Yeah, if our character is from Tevinter I think it's really unlikely we'll have race options anyway. Even if not, I think Qunari might be out regardless in the next game.
Not necessarily. They have Qunari slaves in Tevinter. I'd wager that they'd be a very exotic sort of thing, something a Magister would highly prize.
To be honest, I would be very interested, from a roleplaying perspective, to have a PC be a Tevinter elven mage. That would be a fun playthrough.
There are high chances for the Inquisitor to not be brought back
1)The Inquisitor like the warden is a non clearly defined character and is also highly customizable unlike Hawke.
The warden was not reused for the same reason and not because it could have been dead,this was actually mentioned in several interviews,BioWare was unable to replicate their personality.
Care to share those interviews? Because I remember clearly reading interviews where it was specifically mentioned (like one for PC Gamer) that one of the biggest hurdles to bring a character back (any character, not just PC) is the number of variable endings or states (which they internally call "quantum states") a character can have. And there's no character who has more quantum states in the history of the franchise than the Warden. Way more than Inquisitor or Hawke at any rate.
Gaider in interview with VGS also mentions that at the time they released DAO they didn't know if they'd be able to continue with the franchise - hence the variety of variable states AND epilogues that later turned out to be a huge problem for them to write around for DAI.
The fact that the character is harder to bring back if they die, even if optionally, was also mentioned in Biofan interview with Patrick Weekes. Weekes also mentioned in one of the panels that the reason they don't bring the Hof is because their story and usefulness for future narrative is DONE.
Which, judging from Trespasser, is entirely not what happens to Inquisitor.
2) The Inquisitor is a relatively unpopular character and BioWare proved time and time again that they cut unpopular characters.
Why i said it is unpopular?For the simple reason that i read every source from fans(not just Bsn or the Blanketfort) and the vibe is quite similar many players don't like this protagonist which would most likely make DA4 unappealing for them.
You base your entire argument on the premise that people who claim they enjoy Inquisitor "don't read any other sources than BSN and Blanktfort" - which is simply not true. Even in internal or fan pools that were about bringing back Inquisitor to DA (in any role) around 75% is for 'yes', while the game popularity indicates that they either like the character or story well enough to enjoy it.
And I mentioned already the popularity of Trespasser DLC - it wouldn't be selling as well if people didn't care about character almost a year after base game's release, or would have a different reaction to the clear implication that BW is not yet done with Inky.
3)New players don't care about an old protagonist which does not have a clear personality,why BioWare should forced on them their "canon" Inquisitor?
You only make a "clear personality" distinction, because you *know* that new players can care or can start to care about recurring characters. The success of franchises like ME clearly proves that.
Plus - if newcomers don't care about character "with clear personality", why should they care about anything about any character or the story? Which they'd be playing a 4th installment of. Dragon Age isn't "The Elder Scrolls" franchise - at this point recurring themes, plot points or faces should be expected even by newcomers. Plus the requirement to make them interested with it doesn't lie with re-playing the previous games, but strength of he story or game. I was personally hooked in by DAI. I "didn't care" about past titles or any characters, "clear personality" or no, only for DAI to change it
Also - what makes you think that they'd bring a "canon" Inquisitor? There were already many ways that were mentioned here that could allow us to control and define the character, especially on dual-protag route.
Expect for the Crestwood scene. He only has one arm around her there. He doesn't move the other arm. So, he has one side of his body leaning into Lavellan while the other is not. That asymmetrical body language is still telling though.I agree, I noticed the body language at least. In all his kiss scenes, Solas seems to hug Lavellan so tightly, like he desperately doesn't want to lose her. He always seems extremely passionate in these scenes.
And the conversation veered away from boring game fighting mechanics stuff to interesting story/dual PC's stuff.
It's ok if you aren't good at video games, I won't tell =-)
But you are right, and thus my interest in this thread to be honest, have fun alls.
Expect for the Crestwood scene. He only has one arm around her there. He doesn't move the other arm. So, he has one side of his body leaning into Lavellan while the other is not. That asymmetrical body language is still telling though.
Oh, no, Solas! Solaaaaaasss!!! Ugh, the maddening, conflicted, tormented elf...
Oh, no, Solas! Solaaaaaasss!!! Ugh, the maddening, conflicted, tormented elf...
Let it be known that Solas is the only character where I look at every possible facet of his animation. His facial expression (which I swear to god, a lot of detail has been put into), his posture, his stance, the location of his arms at any given time, etc.
I could spend several minuets evaluating his countenance and never getting tired of it. Not even Dorian gets that treatment!
Let it be known that Solas is the only character where I look at every possible facet of his animation. His facial expression (which I swear to god, a lot of detail has been put into), his posture, his stance, the location of his arms at any given time, etc.
I could spend several minuets evaluating his countenance and never getting tired of it. Not even Dorian gets that treatment!
I don't have flycam, unfortunately, so I can't always see his full body language, but yeah, the facial expressions were incredible. The Crestwood scene, in particular, was emotionally shattering, when his expression went from radiant adoration to emotionally distant in just one second.
Ok I couldn't resist because I may be misusing the term but isn't Solas that "Mary Sue" thing or whatever?
Ok I couldn't resist because I may be misusing the term but isn't Solas that "Mary Sue" thing or whatever?
The "thing" after Mary Sue implies that you don't know much about the term. And no, he is not Mary Sue.
Ok I couldn't resist because I may be misusing the term but isn't Solas that "Mary Sue" thing or whatever?
That would require every character in the story to like him and for the plot to bend to his desires, both of which are not the case. He is a prime motivator for the plot, which can be mistaken for a Sue, and I have seen the accusation leveled at the writers that they've made him too much of an author's pet because he gets a lot of attention. But the fact that he's important to the plot and lore, does not make him a Sue any more than it does a character like Dream from Sandman.
ETA: Sues are generally very obvious author inserts, where the author is playing out a fantasy where they get to always win, and be friends with the characters they like and get together with their favored love interest. So it's more likely that your player character is a Sue, than any of the NPCs.
That would require every character in the story to like him and for the plot to bend to his desires, both of which are not the case. He is a prime motivator for the plot, which can be mistaken for a Sue, and I have seen the accusation leveled at the writers that they've made him too much of an author's pet because he gets a lot of attention. But the fact that he's important to the plot and lore, does not make him a Sue any more than it does a character like Dream from Sandman.
ETA: Sues are generally very obvious author inserts, where the author is playing out a fantasy where they get to always win, and be friends with the characters they like and get together with their favored love interest. So it's more likely that your player character is a Sue, than any of the NPCs.
I wasn't saying he was an author insert portion of "mary Sue" sorry I should of specified, I meant that he was essentially all powerful and continually had plot wise extreme powers and the ability to do just about anything he wanted, as well as possess all these traits of being "perfect" and such and such.
I wasn't saying he was an author insert portion of "mary Sue" sorry I should of specified, I meant that he was essentially all powerful and continually had plot wise extreme powers and the ability to do just about anything he wanted, as well as possess all these traits of being "perfect" and such and such.
The wut 
? Nothing you said describes Solas. He's not all powerful. He doesn't have plot wise 'extreme powers' - or that was balanced with others having ones we well.
And when he had ability to do anything he wanted? If he did, would he have to instigate a rebellion and wouldn't have to create the Veil he regrets.
And I don't think anyone, not even most enamored fans, think that he's perfect.
I wasn't saying he was an author insert portion of "mary Sue" sorry I should of specified, I meant that he was essentially all powerful and continually had plot wise extreme powers and the ability to do just about anything he wanted, as well as possess all these traits of being "perfect" and such and such.
I realize you already do not like anything about him, so there is little point in trying to explain this, buuut...
In that case, what you are looking at is an antagonist. Whether you like him or not, his job in the story is to set up obstacles that your protagonist must overcome. Thus, he has to be given enough power and agency within the narrative for there to be a reasonable chance of his success, and for him to be threatening to the outcome your protagonist desires. In a world with magic and super powers and gods that walk the earth, in a story about the coming of a new age, there would have to be people who could bring that about, and he is just one of them.
If your antagonist in a story like this doesn't seem threatening at all, and has no valid points, or motivations that are remotely relatable, then what you get is another flat, uninspired guy like Corypheus (obviously, your mileage may vary), who gets blown over like a feather, and is forgotten as soon as you walk away from the computer. The fact that people keep coming back to this thread to argue, I think, makes the case that Solas is inspiring a lot of feelings in people, whether love or revulsion, and so far, he is a success as a strong antagonist.
I realize you already do not like anything about him, so there is little point in trying to explain this, buuut...
In that case, what you are looking at is an antagonist. Whether you like him or not, his job in the story is to set up obstacles that your protagonist must overcome. Thus, he has to be given enough power and agency within the narrative for there to be a reasonable chance of his success, and for him to be threatening to the outcome your protagonist desires. In a world with magic and super powers and gods that walk the earth, in a story about the coming of a new age, there would have to be people who could bring that about, and he is just one of them.
If your antagonist in a story like this doesn't seem threatening at all, and has no valid points, or motivations that are remotely relatable, then what you get is another flat, uninspired guy like Corypheus (obviously, your mileage may vary), who gets blown over like a feather, and is forgotten as soon as you walk away from the computer. The fact that people keep coming back to this thread to argue, I think, makes the case that Solas is inspiring a lot of feelings in people, whether love or revulsion, and so far, he is a success as a strong antagonist.
Well the problem is the only thing he inspires in my case is comedy, everything about him is a joke to me. It's just no one else is laughing.
Well the problem is the only thing he inspires in my case is comedy, everything about him is a joke to me. It's just no one else is laughing.
Fair enough, people have different tastes, and yours are just as valid as any others. 
Not necessarily. They have Qunari slaves in Tevinter. I'd wager that they'd be a very exotic sort of thing, something a Magister would highly prize.
To be honest, I would be very interested, from a roleplaying perspective, to have a PC be a Tevinter elven mage. That would be a fun playthrough.
I didn't mean there aren't Qunari in Tevinter. I meant it'd be difficult to have one in a position of power. Even if that position isn't related to Tevinter, after Trespasser I find the possibility of any organization in Thedas putting one in that position to be hard.
Granted, that's just my opinion. They might still go for it, and we don't even know if we'd be in a position that would preclude a qunari PC.
Agreed on a Tevinter elven mage. It opens a lot of interesting way to roleplay.
I don't have flycam, unfortunately, so I can't always see his full body language, but yeah, the facial expressions were incredible. The Crestwood scene, in particular, was emotionally shattering, when his expression went from radiant adoration to emotionally distant in just one second.
When I get there with my third Lavellan, I will flycam the crap out of that scene! 
IMO Trespasser pretty strongly suggests that we're going to see Inky back in DA4, possibly in more than just a cameo or as an NPC, like Hawke. The 'final showdown' after all is so far built up to still be between Inky and Solas.
Plus, the post-epilogue scene in the DLC suggests that it's likely that in the next game we're going to play agents for Inquisition (... or, alternatively, Fen'Harel? Are we going to be able to play at one side or another?). So Inky will likely be on the 'chessmaster' position, playing a tactical game with Fen'Harel through their agent(s).
It may also be that:
a.) since TW3 proved to be wildly popular and the ability to play secondary protag was met with positive response,
b.) we know that even before TW3 release DA devs (in a Q&A with Kotaku) revealed that they at least consider the idea of multiple protagonists as intriguing and not undoable
c.) David Gaider has revealed that DAI was initially supposed to be twice as long in terms of scope of the story and that another half of it still exists and will be part/focus of the next game
... that we may yet end up controlling Inquisitor to some extent in the next game.
I'm... really trying not to hope too hard for this. I mean really, really trying. I do try to be rational and consider things the devs have said, or try to look at things from a dev perspective in a general sense -- "They did this thing because of that reason" and so on. I do that with a great many issues.
But... I REALLY want to see the Inquisitor again in some capacity and ideally be able to control him in some dialogues. He's my favorite DA PC to date and I'm just not ready to let go of him quite yet.
I dislike feeling this way about this character, particularly when I know there is a high probability I will be disappointed.
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This is one of the reasons I haven't played Trespasser more than once after release; I don't want to feel like my Inquisitor is done, or that DAI is done. I was bummed out for a couple of weeks after playing it.
This is one of the reasons I haven't played Trespasser more than once after release; I don't want to feel like my Inquisitor is done, or that DAI is done. I was bummed out for a couple of weeks after playing it.
Odd, that. I liked my Inquisitors until Trespasser took away most of what they gained for themselves in the course of the story, plus their arm and their cool magical extra, and made them lose to Ferelden, Orlais and Solas.
Now I'd rather not see them again, however appropriate it would be. Not because I don't like them anymore, but because I don't like to be reminded of this forced depowering in the epilogue, which made me angry. The next game might have better hair though - that would almost be worth it.
Odd, that. I liked my Inquisitors until Trespasser took away most of what they gained for themselves in the course of the story, plus their arm and their cool magical extra, and made them lose to Ferelden, Orlais and Solas.
Now I'd rather not see them again, however appropriate it would be. Not because I don't like them anymore, but because I don't like to be reminded of this forced depowering in the epilogue, which made me angry. The next game might have better hair though - that would almost be worth it.
I can't help but think all that ceremony and pomp is a direct byproduct of Solas's own inability to control all the meaningful interactions in his life, this corresponding over-obsession with control.
I can't help but think all that ceremony and pomp is a direct byproduct of Solas's own inability to control all the meaningful interactions in his life, this corresponding over-obsession with control.
I don't understand this post.
Care to share those interviews? Because I remember clearly reading interviews where it was specifically mentioned (like one for PC Gamer) that one of the biggest hurdles to bring a character back (any character, not just PC) is the number of variable endings or states (which they internally call "quantum states") a character can have. And there's no character who has more quantum states in the history of the franchise than the Warden. Way more than Inquisitor or Hawke at any rate.
You base your entire argument on the premise that people who claim they enjoy Inquisitor "don't read any other sources than BSN and Blanktfort" - which is simply not true. Even in internal or fan pools that were about bringing back Inquisitor to DA (in any role) around 75% is for 'yes', while the game popularity indicates that they either like the character or story well enough to enjoy it.
And I mentioned already the popularity of Trespasser DLC - it wouldn't be selling as well if people didn't care about character almost a year after base game's release, or would have a different reaction to the clear implication that BW is not yet done with Inky.
You only make a "clear personality" distinction, because you *know* that new players can care or can start to care about recurring characters. The success of franchises like ME clearly proves that.
The next game might have better hair though - that would almost be worth it.
I don't understand this post.
I think you do, though.
Ok, I'll be less cheeky. I'm just saying Solas's problem stem from his inability to control others, hence becoming overly invested in it and his whole excessive "depowering" a direct consequence of his feelings of a lack of power.
The next game might have better hair though - that would almost be worth it.
I think both Bethesda and Bioware have kinda been spoiled by a determined modding community that comes along and fixes their crappy hair. "Ah, we'll hand-wave the hair, the modders will fix it later anyway."
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