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[Almostfaceman]

Calling it right now... peacock feathers in DA4... and their true meaning. 

 

[Ellawynn]

Haha... I made a tumblr post about that a while ago. It was one of those absurd, ridiculous connections: "Pavus = peacock in Latin, and we see peacock feathers depicted during the recounting of the fall of the magisters! But I'm not saying it means anything!! *Eyebrow waggle*" XD

 

Spoiler

 

Interesting. So... black peacock feathers as a symbol of the Taint, maybe? Taken with the mural, it'd jive with the theory that Solas created the Veil at least partially to lock the Blight away.

 

I thought the symbols on the mural looked like peacock feathers, but it seemed like such an irrelevant thing to me that I didn't pay much mind to it. I forgot about the feathers in Origins' opening, though...

[myahele]

Could it be that the Magisters were driven mad by demons like that when they entered the fade physically? They saw something like that, maybe, and the taint that they brought back with them.

 

Possible, we know that spirits/ demons can take away memories. In fact, it seems as if all of the known Magisters have a form of amnesia. 

 

There are some truth to all the legends, and if that's the case then Elgar'nan probably did fight and defeat "The Sun" and imprisoned him.

 

Anyways, here is a highly edited version of that same mosaic. Notice how there seem to be a building/ city? How in the center of that is a Sun? Not only that, but there appears to be a pathway leading to it in the bottom/center.

 

 

I have a theory that "The Sun" deity that's mentioned in myths could very well be locked up in the City. It might even be the source of the Taint. Afterall, in the "Sun's" jealousy for Elgar'nan he destroyed all life; prior to that the Sun didn't really care about anything up until Elgar'nan came to be.

 

I can see a figure like the "sun" to want all old life to be destroyed and him reign supreme .... afterall Darkspawn have been seen praying. Maybe the Old God's are parts of this "sun?" afterall, elves/ demons can be chopped up and their body parts sealed in different locations.

 

Since the Sun seems to be surrounded by those black peacock feathers (representing the Taint...Void?) perhaps it's another failsafe to prevent anyone from reaching the Sun? 

[nightscrawl]

The downfall of the magisters was their trip into the abyss, where they were driven mad.

I don't understand what this has to do with my post... It was essentially a joke about Dorian's family name.

[Ellawynn]

 

 

I can see a figure like the "sun" to want all old life to be destroyed and him reign supreme .... 

 

Someone's been playing a bit too much Fallen London.

 

In all seriousness - I stand by the theory that the Sun is the Maker, or that at the very least, the "Maker" is a composite figure, with some his acts and aspects being Solas' (Making the Veil, imprisoning gods, possibly being involved with Andraste.) and most of everything else (Creating spirits and humans, abandoning the world, etc.) as being the Sun. 

 

Assuming that's true, I don't think the Chant is lying when they say the Maker (willingly) abandoned the world out of dissatisfaction with his creations, but only because it makes it so easy for the devs to continue side-stepping the question of whether or not he's real. If we break into the Golden City and find the Maker chilling there with a martini and a bunch of Fade babes, well, it kinda strips all the mystery away.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Golden City was the Maker's palace originally and Elgar'nan just moved in afterwards.

[Sah291]

I don't understand what this has to do with my post... It was essentially a joke about Dorian's family name.

 

Sorry, I was just referring to the image you posted and the peacock feather imagery in the art.

 

I don't think it has anything to do with Dorian. 

[nightscrawl]

^ Well me either, really... it was a joke, as I said.

 

*Sigh.*

[Sah291]

^ Well me either, really... it was a joke, as I said.

 

*Sigh.*

 

I got that. 

Maybe I should have explained more what I meant and that I was just commenting on the image/artwork.

[midnight tea]

I have a theory that "The Sun" deity that's mentioned in myths could very well be locked up in the City. It might even be the source of the Taint. Afterall, in the "Sun's" jealousy for Elgar'nan he destroyed all life; prior to that the Sun didn't really care about anything up until Elgar'nan came to be.

 

I can see a figure like the "sun" to want all old life to be destroyed and him reign supreme .... afterall Darkspawn have been seen praying. Maybe the Old God's are parts of this "sun?" afterall, elves/ demons can be chopped up and their body parts sealed in different locations.

 

Since the Sun seems to be surrounded by those black peacock feathers (representing the Taint...Void?) perhaps it's another failsafe to prevent anyone from reaching the Sun? 

 

I think the "Sun" deity is indeed a thing, or at the very least that there's something behind that myth - however I have a suspicion that the Sun might not just be a straightforward elf or something, but more of a massive, powerful being, like Titans... or the Stone, which is likely referred in myths as Earth. Personally I think the Sun and Earth are counterparts and a very long time ago something happened to them... or they did something?

 

In any event - it may be that the Sun destroyed something... or it as well might have been propaganda, since we do know that Evanuris used it, be it negatively  (we see a smear campaign against Fen'Harel and we may have at least a suspicion that Forgotten/Forbidden ones may have been political rivals and enemies) or positively (a hymn to Sylaise and other pieces praising their deeds). So it might simply be that the "Sun" was portrayed in a way that allowed Elgar'nan to justify taking his 'Father's' claim... and ruling over the Earth, which Evanuris claim as their right (errr, is there an Oedipus complex going on?)

 

I mean, it's also entirely possible that the whole war that Solas mentioned might have been something against the "Sun" (or Earth? We do know they fought Titans) - and that the war itself and the Evanuris began with good intentions and overthrew some sort of oppressive order... or it could be something more complicated.

[midnight tea]

It's the all seeing eye I think. The feathers represent eyes.

 

Peacock feathers represent immortality, all seeing knowledge and wisdom (of the heavens).

 

Only it seems that sadly someone or something has had corrupted that wisdom and knowledge, since I wouldn't say that symbolically black and red are very... "benign" colors, especially that in DA deep black and red color oftentimes is associated with the Blight itself.

 

What is interesting though is that even though the feathers are... corrupted, the sun at its core seems to remain intact. Hard to tell what it means though.

 

..."Long have I endured, as the world has endured. Though time has worn the skies, it shall not reduce me, for I am eternity"?
http://dragonage.wik...severance_(bow)

[Sah291]

Only it seems that sadly someone or something has had corrupted that wisdom and knowledge, since I wouldn't say that symbolically black and red are very... "benign" colors, especially that in DA deep black and red color oftentimes is associated with the Blight itself.

 

What is interesting though is that ever though the feathers are... corrupted, the sun at its core seems to remain intact. Hard to tell what it means though.

 

..."Long have I endured, as the world has endured. Though time has worn the skies, it shall not reduce me, for I am eternity"?
http://dragonage.wik...severance_(bow)

 

Well, I think it's just...not necessarily that it is corrupted or evil, but that kind of knowledge has a dual effect, of wisdom and madness. Think of the abyss like a giant mirror. You can use it to see yourself, and to see the light. But you're forced to really see things you don't want to see. The Nightmare demon in Here Lies the Abyss knows all of the character's memories and innermost fears/doubts, and forces them to confront the darker aspects of their subconscious. The Inquisitor skates through of course, because we have plot armor, but I don't think most would be so lucky/able. 

[BansheeOwnage]

It's found in the Vir Dirthara, the area where you fight the librarians.
http://dragonage.wik..._Birds_of_Fancy

Ah, thanks. I was rushing through these when I played and skimming them.

 

"By the gods, find a private chamber!"

 

The "weird water-well-spirit-thing" that you see who comes to "life" to defend the eluvian while Inquisitor and co. are running through.

I'm pretty sure that this was acknowledged to be a mistake at some point, like PW about "missing" Solas dialogue in the "should I drink?" scene, but I'm having a difficult time locating a source for that. >.< (I wouldn't mind a source link for the Solas thing, either, as I neglected to save it previously.)


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OK I found it. It's not really a "mistake," so much as something that wasn't meant to be seen as it was (that is, that she is human instead elf).
Thanks to Avejajed in this thread for pointing out where to search.

 

@Sylvf1

@GeekRemix In other words it was meant to be a generic silhouette. No significance to the ears.

 

So they essentially used a human model as a "generic silhouette." Seems an odd choice for this particular scene, but there ya go.

 

[edit2]

I found the Solas thing as well.

 

@PatrickWeekes

@princebec Yeah. My goof. Nothing more of substance, though. No key plot detail was missing, just flavor.

 

 

In the end, my overall point was that I think that some people can get a bit carried away looking for hints in things when it might be just a mistake, or simply something that should be taken at face value. It's one thing when wild speculation is clearly marked out as being for fun and entertainment purposes, but I have seen people attempt to use those same "clues" to validate whatever argument they're trying to make. I mean this in a general sense, not directed at anyone in this thread (I have one example related to Dorian that I always found odd).

Ah, thanks for finding that. Both of those do seem odd. Why not use an elf model for the well? And I know mistakes happen, but it also seems odd to me that Weekes would forget to give Solas lines there... since he has lines. "No, do not ask again."

 

Speaking of the image of Mythal at the Well of Sorrows - have you guys discussed the "baldness" of the other elves. Solas' baldness has been discussed, but everywhere in DAI, all of the mosaics and frescoes, depict bald elves.

 

Were the ancient elves all bald, including the Mythal?  

 

 I am sure you all have discussed this before, but I am not sure what the general consensus is about it. It would be strange if the Evanuris did return and they were all bald. Does that make hair in general unique for modern elves?

 

Sorry to go a bit off subject. I am just curious. 

It certainly seems common since Solas, Abelas, and the rest of the Sentinel elves are bald. But the mosaic does feature hair, and I'd imagine Mythal's look was similar to Flemeth's if not the same. Here are 4 ideas:

 

1. It's just a coincidence that most of the ancient elves we see are bald.

 

2. It was simply a popular style at the time.

 

3. Elves of specific stations are bald.

 

4. In Star Trek 2009, the romulans shaved their heads because they were in mourning. That exact idea would actually fit Solas and the Sentinel elves perfectly, oddly enough.

 

^^

Sylaise totes has hair.

 

Solas only painted elves other than himself in one fresco, which was the one in the back of his temple that has him taking the elves vallaslin.

 

Spoiler

 

http://nthornborrow....t-cards-i#notes

 

The freed elves on the right seem to have hair. 

I want to know what kind of pride-demon-wolf Solas has slain to wear as a headpiece

[BansheeOwnage]

Clearly the Ardent Blossom belonged to Sylaise.

I really like the Ardent Blossom for some reason

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We know "elves don't grow beards," but similar to Native Americans (and First Nations), I assume that they would have body hair, even if it's fine or sparse.

Well, if it works similarly to real life, elves shouldn't have much body hair if they can't grow beards. But I can't really say it does work like real life, being fantasy and all But, wait, First Nations people don't grow beards? I suppose I never see them with any, but... why didn't I know this?

 

Hmm, according to our favorite and incredibly reliable old hahren Gisharel, Ghilan'nain had hair of snowy-white:

 

They say Ghilan'nain was one of the People, in the days before Arlathan, and the chosen of Andruil the Huntress. She was very beautiful—with hair of snowy white—and as graceful as a gazelle.

http://dragonage.wik...er_of_the_Halla

 

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Although the figure in her mosaic is bald, somehow I think that the figure is not her, rather the halla. So she is a snowy white halla then? XD

I just want to know how the elves know what a gazelle is.

 

^ Uh... are those things in the central circle supposed to be peacock feathers, burritos, mummified corpses, or what?

Actually, there are black-red peacock feathers depicted in the intro for DAO, right when they're talking about opening of the Black City (around 0:53) and returning of magisters as first darkspawn.

 

 

And seeing something that strongly resembles these on the mural in Trespasser I don't think it's a coincidence at all. Therefore I assume these are supposed to be peacock feathers and in fact the whole thing proooobably depics Golden/Black City.

Thanks for the video, I didn't know they were shown there! Or, I forgot really. It does seem like the ones in the video and the ones on the mural are linked. This is what I thought of when I saw them, part of the unreadable elven writing in What Pride Had Wrought.

 

"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar'nan judge him."

 

For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades.

 

So someone shapeshifted into a dragon and is being judged for it. It's possible it was one of the forgotten ones, since they didn't approve of being controlled by the Evanuris. Specifically, The Formless One would fit the description above.

 

It's also possible that the blazing eyes/sun is a depiction of Elgar'nan, since he's supposed to represent the sun. Just throwing out ideas.

 

My personal guess is that it has something to do with the void, which is where the blight/taint came from, since it's just so alien and scary-looking. But the void may also be the Black City, or at least related.

 

Take another look at the mosaic. There are seven "orbs", so it's possible they represent the seven old gods buried underground. The "orbs" would be hollowed out prisons. You can see them on one side of the circular "veil". The "fade" is inside the circle, and the material is outside it. One of Solas' Skyhold paintings features similar representations of these aspects, which is part of why I think this.

 

In the background of the creepy eyes/sun, you can see what look like dark buildings, supporting the idea that this is the Black City. So this mosaic would be depicting Fen'Harel sealing away the Evanuris and Forgotten ones in one fell swoop, as he does in the legends.

 

This could still coincide with my idea that the creepy eyes represent the blight, since we know Solas is terrified of it, seemingly from first-hand experience. We know Andruil experimented with the blight so she could hunt creatures of the Void, so it's possible the rest of the Evanuris got so reckless (possible because of the Titans) that they were going to use the power of the blight to augment themselves. Mythal disagreed, and they struck her down. This would explain Solas' "They would have destroyed the world" business. Solas sealed away the blight and/or blighted Evanuris into the city.

 

Hopefully that mess of incoherence made some sense

 

Oh, one more thing. It's interesting to note that the "sun" featured here is very similar to the Chantry's symbol, which I now see in a much creepier light

Spoiler

And oh, hey look! More creepy eyes

The "Maker" may not be what the Chantry believes...

 

Edit: I've already been ninja'd

[BansheeOwnage]

It's also reminiscent of the the nightmare demon/spider, that we encounter in Here Lies the Abyss, which also had many eyes...and was the thing that chased the Inquisitor in the beginning of the game, before being saved by the Divine Justinia spirit. 

 

Could it be that the Magisters were driven mad by demons like that when they entered the fade physically? They saw something like that, maybe, and the taint that they brought back with them.

Or what if the Sidereal Magisters encountered The Blight, Personified (for lack of a better term) in the Black City, and the Nightmare is actually (knowingly or not) copying its look from what the Magisters saw? It would also make sense that they wouldn't remember The Blight, Personified since the Nightmare steals people's fears and memories. Or maybe that's what you were trying to say and I didn't get it This would make sense, since it got so powerful from fear of The Blight. And spiders, apparently, since so many people are afraid of them?

[Sah291]

Or what if the Sidereal Magisters encountered The Blight, Personified (for lack of a better term) in the Black City, and the Nightmare is actually (knowingly or not) copying its look from what the Magisters saw? It would also make sense that they wouldn't remember The Blight, Personified since the Nightmare steals people's fears and memories. Or maybe that's what you were trying to say and I didn't get it This would make sense, since it got so powerful from fear of The Blight. And spiders, apparently, since so many people are afraid of them?

 

Yeah... it depends what the blight is supposed to be.. but if the Nightmare demon had grown and fed off of people's collective fears from the blight, maybe the blight comes from people's collective anger and negative emotions too, or something like that. Cole says how it's "angry". 

[Patricia08]

Then they should drop their stupid "New PC every game" rule and just have DA4 have the Inquisitor as the protagonist to finish the Solas story, then DA5 can have a new person again. 

 

I can go with that as well ( and i hope they do ) i said in earlier topics that it didn't matter to me if they would put in a new PC. But i changed my mind about that i would really like to see that my Inquisitor is coming back in the next DA 4 game. And if that would happen then i would like my arm back because as someone else here said i cannot dual wield daggers or hold a shield and sword with only one arm. So i would like to see that Dagna or someone else would reattach my arm. And the reason that i changed my mind is because after what i have red here in this topic is that i would really love to see how it all ends with me the Inquisitor and Solas and the Solas story. But not just with Solas but also with Solas and the rest of my Companions ( there is just so much history together ) and with my Companions and me the Inquisitor or that they would do something like a dual PC that could be an option as well that i could go for.  

[BansheeOwnage]

For some reason, there were so many posts, it took me ages to catch up. Now that I have, it's so slooooow!

Yeah... it depends what the blight is supposed to be.. but if the Nightmare demon had grown and fed off of people's collective fears from the blight, maybe the blight comes from people's collective anger and negative emotions too, or something like that. Cole says how it's "angry". 

The Blight could turn out to be something like that. It's an interesting possibility. We'll just have to wait and see! That kind of reminds me of a Star Trek: TNG episode, where the crew runs into a creature that is the amalgamation of a species' collective negative emotions, that they shed. So the creature is sort of like the blight that way.

 

 

I can go with that as well ( and i hope they do ) i said in earlier topics that it didn't matter to me if they would put in a new PC. But i changed my mind about that i would really like to see that my Inquisitor is coming back in the next DA 4 game. And if that would happen then i would like my arm back because as someone else here said i cannot dual wield daggers or hold a shield and sword with only one arm. So i would like to see that Dagna or someone else would reattach my arm. And the reason that i changed my mind is because after what i have red here in this topic is that i would really love to see how it all ends with me the Inquisitor and Solas and the Solas story. But not just with Solas but also with Solas and the rest of my Companions ( there is just so much history together ) and with my Companions and me the Inquisitor or that they would do something like a dual PC that could be an option as well that i could go for.  

We don't need our arm reattached (and I think it's been disintegrated anyway). Prosthetics even in real life have let warriors keep fighting, so prosthetics that Dagna or Bianca could make would let you keep fighting no problem at all. Another possibility, and hopefully another option ingame, is to simply have a weapon attached to your arm instead of a hand. You could attach a bow to the end of your arm, since Quizzy's firing hand is still intact. You could easily attach a blade to the end for a second dagger, similar to the Red Templar Shadows. And you could also attach a shield/buckler. Or the grapple/crossbow attachment. Another option still for a mage would be a spirit-hand, similar to the spirit blade.

 

There are so many new gameplay possibilities! You know, if they bother to take advantage of them.

[In Exile]

I think the "Sun" deity is indeed a thing, or at the very least that there's something behind that myth - however I have a suspicion that the Sun might not just be a straightforward elf or something, but more of a massive, powerful being, like Titans... or the Stone, which is likely referred in myths as Earth. Personally I think the Sun and Earth are counterparts and a very long time ago something happened to them... or they did something?

 

In any event - it may be that the Sun destroyed something... or it as well might have been propaganda, since we do know that Evanuris used it, be it negatively  (we see a smear campaign against Fen'Harel and we may have at least a suspicion that Forgotten/Forbidden ones may have been political rivals and enemies) or positively (a hymn to Sylaise and other pieces praising their deeds). So it might simply be that the "Sun" was portrayed in a way that allowed Elgar'nan to justify taking his 'Father's' claim... and ruling over the Earth, which Evanuris claim as their right (errr, is there an Oedipus complex going on?)

 

I mean, it's also entirely possible that the whole war that Solas mentioned might have been something against the "Sun" (or Earth? We do know they fought Titans) - and that the war itself and the Evanuris began with good intentions and overthrew some sort of oppressive order... or it could be something more complicated.

 

Ancient dragons - the kind Yavanna mentioned. It's all metaphor, but it's dragons. The "Earth" are Titans - actual living beings, if massive. Would make sense for the other celestial body to really be a physical thing, and a force of nature too. Capturing it is tied to the Evanuris acquiring the form as part of their shapeshifting magic. 

[Xerrai]

Yeah... it depends what the blight is supposed to be.. but if the Nightmare demon had grown and fed off of people's collective fears from the blight, maybe the blight comes from people's collective anger and negative emotions too, or something like that. Cole says how it's "angry". 

Well if we go by spirit rules, then the blight could literally be "corrupted" (demonized) magic. A magic that is unable to perform its purpose in this world, so it has twisted and corrupted into something of a darker nature.

 

But in all honesty, the identification of what the blight "is" is one of the things I am most uncertain about.

 

The taint seemed to be a thing in even ancient elvhenan (if mad Andruil and the deep roads codex entries are any indication), but the only time we know of actual blights happening is when the taint reaches the old gods, and that has only seems to happen after the fall of Arlathan. Or at least, as far as we know. Depending on what the "Old Gods" actually are, they very well may have happened--or could have happened--in Elvhenan as well.

 

As much as I would like for the blight to be anything but the "naturally born evil" of the world, we currently do not have much of anything regarding the identity of the taint/blight.

[Seraphim24]

Solas and everything about him/lore is so cheesy it should probably have to be approved by the FDA.

[BansheeOwnage]

Well if we go by spirit rules, then the blight could literally be "corrupted" (demonized) magic. A magic that is unable to perform its purpose in this world, so it has twisted and corrupted into something of a darker nature.

 

But in all honesty, the identification of what the blight "is" is one of the things I am most uncertain about.

 

The taint seemed to be a thing in even ancient elvhenan (if mad Andruil and the deep roads codex entries are any indication), but the only time we know of actual blights happening is when the taint reaches the old gods, and that has only seems to happen after the fall of Arlathan. Or at least, as far as we know. Depending on what the "Old Gods" actually are, they very well may have happened--or could have happened--in Elvhenan as well.

 

As much as I would like for the blight to be anything but the "naturally born evil" of the world, we currently do not have much of anything regarding the identity of the taint/blight.

Well, there is the idea that it's some sort of bioweapon, possibly created by the Evanuris to kill the Titans.

[Brass_Buckles]

Okay, let me try this.

 

In real life, I would never, ever want someone who would do something like Solas is planning.

 

I've repeatedly said and will continue to repeat: Solas's intention is not genocide.  He wants to fix the world; his actions are not intended to kill the people currently in the world.  Genocide is an act of intentional ethnic or racial elimination.  In this case, the mass death is a side effect, not the intention.  So it's not actually genocide, it's more like massive collateral damage--which he isn't 100% sure will happen, but he's assuming the worst.  Given how his plans usually seem to go, he's probably right.  Semantics aside, it's not good; although his end intentions may be good, the ends most likely do not justify the means.  And yeah, the fact that he intends to go do what he's doing anyway no matter how much he supposedly loves the Inquisitor (as a lover or a friend or whatever) is precisely why I would NOT want someone like him in real life.  The scary thing is that it isn't even that he doesn't care, because he does care--he makes that clear.  So for some reason this horrible goal of his is more important than anything else to him.  We don't know why, but it's not because he just wants everyone else to die.  (Unless you've been that nasty to him.  Then maybe he does, I dunno.)

 

I don't think it's going to be possible to change his mind, even though my lovestruck Lavellan wants to try.  I think, because of Plot, he'll succeed.

 

That said:

 

Solas is intelligent.  If you make reasoned decisions, he likes you.  If you disagree with him but can support your position, he'll like you.  He is quiet and unassuming with a surprising passionate side (best kiss scenes I have seen in a Bioware game).  He is kind and compassionate--he is not lying about what he approves of, and he approves when you help people.  On the physical side of things, he also has a gentle voice and lyrical word choice (he speaks to the tune of the song "Hallelujah" actually), an attractive build, and great lips.  Some people also like that he's powerful.  That's not a thing for me... the ability to turn me to stone with a thought is a threat, not a turn-on.  One bad lover's quarrel, and suddenly, you're a statue...

 

But he tells you up front he doesn't buy into the idea of good and evil.  If not for his deadly plan, it would be easy to see Solas as "one of the good guys."  After all, he joins the Inquisition at risk to himself, because the Breach is a threat (which suggests that the Breach's results are even worse than whatever he plans).  He likes helping people, whether flesh or spirit (or both).  There's even dialogue with Iron Bull where he asserts he doesn't enjoy combat--unless it's personal.  (Cue a lot of fans who are more hardcore pro-Solas than I am imagining how personally he'd take it if someone harmed/killed a romanced Inquisitor Lavellan before his plan had a chance to do so...)

 

For some people there's a thrill in trying to change him.  For many it's just that they remember how great the romance was and were sure it was something minor keeping Solas from committing... and now that they know they still don't want to give up on him.

 

If I were in the Inquisitor's shoes, I probably would've fallen for him.  But, I'm not sure how I'd have reacted post-Trespasser.  He clearly doesn't want to cause the harm his plan is going to put into motion.  So, there's hope he will stop on his own, even at the last minute.  But to be told by someone you love that you are going to die horribly with all the rest?  That's awful.  It's horrifying.  And I can't feel sorry for Solas's pain about confessing this.  I'm not a violent person.  The Inquisitor, on the other hand, deals death like it's Halloween candy.  So in the Inquisitor's shoes, I am not sure whether I'd be more "me," or whether I'd just declare my intention to kill him.  You don't get a lot of time to think it over, really--realistically you wouldn't be standing there for an hour or more, and there would be no do-overs or reloads if you realized later you should have made a different choice.

 

It's probably safe to say that a lot of people like Solas for who he is, even as they simultaneously hate what he's planning.  He wasn't lying about who he is, personalitywise.  He lied about who people think he is (Fen'harel is a title), and he omitted a high amount of relevant information, but he is, personality-wise, the person that Lavellan romanced.  That wasn't a lie, and his affection is not a lie.  It's not necessarily out of pride that he's working toward the goals he's working toward.  We don't know the whole story, or why the People need him so badly.

 

I have mixed feelings about Solas, but that just tells me he's a great character.  As far as characters go, he's amazing.  As far as people go... he's confusing,  Again, he's almost a good person.  And yet, he has plans that will result in catastrophic amounts of death and destruction, and knows it, and intends to do what he's doing anyway.  Even though he hates the idea of people suffering and dying, whether they are "lesser" than the Elvhen to him or not (depends if you friended/romanced him or not how he sees modern Thedosians).

 

One interesting thing about Solas is that he starts painting your history on the walls from the moment you get to Skyhold.  I believe that's the point he begins to respect the Inquisitor and see him/her as valuable enough that your history should be preserved.  He expects you to be long gone after he succeeds at his plan, and he wants to remember the Inquisitor--and wants others to remember the Inquisitor, too.  Notice that every single mural he painted seems to have been of some event or thought that he wanted to record for posterity, even if it were only propaganda.  Painting your history on his old Keep is very intentional and very pointed.  In light of this, it's both endearing that he wants you remembered (even if he hates you, he values you), and horrifying that he was already planning your demise no matter how close you got--even if your demise is the indirect rather than direct result of his actions.

 

So... I love the character for his complexity and the potential he has for doing good in the end/doing an awesome redemption arc at some point.  But if he were a real person I'd be running the other way very fast.  And then calling the authorities.

[Secret Rare]

 

 

I've repeatedly said and will continue to repeat: Solas's intention is not genocide.  He wants to fix the world; his actions are not intended to kill the people currently in the world.  Genocide is an act of intentional ethnic or racial elimination.  In this case, the mass death is a side effect, not the intention.

Oh look how we handle the genocide with technicalities!

Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people,so does it really matter  if it will likely happen as  consequence?

A consequence of whom Solas is already aware and despite it want to fulfill his plan.

So yes for my perspective is a genocide since he wish to perform a plan while perfectly aware of its possible repercussions.

[Almostfaceman]

Oh look how we handle the genocide with technicalities!

 

Technically, words are technicalities. For example, we have one word for apple and another word for orange. It's because they're not the same thing. 

 

[Secret Rare]

 

Technically, words are technicalities. For example, we have one word for apple and another word for orange. It's because they're not the same thing. 

 

Why i have the impression that these has nothing to do with my post?

Apples are good,Oranges are good ok!