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[Ellawynn]

Solas is Sexy ?

 

 

I mean, the supposedly inexplicable attraction to Solas was the original point of this topic...

 

But that was an age long before metaphors and eyebrow gifs.

[German Soldier]

For me, the jury is out on whether or not he's murdering people or if this is a situation where he's actually killing some healthy cells in the process of killing the cancer. 

 

 

Your allegory is extremely flawed since its interpretation does not found the ontological reality.

Solas is killing persons for his own ambitions of restorations that have nothing to do with saving the planet as a whole.

[Baboontje]

If you want a sexy Elven wizard, check this guy out:-

 

[midnight tea]

But don't you know? He's positively godlike
 

From DA Reddit.

 

http://imgur.com/a/1nDYP

 

Damn Solas....

 

 

But more seriously, this is so much "but that's just your opinion, man" territory it's a rather hard topic to discuss.

[Almostfaceman]

 

Your allegory is extremely flawed since its interpretation does not found the ontological reality.

Solas is killing persons for his own ambitions of restorations that have nothing to do with saving the planet as a whole.

 

 

This isn't an allegory. 

 

And then you left out the part of why I haven't decided yet if "Solas is killing persons for his own ambitions... blah blah blah"

 

The entire quote is...

 

For me, the jury is out on whether or not he's murdering people or if this is a situation where he's actually killing some healthy cells in the process of killing the cancer. 

 

If it turns out he's just killing healthy cells for no good reason, I drop him like Deadpool drops Francis.

 

If it turns out that saving the elven people is actually a good thing for the rest of Thedas (hints I've mentioned... if you missed them just look back a few pages if you feel so inclined) then maybe the choice will be harder to make about who lives or dies. 

 

There's more story, lore, background, stuff to reveal and we haven't had the chance to kill/not kill Solas yet. We'll see what happens. 

 

See the underlined sentence? That's the part you left out, that you shouldn't have left out. It explains why, for me, "the jury is out." 

[German Soldier]

This isn't an allegory. 

 

And then you left out the part of why I haven't decided yet if "Solas is killing persons for his own ambitions... blah blah blah"

 

The entire quote is...

 

For me, the jury is out on whether or not he's murdering people or if this is a situation where he's actually killing some healthy cells in the process of killing the cancer. 

 

If it turns out he's just killing healthy cells for no good reason, I drop him like Deadpool drops Francis.

 

If it turns out that saving the elven people is actually a good thing for the rest of Thedas (hints I've mentioned... if you missed them just look back a few pages if you feel so inclined) then maybe the choice will be harder to make about who lives or dies. 

 

There's more story, lore, background, stuff to reveal and we haven't had the chance to kill/not kill Solas yet. We'll see what happens. 

 

See the underlined sentence? That's the part you left out, that you shouldn't have left out. It explains why, for me, "the jury is out." 

It is an allegory since you used a biological disease to illustrate through a  replacement of an object to another a concept  not based on the emotional level but on a rational interpretation of what it implies.

The jury is not out for  utterly contrived speculations which is the underlined statement of thy post.

Solas isn't doing what he is going to do to save the world from an imminent threat but to restore the elves and he was clear about this  several times,saying that he is killing healthy cells to stop the cancer is pure nonsense.

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[Almostfaceman]

It is an allegory since you used a biological disease to illustrate through a  replacement of an object to another a concept  not based on the emotional level but on a rational interpretation of what it implies.

The jury is not out for  utterly contrived speculations which is the underlined statement of thy post.

Solas isn't doing what he is going to do to save the world from an imminent threat but to restore the elves and he was clear about this  several times.

 

That's not what an allegory is. 

 

Here's the definition:

1:  the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence; also :  an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression

2:  a symbolic representation :

: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation

 

Since we don't have the complete story yet, I don't agree that "Solas isn't doing what he is going to do to save the world from an imminent threat but to restore the elves and he was clear about this several times."

[Toasted Llama]

I remember lurking in this thread back when it was only a dozen or so pages long. Damn this thing exploded.

 

Who knew one could discuss an egg for almost 100 pages.

 

As for my opinion; While I greatly enjoy watching my Inquisitor and Solas discuss all manner of things, especially the fade and spirits, I'm incredibly shallow and don't consider him handsome enough to be my main Inquisitor's boo.

[German Soldier]

 

That's not what an allegory is. 

 

Here's the definition:

1:  the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence; also :  an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression

2:  a symbolic representation :

: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation

 

Since we don't have the complete story yet, I don't agree that "Solas isn't doing what he is going to do to save the world from an imminent threat but to restore the elves and he was clear about this several times."

 

Where did you picked that definition? I find it to be extremely incomplete.

 

An allegory is a figure of speech (an artifice in language aimed at creating a particular effect)  for which something abstract(Solas plans) is expressed through a concrete image(cancer): in it, as in the metaphor, there is the replacement of an object to another but, in contrast to that, it is not based on the emotional level but requires rational interpretation of what that implies. It then operates on a higher plane than the visible and the first meaning.

 

I never said that you did a good allegory in fact it was a poor one but it resemble one since you didn't implied literally the cancer but used it to describe the hypothetical nefarious fate of Thedas and how Solas plans would be the cure for it at the cost of some lives that you equated to the sane cells of an organism.

 

Since we don't have the complete story yet you based your statement into an headcanon and morphed Solas destructive plan with an hypothesis

(not supported by the game of DAI) of his plans involving some sort of salvation for the world.

[Xerrai]

I remember lurking in this thread back when it was only a dozen or so pages long. Damn this thing exploded.

 

Who knew one could discuss an egg for almost 100 pages.

 

As for my opinion; While I greatly enjoy watching my Inquisitor and Solas discuss all manner of things, especially the fade and spirits, I'm incredibly shallow and don't consider him handsome enough to be my main Inquisitor's boo.

I'm kinda surprised too. And its noteworthy because it is essentially being filled by the same 10 or so people. But then again, many threads are like that. But I still think its amazing how we could go to 100 pages talking about Solas and why some of us like him (even though it has since went into several subtopics about morality/ethics).

[Almostfaceman]

 

Where did you picked that definition? I find it to be extremely incomplete.

 

An allegory is a figure of speech (an artifice in language aimed at creating a particular effect)  for which something abstract(Solas plans) is expressed through a concrete image(cancer): in it, as in the metaphor, there is the replacement of an object to another but, in contrast to that, it is not based on the emotional level but requires rational interpretation of what that implies. It then operates on a higher plane than the visible and the first meaning.

 

I never said that you did a good allegory in fact it was a poor one but it resemble one since you didn't implied literally the cancer but used it to describe the hypothetical nefarious fate of Thedas and how Solas plans would be the cure for it at the cost of some lives that you equated to the sane cells of an organism.

 

Since we don't have the complete story yet you based your statement into an headcanon and morphed Solas destructive plan with an hypothesis

(not supported by the game of DAI) of his plans involving some sort of salvation for the world.

 

 

Well, it looks like we can disagree again. Care to say the same thing one more time? Because this is three times now. 

 

A figure of speech is a word or phrase that has a meaning something different than its literal meaning. It can be a metaphor or simile that is designed to further explain a concept. Or, it can be a different way of pronouncing a word or phrase such as with alliteration to give further meaning or a different sound.

 

http://examples.your...h-examples.html

[Addictress]

People focus on Solas saying "this world will end" and whether that is figurative or literal (actual biological terminations or just civilizations ruined). But he actually literally says in another dialogue option, "I would rather they die in comfort."

Yeah, so....die. like, that's unambiguous. I'm a Solas fan but I think it's clear he expects everyone to ACTUALLY die. As in corporeal termination.

[Almostfaceman]

People focus on Solas saying "this world will end" and whether that is figurative or literal (actual biological terminations or just civilizations ruined). But he actually literally says in another dialogue option, "I would rather they die in comfort."

Yeah, so....die. like, that's unambiguous. I'm a Solas fan but I think it's clear he expects everyone to ACTUALLY die. As in corporeal termination.

 

I tend to agree with this, but I expect there to be a few survivors. He also says something about chaos and there's always people who survive chaos. 

 

kay I looked up my earlier transcript, this is what he says:

 

Solas: I would have entered the Fade, using the mark you now bear. Then I would have torn down the Veil. As this world burned in the raw chaos, I would have restored the world of my time.. the world of the elves. 

[Ellawynn]

People focus on Solas saying "this world will end" and whether that is figurative or literal (actual biological terminations or just civilizations ruined). But he actually literally says in another dialogue option, "I would rather they die in comfort."

Yeah, so....die. like, that's unambiguous. I'm a Solas fan but I think it's clear he expects everyone to ACTUALLY die. As in corporeal termination.

 

I don't think many people believe Solas' speech to be entirely metaphorical. Outside of the first few days following Trespasser, I don't think I've ever seen someone seriously argue that Solas' plan will hurt nothing and no one and the world will only die because it's changed.

 

But, I think when we get onto discussions of metaphor, it's less "He was just being allegorical when he said he'll murder everyone" and more "He plainly acknowledges that a lot of people are going to die - but how many? Will they be killed on principal, like humans can't exist whatsoever in this new world so they all must be murdered? Will they be killed in a crossfire, with so much chaos and change occurring so suddenly that natural disasters strike and societal systems decay?"

 

Typically when people start going on about "metaphor," that's the argument they're having. Because some interpret Solas' "This world will be destroyed" comment literally, and thus believe the very planet will be reduced to lifeless rock, while others interpret it as an exaggerated way of saying "Lots of people will die and lots of things will change to the point where the world will be unrecognizable from what it was before." Granted I haven't really been following this recent back-and-forth, and I wouldn't want to speak for someone who's in the thread anyway.

 

But I've seen very, very few people try to seriously argue that he meant "murder" and "raging chaos" as a metaphor for candy and fluffy bunnies.

[midnight tea]

I don't think many people believe Solas' speech to be entirely metaphorical. Outside of the first few days following Trespasser, I don't think I've ever seen someone seriously argue that Solas' plan will hurt nothing and no one and the world will only die because it's changed.

 

But, I think when we get onto discussions of metaphor, it's less "He was just being allegorical when he said he'll murder everyone" and more "He plainly acknowledges that a lot of people are going to die - but how many? Will they be killed on principal, like humans can't exist whatsoever in this new world so they all must be murdered? Will they be killed in a crossfire, with so much chaos and change occurring so suddenly that natural disasters strike and societal systems decay?"

 

Typically when people start going on about "metaphor," that's the argument they're having. Because some interpret Solas' "This world will be destroyed" comment literally, and thus believe the very planet will be reduced to lifeless rock, while others interpret it as an exaggerated way of saying "Lots of people will die and lots of things will change to the point where the world will be unrecognizable from what it was before." Granted I haven't really been following this recent back-and-forth, and I wouldn't want to speak for someone who's in the thread anyway.

 

But I've seen very, very few people try to seriously argue that he meant "murder" and "raging chaos" as a metaphor for candy and fluffy bunnies.

 

Nah. Even if we establish that Solas meant a lot of his things metaphorically, or in more ways than one, or not literally, doesn't mean that suddenly the world will turn into honey and flowers-filled paradise. I mean, even the "mental transition" or whatever will happen, and in the end it would turn out to actually be a positive change, it may mean that Solas doesn't believe that a lot of people will actually survive transcending their mortal state and perish as the result. 

 

Also - his full quote is "If they have to die, I'd rather they die in comfort".

[Addictress]

 

Also - his full quote is "If they have to die, I'd rather they die in comfort".

 

[midnight tea]

snip

 

... I'm not really sure if you're suspicious or silently judging me

[Addictress]

... I'm not really sure if you're suspicious or silently judging me

I never considered the "if" and I'm trying to determine if it really is an admission by Solas that there is a slight chance that people won't physically die

[Almostfaceman]

I never considered the "if" and I'm trying to determine if it really is an admission by Solas that there is a slight chance that people won't physically die

 

I look at it like this. After the Veil is lowered, the earth won't explode. There has to be something left for the elves to plant their flag on. 

 

Our information is incomplete, but we know that lowering the Veil will change the conscious connection between beings of Thedas and the Fade. So, in the spirit of chaos, I imagine people seeing visions, clutching their heads, doubting reality, dogs and cats living together... Biblical Stuff. So maybe it's a lot of people dropping dead from the shock, people running around in the street burning stuff, people jumping on stage acting like Justin Beiber... civilizations are going to collapse, order will not be maintained, blood will flow, crops will burn, buildings will get knocked down under human stampedes (or Qunari stampedes... them horns...)

 

Raw chaos doesn't really imply to me that everyone will just hit the ground dead, or fall into a permanent coma... 

 

Anyway, yeah. 

 

[midnight tea]

I never considered the "if" and I'm trying to determine if it really is an admission by Solas that there is a slight chance that people won't physically die

 

Personally I think the idea is that he simply doesn't know at this point. Or at the very least, he's not sure. He fully expects that his plans will bring about a drastic change to the world, just like the last time, but not only the plan is different (in details maybe but still) from plan A with Anchor and the Orb, perhaps his exposure to the world also made him less convinced that things could go only in one direction.

 

The destruction of the wold is not his plan in itself after all - it's the restoration of his people and the Fade and connection to it. And I think he simply expects (expected?) that modern Thedosians don't have it in them to withstand the change he's about to bring... but them surviving his changes or the restoration isn't yet entirely off the table, at least under certain conditions. Hence he says a lot of "even if's" or "may dies" rather than more definitive statements and tells befriended Inky on redemption route that he's looking forward to be proven wrong again.

[Sah291]

I don't think he's being metaphorical, I think he really believes people will die.

Even if he's just talking empires falling, or some kind of global collapse of world powers across Thedas.

But just comparing what he did before, he has the most grim and fatalistic outlook possible on the outcome. He thinks the current world is a disaster of epic proportions. So I think we have to keep in mind, he may be considering the worst possible scenario and being prepared for the worst, even if that outcome might not necessarily come to pass. He's a very pessimistic character all throughout DAI.

Or. He's really messing with time magic or something, and people are literally going to blink out of existence. Or in order to lift the Veil, everyone literally has to shed their corporeal forms...and die.

He specifically won't explain when you ask him to elaborate why everyone is going to die.

[midnight tea]

He specifically won't explain when you ask him to elaborate why everyone is going to die.

 

I almost expect him to say "Haha, want me to spoil next Dragon Age title? *tsk, tsk* Sorry, you get to wait a few years!" every time I pick that option

 

And of course I want to send a Howler to BW quarters...

[Ellawynn]

 

 

 

Poor Blackwall. No one ever invites him to spontaneous-but-weirdly-synchronized LI dance parties.

[German Soldier]

Well, it looks like we can disagree again. Care to say the same thing one more time? Because this is three times now. 

 

A figure of speech is a word or phrase that has a meaning something different than its literal meaning. It can be a metaphor or simile that is designed to further explain a concept. Or, it can be a different way of pronouncing a word or phrase such as with alliteration to give further meaning or a different sound.

 

http://examples.your...h-examples.html

Well sorry to burst your bubble mostly made of shabby dictionary meanings exhausted on the minimum terms about figures of speech,but i don't base the definition of allegory and metaphors based upon dictionaries meaning but rather on my own readings on  Harald Weinrich.

The allegory is also an extended metaphor( figure of speech) and it pertains your post the moment you decided to describe the abstract of Solas intentions as a cure(concrete image) 

[Almostfaceman]

Well sorry to burst your bubble mostly made of shabby dictionary meanings exhausted on the minimum terms about figures of speech,but i don't base the definition of allegory and metaphors based upon dictionaries meaning but rather on my own readings on  Harald Weinrich.

 

Well, that's nice. But he's a German scholar. For how the Americans use the English language, you have to analyze how we're taught to use the language and we're all brought up using dictionaries based off work by Noah Webster. It's part of our public school curriculum. I had to look up thousands of words and their definitions as I went through school. 

 

https://en.wikipedia...Merriam-Webster

 

Are you German? I've often wondered about that, since you don't seem to use the English language the same way that an American uses the language. It's like you use a Google translator with your posts. 

 

So you're losing something in translation, sometimes. 

 

You can't burst my bubble, mate. You're an opinion on a message board.