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[Baboontje]

Er don't NM and RM have similar amounts of active skills? I can't really remember.

 

But I mean I can remember WoW better, a destruction warlock still had CC, drains, and barriers, particularly in Cataclysm they were arguably the best at it with constantly refilling meters from stringing together shadowburns to get tons of green energy to spam that burn heal thing whilist also spamming that pet shield that takes life or whatever.

 

Besides if you wanted the most active abilities a Demo warlock in Cataclysm would of filled that bill probably quite easily, moreso than Destro. I mean, even affliction warlocks were technically drains that were also active (you had to activate it with a button) not a pure passives.

 

Let me clarify, I prefer a straight up fireball/frostbolt/shadowbolt/lightningbolt to the face as opposed to a DoT, de-buff or fear/sleep/stun spell. So Veilstrike, Stonefist, Pull of the Abyss with Devouring Veil on and Firestorm are way more interesting to me than Horror, Spirit Mark, Walking Bomb and Haste.

[Macha'Anu]

 

 

What does Solas do in The DLC's that some people here like or maybe even love him so much. Because i know him only from my Inquisition game and i cannot imagine that someone gets truly romantic feelings for him. It's not that i do not like him for me it is in between i find him a bit a mister know it all and he is a little bit to elfy for me. There is nothing wrong with that ( he is an elf ). But i do like his stories when he tells about them but to really like ( love ) him then no not me.

  

You would probably say that i should buy the DLC's and find out myself i am planning to. But i have to wait a little longer so in the meantime you might tell me a little bit why you like ( love ) him so much ( or not ).

 

Thoughts ? 

 

Even though i found his romance story poorly written and lacking (he honestly deserved a much better romance story. ) It is easy to see that he wants to be loved but with what is going to happen in regards to him saving the old elven world, he doesnt want to bring someone he loves down with him. Lots of people fall for the bad guy but is he honestly the bad guy? or ws he a victim of circumstance who tried to do the right thing and wound up destroying all that he loved. And then for all intents and purposes was manipulated by corphy and stuck in a hard place. Solas isnt such a bad guy hes just complicated lol But its easy to fall for the torn soul. He is a torn soul. Look how long hes lived... Its a long time to be alone.

 

I feel like maybe this is no longer a solas forum but lets debate what class is best heh. Too much leet for me! Cant yall take that to a proper forum. Poor ops post has been sorely hijacked Take care op

[Macha'Anu]

Why? It's still a video game. Sometimes I think the people harping the story fanatics should focus on things like "Are they good at the game? Can they win?" "Do they have a strategy for winning?"

 

Because believe it or not it's just a video game at the end of the day.

 

Analyzed on a game dimension, Solas is a profoundly crap character it seems to me, weak fragile and you have no use for him compared to the other available mages.

Believe it or not, some people dont play games based on power and pew pew, or WIN!. Some people care more about story and lore than they do the degrees of power of each spell in the game. Thats what this post is and was about. lore, story and theory. You are spouting these opinions and are becoming immensly offended when ours differ from yours so you argue to no end that we are wrong and you know what your talking about. ok you dont like the rift mage we get it. Some of us have no problems with his abilitis and some of us are just better at setting the ai tactics it seems. Cause solas , even before i romanced him, was almost always in my party as was dorian, but i specced his s  fire mage haha he wasnt even necro. At the end of the day its just a game and people will view that game in the way they see fit and its no one elses buisness to tell them otherwise. Btw Vivian sucked. i never took her and sometimes didnt bother recruiting her. All she was going to do is reimprision mage anyway for social status and power. But thats jut my humble opinion. Some folks may disagree and thats ok. I surely don't mind.

[Seraphim24]

When I said, excluding specialization abilities, I did not mean I didn't invest in them (on the contrary, every passive and active skill was unlocked), but I mean in comparison to the skills allotted. By which I mean, apart from abilities that come from their specialization (that are unique to each character), every other skill allotted to them was essentially the same among all three mages (barrier, winter's grasp, etc.). Apart from their specialization abilities, they were all built the same.

 

(Sorry if that wasn't clear)

 

It still isn't, to be honest. Sorry, not trying to be that way or something, but I don't get it.

 

Let me clarify, I prefer a straight up fireball/frostbolt/shadowbolt/lightningbolt to the face as opposed to a DoT, de-buff or fear/sleep/stun spell. So Veilstrike, Stonefist, Pull of the Abyss with Devouring Veil on and Firestorm are way more interesting to me than Horror, Spirit Mark, Walking Bomb and Haste.

 

Well that would of been a "mage" class then as they possess fireball and frostbolt, and I beleive Warlock has access to shadowbolt in each spec although perhaps it changes name, plus while Shaman lightning bolt is indeed active the sheer amount of procs and CCs in the shaman class generally make it unsuitable mostly for an active skill type of player.

 

Believe it or not, some people dont play games based on power and pew pew, or WIN!. Some people care more about story and lore than they do the degrees of power of each spell in the game. Thats what this post is and was about. lore, story and theory. You are spouting these opinions and are becoming immensly offended when ours differ from yours so you argue to no end that we are wrong and you know what your talking about. ok you dont like the rift mage we get it. Some of us have no problems with his abilitis and some of us are just better at setting the ai tactics it seems. Cause solas , even before i romanced him, was almost always in my party as was dorian, but i specced his s  fire mage haha he wasnt even necro. At the end of the day its just a game and people will view that game in the way they see fit and its no one elses buisness to tell them otherwise. Btw Vivian sucked. i never took her and sometimes didnt bother recruiting her. All she was going to do is reimprision mage anyway for social status and power. But thats jut my humble opinion. Some folks may disagree and thats ok. I surely don't mind.

 

Yes I must be playing solely based on pew pew because I refer to game mechanics in any way shape or form.

[Lezio]

Am i the only one who chooses the abilities that look cooler? And don't get me started on equipment, in Inquisition i kept the mercenary's coat 'til Skyhold for story purposes and back in Origins i once used the Cousland family sword for a whole playthrough, piece of crap that it is On my latest run i even forsook both Starfang and Vigilance  because Duncan's sword fit better with the story

[Sah291]

@Macha'Anu,

I thought the romance was well written, for having as few scenes as it did. But then, I consider all the regular friendship/non romance scenes to be part of the overall romance arc too. So in context of the romance, I think their relationship is more or less that of a friendship, with a hint of something more, that never quite has a chance before it's already over. So more bittersweet and fleeting. Though I wouldn't have objected to more content/scenes to flesh it out.

[Macha'Anu]

It still isn't, to be honest. Sorry, not trying to be that way or something, but I don't get it.

 

 

Well that would of been a "mage" class then as they possess fireball and frostbolt, and I beleive Warlock has access to shadowbolt in each spec although perhaps it changes name, plus while Shaman lightning bolt is indeed active the sheer amount of procs and CCs in the shaman class generally make it unsuitable mostly for an active skill type of player.

 

 

Yes I must be playing solely based on pew pew because I refer to game mechanics in any way shape or form.

Well that seems to be your focus. You are on a forum post wanting to discuss storyline arguing about mechanics. Admant we all see it your way. You even said we worry too much about story and not "winning"

[Macha'Anu]

@Macha'Anu,

I thought the romance was well written, for having as few scenes as it did. But then, I consider all the regular friendship/non romance scenes to be part of the overall romance arc too. So in context of the romance, I think their relationship is more or less that of a friendship, with a hint of something more, that never quite has a chance before it's already over. So more bittersweet and fleeting. Though I wouldn't have objected to more content/scenes to flesh it out.

Idk, I mean it was ok it was. It just I feel like, and they even admitted, they rushed it because he wasnt going to be a LI initially. And I felt like I could tell he was  last minute LI decsion. Dont get me wrong I did enjoy my many solas's playthrough I was just left wanting more I guess.

[Seraphim24]

Am i the only one who chooses the abilities that look cooler? And don't get me started on equipment, in Inquisition i kept the mercenary's coat 'til Skyhold for story purposes and back in Origins i once used the Cousland family sword for a whole playthrough, piece of crap that it is On my latest run i even forsook both Starfang and Vigilance  because Duncan's sword fit better with the story

 

Who says NM and KE skills don't look cool?

 

[IllustriousT]

Idk, I mean it was ok it was. It just I feel like, and they even admitted, they rushed it because he wasnt going to be a LI initially. And I felt like I could tell he was  last minute LI decsion. Dont get me wrong I did enjoy my many solas's playthrough I was just left wanting more I guess.

 

That's what so good about it.

 

Edit to clarify - the bolded bit.

[Seraphim24]

Well that seems to be your focus. You are on a forum post wanting to discuss storyline arguing about mechanics. Admant we all see it your way. You even said we worry too much about story and not "winning"

 

Nah it's just an idea I had, I was like, we're trying to understand why people like Solas or don't like Solas, and I'm like, well one reason to not like him is that he just sucks in a video game and it's a game that you are trying to win so that's a thing.

 

I think you were trying to say that, there are classes that have shared abilities, and unique abilities. I think, but I didn't understand how that related to everything else.

[midnight tea]

Huh, I disappear for half a day and the thread gains at least 6 pages...

 

And we're talking specializations now? I'd say that Solas, being a pivotal character for story and the universe, can be connected with many subjects for discussion... but that?

 

Anyway, from mages specialization I prefer RM the most - I like KE and though I haven't yet went far with my own necro, it seems to be a fun spec, once I tried RM it became my fav. Not just because it's an 'intelligent' class, built around control and combos (it compliments well with the Winter Tree which is also about cc and contains my favorite ability - Fade Step) that lets me control the battlefield, but also because - thanks to that - it's often that its the most... trollish

 

I can imagine that fight with the RM in-universe has to be absolutely infuriating. They won't just hit you like a truck, they'll use every opportunity to knock you off your feet or throw you around the battlefield like a rag doll  

And whenever I use Devouring Veil I have this large grin on my face. It's hilarious!

 

And while I don't necessarily count in fine details of the gamplay to say much of the character in universe, I did notice that there's a difference in numbers RM Inky and RM Solas can pull. I haven't made any detailed tests, but once I've had them at lvl 27 I've tried to see what would happen if I give them very similar stats and unlocked passives and it seems to me that Solas can do more damage - or at least his damage on critical hits can pull some insane numbers.

[Baboontje]

Well that would of been a "mage" class then as they possess fireball and frostbolt, and I beleive Warlock has access to shadowbolt in each spec although perhaps it changes name, plus while Shaman lightning bolt is indeed active the sheer amount of procs and CCs in the shaman class generally make it unsuitable mostly for an active skill type of player.

 

Point, missed it. Oh and you don't need to explain WoW to me, dearie. I've played it for years and only mentioned it to explain myself. But obviously failed.

 

I'll try one last time. I meant in -every- game where magical classes exist, I go for the straight-forward spells. Remember the Primal school in DAO? I prefer those spells over those in the Entropy or Spirit Schools. So logically for me, I prefer Rift Mage over Necromancer.

[Macha'Anu]

Nah it's just an idea I had, I was like, we're trying to understand why people like Solas or don't like Solas, and I'm like, well one reason to not like him is that he just sucks in a video game and it's a game that you are trying to win so that's a thing.

 

I think you were trying to say that, there are classes that have shared abilities, and unique abilities. I think, but I didn't understand how that related to everything else.

I think you shouldn't tell me what I was trying to say, just to fit your narrative and I think we are here talking about his story not his class. If we wanted to dicuss his class and his abilities we would do so on a forum intended for that. If you like necro and knight enchanter then you play them by all means but please PLEASE stop trying to convince us we have too as well. Its kinda intrusive and rude too boot. Ay the end of the day its just a video game and we should play it how we see fit not how we are told.

[Seraphim24]

I think you shouldn't tell me what I was trying to say, just to fit your narrative and I think we are here talking about his story not his class. If we wanted to dicuss his class and his abilities we would do so on a forum intended for that. If you like necro and knight enchanter then you play them by all means but please PLEASE stop trying to convince us we have too as well. Its kinda intrusive and rude too boot. Ay the end of the day its just a video game and we should play it how we see fit not how we are told.

 

I would say it's equally rude to say you can't bring up the video game in the video game, it wasn't really stated in the OP what basis there was for anything. At any rate I don't care if you guys don't want to think or talk about the game even though it's a video game well one it might be a better idea to select a different media but honestly like yeah I don't really have to add anything else if people here just want to talk about dialogue and text so be it.

[roselavellan]

@Guinevere134: Did you actually use Solas regularly in your team? Perhaps you're just underutilising him, because Solas always does really well in my game. On my side, I know very little about Dorian because I rarely use him - and because I rarely use him, the few times I actually do, he tends to perform very poorly because I haven't maximised his potential.

 

Dont get me wrong I did enjoy my many solas's playthrough I was just left wanting more I guess.

 

Oh, I was definitely left wanting more

 

But seriously, I know what you mean, it seemed like there were fewer romance scenes with Solas than with the others. To compare it with, say, Cullen's (which was the only other one I played through), I thought Cullen had more scenes, but Solas' scenes felt more intense to me. Perhaps it felt more emotional, perhaps there was more dialogue with Solas, or perhaps it was just my preference, but Solas' romance won for me in terms of quality over quantity.

[Seraphim24]

@Guinevere134: Did you actually use Solas regularly in your team? Perhaps you're just underutilising him, because Solas always does really well in my game. On my side, I know very little about Dorian because I rarely use him - and because I rarely use him, the few times I actually do, he tends to perform very poorly because I haven't maximised his potential.

 

Er sorry I really am deferring on this topic now, don't know if too many people just don't want to talk the game of the game.

[midnight tea]

I would say it's equally rude to say you can't bring up the video game in the video game, it wasn't really stated in the OP what basis there was for anything. At any rate I don't care if you guys don't want to think or talk about the game even though it's a video game well one it might be a better idea to select a different media but honestly like yeah I don't really have to add anything else if people here just want to talk about dialogue and text so be it.

 

...."Bring up the video game in the video game"?

 

Ever heard of ludonarrative dissonance?

 

I mean... preference of class or specialization aside, you think you can confuse story and gameplay elements? It's not like the line between them isn't somewhat blurry on occasion, but anyone who bothers to put at least some thought into the matter KNOWS that gameplay elements shouldn't be confused for in-universe or story elements :/

 

http://tvtropes.org/...toryIntegration

http://tvtropes.org/...torySegregation

 

Or what, are you going to judge a character based on UI design? Are you going to tell us that it's a fact that there's no day and night cycle in Thedas, because they haven't implemented one in the game, or that people can't die no matter how high is the cliff they jump from?

[German Soldier]

Do you think Flemeth and Mythal, or possibly Morrigan and Mythal, will side with Solas to fight the Evanuris or that they will side with him period?

 

I can see the first possibility happening, but the second not really. Personally i see her as the opposite of Solas, most of all because she (they?) really has done nothing to damage the world (that we know of) or to make it as it was, in fact i dare say she tried to protect it whenever she could even if she didn't have to (most of all in Origins)

 

She's Solas' opposite, in my opinion, and the fact that she's human is a visual rapresentation of that

I don't see any of these things happening because i don't think Bioware as any intention to use so extensively the same characters for the 4th time.

[midnight tea]

Oh, I was definitely left wanting more

 

But seriously, I know what you mean, it seemed like there were fewer romance scenes with Solas than with the others. To compare it with, say, Cullen's (which was the only other one I played through), I thought Cullen had more scenes, but Solas' scenes felt more intense to me. Perhaps it felt more emotional, perhaps there was more dialogue with Solas, or perhaps it was just my preference, but Solas' romance won for me in terms of quality over quantity.

 

Yeah, I've made a theory once that they've tried something different with Solas romance, not just because it was implemented later, but also because it is a somewhat different romance compared to others (the current protagonist able to romance not just future antagonist, but a character crucial for the overall story) - and basically instead of adding more content, they've tried "less is more approach". We got less scenes, but at the same time they're more intense - not just necessarily in terms of what happens in them, but also in terms of cinematic direction. Solas's romance cutscenes rely much strongly on visual language of the scene. The cadres and light play and positioning and body language is used much more deliberately compared to others.

[Macha'Anu]

I would say it's equally rude to say you can't bring up the video game in the video game, it wasn't really stated in the OP what basis there was for anything. At any rate I don't care if you guys don't want to think or talk about the game even though it's a video game well one it might be a better idea to select a different media but honestly like yeah I don't really have to add anything else if people here just want to talk about dialogue and text so be it.

Friend, all im saying is the op wanted to discuss story, canon, lore. and you all but say " stop worrying about story and talk about how to win solas sucks at gameplay." Thats not what this thread was intended for. What im saying it. It was rude of you to all but dismiss her topic cause Winning<Lore. And then on top of that ypu argue why your opinion is right over anyone elses when they do talk mechanics, whihc again isnt what the OP wanted to discuss. Honey its opinions. None are right or wrong. its all releative to what the person playing the game likes. Some folks like necro/KE some dont. Its not that big a deal. Move on ya know. And lets bring the topic back to where it belongs. Storyline, lore and canon. Theres plenty of threads to feverishly debate what class is superior around here somewhere Im sure.

 

Anyway back to the subject at hand, I am kinda hoping that maybe we see the inuisitor in the sense we had leliana and cullen wheres shes apart of our group but only as story bg. And we are helping her find solas and stop him from doing what it is hes going to do. And then maybe who knows see either a sad ending to that relationship or good one lol

[Macha'Anu]

I don't see any of these things happening because i don't think Bioware as any intention to use so extensively the same characters for the 4th time.

Didnt flemeth in essence Well Die? So it stands to reason she cant come back right? But Morrigan isn't going anywhere. As the Mother of Kieran? I would think shes got more of a part to play even if its just in story line.

[roselavellan]

Yeah, I've made a theory once that they've tried something different with Solas romance, not just because it was implemented later, but also because it is a somewhat different romance compared to others (the current protagonist able to romance not just future antagonist, but a character crucial for the overall story) - and basically instead of adding more content, they've tried "less is more approach". We got less scenes, but at the same time they're more intense - not just necessarily in terms of what happens in them, but also in terms of cinematic direction. Solas's romance cutscenes rely much strongly on visual language of the scene. The cadres and light play and positioning and body language is used much more deliberately compared to others.

 

I agree, I noticed the body language at least. In all his kiss scenes, Solas seems to hug Lavellan so tightly, like he desperately doesn't want to lose her. He always seems extremely passionate in these scenes.

[Baboontje]

Oh, I was definitely left wanting more

 

But seriously, I know what you mean, it seemed like there were fewer romance scenes with Solas than with the others. To compare it with, say, Cullen's (which was the only other one I played through), I thought Cullen had more scenes, but Solas' scenes felt more intense to me. Perhaps it felt more emotional, perhaps there was more dialogue with Solas, or perhaps it was just my preference, but Solas' romance won for me in terms of quality over quantity.

 

Exactly this. Even though Cullen may have more scenes and I liked them well enough, Solas' romance just makes me feel more emotionally invested. I was unable to do anything else after the first time I romanced him and made two more playthroughs where he is my LI. Third one still ongoing. And if it weren't for him, I'd have been happy with a new PC for DA4, but as it stands, I now want my Inquisitor to come back and am rooting for dual-protagonists.

 

I would even go so far as to say that Solas is probably my favourite LI out of all of DA and ME combined.

[midnight tea]

Anyway back to the subject at hand, I am kinda hoping that maybe we see the inuisitor in the sense we had leliana and cullen wheres shes apart of our group but only as story bg. And we are helping her find solas and stop him from doing what it is hes going to do. And then maybe who knows see either a sad ending to that relationship or good one lol

 

IMO Trespasser pretty strongly suggests that we're going to see Inky back in DA4, possibly in more than just a cameo or as an NPC, like Hawke. The 'final showdown' after all is so far built up to still be between Inky and Solas.

 

Plus, the post-epilogue scene in the DLC suggests that it's likely that in the next game we're going to play agents for Inquisition (... or, alternatively, Fen'Harel? Are we going to be able to play at one side or another?). So Inky will likely be on the 'chessmaster' position, playing a tactical game with Fen'Harel through their agent(s).

 

It may also be that:

a.) since TW3 proved to be wildly popular and the ability to play secondary protag was met with positive response,

b.) we know that even before TW3 release DA devs (in a Q&A with Kotaku) revealed that they at least consider the idea of multiple protagonists as intriguing and not undoable

c.) David Gaider has revealed that DAI was initially supposed to be twice as long in terms of scope of the story and that another half of it still exists and will be part/focus of the next game

 

... that we may yet end up controlling Inquisitor to some extent in the next game.