The templars were presumably uninterested in wrecking the Circles for the lulz, so only the occasional bandit made off with any books, which is taken care of by the Inquisitor.
you can't believe that those three tomes you pick up are indicative of all the books looted from the abandoned circles?
you can't believe that those three tomes you pick up are indicative of all the books looted from the abandoned circles?
I think it's representative, much like how I believe you can't traverse the entire breadth of the Hinterlands in ten minutes and that Corypheus' army invading the Arbor Wilds probably consists of more than fifty people.
@Xilizhra: You mean the magic-phobic Templars who just hate hate HATE magic and are terrified of it because they're super ignorant... didn't burn all the magic in the towers?
Bioware... you're terrible at this kind of stuff.
Move over... I'll show you how to run a fascist theocracy....
@Xilizhra: You mean the magic-phobic Templars who just hate hate HATE magic and are terrified of it because they're super ignorant... didn't burn all the magic in the towers?
Bioware... you're terrible at this kind of stuff.
Move over... I'll show you how to run a fascist theocracy....
Funny, I thought the entire point of the templar plot in Inquisition was to show them in a better light than in 2. But no, the templars are probably the mundanes least ignorant about magic, and if they won, they'd want to keep the infrastructure intact enough to ensure an orderly transition once the rebellion was crushed.
@Xilizhra: I'd say Dagna is the least ignorant - especially since she knows more about magic than any mage we've met - but I get your meaning.
As for 'orderly' - I hear Tranquility is really good for that.
Funny thing about magic... there's always more mages being born to fill the Circles with a fresh new start.
As for the magic... why the Templars ever allowed books to just be sitting out for mages to study is beyond me. Those things should have under strict control and every mage's abilities should have been logged down and those with combat magic should have been watched more closely.
Then... when they rebelled... they should have taken the Loyalist mages that remained and killed all the violent ones through their phylacteries.
Oh... wait... we just totally ignored phylacteries during the rebellion because the Templars evidently wanted to challenge themselves by not using them.
They need trebuchets that fire diseased cows... and patience while the mages run out of whatever food they dragged from their towers and turn into demons in desperation and eat each other alive.
Heh.
I think it's representative, much like how I believe you can't traverse the entire breadth of the Hinterlands in ten minutes and that Corypheus' army invading the Arbor Wilds probably consists of more than fifty people.
but a good amount of it is was likely burned, sold, absconded with in some way. I doubt we've recovered even 1/3 of the pre rebellion material
but a good amount of it is was likely burned, sold, absconded with in some way. I doubt we've recovered even 1/3 of the pre rebellion material
And this is based on... what?
And this is based on... what?
The same thing your representative viewpoint is?
Seems people forgot the sellswords the mages fight with
Seems people forgot the sellswords the mages fight with
That logic is iffy, we have a general estimate of how many Templars there are roughly-Several thousand at least.
However there is never a given indicator of just how many mercs the mages got to help them in the Hinterlands, if they had them during actual combat(in which case they were of little to no help) and in perhaps the most crucial venue. When this relation actually began, and if they hired local or brought them along.
The same thing your representative viewpoint is?
I disagree... Steelcan has real world history on his side as an example of how groups like this react in wartime.
@superdarkone: mercenary groups are a HORRIBLE military. Just play Crusader Kings 2 and run out of money... 
Let's forget that there's no way they could have paid these mercenaries and Bioware had to put them in just so the mages wouldn't get steamrolled in combat.
I disagree... Steelcan has real world history on his side as an example of how groups like this react in wartime.
@superdarkone: mercenary groups are a HORRIBLE military. Just play Crusader Kings 2 and run out of money...
Let's forget that there's no way they could have paid these mercenaries and Bioware had to put them in just so the mages wouldn't get steamrolled in combat.
o.o I have real world history on my side most of the time.
Especially when I get into more modern stuff. Like the effectiveness of mauser cartridges.
And this is based on... what?
well the fact that there are so many Circles the Inquisition never reaches even after the rebellion is put down/joins the Inquisition. Furthermore its logical to assume that many of them were carted off and sold and it'd be a herculean task to track them all back down. It's even more unlikely that bandits ended up with most of them
o.o I have real world history on my side most of the time.
Especially when I get into more modern stuff. Like the effectiveness of mauser cartridges.
yeah but I rule the day when it comes to Ancient/Medieval
and assuming Aimi doesn't pop her head into a thread >.>
yeah but I rule the day when it comes to Ancient/Medieval
and assuming Aimi doesn't pop her head into a thread >.>
We have had several very constructive talks over the years, especially on subjects such as World War One, Two, Vietnam and the Gulf. It's very refreshing to run into someone who can actually throw down when it comes to Great War German Generals, everyone knows at least three from Two, but One? Heh, I have only ran into like three people who knew who Von Kluck was. And I am like...only the man who came within inches of crushing the French army at Marne and ending the war right then and there in 1914.
Small point: Andraste didn't get anywhere near taking Minrathous. Contrary to the propaganda in the Chant of Light, she hadn't reached the gates of Minrathous with her army when she was taken; she was in Nevarra and only ever went to Minrathous under armed guard. Then Hessarian suddenly decided to convert to the Maker, with the support of the downtrodden Soporati, some ten years later because it was a convenient way of getting rid of his political opponents in one fell swoop. The Valarian Fields might be shown on the modern map as sitting just outside Minrathous but the site of the battle would have been much further south, probably not far from the stronghold in Nevarra where she was captured. There were strong hints that the history didn't match the rhetoric in the game but it was outlined clearly in World of Thedas 2.
Small point: Andraste didn't get anywhere near taking Minrathous.
According to the inaccurate volume II WOT, not the much more concise and not garbage volume I.
o.o I have real world history on my side most of the time.
Especially when I get into more modern stuff. Like the effectiveness of mauser cartridges.
Never said you didn't... (though we'll always disagree on the viability of the Frostback Mountains I think).
I was disagreeing that Steelcan was using the same level of reasoning on this topic as Xilizhra. I think her(?) love of mages kinda clouds what I (and evidently you and Steelcan) think really would have happened to the abandoned Circles.
Never said you didn't... (though we'll always disagree on the viability of the Frostback Mountains I think).
I was disagreeing that Steelcan was using the same level of reasoning on this topic as Xilizhra. I think her(?) love of mages kinda clouds what I (and evidently you and Steelcan) think really would have happened to the abandoned Circles.
I been struggling to understand how Mages were able to go to war against guys that simply nullify their magic.
In a 1v1 how exactly would mage fight against a templar because it seems to me that the Templar would easily win every single time.
realised the typo in the title XD
"So How exactly do Mages fight Templars?"
Not necessarily. I'm not sure exactly if Templars could sense that a Mage was present. So if the mage was hiding or acting like a mundane, then it perhaps would not be hard to surprise a Templar. Or, if you have a group of mages, it might be able to overpower a Templar. It's also possible that a mage might be able to overpower a Templar if they have stronger willpower? i.e if a mage as strong as the Warden, Hawke, or Inquisitor might overpower a neophyte Templar.
Never said you didn't... (though we'll always disagree on the viability of the Frostback Mountains I think).
I was disagreeing that Steelcan was using the same level of reasoning on this topic as Xilizhra. I think her(?) love of mages kinda clouds what I (and evidently you and Steelcan) think really would have happened to the abandoned Circles.
Her, yes. And that's funny, because I thought I was actually going to bat for the templars for a change.
@Xilizhra: Yes, you were trying to say that the Templars were probably more reasonable... I'm saying they're not.
Regardless of how I view the mages... I'm not Pro-Templar. I think both sides are very wrong.. and like two very wrong sides (even two very right sides during wartime) - they often do very destructive, short-sighted things in the name of dehumanizing "other".
This wasn't a templar order interested in simply corralling mages again... I feel this was a templar order seeking to maximize the damage on all fronts to mages and magic after Adrian tricks the Circles and Cole murders Lambert (justified or no).
Everything they've lived for is being torn down - I don't imagine them acting rationally at all.
NOTE: I do think there's a sincere level of demoralizing strategy in openly destroying the repositories of magic that were the Circles. Mages would be acutely aware of all they are losing for their freedom... and not a small amount, I believe, would regret that and doubt their decision.
NOTE 2: This is a pretend war... with sides we cannot really know anything about because they cannot be researched... or studied in any sufficient way. So at the end of the day... I have no real commitment to being "right" - I just think real history errs on the side of wanton destruction during wartime.
@Xilizhra: Yes, you were trying to say that the Templars were probably more reasonable... I'm saying they're not.
Regardless of how I view the mages... I'm not Pro-Templar. I think both sides are very wrong.. and like two very wrong sides (even two very right sides during wartime) - they often do very destructive, short-sighted things in the name of dehumanizing "other".
This wasn't a templar order interested in simply corralling mages again... I feel this was a templar order seeking to maximize the damage on all fronts to mages and magic after Adrian tricks the Circles and Cole murders Lambert (justified or no).
Everything they've lived for is being torn down - I don't imagine them acting rationally at all.
NOTE: I do think there's a sincere level of demoralizing strategy in openly destroying the repositories of magic that were the Circles. Mages would be acutely aware of all they are losing for their freedom... and not a small amount, I believe, would regret that and doubt their decision.
NOTE 2: This is a pretend war... with sides we cannot really know anything about because they cannot be researched... or studied in any sufficient way. So at the end of the day... I have no real commitment to being "right" - I just think real history errs on the side of wanton destruction during wartime.
Well, given that we have no evidence whatsoever of the templars doing this, with Vivienne especially having been likely to mention it if it did happen, I think it's safe to say that it did not in fact happen, or at least we have no reason to think it did.
No, Andraste had reached near the gates of Minrathous. That's still where the Valerian Fields are. But she was Nevarra when she was captured. The fact that she was captured there is not new information. World of Thedas 1 also says she was traveling to her stronghold there after the battle.
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