224 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Akiza]

I think Alistair is definitely out of line at the Landsmeet, and the Grey Warden discretion policy demands that he die if he tries to desert the wardens. Actually having him executed would make some sense for ultra-zealous characters who don't like him in the first place, but should be too extreme for anyone who hasn't quite gotten to that point of embracing the warden credo.

 

The word pretty much summarize my warden personality,overzealous toward the duty thus she chopped Alistair head and then gutted Morrigan as well since she tried to manipulate her in saving the archdemon soul.

She was 200% a zealot grey warden who had no mercy and no patience toward those who wanted to use her like these two Gaider pets.

[ThomasBlaine]

The word pretty much summarize my warden personality,overzealous toward the duty thus she chopped Alistair head and then gutted Morrigan as well since she tried to manipulate her in saving the archdemon soul.

She was 200% a zealot grey warden who had no mercy and no patience toward those who wanted to use her like these two Gaider pets.

 

What made her that... committed... to her GW duties?

[Akiza]

You was kind to ask

It was the kind of character that i particularly like to play,they are perfectionists who put great energy and enthusiasm in the pursuit of a cause  and an objective so she was  fitting to be a grey warden  even more than Duncan and Riordan,. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

The warden has reasons to want to kill every companion since they have these critical moments in which they show disobedience and even try to go against you  or derail your mission.

They have to obey or they have to die is simple.

[Catilina]

 

Is right or wrong to kill AListair for desertion at the Landsmeet?

The warden who made the choice is a tyrant or an executor of justice?

 

 

(You're against the death penalty, is not it? For Loghain you're opposed. Why would it be better for Allistair?

Sorry, off topic, i know, It was just a little weird for me the question from you ...)

 

I think by no means "executor of justice", because Allistair did not commit any sin (Except desertion, ofc...)

Conversely, it is logical (and tyrannical) choice, since Alistair's mere existence danger to Anora (and the warden) reign, thus to Ferelden's peace.

[Seraphim24]

It's been awhile since I thought about this one, here is what I know

 

1. The Grey Wardens don't seem to specify a specific punishment for "desertion" (once officially a Grey Warden)

2. The Right of Conscription is an act that compels someone to the joining ritual, which may kill someone (and in that sense, act effectively as a death sentence). Jory's death was for refusing to undertake the ritual, not for desertion as a GW per se.

 

So the GW are really harsh, but once you get shortened life span and all that, there isn't anything precluding someone from just running away, although apparently Duncan states that all GW find themselves in the Deep Roads eventually, being drawn by the taint.

 

So, there really isn't to say about it one way or another, as far as that goes.

 

As for just common sensical, nothing Alistair has done is severe enough to warrant the DP IMHO. All he's done is just hate his role, and he finally gets a chance to leave, might as well let him go.

 

The situation might of been different if you needed a GW to sacrifice to kill the Archdemon, which has to be a GW (and then it's like, my own PC warden or Alistair), but since I like to let Loghain live, I just have him do it.

[Mike3207]

You have to believe Ferelden is better off without Alistair and Marics' line than it would be if you kill Loghain. That's really a tall order, because you're doing away with all the good Maric's line could do in the future. You're not only killing Alistair but all his descendants as well. Cailan and Alistair might be proof that that line has seen better days, but you can be taking a lot on yourself ending that royal line. It's one of the reasons I decided to not execute Alistair any more.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

You have to believe Ferelden is better off without Alistair and Marics' line than it would be if you kill Loghain. That's really a tall order, because you're doing away with all the good Maric's line could do in the future. You're not only killing Alistair but all his descendants as well. Cailan and Alistair might be proof that that line has seen better days, but you can be taking a lot on yourself ending that royal line. It's one of the reasons I decided to not execute Alistair any more.

Kill Alistair and all his descendants seem like a good improvement for Ferelden to me,also i don't trust him to be free to divulge GW secrets.

[sniper_arrow]

You have to believe Ferelden is better off without Alistair and Marics' line than it would be if you kill Loghain. That's really a tall order, because you're doing away with all the good Maric's line could do in the future. You're not only killing Alistair but all his descendants as well. Cailan and Alistair might be proof that that line has seen better days, but you can be taking a lot on yourself ending that royal line. It's one of the reasons I decided to not execute Alistair any more.

 

The problem with royal bloodlines is that it had produced tyrants along the way (don't get me started on incest). There's no way of telling the future offspring/descendant is good just because Maric was a good king.

[Seraphim24]

You have to believe Ferelden is better off without Alistair and Marics' line than it would be if you kill Loghain. That's really a tall order, because you're doing away with all the good Maric's line could do in the future. You're not only killing Alistair but all his descendants as well. Cailan and Alistair might be proof that that line has seen better days, but you can be taking a lot on yourself ending that royal line. It's one of the reasons I decided to not execute Alistair any more.

 

Wait a sec, but you can install Alistair as King and technically save Loghain as well if you really want...?

[ThomasBlaine]

You have to believe Ferelden is better off without Alistair and Marics' line than it would be if you kill Loghain. That's really a tall order, because you're doing away with all the good Maric's line could do in the future. You're not only killing Alistair but all his descendants as well. Cailan and Alistair might be proof that that line has seen better days, but you can be taking a lot on yourself ending that royal line. It's one of the reasons I decided to not execute Alistair any more.

 

I'd just like to point out that only half of the six Origins are technically Fereldan citizens, only two have any regular experience with Fereldan society and only one has any inherent respect for Fereldan nobility, much less its history or future after the Blight.

[Mike3207]

I'd just like to point out that only half of the six Origins are technically Fereldan citizens, only two have any regular experience with Fereldan society and only one has any inherent respect for Fereldan nobility, much less its history or future after the Blight.

Yes, but the Human Noble is really the only origin with a legitimate reason to go along with killing Alistair-trying to avoid civil war down the line.

 

All the rest it's  either simple bloodlust, or they think Alistair is an annoying twerp. 

 

 

Wait a sec, but you can install Alistair as King and technically save Loghain as well if you really want...?

 

 

 

Yes- you can marry Anora to Alistair before the Landsmeet, and as long as he is hardened he will go through with the wedding to Anora, but leave the party. Loghain will then join the party as a warden.

[ThomasBlaine]

Yes, but the Human Noble is really the only origin with a legitimate reason to go along with killing Alistair-trying to avoid civil war down the line.

 

All the rest it's  either simple bloodlust, or they think Alistair is an annoying twerp. 

 

Threatening to desert and potentially start that civil war immediately by trying to forcibly install himself as king just because he momentarily feels like it isn't just being "an annoying twerp". If you hadn't fought with him for a year you wouldn't hesitate to kill someone being so stupid and destructive at such a critical moment.

 

Unless you've taken an active dislike to him, which certainly isn't unrealistic, or are particularly afraid of angering Anora, pushing to get him banished rather than killed makes more sense. Having him killed to protect the carefully brokered alliance isn't entirely unreasonable for any Origin though. Grey Wardens do whatever it takes, or so the PC has been told. I most often have him banished, and it usually feels more like a moment of personal weakness on my Warden's part than anything else.

 

Only the Cousland Warden, and possibly a Dwarven noble who is both very traditional and very open-minded, would potentially consider Alistair's bloodline to be sufficient reason to keep him alive, which was my original point. None of the others have the background to appreciate something like that.

[Mike3207]

It's a legitimate concern that leaving Alistair alive might restart the civil war, because of Eamon's previous letters about removing Anora from the throne and your inability to kill Eamon in the game. A Cousland that marries Anora will of course have a vested interest in that Alistair does not decide at a later date to resume a campaign for the throne. Normally, under those circumstances it's better safe than sorry to do what is needed to safeguard the throne.The rest of the origins all have had him as a close friend throughout the story, and wouldn't really have a motive to kill Alistair.

 

At any rate, I've never killed Alistair with any Warden other than male Cousland, because no other origin seemed to have a legitimate reason to do so.

 

I was simply being flip about not liking Alistair, but won't deny he's not my favorite companion in the game. Of course, I'm not crazy about any of the companions you have adventuring with you. Dog is really the only one I like.

[ThomasBlaine]

It's a legitimate concern that leaving Alistair alive might restart the civil war, because of Eamon's previous letters about removing Anora from the throne and your inability to kill Eamon in the game. A Cousland that marries Anora will of course have a vested interest in that Alistair does not decide at a later date to resume a campaign for the throne. Normally, under those circumstances it's better safe than sorry to do what is needed to safeguard the throne.The rest of the origins all have had him as a close friend throughout the story, and wouldn't really have a motive to kill Alistair.

 

I was simply being flip about not liking Alistair, but won't deny he's not my favorite companion in the game. Of course, I'm not crazy about any of the companions you have adventuring with you. Dog is really the only one I like.

 

It's a legitimate concern that leaving Alistair alive would cause disaster just because he's standing there, yelling, loudly threatening to desert, kill and depose people at a sensitive point in a crucial political meeting and the future queen is demanding that he be put down. The Warden doesn't have to consider him a potential rival to see it that way.

 

I think all the companions are somewhat likable when approached with the right mindset. It's just hard to imagine someone having to travel and fight for months and months under incredible pressure all the while putting up with Alistair and not end up very very tired of him. He'd be a pretty cool guy to stumble into and go out for a drink with. Having to depend on him as your second in command during a lengthy and dangerous voyage? Less cool.

[Jedi Comedian]

Other times I've said Loghy was interesting, worth recruiting and better than Al... however I think I'd rather avenge the betrayed Wardens, Duncan included, and cut off his head. And keep Al as a Warden.

[Aren]

Other times I've said Loghy was interesting, worth recruiting and better than Al... however I think I'd rather avenge the betrayed Wardens, Duncan included, and cut off his head. And keep Al as a Warden.

Duncan and his men were not killed by Loghain that's just Alistair flimsy conviction but by the Archdemon who mind controlled the darkspawns.

The only wardens who suffered becuase of Loghain were The PC ,Alsitair and Riordan

[DDJ]

Let's keep in mind for a moment that Alastair is a Warden.  If Duncan is willing to kill to preserve the secrecy of the joining, I would suggest that the only way out for a Warden is to kill Alastair.  Not that I would mind you, but the Wardens seem to have an overzealous paranoia with secrecy (and demon armies for that matter).

[Secret Rare]

Let's keep in mind for a moment that Alastair is a Warden.  If Duncan is willing to kill to preserve the secrecy of the joining, I would suggest that the only way out for a Warden is to kill Alastair.  Not that I would mind you, but the Wardens seem to have an overzealous paranoia with secrecy (and demon armies for that matter).

No they do not that was just Clarel.

as for Alistair i think Duncan would have killed him if he tried to leave the order....wanna leave knowing our secrets,.....sure of course not..

[DDJ]

No they do not that was just Clarel.

as for Alistair i think Duncan would have killed him if he tried to leave the order....wanna leave knowing our secrets,.....sure of course not..

 

Don't forget Sophia Dryden raising her own demon army.  I agree with you on Clarel as well, but if the Wardens keep coming around to this point of view we really don't know what they have done in the far past they might have been covered up.

[sniper_arrow]

No they do not that was just Clarel.

as for Alistair i think Duncan would have killed him if he tried to leave the order....wanna leave knowing our secrets,.....sure of course not..

 

I doubt Duncan would be able to do that since he's taking care of his friend's (Fiona) son. But, it would be interesting to see Fiona's reaction if that were to happen.

[Secret Rare]

I doubt Duncan would be able to do that since he's taking care of his friend's (Fiona) son. But, it would be interesting to see Fiona's reaction if that were to happen.

If Duncan cared for Alistair as Fiona's son he would have never conscripted him into the misery of the grey wardens much less knowing that he was a possible heir.Keep in mind that the books were wrote after the game which mean that the game was not conceived with these relationships.

[HeliosDisciple]

Alistair leaves the Wardens if he becomes King too.

[DDJ]

Alistair leaves the Wardens if he becomes King too.

 

That is a well taken point,l but Alastair appears to have a blind loyalty to the Wardens.and as King he does give them Amaranthine.  So what we see is that the Wardens feel they can exercise a degree of control over him.  He is still their man for all he is king.  HoF is another matter entirely.  Assuming that he / she survives DAO, and apparently Bioware wants them to since the plot armor and the DLC's point us in that direction, then the HoF is off hunting for a cure to the taint apparently feeling little honor in remaining a warden so that he / she can eventually turn into a ghoul or, in a female's case, possibly be turned into a broodmother since the lore does not prohibit it.  I digress.  Alastair can't be killed right at the landsmeet in front of everyone knowing that people know he is Maric's son.  If he runs off to be a drunk the Wardens will have him put out of the way.  Much the same for HoF.  HoF knows a lot of secrets and is a danger to the Wardens because of his / her status.  So, a surviving Warden hunting for a cure is a threat and would need to be dealt with.

[Secret Rare]

Alistair leaves the Wardens if he becomes King too.

He is still condemned to the calling thanks to his beloved Duncan.