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[Lezio]

I wonder just how worse elves will be treated once Solas' plain fails and/or the Evanuris come back and wreak havoc

[Abyss108]

I wonder just how worse elves will be treated once Solas' plain fails and/or the Evanuris come back and wreak havoc

 

 

I'm far more worried about how humans are going to react to Elves once this is all over than anything regarding to Solas or the Evanuris.

[The Elder King]

I wonder just how worse elves will be treated once Solas' plain fails and/or the Evanuris come back and wreak havoc

Eh, it depends from a lot of things. The major problem is that a lot of elves are joining the Rebel God. 

[Sah291]

Wouldn't they? We can even hear people blaming elves for Cory and his mysterious orb in Inquisitor's own stronghold. And now, after Trespasser, when it turned out that elves were also in large part spies for the Qunari who blew up South?
Yeah, no wonder somebody calls them to gather and hide somewhere. Even with Inquisition and Chantry calling against it, I wouldn't be surprised if slaughter was imminent.

Well probably. But Solas had his own motives both to get your trust. He also wants to nudge you into taking the lead at that point. The Dalish Inquisitor, who may already distrust humans from the start, now has a good reason both to protect Solas and what he knows about the orb, to go along with leading the Inquisiton, and for helping Solas with the recovery of the orb.

[Mistic]

Of course they matter

 

Not for this. Not when it's a matter of faith.

 

For example, Garahel can be a great elven hero, but if other people don't believe he's a messenger of god or something like that, his religious influence is close to naught. On the other hand, if a bunch of people believe against odds that you are the Maker's chosen and the belief spreads like wildfire, it won't matter if you are the worst person in the world (Jerkquisitor for the win!) or you oppose the idea (pagan and atheistic Inquisitors facepalm).

 

Anora and Alistair both say there's never been a more glorious Warden since your character. That's pretty respectful (even considering Garahel came before you... and humans revere Garahel as well. He's the biggest hero in their minds).

 

Garahel is not as well known as you imply. That Wardens remember him doesn't count when even they admit that their influence and reputation is waning throughout Thedas except in the Anderfels (the Anders in the book Last Flight aren't precisely the most representative sample of popular knowledge about Wardens). Even Duncan has to tell his story to a City Elf.

[The Elder King]

Not for this. Not when it's a matter of faith.

 

For example, Garahel can be a great elven hero, but if other people don't believe he's a messenger of god or something like that, his religious influence is close to naught. On the other hand, if a bunch of people believe against odds that you are the Maker's chosen and the belief spreads like wildfire, it won't matter if you are the worst person in the world (Jerkquisitor for the win!) or you oppose the idea (pagan and atheistic Inquisitors facepalm).

 

 

Garahel is not as well known as you imply. That Wardens remember him doesn't count when even they admit that their influence and reputation is waning throughout Thedas except in the Anderfels (the Anders in the book Last Flight aren't precisely the most representative sample of popular knowledge about Wardens). Even Duncan has to tell his story to a City Elf.

To be fair, we only saw Ferelden. We don't know how the other countries remember the Wardens. Let's not forget the Wardens returned to Ferelden after decades, just recently.

[midnight tea]

To be fair, we only saw Ferelden. We don't know how the other countries remember the Wardens. Let's not forget the Wardens returned to Ferelden after decades, just recently.

 

Well, nobody mentions Garahel (in fact, if you get history perk before you chat with Josie about your background Inky can mention famous elves from the history. They mention Shartan, but not Garahel) or makes any comparisons when Inquisitor is in Orlais. In fact, despite Orlesian Wardens disappearing, nobody other than Inquisitor seems to be investigating it. And now, after DAI, those Wardens are decimated and depending on Inquisitor's choices, possibly not having the greatest PR (if Inky keeps them - nothing is mentioned of their plans in Adamant, in fact they're made to look like they helped during that fight, while exiling means revealing the truth), even if Orlais didn't want to chase them away at the end.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Um, no  The Qunari have found eluvians on their own. Solas had nothing to do with their plans of sneaky invasion.

I think they mean about how they were attacking the Inquisition because they suspected them as being agents of Fen'Harel. 

[Lezio]

I'm far more worried about how humans are going to react to Elves once this is all over than anything regarding to Solas or the Evanuris.

 

Yeah, especially since elves were really starting doing better and, in my opinion, trying to finally build themselves a future instead of just.... acting proud and doing nothing  (Seriously, when Velanna in Awakening implied that no Dalish actually ever thought of writing new stories to replace the old, lost ones...... )

 

Eh, it depends from a lot of things. The major problem is that a lot of elves are joining the Rebel God. 

 

Well, staying neutral during the 2nd Blight, which was just stupid in so many ways (first being, how can you be "neutral" when fighting darksapwn? ), earned them an Exalted March and a purge from history. I really can't imagine how they could come out of this unscathed

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, staying neutral during the 2nd Blight, which was just stupid, earned them an Exalted March and a purge from history. I really can't imagine how they could come out of this unscathed

The Exalted March on the Dales wasn't because of the Dales not helping in the Second Blight. It was called in response to the Dales invading Orlais. 

[The Elder King]

Yeah, especially since elves were really starting doing better and, in my opinion, trying to finally build themselves a future instead of just.... acting proud and doing nothing  (Seriously, when Velanna in Awakening implied that no Dalish actually ever thought of writing new stories to replace the old, lost ones...... )

 

 

Well, staying neutral during the 2nd Blight, which was just stupid in so many ways (first being, how can you be "neutral" when fighting darksapwn? ), earned them an Exalted March and a purge from history. I really can't imagine how they could come out of this unscathed

 

 

The Exalted March on the Dales wasn't because of the Dales not helping in the Second Blight. It was called in response to the Dales invading Orlais. 

 

Hanako is right. Though not helping in the second Blight was the cause of a good part of resentment towards the Dales.

[midnight tea]

I think they mean about how they were attacking the Inquisition because they suspected them as being agents of Fen'Harel. 

 

But that's entirely irrelevant. Inquisitor would die and Inquisition would be in shambles (same as entire South) if the Qunari just blew them up. Plus, they'd attack them anyway, if - by some miracle - Inquisitor found out about Qunari hopping from eluvian on their own, since he/she are sabotaging their secret plan, agent of Fen'Harel or no.

[Lezio]

My bad, completely missed that part of history/codex

[Mistic]

The Exalted March on the Dales wasn't because of the Dales not helping in the Second Blight. It was called in response to the Dales invading Orlais. 

 

Well, frontier problems are already bad in general without bad blood from previous wrongdoings. The Exalted March was just the disastrous (for the elves) culmination of all that.

 

But the concept of elves taking sides in DA4, especially if the game is set in Tevinter, can become a powerful one. We already know of the plight of elven slaves in the Imperium, and we also know that Qunari get a lot of recruits from them (like Tallis or Gatt). Now another power, Solas, offers recruitment. And that's without counting honestly Tevinter-loyal elves (like Devera in DA:O). It's going to be a mess. An interesting mess.

[Lezio]

Well, frontier problems are already bad in general without bad blood from previous wrongdoings. The Exalted March was just the disastrous (for the elves) culmination of all that.

 

But the concept of elves taking sides in DA4, especially if the game is set in Tevinter, can become a powerful one. We already know of the plight of elven slaves in the Imperium, and we also know that Qunari get a lot of recruits from them (like Tallis or Gatt). Now another power, Solas, offers recruitment. And that's without counting honestly Tevinter-loyal elves (like Devera in DA:O). It's going to be a mess. An interesting mess.

 

Possibly, a better depicted mess than the templars/mages war in Inquisition

[Mistic]

Possibly, a better depicted mess than the templars/mages war in Inquisition

 

We can only hope

[Hellion Rex]

I wonder just how worse elves will be treated once Solas' plain fails and/or the Evanuris come back and wreak havoc

I feel even more terrible for those elves not drinking the Koolaid, so to speak. They end up getting blamed for the faults of others.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hanako is right. Though not helping in the second Blight was the cause of a good part of resentment towards the Dales.

Yeah. That was pretty much what started Orlais' resentment towards the Dales. Just like how Orlais' imperialistic tendencies pretty much started the Dales' resentment towards Orlais. 

 

Well, frontier problems are already bad in general without bad blood from previous wrongdoings. The Exalted March was just the disastrous (for the elves) culmination of all that.

Oh, of course. Their mutual resentment towards each other fueled a cycle of hatred that progressively got more extreme and boiled over with the massacre of Red Crossing. At that point war was inevitable, and since Orlais was recovering from the Blight still the Dales took their chance and struck first. They nearly won, even sacking the capital, before the Exalted March was called. 

 

But that's entirely irrelevant. Inquisitor would die and Inquisition would be in shambles (same as entire South) if the Qunari just blew them up. Plus, they'd attack them anyway, if - by some miracle - Inquisitor found out about Qunari hopping from eluvian on their own, since he/she are sabotaging their secret plan, agent of Fen'Harel or no.

And if Solas didn't try to do his unlock the Orb plan, then none of any of this would have happened.  

[German Soldier]

Anora and Alistair both say there's never been a more glorious Warden since your character. That's pretty respectful (even considering Garahel came before you... and humans revere Garahel as well. He's the biggest hero in their minds).

 

This Solas convo seems written for noobs or people who didn't play elves before.

I don't recall anything like that.

Also i don't think that is true in any way since the blight of Ferelden was barely recognized as a blight from the rest of the world and by Alistair/Loghain own words nobody cares anymore after 9 years from it especially because it was in Ferelden the most isolated nation of Thedas.

Gharael traveled all across the continent and meet queens and famous people.

Dumat and Zazikale endured for centuires thus the warden who defeated them like (X ,Corin)  were supposedly more praised than the hoF at their time because the archdemons they defeated were a true pain for Thedas.

[myahele]

I wonder just how many Thedosian heroes were actually elves, but history/propaganda ended up remembering them as humans?

 

We see this with Amerida and even happens in history. Probably the main reason why Garahel is still known as an elf is due to Wardens being independent from such politics.

[Shechinah]

Eh, it depends from a lot of things. The major problem is that a lot of elves are joining the Rebel God. 

 

S'why I hope we'll have the option of playing an elf in the game that'll deal with Solas or the Evanuris because amongst the reasons, it might help mitigate some of the aftermath.  
 

[Xerrai]

I wonder just how many Thedosian heroes were actually elves, but history/propaganda ended up remembering them as humans?

 

We see this with Amerida and even happens in history. Probably the main reason why Garahel is still known as an elf is due to Wardens being independent from such politics.

I think of this sometimes too.

The modern civilizations of Thedas have a bad habit of human-washing the contributions of elves. Given their predisposed laws and cultures that try to culturally erase elves, this is like adding insult to injury.

[Almostfaceman]

And if Solas didn't try to do his unlock the Orb plan, then none of any of this would have happened.  

 

Ew, you're forgetting Sten already told us that his people plan to invade and he hopes to not meet us on the battlefield... well he tells me that because we're straight up homies. 

[Gaia300]

I adamantly refuse to see the attempt to enter the Golden City as a "sin". There are no "things we aren't meant to know", no "god's domain we aren't allowed to enter", and as a rule, I support attempts to claim such powers for ourselves.

 

I think you took everything out of context.

The magisters went into the golden/black city because they were not willing to accept that Tevinter was no more a religious empire.

The Tevinter Emperium adopted a more political approach (always based on mageogracy) and as such   the weight of the old gods was diminished.

The clergy of the old gods didn't accepted that and attempted to restore their cult by traveling to the city.

I'm not really sure if they knew what they were doing since they were just following the leads of voices and whispers and claimed that it was Dumat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ew, you're forgetting Sten already told us that his people plan to invade and he hopes to not meet us on the battlefield... well he tells me that because we're straight up homies. 

Oh, I'm not saying the Qunari won't invade. I'm saying this specific attack plan wouldn't have happened at least in this point in time. The only reason the Qun moves when they do is because the bigger threat Corypheus is gone and Southern Thedas, the only reason the Qun doesn't invade Tevinter, is in a vulnerable state because of the Breach.