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We've all heard of the Greek Tragedy, in which an otherwise good and honest king / demigod (because let's be honest, none of them are about common mortals) finds their life destroyed by the end because of their one Fatal Flaw, usually Hubris, or Pride. While the Greek Tragedy is no longer a thing, the Tragic Hero archetype still persists today. We see a good deal of this in the antagonists of DAO, most notably Loghain; a stalwart man who descends to villainous actions and is disgraced (and is possibly executed) because of his pride.

 

A lot of people like to discuss how Loghain is a Tragic Hero and compare him to the classic Tragic Heroes of literature and theatre; and that's fine.

 

However, after the Roman Empire collapsed and Europe broke up into hundreds of little warring clans/countries, a lesser known genre became popular. This was the Medieval Tragedy. It involved a noble (usually a prince, sometimes a knight) who starts off well-off but then the Wheel of Fortune turns downward and they're somehow stripped of their privilege/titles, descend into poverty, and then have to work their way back up the Wheel of Fortune into privilege again. Unlike the Greek Tragedy, where the bad stuff occurs because of a personal flaw and is permanent, the Medieval Tragedy happens due to downwardly turning fortune wheel but then fortunes turn upward again and it almost always had a happy ending--partly because the cultural norm for Medieval Europeans (well, definitely Medieval English and French) was to write things the way they thought it should be, rather than what it was.

 

Why do I bring this up? Because I've studied centuries of Medieval English literature (I'm actually hoping to become a professor of medieval literature) and noticed the strong similarity with the Dwarf and especially Human Noble origins. While there were many genres of literature throughout the thousand years or so of the so-called "medieval period," from the highly religious hagiographical (saints' lives) stories to the highly sensational Medieval Romances, most stories that involved the "medieval tragedy" followed a pretty strict formula:

 

A good, noble-hearted, stalwart knight/prince (almost always male, though occasionally female) is universally adored by the people, is living the most charmed life possible (with loving parents and/or siblings if a kid, or a loving wife and kids as an adult), and/or is next in line for the throne. But then an evil, traitorous false friend (Howe) or conniving, usurping relative (Bhelen) either murders their whole family (if a prince), and/or gets them exiled, and/or usurps the throne when they should have inherited. ("Oh, your dad just died? Well, I'll just throw your six-year-old self into the dungeon and ease myself/my son onto the throne instead of you.") Then they usually find themselves having to escape and/or go into exile. They're then raised in poverty (if a child) or live in poverty (if an adult) for a while, although usually their inborn noble qualities tend to be quickly apparent to those around them, and they tend to gain the notice of another king/noble from a neighboring kingdom, and get promoted to a high position of steward or knight or whatever by that good king/noble. If it's a prince and he's not married, you know he's going to meet and fall in love with the story's heroine, a princess of the said neighboring kingdom (usually the daughter of his patron king/noble) who has a generous inheritance of her own. By the end, the usurped prince always, always, always exposes, fights, and defeats their evil false friend / usurping relative. They then regain all the lands and titles they lost and then some, while also retaining all the new allies, lands, titles, etc. that they earned through merit while in exile. By the end they're filthy rich, universally beloved, marry the princess (and thus gain her inheritance through marriage--usually a second kingdom), and live happily ever after.

 

Does this sound like the Human Noble Origin? I hope so, because that's what it is. 

 

Now, I know the Medieval Tragedy hasn't quite left the public conscious. We still have the "Riches to Rags (to Riches Again)" trope in popular culture (although that's not quite as popular as "Rags to Riches" these days since today's audience love underdogs). Many classic British authors loved writing about heroes and heroines from good families who were somehow separated or fell on hard times, but then discovered long-lost rich relatives and then were restored to their rightful wealth and privilege before the end. (Charles Dickons especially loved writing about lost/abandoned little boys who meet long-lost rich relatives who take them in and insure they don't have to struggle anymore--something I'm sure he wished happened in him in real life.) We've also got the "Rightful King Returns" trope, most famously Aragorn, Son of Arathorn reclaiming his rightful throne to Gondor from the "lesser" steward family of Denethor, Boromir, and Feremir.

 

Heck, most people compare the Human Noble Origin's story to that of Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride; their family is killed by a dastardly villain (who is also the right hand to the story's main villain), they spend most of the story seeking revenge, then they kill the bastard, avenge their family, and all is good in the end.

 

I had to point out the Medieval Tragedy, though, because of how closely it follows the formula; especially for Medieval Romances (moreso than other medieval genres). The Couslands are one notch below royalty, and they have the idealized "perfect noble family who is universally adored by their subjects and fellow nobles alike" thing going, then they're horribly betrayed, slaughtered, and usurped by a diabolical, one-dimensionally evil false friend. The Human Noble, like the medieval fallen prince (especially from Medieval Romances) is then stripped of their privilege, plunged into destitution, and swears revenge against the villain for their slaughtered family. The HN then works their way back up the Wheel of Fortune (by becoming a Grey Warden, working to stop the Blight, allying with people that Howe and Loghain screw over), finds a fellow noble who allies with them (Arl Eamon), meets a potential, currently unmarried heir to the Ferelden throne (Anora for male Couslands, Alistair for the female Cousland), then they avenge their family by slaughtering the traitorous villain (by murdering Howe), then by the end (no matter what) they gain back all the ancestral lands, privileges, and titles they lost and then some. Not only that, but they also keep all the prestige, land, and titles they won through their own merit while in disgrace (recognition as Warden-Commander of Ferelden, Hero of Ferelden, Royal Boon that isn't wasted on asking for the crown, so you can also ask for the Teyrnship of Gwaren or whatever), and then they can also marry the Ferelden heir (Anora for male Couslands, Alistair for females) and gain their spouse's status as King/Queen of Ferelden on top of getting back all their family's lost lands and titles. Typical "Medieval Tragedy / Medieval Romance" happy ending.

 

What I find funny, though, is how the Dwarf Noble story alone deconstructs / subverts the medieval tragedy, while the Human Noble plays it completely straight. The Dwarf Noble is also betrayed and exiled by a scheming, usurping false friend (their younger brother Bhelen), stripped of their privilege and title, and exiled from home. However, any hope the Dwarf Noble might have had of getting revenge on their brother and reclaiming their right to the throne are soon disappointed. The Dwarf Noble can only gain revenge by proxy by supporting another noble against their brother rather than gunning for the throne themselves (you have to support Harrowmont against Bhelen, Harrowmont doesn't support you against him), and you NEVER gain back your lost birthright.

 

Sure, as everyone points out, the Dwarf Noble becomes a Paragon at the end, which is seen as even greater than a king/queen. However, this doesn't fit the typical Medieval Tragedy. Like I said twice, the "Medieval Tragedy" always involves the afflicted noble not only getting to keep the prestige they gained through merit while in exile (if they aren't martyred soon after at the end, in the case of saints' lives), but also regaining their original inborn privilege and birthright. If the Dwarf Noble Origin was a typical Medieval Tragedy (like the Human Noble is), then Bhelen would have been portrayed as a one-note villain who makes Orzammar worse instead of better while in power (which he is not, on either account), you could have denounced and killed him for his crimes, and then you could have regained your birthright as heir to the throne, and the game would have ended with the Dwarf Noble having the option to become the King/Queen of Orzammar AND a Paragon... Much like how the Human Noble playthrough ends with you not just restoring the Cousland family's lost lands and titles (as Fergus is Teyrn of Highever no matter what by DAI) AND getting the option to become King/Queen of Ferelden. The game doesn't subject Cousland to "you can have this but not that," it lets you have "both this AND that," which is the typical happy ending of Medieval Romances.

 

If I sound bitter, it's because I am. 

 

However, I am exceedingly fond of medieval literature (it's so goofy! And so predictable once you learn the typical plot and stock characters of each genre), and I was pretty excited to learn the stock plots of the typical Medieval Tragedy (especially from Medieval Romances) matches that of the Human Noble Origin.

 

I'm still not a fan of the human noble origin (and you can hate me for it, I don't care), but I thought it was fun to learn it's an homage to the typical medieval tragedy (especially of Medieval Romances), and if you're a Cousland fan I thought you might find it fun to learn too. The more you know.  :)


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Soooo, did you post this to hate on the Couslands, praise them, etc.? Getting mixed signals from you, girl, and it's confusin' me.

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Soooo, did you post this to hate on the Couslands, praise them, etc.? Getting mixed signals from you, girl, and it's confusin' me.


It's just your daily share of trivia. Did you know that dwarves are born as little rocks?
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This was a fascinating read. Thank you for sharing your analysis, it sheds some light on why the Cousland Origin has it's popularity. You know, I've always wondered why when the Dwarven Noble asks Caridin for a boon, he doesn't just ask him to support his bid for the throne. A Paragon's word is law. That way you COULD have your cake and eat it too. 

 

As for my character, it really shaped my Human Noble into the Queen she is now. When the chips were down, all of her Father's friends or peers were in it for themselves, and Ferelden nearly went up in flames. Things had to change: she had to change.



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Loghain is a farmboy. He's just a hero that went bad. It kind fits the old adage.. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain."

 

I agree about Cousland, but they screwed it up. The example would have worked well had Bioware actually made some consequences to the dark ritual. Magical sex rites with witches in the dark of the night. A classic downfall...... that never came.



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Well okay then.

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Just a note:

I do not think the Anora is legal ruler, because her husband was king, she was only the king's wife. After Cailan's death interregnum occurred. Anora just a regent (if we take for base the general European principles of inheritance – royal spouses rarely inherit the throne), she need Alistair or another ancient noble family (Cousland for example) to retain her position.


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Just a note:
I do not think the Anora is legal ruler, because her husband was king, he was only the king's wife. After Cailan's death interregnum occurred. Anora just a regent (if we take for base the general European principles of inheritance – royal spouses rarely inherit the throne), she need Alistair or another ancient noble family (Cousland for example) to retain her position.


Lol. Good to know. My King Couslands planning his plan to make Morrigan his queen then...
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Lol. Good to know. My King Couslands planning his plan to make Morrigan his queen then...

Nice plan, but I would not go that far ... Morrigan are an apostate. (Anora have noble blood, maternal side. She entitled to the throne but does not automatically immediately after her husband's death, she's just a royal widow.)



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Nice plan, but I would not go that far ... Morrigan are an apostate. (Anora have noble blood, maternal side.)


Well at the very least, Kieran would become his heir then...

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I like the analysis and I didn't know all that about medieval tragedy. There is the twist, regardless of HN or DN, of being a Grey Warden and being destined to die at an early age or else become corrupted. That doesn't prevent a HN from gaining the throne, but I wouldn't say it's a 100% happy ending.

 

I will say that the HN is one of my least favorite origins partly because it's mostly a happy ending, while most of the other origins fit better into the DAO version of Thedas. The Couslands are very similar to the Trevelyans.



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We've all heard of the Greek Tragedy, in which an otherwise good and honest king / demigod (because let's be honest, none of them are about common mortals) finds their life destroyed by the end because of their one Fatal Flaw, usually Hubris, or Pride. While the Greek Tragedy is no longer a thing, the Tragic Hero archetype still persists today. We see a good deal of this in the antagonists of DAO, most notably Loghain; a stalwart man who descends to villainous actions and is disgraced (and is possibly executed) because of his pride.

 

A lot of people like to discuss how Loghain is a Tragic Hero and compare him to the classic Tragic Heroes of literature and theatre; and that's fine.

 

However, after the Roman Empire collapsed and Europe broke up into hundreds of little warring clans/countries, a lesser known genre became popular. This was the Medieval Tragedy. It involved a noble (usually a prince, sometimes a knight) who starts off well-off but then the Wheel of Fortune turns downward and they're somehow stripped of their privilege/titles, descend into poverty, and then have to work their way back up the Wheel of Fortune into privilege again. Unlike the Greek Tragedy, where the bad stuff occurs because of a personal flaw and is permanent, the Medieval Tragedy happens due to downwardly turning fortune wheel but then fortunes turn upward again and it almost always had a happy ending--partly because the cultural norm for Medieval Europeans (well, definitely Medieval English and French) was to write things the way they thought it should be, rather than what it was.

 

Why do I bring this up? Because I've studied centuries of Medieval English literature (I'm actually hoping to become a professor of medieval literature) and noticed the strong similarity with the Dwarf and especially Human Noble origins. While there were many genres of literature throughout the thousand years or so of the so-called "medieval period," from the highly religious hagiographical (saints' lives) stories to the highly sensational Medieval Romances, most stories that involved the "medieval tragedy" followed a pretty strict formula:

 

A good, noble-hearted, stalwart knight/prince (almost always male, though occasionally female) is universally adored by the people, is living the most charmed life possible (with loving parents and/or siblings if a kid, or a loving wife and kids as an adult), and/or is next in line for the throne. But then an evil, traitorous false friend (Howe) or conniving, usurping relative (Bhelen) either murders their whole family (if a prince), and/or gets them exiled, and/or usurps the throne when they should have inherited. ("Oh, your dad just died? Well, I'll just throw your six-year-old self into the dungeon and ease myself/my son onto the throne instead of you.") Then they usually find themselves having to escape and/or go into exile. They're then raised in poverty (if a child) or live in poverty (if an adult) for a while, although usually their inborn noble qualities tend to be quickly apparent to those around them, and they tend to gain the notice of another king/noble from a neighboring kingdom, and get promoted to a high position of steward or knight or whatever by that good king/noble. If it's a prince and he's not married, you know he's going to meet and fall in love with the story's heroine, a princess of the said neighboring kingdom (usually the daughter of his patron king/noble) who has a generous inheritance of her own. By the end, the usurped prince always, always, always exposes, fights, and defeats their evil false friend / usurping relative. They then regain all the lands and titles they lost and then some, while also retaining all the new allies, lands, titles, etc. that they earned through merit while in exile. By the end they're filthy rich, universally beloved, marry the princess (and thus gain her inheritance through marriage--usually a second kingdom), and live happily ever after.

 

Does this sound like the Human Noble Origin? I hope so, because that's what it is. 

 

Now, I know the Medieval Tragedy hasn't quite left the public conscious. We still have the "Riches to Rags (to Riches Again)" trope in popular culture (although that's not quite as popular as "Rags to Riches" these days since today's audience love underdogs). Many classic British authors loved writing about heroes and heroines from good families who were somehow separated or fell on hard times, but then discovered long-lost rich relatives and then were restored to their rightful wealth and privilege before the end. (Charles Dickons especially loved writing about lost/abandoned little boys who meet long-lost rich relatives who take them in and insure they don't have to struggle anymore--something I'm sure he wished happened in him in real life.) We've also got the "Rightful King Returns" trope, most famously Aragorn, Son of Arathorn reclaiming his rightful throne to Gondor from the "lesser" steward family of Denethor, Boromir, and Feremir.

 

Heck, most people compare the Human Noble Origin's story to that of Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride; their family is killed by a dastardly villain (who is also the right hand to the story's main villain), they spend most of the story seeking revenge, then they kill the bastard, avenge their family, and all is good in the end.

 

I had to point out the Medieval Tragedy, though, because of how closely it follows the formula; especially for Medieval Romances (moreso than other medieval genres). The Couslands are one notch below royalty, and they have the idealized "perfect noble family who is universally adored by their subjects and fellow nobles alike" thing going, then they're horribly betrayed, slaughtered, and usurped by a diabolical, one-dimensionally evil false friend. The Human Noble, like the medieval fallen prince (especially from Medieval Romances) is then stripped of their privilege, plunged into destitution, and swears revenge against the villain for their slaughtered family. The HN then works their way back up the Wheel of Fortune (by becoming a Grey Warden, working to stop the Blight, allying with people that Howe and Loghain screw over), finds a fellow noble who allies with them (Arl Eamon), meets a potential, currently unmarried heir to the Ferelden throne (Anora for male Couslands, Alistair for the female Cousland), then they avenge their family by slaughtering the traitorous villain (by murdering Howe), then by the end (no matter what) they gain back all the ancestral lands, privileges, and titles they lost and then some. Not only that, but they also keep all the prestige, land, and titles they won through their own merit while in disgrace (recognition as Warden-Commander of Ferelden, Hero of Ferelden, Royal Boon that isn't wasted on asking for the crown, so you can also ask for the Teyrnship of Gwaren or whatever), and then they can also marry the Ferelden heir (Anora for male Couslands, Alistair for females) and gain their spouse's status as King/Queen of Ferelden on top of getting back all their family's lost lands and titles. Typical "Medieval Tragedy / Medieval Romance" happy ending.

 

What I find funny, though, is how the Dwarf Noble story alone deconstructs / subverts the medieval tragedy, while the Human Noble plays it completely straight. The Dwarf Noble is also betrayed and exiled by a scheming, usurping false friend (their younger brother Bhelen), stripped of their privilege and title, and exiled from home. However, any hope the Dwarf Noble might have had of getting revenge on their brother and reclaiming their right to the throne are soon disappointed. The Dwarf Noble can only gain revenge by proxy by supporting another noble against their brother rather than gunning for the throne themselves (you have to support Harrowmont against Bhelen, Harrowmont doesn't support you against him), and you NEVER gain back your lost birthright.

 

Sure, as everyone points out, the Dwarf Noble becomes a Paragon at the end, which is seen as even greater than a king/queen. However, this doesn't fit the typical Medieval Tragedy. Like I said twice, the "Medieval Tragedy" always involves the afflicted noble not only getting to keep the prestige they gained through merit while in exile (if they aren't martyred soon after at the end, in the case of saints' lives), but also regaining their original inborn privilege and birthright. If the Dwarf Noble Origin was a typical Medieval Tragedy (like the Human Noble is), then Bhelen would have been portrayed as a one-note villain who makes Orzammar worse instead of better while in power (which he is not, on either account), you could have denounced and killed him for his crimes, and then you could have regained your birthright as heir to the throne, and the game would have ended with the Dwarf Noble having the option to become the King/Queen of Orzammar AND a Paragon... Much like how the Human Noble playthrough ends with you not just restoring the Cousland family's lost lands and titles (as Fergus is Teyrn of Highever no matter what by DAI) AND getting the option to become King/Queen of Ferelden. The game doesn't subject Cousland to "you can have this but not that," it lets you have "both this AND that," which is the typical happy ending of Medieval Romances.

 

If I sound bitter, it's because I am. 

 

However, I am exceedingly fond of medieval literature (it's so goofy! And so predictable once you learn the typical plot and stock characters of each genre), and I was pretty excited to learn the stock plots of the typical Medieval Tragedy (especially from Medieval Romances) matches that of the Human Noble Origin.

 

I'm still not a fan of the human noble origin (and you can hate me for it, I don't care), but I thought it was fun to learn it's an homage to the typical medieval tragedy (especially of Medieval Romances), and if you're a Cousland fan I thought you might find it fun to learn too. The more you know.  :)

 

Very neat post!  The neat thing about the Dragon Age series is the way it blends in the Medieval literary tradition as well as various aspects of European history.  There, of course, is plenty of inspiration from Tolkien, but Tolkien himself was also inspired by Medieval literature (not to mention the period history he himself lived through).  It would be difficult not to believe that Medieval lit and history majors weren't involved in the development of the DA universe.  (Anyone know what David Gaider's educational background includes?  Any other prominent influences for DA who collaborated with Gaider?)

 

Loghain is a farmboy. He's just a hero that went bad. It kind fits the old adage.. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain."

 

I agree about Cousland, but they screwed it up. The example would have worked well had Bioware actually made some consequences to the dark ritual. Magical sex rites with witches in the dark of the night. A classic downfall...... that never came.

 

The whole "Dark Ritual" thing bugs me.  Morrigan is a generally unsympathetic character.  Unless you play your Warden as self-absorbed and possibly evil, you are forever ignoring Morrigan's advice throughout the various quests even as you rely on her abilities as a witch.  (She plays Devil's Advocate throughout by being a real she-devil!)  But then at the end, she offers the DR as an alternative to the US, and you're supposed to trust her?  Interesting that you're not allowed to talk about this proposition with Riordan.  Shouldn't your choice of the DR lead to consequences with the Grey Wardens?  An internal investigation or whatever?

 

Sadly, if you do choose to make the US, the ending is pretty lame.  My hunch is that the elven song Leliana sings, "In Uthera," was originally intended to be played in the wake of the US.  But then the developers copped out, worried that no one would ever hear the song if they selected the DR, which seems to have become the preferred ending.



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Actually it is a common trope in any literiture, not just medieval Europe, but in Asia too. It is because we human do going through in an era where there are social classes such being presented in medieval time, everywhere, and similar to eachother. So it is just a common psyche for human to create such story about a noble who lost his/her nobility, betrayed by friend, then take revenge and then live hapily ever after...

 

There will be such story in any culture...some are real events and some are just fairy tales/folks story. You know medieval peoples work hard for living, so they want a dramatic stories to fill in their leisure time, unlike us today...so they want a NOBLE who gong through hardship the same as them by loosing nobility, living like ordinary people, to understand the hardship in life...it also create sympathy, even though the story is a about a noble, but the sympathy it created buying the listeners by downgrading the noble into their status, so when the noble reclaim his/her nobility, it is a different than just being born noble, that character now being viewed as worthy to be respected by common folks...it is a tale worth to listen....

 

After all...living hapily ever after is what common folks dream on everyday in their hard life...as well as being a noble...



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You know medieval peoples work hard for living, so they want a dramatic stories to fill in their leisure time, unlike us today

 

They really didn't work that hard though. No electricity meant months off, for one. I'd happily trade that for some of the crap people go through today.. or ever since the industrial revolution. People have more individual rights and ownership, but as employees, taken for granted.

 

 

But your point still stands. Nobles worked less, usually.



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Well at the very least, Kieran would become his heir then...

If the boy is a mage, then you are out of luck.



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If the boy is a mage, then you are out of luck.


Yeah, I know. But I don't image my King Cousland having kids with Anora though.

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IThe Couslands are very similar to the Trevelyans.


It's the opposite way around. And I don't even like Trevelyan too terribly much, to tell ya to the truth.

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The Couslands are actually powerful. Trevelyans are some obscure family from the Free Marches.

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The Couslands are actually powerful. Trevelyans are some obscure family from the Free Marches.

 

The Free Marches are just different. Every locale runs itself, instead of a big kingdom like Ferelden or Orlais. I guess you could say the Free Marches itself are obscure though.



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I've actually read that whole Mary Sue Cousland thing you wrote Revassan, and I laughed for a while when you threw up at how sparkly clean their honor was. Here, this might amuse you: 

 

(Howe looks at Bryce talking to his daughter) "Oh look, if it isn't Bryce Perfect, oh I'm sorry, I meant Cousland. And here we are with the perfect Couslands in their perfect castle with their perfect family and their perfect reputation. Nothing but absolutely perfect little lives for each and every single perfect Cousland. Isn't that just so bloody perfect? It makes me want to burn their perfect little ancestral home to the ground."

 

I actually never saw them as perfect. I realize that doesn't help. If you'd like, I could explain why I don't see the Couslands that way


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Loghain is a farmboy. He's just a hero that went bad. It kind fits the old adage.. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain."

 

But if you chose to have Loghain join the Wardens and do not sacrifice him to the Archdemon, sparing him an easy way to martyr himself and redeem his name, the ten years between Origins and Inquisition end up serving as his redemption arc where he tries to atone for his actions.

 

If you chose to leave him in the Fade in Inquisition, instead of being a death seeker like in Origins, he goes out as someone who has worked hard to become a hero again, despite being vilified by everyone including his own comrades.

 

Seriously, Loghain has a really great arc if you keep him alive.


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But if you chose to have Loghain join the Wardens and do not sacrifice him to the Archdemon, sparing him an easy way to martyr himself and redeem his name, the ten years between Origins and Inquisition end up serving as his redemption arc where he tries to atone for his actions.

 

If you chose to leave him in the Fade in Inquisition, instead of being a death seeker like in Origins, he goes out as someone who has worked hard to become a hero again, despite being vilified by everyone including his own comrades.

 

Seriously, Loghain has a really great arc if you keep him alive.

 

Ugh... you're tempting me to play again... after I just finished.

 

Maybe one day. You're not the only one who says his cameo is good.



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Couslands origin mary sue!

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But if you chose to have Loghain join the Wardens and do not sacrifice him to the Archdemon, sparing him an easy way to martyr himself and redeem his name, the ten years between Origins and Inquisition end up serving as his redemption arc where he tries to atone for his actions.

 

If you chose to leave him in the Fade in Inquisition, instead of being a death seeker like in Origins, he goes out as someone who has worked hard to become a hero again, despite being vilified by everyone including his own comrades.

 

Seriously, Loghain has a really great arc if you keep him alive.

 

Agreed. I put a Loghian in one of my games  :D  It was fun! I killed Hawke to save Loghain actually...



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But if you chose to have Loghain join the Wardens and do not sacrifice him to the Archdemon, sparing him an easy way to martyr himself and redeem his name, the ten years between Origins and Inquisition end up serving as his redemption arc where he tries to atone for his actions.

 

If you chose to leave him in the Fade in Inquisition, instead of being a death seeker like in Origins, he goes out as someone who has worked hard to become a hero again, despite being vilified by everyone including his own comrades.

 

Seriously, Loghain has a really great arc if you keep him alive.

 

And if he lives the rest of the Southern Wardens look to him for leadership and he possibly leads another rebellion to change the Wardens from within. It's poetic how Loghain's arc goes if you keep him alive.


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