Let's keep in mind for a moment that Alastair is a Warden. If Duncan is willing to kill to preserve the secrecy of the joining, I would suggest that the only way out for a Warden is to kill Alastair. Not that I would mind you, but the Wardens seem to have an overzealous paranoia with secrecy (and demon armies for that matter).
Duncan killed Jory because Jory drew blade and Duncan wouldn't be worried about Alistair publicizing the joining after taking it.
Duncan killed Jory because Jory drew blade and Duncan wouldn't be worried about Alistair publicizing the joining after taking it.
That is a valid point, but Jory was backing away from the others after refusing to drink the blood when he drew his sword. Duncan made no attempt to reason with him or to obtain a vow of secrecy. Jory was not attacking Duncan until after Duncan drew his own weapon. Further, as king Alastair is basically untouchable by the Wardens. He is not untouchable by the spawn blood he drank. As the years progress, Alastair will turn into a ghoul quite publicly. The only sure option for the Wardens to keep their secret is to either kill Alastair at the Landsmeet or to arrange his assassination before he descends to ghouldom. And according to all the lore Bioware has published, the Wardens do preserve their secrets as much as possible. To me, the more that I read the books and play the games that it is a fanatical, almost paranoid obsession with secrecy. This is only me mind you based upon Bioware's own words. By the time the Landsmeet comes around Duncan is dead. And if Alastair did not publicize the joining secrets, and by the time Awakening rolls around it is becoming more known, that really only leaves the HoF who is hunting for a cure in DAI. If HoF is guilty, considering the kind of prestige he/she has, then HoF has become a threat to the very secrecy the Wardens strive to maintain and hence a target.
Alistair will do the right thing and leave for the Deep Roads when it is time for his Calling, the same as any Warden.
I don't like Alistair, but most of the time he can be trusted to do the right thing.
Alistair will do the right thing and leave for the Deep Roads when it is time for his Calling, the same as any Warden.
I don't like Alistair, but most of the time he can be trusted to do the right thing.
Alastair is the king and as such despite Maric's excursion to the Deep Roads would not be permitted to by his advisors. The signs will be there for all to see. Considering how indecisive he was and a complainer through the game, I frankly have serious doubts. Still you could be right.
I got the impression Duncan shanked Jory because there is an Evil Dragon God coming right for us I do not have time to baby you. The Wardens don't seem to get all stabby on anybody else who leaves after the Blight is over.
I got the impression Duncan shanked Jory because there is an Evil Dragon God coming right for us I do not have time to baby you. The Wardens don't seem to get all stabby on anybody else who leaves after the Blight is over.
The only Wardens who ran off I know of are HoF, protected by plot armor, and Anders who bailed and escaped. In DA 2 he states that he needs to "hide well." Did I miss something here? Using what I have seen in the games and books, I stand by the shanking. Keep in mind that Duncan himself was conscripted. The woman who did it chose him so she could see him die in agony after swallowing the blood. He had killed her lover who, it appears, was glad to be happy to die violently rather than going to the Deep Roads which frankly is a sad perspective on the Wardens as a whole. Considering their bent towards bviolence, not always aimed at Darkspawn, and their paranoia for secrecy, I would say that they would certainly hunt down and "deal with" any deserters.
Off with his head
A good Grey warden always protect the order secrets..a good grey warden also kill the old god with Loghain since they were both responsible for the chaos is right that they die together.
The only Wardens who ran off I know of are HoF, protected by plot armor, and Anders who bailed and escaped. In DA 2 he states that he needs to "hide well." Did I miss something here? Using what I have seen in the games and books, I stand by the shanking. Keep in mind that Duncan himself was conscripted. The woman who did it chose him so she could see him die in agony after swallowing the blood. He had killed her lover who, it appears, was glad to be happy to die violently rather than going to the Deep Roads which frankly is a sad perspective on the Wardens as a whole. Considering their bent towards bviolence, not always aimed at Darkspawn, and their paranoia for secrecy, I would say that they would certainly hunt down and "deal with" any deserters.
The warden of DAO did not run away they are commanders and loyal to the order in fact in DAI i had a letter signed by my warden as warden commander and whatever they are doing they do for the order(in my case)Anders is the only traitor.
Point taken, but the commander of Ferelden's Wardens is off on a jaunt somewhere out of Corypheus' range hunting for a cure to what makes him/her a Warden. I am not certain that I would consider Anders a traitor - to the Wardens perhaps. The point was that he is in hiding fearing what the Wardens will do likely. HoF is actively seeking a cure. HoF can hardly have been actively leading them since the Awakening DLC states they never return to Amaranthine where the power base is. Apparently they don't plan on spending their lives dedicated to war only to spend it in an endless and ultimately meaningless death to protect Warden secrets in the Deep Roads. But, now that I think on it, let's say that a Warden is seriously wounded in battle but survives. Perhaps they lose their sword arm or take a blow to the head that addles their brains permanently. Just what do the Wardens do in that case? They can't send cripples to the Deep Roads and yet keeping them around risks exposure. I suspect that they might be eliminated for the greater good, but that's just one heretical thought on my part.
Anders is the only traitor.
I wouldn't kill Alister, I trust him over Logain and Anora and I'd rather put him on the throne than Anora and I sure the heck wouldn't want him marrying her. Sure Alister was irresponsible on some isses, but when push came to shove he showed a great deal of courage and loyalty. I don't think Anora was loyal to anyone but her self, besides I don't think Alister would've been prepared for her brand of treachery. She betrayed me too many times, either at Howe's estate or at the landsmeet and has never given me any reason to believe she'd make a noble queen.
Alistair showed his true colours the moment he didn't get his way. He's worse than Howe, who at least didn't do it because he had a fit. Can you really trust someone like that? no you can't! So its better to be safe than sorry. Besides his mom is his tree strikes your out card.
Alistair showed his true colours the moment he didn't get his way. He's worse than Howe, who at least didn't do it because he had a fit. Can you really trust someone like that? no you can't! So its better to be safe than sorry. Besides his mom is his tree strikes your out card.
I'm sorry...I don't recall Alister killing an entire noble family, plotting to kidnap and kill nobles, wardens, elves and templars. He never hired Antivan Crows to assassinate people and he didn't run around claiming other people's land. Howe was a snake and Logain was no better. All Alister did was a hissy fit and walk away. And yes, I trust him more than Howe, Logain and Anora. At least his tantrum was understandable.
I'm sorry...I don't recall Alister killing an entire noble family, plotting to kidnap and kill nobles, wardens, elves and templars. He never hired Antivan Crows to assassinate people and he didn't run around claiming other people's land. Howe was a snake and Logain was no better. All Alister did was a hissy fit and walk away. And yes, I trust him more than Howe, Logain and Anora. At least his tantrum was understandable.
With the highest respect to both Rhjh20 and VivainaDX, and I do respect both of you, I think that you may have missed the point. Loghain I always put to the sword. What he did from my perspective, particularly the slaving bit, is inexcusable. But Alastair did show his true colors as well being too self righteous, if that is the term to allow another Warden, a badly needed one, to take up the cause. Frankly, and this is only my opinion, I do not like either of them although I like Loghain less. So if I may, to two of my favorite bloggers, you are both right. You know, I had not thought of it, but in my own dark world view, putting Alastair on the throne makes even more sense and DAI appears to justify my thoughts. Since he did not have the sense to ally with the Inquisition like Celene did, and since he is the one who sent the mages to Redcliff, his decision making capability seems somewhat hampered even with Arnora. Of course, if he had not we would not have another great game, but that is semantics. After all none of us write the scripts.
With the highest respect to both Rhjh20 and VivainaDX, and I do respect both of you, I think that you may have missed the point. Loghain I always put to the sword. What he did from my perspective, particularly the slaving bit, is inexcusable. But Alastair did show his true colors as well being too self righteous, if that is the term to allow another Warden, a badly needed one, to take up the cause. Frankly, and this is only my opinion, I do not like either of them although I like Loghain less. So if I may, to two of my favorite bloggers, you are both right. You know, I had not thought of it, but in my own dark world view, putting Alastair on the throne makes even more sense and DAI appears to justify my thoughts. Since he did not have the sense to ally with the Inquisition like Celene did, and since he is the one who sent the mages to Redcliff, his decision making capability seems somewhat hampered even with Arnora. Of course, if he had not we would not have another great game, but that is semantics. After all none of us write the scripts.
Sorry DDJ...I guess I got a little temperamental. I'll be good from now on... 
Sorry DDJ...I guess I got a little temperamental. I'll be good from now on...
You are always good. I just got to see it from a third party perspective. Both of you are sound thinkers.
With the highest respect to both Rhjh20 and VivainaDX, and I do respect both of you, I think that you may have missed the point. Loghain I always put to the sword. What he did from my perspective, particularly the slaving bit, is inexcusable. But Alastair did show his true colors as well being too self righteous, if that is the term to allow another Warden, a badly needed one, to take up the cause. Frankly, and this is only my opinion, I do not like either of them although I like Loghain less. So if I may, to two of my favorite bloggers, you are both right. You know, I had not thought of it, but in my own dark world view, putting Alastair on the throne makes even more sense and DAI appears to justify my thoughts. Since he did not have the sense to ally with the Inquisition like Celene did, and since he is the one who sent the mages to Redcliff, his decision making capability seems somewhat hampered even with Arnora. Of course, if he had not we would not have another great game, but that is semantics. After all none of us write the scripts.
Yes, he can act out of pique and it makes him impulsive but I think he acted out in sympathy with the mages. Ok, it might not have been too smart, the way it worked out, but I can't fault the guy for it. I think it showed he has enough compassion to be redeemable, all he needs is the right incentive.
You are always good. I just got to see it from a third party perspective. Both of you are sound thinkers.
Why Thank-you! I appreciate the compliment! 
Why Thank-you! I appreciate the compliment!
You are most welcome.
Yes, he can act out of pique and it makes him impulsive but I think he acted out in sympathy with the mages. Ok, it might not have been too smart, the way it worked out, but I can't fault the guy for it. I think it showed he has enough compassion to be redeemable, all he needs is the right incentive.
Which is another reason I always marry him off to Loghain's daughter.
Which is another reason I always marry him off to Loghain's daughter.
Noooo! I have issues with her, I wouldn't leave the poor guy in her hands! Of all the times I've played I think there was only once that she didn't betray me at the landsmeet, I don't trust her at all. I'm sure there's a better match for him somewhere.
You are always good. I just got to see it from a third party perspective. Both of you are sound thinkers.
I always respect your decision, but please keep in mind that I have a dark world view. I listened to him whine, complain, deceive ad infinitum the whole game and never really cared for him. The only more perfect choice the game offers me is Flemeth or Morrigan which, sadly enough, are not options. Sorry.
Fair enough, lol. I just don't want that woman anywhere near the throne, she got on my bad side too many times. I'm not sure, but I could almost swear there's a way you can execute her, as well as Logain..? I'm not sure if it was DA or another game that something like that came up . As for Alister, I'd rather see him with Morrigan, especially in a future game and if there's a Kieran. And yeah, he could be quite annoying, couldn't he.
Fair enough, lol. I just don't want that woman anywhere near the throne, she got on my bad side too many times. I'm not sure, but I could almost swear there's a way you can execute her, as well as Logain..? I'm not sure if it was DA or another game that something like that came up . As for Alister, I'd rather see him with Morrigan, especially in a future game and if there's a Kieran. And yeah, he could be quite annoying, couldn't he.
I am not as vexed with Arnora but I definitely see your point. And with all respect, I think calling Alastair only "quite annoying" is a very mild term for it. I can't really see him with Morrigan though. Good heavens, he would be a frog in no time at all.
Retour en haut