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[Snowdog65]

 

Is right or wrong to kill AListair for desertion at the Landsmeet?

The warden who made the choice is a tyrant or an executor of justice?

 

 

That's kind of farcical. You would save Loghain, the most heinous villain of the series, and murder Alistair, one of the kindest, goody two shoes characters.

 

I suppose you do that if you are trying to "play evil".

 

In the Howe fight, Howe was mine, for murdering most of my family,  my party subdued his minions, and when they were down, they pulled back, so I could deal with Howe one on one, to personally serve him justice.

 

How could I deny the Alistair the same opportunity? Letting him duel Loghain, wearing his brothers armor, and using his fathers sword, was by far the most satisfying outcome (no mamby pamby redemption options). It's still a far better death than Loghain deserved. Hanged, Drawn and Quartered would be more appropriate given his high treason.

[Domakir]

I suppose you do that if you are trying to "play evil".

I don't think it's because you're trying to play an evil character. You can be a goody and still kill Alistair maybe because you take the GW rules seriously and you think he's desertion should be punished because you're only doing a tactical move by recruiting Loghain.

Or maybe you just don't like Alistair. After all you don't need to play as an evil character to hate him.

[Aren]

That's kind of farcical. You would save Loghain, the most heinous villain of the series, and murder Alistair, one of the kindest, goody two shoes characters.

 

I suppose you do that if you are trying to "play evil".

 

In the Howe fight, Howe was mine, for murdering most of my family,  my party subdued his minions, and when they were down, they pulled back, so I could deal with Howe one on one, to personally serve him justice.

 

How could I deny the Alistair the same opportunity? Letting him duel Loghain, wearing his brothers armor, and using his fathers sword, was by far the most satisfying outcome (no mamby pamby redemption options). It's still a far better death than Loghain deserved. Hanged, Drawn and Quartered would be more appropriate given his high treason.

How weakling your warden had to be in order to need a party to subdue Howe lackeys when there are players that are able to solo the entire game because they trained the warden properly,well i guess that's also come down to what a player want i prefer the insane training/gameplay.

 

 

Cailan and Duncan killed themselves because they made a big mistake at evaluate the numbers of darkspawns especially Duncan a senior GW while Cailan didn't even remained with Loghain as he suggested to him in case something went wrong

[Aren]

I don't think it's because you're trying to play an evil character. You can be a goody and still kill Alistair maybe because you take the GW rules seriously and you think he's desertion should be punished because you're only doing a tactical move by recruiting Loghain.

 

Duncan would have reasoned in that way,he wasn't willing to let escape someone who saw the joining i don't think he would have allowed a desertion from a GW

[DDJ]

Duncan would have reasoned in that way,he wasn't willing to let escape someone who saw the joining i don't think he would have allowed a desertion from a GW

 

This is a valid point.  If you want to protect the Wardens a public desertion has potential ramifications that you cannot let pass.  If you play as an angry Warden who feels betrayed by the Wardens, you can let him go.  Personally, playing a branch elf whose single goal in life was to get married and have a family - all of which was stolen from me by Vaughn, Alastair and Duncan (Alastair because he was at the joining to help kill me if I refused as Jory did) - I want Alastair married to A (whom he dislikes) and on the throne where his descent to ghouldom can be publicly witnessed by many.  One supposes that HoF can have her family (if female) if they are captured by darkspawn such as in Awakening and turned into a broodmother, but that really is not quite what anyone has in mind.

[German Soldier]

True,i think Alistair was willing to help Duncan to kill you just in case of a refusal.

[Snowdog65]

 

How weakling your warden had to be in order to need a party to subdue Howe lackeys when there are players that are able to solo the entire game because they trained the warden properly,well i guess that's also come down to what a player want i prefer the insane training/gameplay.

 

 

1: You are missing the point. Justice is best served by those most wronged. Howe by the hand of my Cousland character, Loghain by Alistair.

 

2: What the hell is with the insults about weakling characters. Aren't you the guy who cheats to give your character extra talents/attributes. In which case your opinion about regular gameplay mechanics are meaningless.

[Qun00]

How weakling your warden had to be in order to need a party to subdue Howe lackeys when there are players that are able to solo the entire game because they trained the warden properly,well i guess that's also come down to what a player want i prefer the insane training/gameplay.


Cailan and Duncan killed themselves because they made a big mistake at evaluate the numbers of darkspawns especially Duncan a senior GW while Cailan didn't even remained with Loghain as he suggested to him in case something went wrong

The fact that you can only escape from an ogre's grab attack with a companion's help tells me that anyone claiming to have gone solo during the whole game is simply full of ****.

[sniper_arrow]

True,i think Alistair was willing to help Duncan to kill you just in case of a refusal.

 

I think Alistair will just stand by while Duncan will kill you (see him watching Jory getting killed). He'll be Duncan's back-up in killing you in case the latter fails, though he'll be a bit hesitant.

[Tidus]

German Soldier,No Alistair would not take part in killing you..He didn't jump in when Duncan killed Jory.

 

Justice was rightfully served on Vaughan,Howe,the Tevinter slaver and Loghain -wellllll, maybe that nutty Dalish keeper as well. One more I wanted to kill but,couldn't.--Riordan.

[German Soldier]

German Soldier,No Alistair would not take part in killing you..He didn't jump in when Duncan killed Jory.

 

Because Duncan was enough for Jory.

 

 

Justice was rightfully served on Vaughan,Howe,the Tevinter slaver and Loghain -wellllll, maybe that nutty Dalish keeper as well. One more I wanted to kill but,couldn't.--Riordan.

 

1: You are missing the point. Justice is best served by those most wronged. Howe by the hand of my Cousland character, Loghain by Alistair.

 

 

I have never heard about a justice in which the judge,jury and executioner are the same person..well that's not justice...

[Tidus]

Ever hear of Judge Roy Bean?  One of his favorite lines was "You got anything to say before I hang you?"

 

Justice can be melt out in several ways depending on many things from century to century depending on country and the leadership's policy. Not so long ago one could hang a cow or horse theft without the need of a jury even if his biggest crime was owning a running brand.  Even today in some countries if you speak ill of the government  you can be dragged away for "reeducation" never to be seen or heard from again. Not so long ago one would take their life into their own hands if he/she spoke against the "Fuhrer"..

[Aren]

The fact that you can only escape from an ogre's grab attack with a companion's help tells me that anyone claiming to have gone solo during the whole game is simply full of ****.

Ogres don't kill with one single grab unless the physical resistance is very low if it is high enough they wont be able to reduce lifespan more than a 15%

The 100% dodge build(applicable to any character regardless of class) is able to solo the game with almost no damages in the whole game

There is  an example of this build  with a SW vs Harvester.

 

Aren't you the guy who cheats to give your character extra talents/attributes. In which case your opinion about regular gameplay mechanics are meaningless.

I don't use cheats for the main campaigns but in custom modules that have nothing to do with the main game and its Dlc.

Focusing on the 100% dodge build is more than enough to solo the game since enemies can't touch you which is the only build i found to be superior to the AW.

[German Soldier]

Ever hear of Judge Roy Bean?  One of his favorite lines was "You got anything to say before I hang you?"

 

Justice can be melt out in several ways depending on many things from century to century depending on country and the leadership's policy. Not so long ago one could hang a cow or horse theft without the need of a jury even if his biggest crime was owning a running brand.  Even today in some countries if you speak ill of the government  you can be dragged away for "reeducation" never to be seen or heard from again. Not so long ago one would take their life into their own hands if he/she spoke against the "Fuhrer"..

An act not performed by a judge or magistrate isn't legal justice,you may as well believe that is justice but that is only a PoV not something dictated by the law.I don't recall any law of the landsmeet that dictate to kill the opponent after the duel from what i heard by Alfstanna it seem to be not contemplated at all.

[Secret Rare]

 

 

I have never heard about a justice in which the judge,jury and executioner are the same person..well that's not justice...

 

 Alistair was  not able to accept that Duncan's death was caused by his own misjudgments about the darkspawn forces and not by Loghain  he had to find someone to blame,his reasons for revenge are totally misplaced.

 

 

 

Focusing on the 100% dodge build is more than enough to solo the game since enemies can't touch you which is the only build i found to be superior to the AW.

 

This build is game breaking, i'm aware that the dodge stats if brought to max make you avoid all hits from enemies but it makes the game boring

is one of those gameplay tricks at the limit of cheat.

[Heimerdinger]

The fact that you can only escape from an ogre's grab attack with a companion's help tells me that anyone claiming to have gone solo during the whole game is simply full of ****.

 

Nope. You can tank it. Or you can not get grabbed in the first place. Youtube is full of DAO nightmare solo runs. Some runs and guides were detailed here on the forum by users with good reputation. Never underestimate hardcore gamers.