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[Medhia_Nox]

 
The appeal of very flawed, or even monsterous, or inhuman characters is that they are often used as a device to explore what it means to be human. Or as commentary on some of the more violent and dark aspects of human nature. It is the same with very alien characters, characters with AI, supernatural, or other kinds of inhuman characters. It's not always meant to be taken so literal.


You forgot Alexius. I'll grant you that, DA is quite overabundant with crazy mages, to the point I think the writers probably expect an audience that dislikes them more than not, and to see them as the "other". I remember them saying they were surprised so many sided with the mages in DA2. Mage characters in the games do keep tricking or betraying the player.

 

I prefer characters that strive to overcome their flaws... not characters that bask in them.

 

Destroying the current world... because you destroyed the past world... is not overcoming anything.  It's static and showing that he's incapable of change (for now).  It is why I would be fine with him being revealed as a spirit. 

 

I suspect it's for the melodrama of "fixing" him - but that remains to be seen.  

 

I don't see anything about Solas that is struggling with his flaws.  Saying:  "I feel bad that I have to kill you, but I'm going to kill you anyway." is not something a self-actualized well adjusted being would say.  

 

I can't control what other people see... and I don't care that Mr. Weekes tried to imbue Solas with more sympathetic traits.  I recognize that he wanted to... but whatever traits he imbued Solas with... I don't empathize with at all - so it did not work for me, but to say I'm wrong because I can't see Solas as some sympathetic figure is arrogant and self-righteous (you don't say this). 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm sorry you feel that way. This is about the Inquisitor's fate, right? I recall you'd have liked to have him/her as the PC of DA4.

I find the revelations at the end DAI and Trespasser really interesting, and makes me a lot curious on the next games. I wonder if in one/The last one we'll find out if the Maker is real in some way, and how different he is to what the Andrastians believe (since the Fade isn't his creation), or if he's a part based on Fen'harel. 

And I want to know what kind of connection there is between the Old Gods and the elven 'gods'.

In part, yes. The other part is what they did, how they did it, and for what reasons that ruined DAI and made me lose faith in their writing abilities to the point of having no enthusiasm for future DA games. The vanilla game ended perfectly. The world was saved and you and maybe your LI stare off into the sunset while elsewhere they foreshadow Solas being more than what we thought. Then Trespasser comes out and for $15 all you get is "You lose" in pretty much every way, shape, and form. Oh joy.

Then there is the conversation with Solas which at first I thought was great since it set up a wonderful dynamic between him and the Inquisitor and would create a great relationship between protagonist and antagonist in DA4. Only to learn that they are scrapping all that for the idiotic "New protagonist every game" rule. They should have just left us in the dark until DA4 in that case since the new protagonist will only see Solas as Corypheus 2.0.

Then there was the way they sidelined the Inquisitor by cutting off their arm, because obviously a one-armed person can't save the world. I know Patrick Weekes says this wasn't why, but he never said it wasn't a reason and Bioware has lied to save themselves before. Just look at their backtrack of the LIs in DA2 being sexually ambiguous to now being cemented as bisexual. And if they do decide to bring the Inquisitor back as a NPC, it's just going to maim them like what happened with Hawke. Hawke was simple to handle in comparison, and they were nothing like my Hawkes. I don't trust them with my favorite protagonist so far. 

 

Bioware since Dragon Age: Origins have been adamant that they will never reveal whether the Maker is real or not. 

 

As for the Old Gods being connected to the Evanuris, I'd rather not everything be connected to the ancient elves. 

[Xerrai]

1)  Degenerates have large fanbases.  It's not that big a deal.  Walter White... Dexter... Jim Jones.  A fan base means nothing. 

 

Sure, "some" fans will like him because of his flaws.  Others will like him in spite of his flaws.  Some will indeed be "silly fan girls/boys".  Others will believe his flaws give him gravitas.  The very fact that no two people will be fans of Solas for exactly the same reason makes any consideration of those fans pointless. 

 

NOTE:  The same goes for his haters.  If I could amass more haters - it does not make my position correct.  All that can be said is that:  "I have managed to amass more people that claim to dislike/hate Solas than like him."  No other value or meaning can be extrapolated from that. 

 

2) Fans always jump to the defense of the thing they like.  Christians jump to the defense of Jesus.  Sports fans will jump to the defense of their favorite team.  Patriots will jump to the defense of their country.  

 

A fan is biased.  I'm not sure why I would trust someone that says:  "Jesus is the greatest." or "The Giants are the best." - because, they too, can provide me with a laundry list of factoids that "prove" their claim.  

 

NOTE:  A hater is biased too.  The point is not to be unbiased... not a single person is ever unbiased - it is impossible for a being with an ego to be unbiased.  Unbiased is for calculators and computers. 

 

3)  For myself - I knew he was a danger from the first time I had a conversation with him in Haven.  Having experienced the likes of Zathrian, Uldred, Jowan, Orsino and Anders... I have a very low opinion of DA mages.  I consider most of them to be unstable radicals who's power outstretches their morality.  

 

I don't hate him because he's The Dread Wolf.  For myself, I was vindicated. My dislike for the character are all about his actions (and the railroading of his story).  Is that what you mean perhaps?  That we're upset he was elevated in importance?  

The only thing I will be upset about concerning his importance is if I'm forced to "redeem" him in the next game.  I cannot conceive of any character I would make that would take that route because of how I perceive it.  At best... I would be willing to strip Solas of all his power and let him live the rest of his days a mortal elf - and even that is a dangerous stretch and grossly irresponsible for any character I would make. 

Oh no, don't misunderstand.. I never agreed with what she said. I was just making hypothetical guesses of what I thought she may mean. Those are in no way my opinions that I personally hold.

[German Soldier]

That's true. He has a lot of guilt about what he did, and what he's going to do.

If guilt doesn't make you stop from doing something than that sense of guilt it means nothing.

[The Elder King]

In part, yes. The other part is what they did, how they did it, and for what reasons that ruined DAI and made me lose faith in their writing abilities to the point of having no enthusiasm for future DA games. The vanilla game ended perfectly. The world was saved and you and maybe your LI stare off into the sunset while elsewhere they foreshadow Solas being more than what we thought. Then Trespasser comes out and for $15 all you get is "You lose" in pretty much every way, shape, and form. Oh joy.

Then there is the conversation with Solas which at first I thought was great since it set up a wonderful dynamic between him and the Inquisitor and would create a great relationship between protagonist and antagonist in DA4. Only to learn that they are scrapping all that for the idiotic "New protagonist every game" rule. They should have just left us in the dark until DA4 in that case since the new protagonist will only see Solas as Corypheus 2.0.

Then there was the way they sidelined the Inquisitor by cutting off their arm, because obviously a one-armed person can't save the world. I know Patrick Weekes says this wasn't why, but he never said it wasn't a reason and Bioware has lied to save themselves before. Just look at their backtrack of the LIs in DA2 being sexually ambiguous to now being cemented as bisexual. And if they do decide to bring the Inquisitor back as a NPC, it's just going to maim them like what happened with Hawke. Hawke was simple to handle in comparison, and they were nothing like my Hawkes. I don't trust them with my favorite protagonist so far. 

 

Bioware since Dragon Age: Origins have been adamant that they will never reveal whether the Maker is real or not. 

 

As for the Old Gods being connected to the Evanuris, I doubt it.

Thanks for answering. As I said before, I'm sorry you feel that way. The lore reveals in Trespasser makes me interested to the following games, and what happen to the Inquisitor, Inquisition and the new PC don't really affect me, but I understand a lot of people are disappointed about facing Solas with a new PC.

Yeah, I forgot about that, though things can change. I'll be fine if they won't reveal it though.

A connection is there in my opinion. I don't know what type, but the fact that Flemeth knew so much about the Old Gods is because of that connection. It doesn't mean the OG has to be necessarily related to the elven lore, but a connection between them doesn't require the OG to be 'elfy'.

[German Soldier]

 

 

Dunno about Old Gods at this point - many people connect them to the Evanuris, but at the same time it would mean that there are only 2 (potentially 3) left. 

Many people are wrong because Old gods are males except Razikale while Evanuris are females and males.

Mythal saving the same persons from whom she wish revenge also don't make sense,why she should save old gods if they are related to the Evanuris?

[The Elder King]

If guilt doesn't make you stop from doing something than that sense of guilt it means nothing.

Well, his guilt for what he did appeared after his action, so it's not related to what you said. For the guilt of what he'll do, the situation isn't so simple for me, since it clashes with the guilt about his previous actions on his people.

[The Elder King]

 

Many people are wrong because Old gods are males except Razikale while Evanuris are females and males.

Mythal saving the same persons from whom she wish revenge also don't make sense.

 

Being connected doesn't mean the Old Gods are elves or something related to them. Just that there's a connection.

[German Soldier]

 
Solas says he does what he does for a reason, Solas says he feels guilty, Solas says he will pay. Problem is, Solas says lots of things and yet his actions, at least for me, go against most of the things he says.

Especially this part

"Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free willed people to exist".

What an hypocrite.

[straykat]

I think his good acts are a means to reach him. He might have these lame aspirations, but I would give him a chance for his previous actions alone... maybe he can still be appealed to. When it comes down to it, he and Sera are more alike than they care to admit.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thanks for answering. As I said before, I'm sorry you feel that way. The lore reveals in Trespasser makes me interested to the following games, and what happen to the Inquisitor, Inquisition and the new PC don't really affect me, but I understand a lot of people are disappointed about facing Solas with a new PC.

Yeah, I forgot about that, though things can change. I'll be fine if they won't reveal it though.

A connection is there in my opinion. I don't know what type, but the fact that Flemeth knew so much about the Old Gods is because of that connection. It doesn't mean the OG has to be necessarily related to the elven lore, but a connection between them doesn't require the OG to be 'elfy'.

You're welcome. I'm glad you are able to enjoy it and are looking forward to the next game.

 

As for the Old Gods, personally since really only Humans and Qunari reference them in their ancient history, if they have to be connected to the ancient elves I would like them to have been around during the time of the ancient elves but on another continent like humanity and the Kossith and Qunari. 

 

The ancient elf thing I am interested in is the Forbidden Ones. They are the evil entities in the elven religion whereas the Evaruris are the good entities, but is that because the Evanuris won so wrote history to fit them or is it that the Forbidden Ones make even the Evaruris look good in comparison?

[Seraphim24]

I think his good acts are a means to reach him. He might have these lame aspirations, but I would give him a chance for his previous actions alone... maybe he can still be appealed to. When it comes down to it, he and Sera are more alike than they care to admit.

 

What good acts? All I see is trauma and drama. 

[The Elder King]

You're welcome. I'm glad you are able to enjoy it and are looking forward to the next game.

 

As for the Old Gods, personally since really only Humans and Qunari reference them in their ancient history, if they have to be connected to the ancient elves I would like them to have been around during the time of the ancient elves but on another continent like humanity and the Kossith and Qunari. 

Possibly. This is true, the elven lore doesn't mention them, and the Forgotten Ones seem to be at this point something else (I'd like if we'll know more about them too). I think those things will be explained sooner or later though,

[straykat]

What good acts? All I see is trauma and drama. 

 

I'm talking about early game.. hinterlands stuff. Like Sera or Cass, he gives a lot of approval for helping normal people struggling with things. He has some kind of concern for this world.

[Seraphim24]

I'm talking about early game.. hinterlands stuff. Like Sera or Cass, he gives a lot of approval for helping normal people struggling with things. He has some kind of concern for this world.

 

Lol "normal people?" But yeah I guess.

 

Though donating a pound of rice to an orphanage (theoretically speaking) doesn't excuse, well, something. 

[straykat]

Lol "normal people?" But yeah I guess.

 

Though donating a pound of rice to an orphanage (theoretically speaking) doesn't excuse, well, something. 

 

I was gonna correct it and say refugees.. but you know what I mean.

 

I just mean he cares about people, going through whatever bullshit in day-to-day existence. A part of him cares about the Present.

[Seraphim24]

I was gonna correct it and say refugees.. but you know what I mean.

 

I just mean he cares about people, going through whatever bullshit in day-to-day existence. A part of him cares about the Present.

 

Yes I just mean I was referring to the notion that all things should probably be weighed and balanced with his character, not necessarily "Oh this was good" and "Oh that was all bad" but taken all together,

[straykat]

Yes I just mean I was referring to the notion that all things should probably be weighed and balanced with his character, not necessarily "Oh this was good" and "Oh that was all bad" but taken all together,

 

Well, I agree. I'm not a fan of his at all..

 

I just mean it's some kind of means to appeal to. Maybe.

[Sah291]

I prefer characters that strive to overcome their flaws... not characters that bask in them.

I agree, I do too....I'm just suspending judgement for now, until we've seen the conclusion of his arc.

It does look to me like he's been suffering a moral crisis, unfortunately I partly blame the Inquisitor for unwittingly influencing him to continue his cause, because the Inquisitor is also fighting for a cause.

No where do we get an opportunity to tell him it's OK to do what he really wants to do (unlike with Bull, for example). He asks us what we will do with the power of the Well, and our only two options are to say we will keep trying to fight for our cause....or that we will undo all the chaos, and try to put things back the way they were.

[Seraphim24]

Well, I agree. I'm not a fan of his at all..

 

I just mean it's some kind of means to appeal to. Maybe.

 

I just get this "Well I'm going to rip off your arm, but I will anesthesize you first! It's a respected tradition to always honor that, I won't have the world saying I'm not liberal and compassionate."

 

It's like

 

He might as well be an alien or some kind of sub-human with that kind of logic. 

[midnight tea]

Lol "normal people?" But yeah I guess.

 

Though donating a pound of rice to an orphanage (theoretically speaking) doesn't excuse, well, something. 

 

It was more than a "bag of rice" and more than once.

 

Especially during Trespasser. You remember what he did, right? He saved Inquisitor, Inquisition and the whole South from the Qunari threat.

[straykat]

I just get this "Well I'm going to rip off your arm, but I will anesthesize you first! It's a respected tradition to always honor that, I won't have the world saying I'm not liberal and compassionate."

 

It's like

 

He might as well be an alien or some kind of sub-human with that kind of logic. 

 

I should make it clear I haven't even played Trespasser yet.. lol. But I know the gist of it. So take that into account, if I'm not privy to the nuances.

 

That said, I just think there might be a part of him that can appreciate the present.. if he just chilled a bit. Perhaps I'm naive

[Seraphim24]

It was more than a "bag of rice" and more than once.

 

Especially during Trespasser. You remember what he did, right? He saved Inquisitor, Inquisition and the whole South from the Qunari threat.

 

That's him attempting to solve a problem he started, as far as I remember. 

 

Everything goes back to Solas going "well I was like hey Stalin (Corypheus) you want to borrow this mass weapon of deadliness that you can use to just sort of destroy people to get into working condition? I'll be back for it on Thursday."

 

I may be misrembering some details though, it's true. 

[Seraphim24]

I should make it clear I haven't even played Trespasser yet.. lol. But I know the gist of it. So take that into account, if I'm not privy to the nuances.

 

That said, I just think there might be a part of him that can appreciate the present.. if he just chilled a bit. Perhaps I'm naive

 

Meh I probably overdid it, to be honest, but basically Solas just gives off this vibe of I'm doing the wrong thing nicely!

 

It's like errr     

 

Not to mention there are probably aliens and I don't know, Dolphins and all kinds of non-humans that are more polite, so I apologize to them 

[The Elder King]

It was more than a "bag of rice" and more than once.

 

Especially during Trespasser. You remember what he did, right? He saved Inquisitor, Inquisition and the whole South from the Qunari threat.

Well, that on one hand shown he does care about the people of Thedas His plan wouldn't be affected (I think) if the qunari invaded and conquered part or all of southern Thedas. On the other hand, I can understand why people might say this doesn't matter much since his end goal would lead to those same people he saved to die.