@Xilizhra: You mean the magic-phobic Templars who just hate hate HATE magic and are terrified of it because they're super ignorant... didn't burn all the magic in the towers?
Bioware... you're terrible at this kind of stuff.
Move over... I'll show you how to run a fascist theocracy....
It probably comes down to a test of wills in the end.
Unless a Templar is focused entirely on denying magic that the mage they are facing is trying to summon, any slip in concentration from the Templar can allow the mage the opening with which they can exploit and attack with.
Furthermore, mage abilities are reliant on mana, which replenishes naturally (albeit slowly) over time, although they do often use lyrium potions to augment their power or speed up mana recovery. Templars on the other hand can only count of lyrium to maintain their abilities and need to chug pints of it constantly to keep their anti-magic at full strength.
The point being that if a mage was able to out of range of both weapons and Templar abilities, as well as hold back enough power in reserve during a sustained fight, then they would eventually be able to overpower them through sheer attrition. That's probably the reason why Templars seem to be trained so that dispelling magic is always their opening movie, seeking to end the battle before it begins, because their odds go down if it turns into a lengthy engagement.
...I hate taking medicine...So booze is the next best thing.It probably comes down to a test of wills in the end.
Unless a Templar is focused entirely on denying magic that the mage they are facing is trying to summon, any slip in concentration from the Templar can allow the mage the opening with which they can exploit and attack with.
Furthermore, mage abilities are reliant on mana, which replenishes naturally (albeit slowly) over time, although they do often use lyrium potions to augment their power or speed up mana recovery. Templars on the other hand can only count of lyrium to maintain their abilities and need to chug pints of it constantly to keep their anti-magic at full strength.
The point being that if a mage was able to out of range of both weapons and Templar abilities, as well as hold back enough power in reserve during a sustained fight, then they would eventually be able to overpower them through sheer attrition. That's probably the reason why Templars seem to be trained so that dispelling magic is always their opening movie, seeking to end the battle before it begins, because their odds go down if it turns into a lengthy engagement.
Well I do think my Templar Warden would destroy my Inquistor & Hawke in an instant, as their both mages...
Loool my Reaver + Berserker Warden also drank Avernus potion, combined with darkspawn taint - so he is physically the strongest and fastest humanoid in either game so far and he just gets stronger the more you wound him = he would wreck Hawke and the Inquisitor me thinks.
darkspawn taint
Your into that sort of thing huh?
Well, if the Templars outnumber the mages "one-hundred to one" (which I find a bit high) then one mage should be > one Templar, otherwise the war would be even less of a war than it was.
Well, if the Templars outnumber the mages "one-hundred to one" (which I find a bit high) then one mage should be > one Templar, otherwise the war would be even less of a war than it was.
There are probably close to 10,000 Templars at the least as the Orlesian chapter housed several thousand, Kirkwall was the largest chapter outside of Orlais and it housed a couple thousand, etc, etc, overall you probably have to 8-12 thousand templars in White Thedas.
._. If not more, they probably outnumber the mages.
But not to like one hundred to one odds, I doubt that, probably around twenty to one.
Quick answer? They don't.
They were losing the war horribly, the only reason they managed to survive in all actuality was because Fereldan took them in and despite the Templars themselves being a professional army, they didn't have the numbers or backing to invade a sovereign nation. So things devolved into a stalemate, but in truth? The state of Thedas will tell you all you need to know about this.
They were decimated across its bounds, in a constant stream of retreats and ambushes from Rivain to Orlais itself, by the end of the engagement pre Conclave? The Mage Rebellion, which had effectively been more or less begun by all circles, was effectively restricted to two areas of operation, Fereldan's Redcliffe and Fereldan's Northern Forests near Amaranthine, a rebellion of thousands, now a rebellion of hundreds.
I just wish we got to see the slaughter personally, I mean seriously, the Mages were asking for this war for a decade and they finally got it.
Best answer I've seen. Even the Tevinter couldn't stand against experienced Templar soldiers and they're some of the world's most powerful mages. That as most know was shown in the world map quests.
They're douchebags, a lot of them anyway, but man if they don't make mage killing an artform. I'd have loved to see that myself, you have to admire the discipline necessary to make a force capable of countering what is the most destructive force in this series.
Best answer I've seen. Even the Tevinter couldn't stand against experienced Templar soldiers and they're some of the world's most powerful mages. That as most know was shown in the world map quests.
When attacking from complete surprise, yes. If they were that unbeatable period, Hawke couldn't have won on the mage ending... unless you're saying that the the magisters of Tevinter are weaker than Hawke, Merrill and Anders.
When attacking from complete surprise, yes. If they were that unbeatable period, Hawke couldn't have won on the mage ending... unless you're saying that the the magisters of Tevinter are weaker than Hawke, Merrill and Anders.
Hawke is the champion, after all, and he's killed a few magisters himself, so yea that's a safe bet. Same for anders the abomination thing and Merrill since they're potentially in your party. Comparing others to main characters is a bit unfair, they're awesome simply because they're with Hawke and have to be.
Surprise or not surprise, Templars whooped mage ass althroughout DA 3. Hell, even in DA 2, they were getting absolutely wrecked. Straight fight, the mages knew well what their capabilities were, no surprise.
Maybe the mages would have fared better if they tried wearing something other than bathrobes. Of course, they need money to buy armor. Maybe raid some bandit camps or something.
I agree with the battle of wills theory- altering reality vs. enforcing it. Just like there are mages of greater or lesser skills, its the same for Templars I think...despite how it might appear in gameplay, it seems like it is really blood magic Templars have the most trouble with, because blood magic is not powered by the fade or lyrium.
Cassandra: What is it like when templars nullify magic, Solas?
Solas: It is as though you are drawing upon the world around us. Mages draw forth the essence of the fade, and use that essence to shape reality.
Cassandra: And our powers drive it back, making this world harder to affect?
Solas: In a manner of speaking. You reinforce reality so it's less mutable. The fade has nowhere to gain a foothold, and the magic disperses.
Cassandra: No one has ever accused me of reinforcing reality before.
Solas: You are a seeker of truth.
Love Solas's epiphany invoking conversations.
Maybe the mages would have fared better if they tried wearing something other than bathrobes. Of course, they need money to buy armor. Maybe raid some bandit camps or something.
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Hawke is the champion, after all, and he's killed a few magisters himself, so yea that's a safe bet. Same for anders the abomination thing and Merrill since they're potentially in your party. Comparing others to main characters is a bit unfair, they're awesome simply because they're with Hawke and have to be.
Surprise or not surprise, Templars whooped mage ass althroughout DA 3. Hell, even in DA 2, they were getting absolutely wrecked. Straight fight, the mages knew well what their capabilities were, no surprise.
Well, in that case, it's mages with no combat training and heavily outnumbered. Also, Hawke's only killed one magister.
I head canon it is a battle of wills in a way - the Mage using his will to bring magic through and the Templar using his to reinforce reality. Quicker reflexes/stronger resolve wins.
yeah that and trying to keep as many templars at range as you can. Mages are at their most dangerous when they attack at range tbh. As they can attack at distance a templar however generally can't unless they'er equipped with a bow and arrow. When it comes to fighting groups of enemies with mages in their group I try to take the mages out first when playing as a warrior befoer taking on any other enemies. If you can get up close and personal with them they don't have much of a defence against it
Best answer I've seen. Even the Tevinter couldn't stand against experienced Templar soldiers and they're some of the world's most powerful mages. That as most know was shown in the world map quests.
They're douchebags, a lot of them anyway, but man if they don't make mage killing an artform. I'd have loved to see that myself, you have to admire the discipline necessary to make a force capable of countering what is the most destructive force in this series.
Sometimes mages are described as if there were a large gap between them and normal people. Almost like gods and mortals.
But guess what, Tevinter, the center of magic in Thedas, still can't seem to defeat the Qunari. Of course that the latter still uses the occasional Sareebas, but that's not where their real strength is.
Of course, I think people need to remember that WOT and Calpernia's short story pretty much show that Tevinter is pretty much incompetently run and more focused on plots and rivalries against different houses than actually bettering their society in general.
They're too fragmented to pose a threat and the increased qunari attacks essentially caught them with their pants down.
I always hated the whole "mages can only use robes and staves" clichés in fantasy RPGs, as it only serves game mechanics and has no basis in lore. Given their limited numbers and resources, and the occasional clash with Templars, it would make sense for Dalish, Avaar, and Rivaini Seers to at least brush up on the basics of martial combat. Tevinter culture espouses the "Mage Ideal", so I could buy that most of them would be arrogant enough to think that they would never need physical skills.
Circle Mages though? What, none of them learned how to actually fight before coming to the Circle? To assume they can't wear armor because they're too nerdy and weak, no Circle has a gym? Even if they don't, no mage thought to simply do regular exercises with an Increase Gravity spell on themselves?
Circle Mages though? What, none of them learned how to actually fight before coming to the Circle? To assume they can't wear armor because they're too nerdy and weak, no Circle has a gym? Even if they don't, no mage thought to simply do regular exercises with an Increase Gravity spell on themselves?
There's a series of codex entries in the tower in DAO that detail how a physical/combat training program was shut down by the templars. It would appear that the Chantry specifically wants nerdy and weak mages.
Circle Mages though? What, none of them learned how to actually fight before coming to the Circle? To assume they can't wear armor because they're too nerdy and weak, no Circle has a gym? Even if they don't, no mage thought to simply do regular exercises with an Increase Gravity spell on themselves?
You do realize that it is not in the interests of the templars and the chantry that the circle mages ever learn to fight?
You do realize that it is not in the interests of the templars and the chantry that the circle mages ever learn to fight?
And yet in the very beginning of the Mage Origin... what do you see the mages doing in the library?
That's not a cotton ball that mage is throwing at the apprentice to block.
They are learning to fight... in the open... while the templars just go about their day.
The oppression theory is a lie. It's the only reason the mages even got out the front doors.
Sometimes mages are described as if there were a large gap between them and normal people. Almost like gods and mortals.
But guess what, Tevinter, the center of magic in Thedas, still can't seem to defeat the Qunari. Of course that the latter still uses the occasional Sareebas, but that's not where their real strength is.
And yet in the very beginning of the Mage Origin... what do you see the mages doing in the library?
That's not a cotton ball that mage is throwing at the apprentice to block.
They are learning to fight... in the open... while the templars just go about their day.
The oppression theory is a lie. It's the only reason the mages even got out the front doors.
You have no consistency. Like a page or two ago, you were arguing that the templars were so rabid and hateful of magic that they'd burn everything in every tower at the beginning of the rebellion.
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