpretations about a person's behaviour can't be proven wrong by the writer's own interpretations just because they wrote a character.

Patrick Weekes may say that he inspired Solas to the Doctor who,i say that he inspired Solas to what he perceived of the Doctor who.