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Why do some of you girls maybe guys like ( love ) Solas so much ?


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#1676
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The Warden trailer isn't 'canon' I think. The glowing blue eyes doesn't seem a symptom for using lyrium, and spirit warriors' powers were on some kind of reddish colour I think.

While the blood magic doesn't really had that effect in-game it's more possible that it can appear then the Warden one, though both in the end were mostly doing for making them look cool.

O yes the spiritual warriors had a sort of pink violet color,it was only Anders that had blue eyes with justice but yes they are just visual effects for the trailer without meaning.



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Why? Why should in all seriousness care about anything you have to say about anything?

Why should who? You?

The games are made by the developers. In the games there are several things that can be interpreted in different ways, but if those things are later clarified some interpretations will end up being wrong. A person can still believe in their intepretation, that doesn't change the fact that it's not possible to be true.

 

For example, the case of Arlathan. There were people who believed that the elven empire wouldn't have been that peaceful kingdom as many elves believe in modern Thedas. Both interpretations were still possible until the devs shown in TME and DAI that Arlathan wasn't that peaceful, This interpretation is proven to be wrong.


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#1678
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See like I just skipped over everything you just wrote because seriously what's people do. I just know it's there, but the content? I can just ignore it because that's how this all works.



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Interpretations about the lore can be proven wrong by the writers,interpretations about a person's behaviour can't be proven wrong by the writer's own interpretations just because they wrote a character.
Patrick Weekes may say that he inspired Solas to the Doctor who,i say that he inspired Solas to what he perceived of the Doctor who.

 

I don't exactly agree, but fair enough. It is a different and more complicated situation of the lore interpretation.



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See like I just skipped over everything you just wrote because seriously what's people do. I just know it's there, but the content? I can just ignore it because that's how this all works.

Well, you can ignore what the game directly show you, or believing your intepretation is true. I already said. It doesn't change the fact you'd be wrong.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is, at least in regard on lore interpretation. 



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Anyway I'm just stating again without reading anything in this thread because as stated I don't see why I should care what they have to say anyway, and to illustrate that is in fact how these things work that Solas is a jerk.

 

Thank you.

That's a different issue. How you feel about Solas or what do you believe he is is based on your values and opinions. Those are subjective things then what I was talking about. 



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Weekes has Solas say he hates tea. So Solas hates tea. There's nothing anyone can say that makes this false. If you do, you're just ignoring the story we're all talking about and making up your own fan fiction. 

 

Weekes can show us Solas cares about saving the peasants by showing us "Solas Approves" or "Solas Greatly Approves" or "Solas Slightly Approves" when we as a party do quests that save the peasants... get meat for them, find medicines, find rings, gather supplies. There's nothing you can say that makes this false. If you try to tell us Solas doesn't care, there's the game developer showing us through the game your opinion is wrong.

 

Now, you can say that it doesn't matter that he cares because he's going to enact a plan about the Veil... that's a legit way to look at the situation.

But it's also legit to say that the developers showing he cares about the peasants is a clue that we don't know everything about his plan for the Veil and that may change how we look at things later on in the story. 

 

Then you take the clue that he cares about the peasants and you match it up with a clue about him saving the world from the Evanuris. Then you take those two clues and match it up with Solas fighting to free slaves. Then you take another clue about the Evanuris fighting Titans and that having dangerous consequences for the world. Then you have another clue where Solas doesn't try to paint himself as a hero at the end of Trespasser, he's wracked with guilt about the elves and other things. 

 

Of course Bioware leaves all these clues, it makes it more interesting in looking forward to DA4. 


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Posting again without reading anything again to confirm you can in fact, disregard other people's interpretations of a character, including the authors, not respective of canon or whatever they want us to believe. 

 

Wrtiers aren't the sole authority of the messages they create, they present they want, and they can protest as much as they want when someone feels differently about something they do. But.

 

Watch this. 

 

Solas sucks. 

 

And an appropriate response to that is "Well, that's your subjective interpretation, which I disagree with, and here is the evidence in support of that conclusion."



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Posting again without reading anything again 

 

So you're kinda like this guy...

 

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Of course Bioware leaves all these clues, it makes it more interesting in looking forward to DA4. 

Eh, not really. With how they handled Trespasser and their intentions for it, it actually killed any enthusiasm for both DAI and DA4 for me. 



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Eh, not really. With how they handled Trespasser and their intentions for it, it actually killed any enthusiasm for both DAI and DA4 for me. 

 

Different strokes for different folks. 

 

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So you're kinda like this guy...

 

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Yup! I guess I can be, sorry, but I actually kind of like that movie.  :lol:

 

Anyway as you can see I am capable of reading other people's interpretations of character's as well, or opinions of my opinion, but I just think when it comes to this sort of thing regarding characters, no one should "monopolize" even if it comes directly from the author or other people's take, I see no reason to suddenly then treat that as a definitive answer to Solas's motivations or character.

 

I'll even grant the burden would be shifted to the competing interpretation, since you know, it's not what other people are saying, but nonetheless, no reason people can't bring it up. 



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I again suspect that people who hate Solas are really just jelly


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I again suspect that people who hate Solas are really just jelly

Jelly of what? 



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I again suspect that people who hate Solas are really just jelly


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Jelly of what? 

I don't know, but I'm guessing something along the lines of:

jelly that Solas has as large of a fanbase as he does, despite his faults

jelly that Solas has earned an adoring fanbase that are willing to jump to his defense.

jelly that Solas, an apostate hobo that you may hate, is an ancient elvhen god who has become important to the story

 

Idk. Something like that. Maybe. I genuinely don't know for certain. But those are my guesses.


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#1692
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Very jelly. How they wobble under the moon.

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Geez, I'm gone for a few hours and this thread gains four pages.

 

 

Solas says blood magic is magic--it only matters how it is used. He also says blood magic is a decent tool so long as it doesn't become a crutch nor a passion.

 

Presumably meaning, so long as you use yourself to fuel the power yourself, and not others, then it can be ok. Starting to use other people implies that you are becoming so reliant on blood magic to do whatever-you're-trying-to-do that you think using other people is fine in the effort to obtain power.

 

What I was referring to in my post was in the difference between why Solas doesn't use it, which I didn't recall at the time, and why Dorian doesn't use it. They both have essentially the same moral view of blood magic, but choose not to use it for different reasons.

 

But midnight tea answered my question; I'm all set, now.


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I again suspect that people who hate Solas are really just jelly

Or...people could have genuine reasons for disliking him...


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Weekes has Solas say he hates tea. So Solas hates tea. There's nothing anyone can say that makes this false. If you do, you're just ignoring the story we're all talking about and making up your own fan fiction. 
 
Weekes can show us Solas cares about saving the peasants by showing us "Solas Approves" or "Solas Greatly Approves" or "Solas Slightly Approves" when we as a party do quests that save the peasants... get meat for them, find medicines, find rings, gather supplies. There's nothing you can say that makes this false. If you try to tell us Solas doesn't care, there's the game developer showing us through the game your opinion is wrong.
 
Now, you can say that it doesn't matter that he cares because he's going to enact a plan about the Veil... that's a legit way to look at the situation.
But it's also legit to say that the developers showing he cares about the peasants is a clue that we don't know everything about his plan for the Veil and that may change how we look at things later on in the story. 
 
Then you take the clue that he cares about the peasants and you match it up with a clue about him saving the world from the Evanuris. Then you take those two clues and match it up with Solas fighting to free slaves. Then you take another clue about the Evanuris fighting Titans and that having dangerous consequences for the world. Then you have another clue where Solas doesn't try to paint himself as a hero at the end of Trespasser, he's wracked with guilt about the elves and other things. 
 
Of course Bioware leaves all these clues, it makes it more interesting in looking forward to DA4.


I'll start by saying that I do agree with your general premise here. BUT I'm reluctant to put such reliance on a game mechanic like approval, particularly since that is contingent on bringing Solas along in the party and completing those quests with him present.

Perhaps the player just speeds though the plot and doesn't do many side quests, or perhaps they don't bring Solas along for whatever reason (I use Dorian as my go-to mage). The limited size of the party, as well as a decent selection of mages (Solas, Dorian, Vivienne, and potentially the player) increases the likelihood that this is the case in any given play.

The same can be said of any sort of banter that might be revealing, whether about Solas or any other character. The player might have had banter troubles, or simply didn't bring along the party makeup to hear whatever revealing banters.

That's not to say that that important or revealing information isn't there, because it is, or that those same things aren't true (Solas approving helping peasants), because they are, but it's entirely reasonable that a player might have certain views of Solas based on what they didn't see and hear in their own game.

I don't think this aspect of it has anything to do with Solas as a character, but with a flaw in the game's design. If PW, or any writer, meant for those clues to be seen and heard to give the character more nuance, then they should have chosen a better delivery device.

I can say the same about any of the banter reveals, particularly those involving Cole reading the followers. Many of those are quite significant, but you wouldn't have heard them in some cases. I know I didn't in my first play because I never brought him anywhere (dealing with squishy rogues is not my thing).
 
 

Eh, not really. With how they handled Trespasser and their intentions for it, it actually killed any enthusiasm for both DAI and DA4 for me.

 
I find this to be very sad. :(



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I don't know, but I'm guessing something along the lines of:

jelly that Solas has as large of a fanbase as he does, despite his faults

jelly that Solas has earned an adoring fanbase that are willing to jump to his defense.

jelly that Solas, an apostate hobo that you may hate, is an ancient elvhen god who has become important to the story

 

Idk. Something like that. Maybe. I genuinely don't know for certain. But those are my guesses.

I hate Solas, but I couldn't care less about these things, and I don't even see how envy can be applied to any other than the third one. In fact, good job to Bioware for accomplishing that. 

 

Or...people could have genuine reasons for disliking him...

Agreed. Nothing to do with jealousy. 

 

 I find this to be very sad. :(

Me too, especially since DAI was my favorite of the Dragon Age games by far and I was actually really looking forward to the next one. 



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That's not to say that that important or revealing information isn't there, because it is, or that those same things aren't true (Solas approving helping peasants), because they are, but it's entirely reasonable that a player might have certain views of Solas based on what they didn't see and hear in their own game.

 

Ah, but nobody's saying that the game design is flawless. That's not the argument, as far as I can tell. For the purpose of this discussion, bringing things in that others may have missed is kinda the point. 



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'' You people hate Solas, that must mean you're jealous of him!!!!! JUELLY HATERS!!! ''

 

Are we in kindergarten? Seriously? This is what you people resort to?

Give me a freaking break...


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'' You people hate Solas, that must mean you're jealous of him!!!!! JUELLY HATERS!!! ''

Are we in kindergarten? Seriously? This is what you people resort to?
Give me a freaking break...


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'' You people hate Solas, that must mean you're jealous of him!!!!! JUELLY HATERS!!! ''

 

Are we in kindergarten? Seriously? This is what you people resort to?

Give me a freaking break...

 

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I think they were just kidding around though. 


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