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[Lulupab]

Tevinter would have designs on their former territories in the south in a general sense, but during the Exalted Marches they would have been the defending party. I'm pretty sure the outcome of the Exalted Marches are described as "falling just short of conquering Minrathous" so I'd say they would have won the war in that "Defensive Stalemate = victory" sort of way. 

 

Yeah, after double checking WoT, it says Chantry armies "advanced well into Imperial land" but also that in the end the wars "did little but solidify the divide."

 

World of Thedas says both Orlais and Tevinter were able to fend of the darkspawn attacks pretty easily in the Fourth Blight. It was the smaller powers that suffered the worst.

 

I have a hard time imagining that the Blights that lasted barely over a decade as being anywhere near as devastating as the ones that lasted almost a century or two, though.

 

The main front of fourth blight was Antiva and Free Marches, the other fronts were not bulk of the horde. So Tevinter and Orlais dealt with the attacks easily but Antiva City literally fell and Free Marches became a crumbling ruin. So many darkspawn were killed in that blight that people thought the darkspawn went extinct, so yes it was a very devastating blight. It completely crippled two nations for decades.

 

Also I found something interesting when I read stuff again, Tevinter actually took in mages who escaped from the south after the first exalted march. It was pretty much the only time Tevinter did such a thing. It was an attempt to get back to its full strength faster so it took in the refugee mages with no strings attached.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's worth noting that Antiva has no standing national army, it's not a surprise that it would have been overrun by darkspawn.

 

And also I was comparing the Fourth Blight to the First Blight, where people thought the world was coming to an end and the dwarves were driven to the brink of extinction. There was only four blights at the time so to be "one of the most devastating blights in history" I think it would have to be roughly that bad.

[German Soldier]

I been struggling to understand how Mages were able to go to war against guys that simply nullify their magic.

 

In a 1v1 how exactly would mage fight against a templar because it seems to me that the Templar would easily win every single time.

 

 

realised the typo in the title XD

 

"So How exactly do Mages fight Templars?"

Templars hunt mages in group to minimize the dangers.

[fhs33721]

Templars hunt mages in group to minimize the dangers.

Are we sure about that. Because various occurences in DAO and DA2 led me to believe that the normal modus operandi for the templar order is to send one dude, who then dies or gets captured without accomplishing his mission.

[Lulupab]

It's worth noting that Antiva has no standing national army, it's not a surprise that it would have been overrun by darkspawn.

 

And also I was comparing the Fourth Blight to the First Blight, where people thought the world was coming to an end and the dwarves were driven to the brink of extinction. There was only four blights at the time so to be "one of the most devastating blights in history" I think it would have to be roughly that bad.

 

No standing army, but it has quite a bit of soldiers, mercenaries and pirates, all of which know how to fight and participated in the battles. Antiva has been able to defend itself in the past and it did put up a good fight, and there was enough time for wardens to gather there. But it was simply not enough and the walls of Antiva city was breached and the city fell.

 

The thing is first blight almost lasted for 200 years because Grey Wardens were not "invented" yet, Forth blight lasted few years, but the devastation it caused was more significant that first few years of first blight. They literally had to rebuild the free marches from dust.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It still lasted over a century even after the Grey Wardens were invented. What's your source for any of the other things you mentioned? 

[Lulupab]

It still lasted over a century even after the Grey Wardens were invented. What's your source for any of the other things you mentioned? 

 

Well after the first wardens came to be, the wardens still didn't have anything. No Fortresses, nor armies and no Griffins. So it took quite a bit to defeat a blight that has been getting bigger and bigger. I think the fact that most of the world was united under Tevinter helped to endure as much as possible. With no central power, the first blight would have ended Thedas.

 

I don't know which other things you mean. But whatever I said is either from The Last Flight novel or WoT.

[Solace]

That is a pretty darn good point OP. I have never thought about that. from what I can deduce from playing the game, I notice that in almost every fight there are a few mercenaries with them, so I assume that a good portion of the mage forces are mercenary soldiers, which still doesn't make sense. Without the support of the circle, that also has the support of the standing government, how are the mages paying these mercs without a steady flow of income to pay the troops?

 

As we see from the story, the inquisition isn't even capable of waging war, without the backing of the nobles, the templar/mages that join it.

[fhs33721]

That is a pretty darn good point OP. I have never thought about that. from what I can deduce from playing the game, I notice that in almost every fight there are a few mercenaries with them, so I assume that a good portion of the mage forces are mercenary soldiers, which still doesn't make sense. Without the support of the circle, that also has the support of the standing government, how are the mages paying these mercs without a steady flow of income to pay the troops?

 

As we see from the story, the inquisition isn't even capable of waging war, without the backing of the nobles, the templar/mages that join it.

It's only the renegade mage bandits in the hinterlands that seem to use mercenaries. They probably pay them with whatever gold and valuables they steal from the residents of the hinterlands they terrorize.

[Treacherous J Slither]

While going through this thread I had a thought about what I would do if I were King Alistair and I had hundreds of mages seeking refuge in my lands.

CAPITALIZE

I would tell them that I have their back and that I would do everything in my power to keep them safe. I'd spread the word that Fereldan is a safe haven for mages. I'd encourage all countries to send me their unwanted mages.

I'd set up schools all over the country where these mages can learn to grow their power and control it. Except for some mandatory schooling, mage citizens would be treated no differently from mundane citizens. Enlistment in the military would be strongly encouraged for all citizens. Especially in the field of research and development. I'd also have a Templar like mage police force that dealt with the inevitable demon or abomination. Also I would encourage magical knowledge to be spread among the people so that everyone can get involved and more ideas can be generated like what happened with Dagna. No school of magic would be forbidden either.

I would make more magical progress in 10 years than any Circle has in centuries.

In time Fereldan would become the richest most powerful country in Thedas.







Just a thought.

[thesuperdarkone2]

While going through this thread I had a thought about what I would do if I were King Alistair and I had hundreds of mages seeking refuge in my lands.

CAPITALIZE

I would tell them that I have their back and that I would do everything in my power to keep them safe. I'd spread the word that Fereldan is a safe haven for mages. I'd encourage all countries to send me their unwanted mages.

I'd set up schools all over the country where these mages can learn to grow their power and control it. Except for some mandatory schooling, mage citizens would be treated no differently from mundane citizens. Enlistment in the military would be strongly encouraged for all citizens. Especially in the field of research and development. I'd also have a Templar like mage police force that dealt with the inevitable demon or abomination. Also I would encourage magical knowledge to be spread among the people so that everyone can get involved and more ideas can be generated like what happened with Dagna. No school of magic would be forbidden either.

I would make more magical progress in 10 years than any Circle has in centuries.

In time Fereldan would become the richest most powerful country in Thedas.







Just a thought.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is Anora's reason for granting sanctuary for the mages

[Treacherous J Slither]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is Anora's reason for granting sanctuary for the mages

Doubtful.

If so Fiona would have never sold her people into slavery.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Doubtful.

If so Fiona would have never sold her people into slavery.

Is Anora really the type to do things just to be nice?

[Nixou]

Pretty sure most combat mages could burn regular foes alive without trouble

 

 

Most mages aren't trained fighters. the playable mages are the exception: they either have decades of experience (Wynne, Solas), belong to the minority who trained for war (Vivienne, Anders -Thanks to, you know, the player-controller Warden Commander-, Son-of-a-Lord-from-an-assassination-prone-court Dorian), or simply are freaks of nature whose enormous raw power (and thick plot-armor) make up for lack of experience (Mage PCs).

 

So yeah, your Mage Warden or Mage Inquisitor can run half naked against an whole company of trained men-at-arms and leave a pile of scorched corpses behind, but most mages will either panic and be killed, fail to produce spells powerful enough to slay even one attacker and be killed, run out of mana and be killed, or turn to blood magic in desperation, run out of blood, and get killed.

 

If anything, the games and side stories imply that the Templars are massive hypocrites about this: focusing their ire and bullying on the weaker mages while allowing the tiny minority which can punch harder than them to do whatever it wants.

[The Ascendant]

I think the best example of Mages fighting Templars was seen in the Second Battle of Kirkwall when Meredith and Orsino officially began fighting. You see mages flinging spells left and right, templars cutting them down and blocking their magic and of course demons running wild thanks to the Veil being torn with so much magic and death occurring. 

[Lulupab]

I think the best example of Mages fighting Templars was seen in the Second Battle of Kirkwall when Meredith and Orsino officially began fighting. You see mages flinging spells left and right, templars cutting them down and blocking their magic and of course demons running wild thanks to the Veil being torn with so much magic and death occurring. 

 

Even then Meredith needs a lot more Templars, Orsino and the mages clear the gallows from any Templar presence, with the last Templar thrown to Meredith's feet when she arrives with reinforcements. There are not much details here, but it seems like a logical conclusion. Templars always send it for reinforcements when they want to invoke right of annulment as well. I think there is no battle in history of Thedas that Templars were able to win versus mages without reinforcements. At least after thinking for a while I cannot remember any.

 

This also explains how every single circle successfully rebelled and mages got out, with all of them happening at once they couldn't send reinforcements. Only Dairsmuid failed to rebel, which according to codex in DA:I Seekers arrived to help Templars, even then the codex clearly mentions Templars and Seekers suffered very heavy losses. 

 

Most mages in circles are civilians types not ready for a fight, in opposed to Templars all being veterans. However there are mages who are more than prepared to fight, with this few leading the mages, I think they can fight the Templars and then some.

[Daerog]

While I do believe it was inevitable that the mages would lose the MvT war, I think a lot of that is due to the breakdown and desertion of the mage rebellion. Leading figures, like Rhys, just up and left. Fiona never lead a battle or war before, so she likely didn't think things through like supplies and such... things necessary outside battle.

Still, Templars have a better chance than regular mundanes, and experienced Templars can take out Vint assassins... even after the initial surprise, Mae's rivals are reluctant to try again.