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[aoibhealfae]

Well you basically promised her to save Thessia on Menae which you only see if you had Garrus killed. (Yes, Mac Walters, you want us to care about Liara and a planet with blue babes. We get it.) but still that's the main reason why you have to mope.

[Vilio1]

Liara is kinda right though. Even the Kodiak with it's portable BFG would have been helpful. Using it also seemed to work well enough to support Koris on the ground while geth were firing rockets up at the shuttle. Realistically, Shepard could have called in the shuttle or the Normandy for air support on several missions. Nothing cringe-worthy, in my opinion.

[themikefest]

Liara is kinda right though.

She wasn't. Her species waited till the last minute to do anything. It was too late at that point for any reinforcements. The whole area was overwhelmed. Had the asari pulled their tentacles out of their fifth point of contact, and called for help a lot earlier, its possible it would've made a difference. Since they chose not to, that opportunity was taken away
 

Even the Kodiak with it's portable BFG would have been helpful.

No it wouldn't. It would most likely of been shot down by a harvester
 

Using it also seemed to work well enough to support Koris on the ground while geth were firing rockets up at the shuttle.

Because it works for one mission you assume it will work for the mission on Thessia? As I've said. If the asari made an effort to ask for help earlier, it may of been possible
 

Realistically, Shepard could have called in the shuttle or the Normandy for air support on several missions.

What missions would that be?


As far as the line of dialogue goes, it was pathetic. She mentions the next time we go to war. Why? Lets finish the one against the reapers first. Idiot. When she mentions the Alliance can spring for air support. Yeah right. She's covering up her own pathetic species stupidity and passing the blame to the Alliance. Or at least humanity since the Alliance is human.

That line called for a renegade interrupt mixed with some very harsh language and violence.

[Vilio1]

The asari joined Hackett's/Shepard's alliance after the citadel coup, there would have been more than enough time to send reinforcements and it would have made a lot more sense than the "take back Earth" crap we got (sending some dreadnoughts was even an option in the leaked script. Unfortunately, the conversation was cut because "This isn't about strategy or tactics", I guess). Humanity's contribution to the war was being sat on by the Reapers and the Human government attempting a galactic coup, at least the alliance would have done something useful because Thessia or even Palaven are both worth thousands time more than Earth in the war effort. Additionally the Asari put up much more of a fight against the Reapers than the Alliance did, we actually could have won the battle because the asari fleet alone forced the Reapers to remain on the defensive for some time.

And there is absolutely no reason why Shepard couldn't have called in Cortez or Joker to knock that gunship or some harvesters out of the sky, especially because the kodiak (one of them is already on the planet anyway!) uses the same technology as the Normandy itself, so it can still evade sensors.

[themikefest]

The asari joined Hackett's/Shepard's alliance after the citadel coup, there would have been more than enough time to send reinforcements and it would have made a lot more sense than the "take back Earth" crap we got (sending some dreadnoughts was even an option in the leaked script. Unfortunately, the conversation was cut).

True for a lot of stuff that was cut . Still what the game has is the asari waited till the last possible minute. Its was already too late at that point.
 

Thessia or even Palaven are both worth thousands time more than Earth in the war effort.

You go ahead and believe that. The Alliance contributed more to the war effort than both homeworlds combined.The asari sit back and make no effort to show up at the summit. Don't do nothing until after Shepard saves the asari councilor's backside during the coup. Yeah. They aren't worth crap.

 

The turians are worth something. They put up a good fight against the reapers. Better than anyone else
 

Additionally the Asari put up much more of a fight against the Reapers than the Alliance did,

I doubt they would've lasted if the reapers attacked Thessia first instead of Earth
 

we actually could have won the battle because the asari fleet alone forced the Reapers to remain on the defensive for some time.

They may of won a battle, but not the war. Again. How well would they of done if the reapers attacked Thessia first?
 

And there is absolutely no reason why Shepard couldn't have called in Cortez or Joker to knock that gunship

What gunship? You mean Leng's gunship? Again. If the asari pulled their tentacles out of their fifth point of contact, its possible Steve could've stop it. But no. The asari have to wait till the last minute to cry like little babies that they have something on their homeworld that might help.
 

or some harvesters out of the sky, especially because the kodiak (one of them is already on the planet anyway!) uses the same technology as the Normandy itself, so it can still evade sensors.

Remember what happened to Steve over London? The same thing would've happened on Thessia. There were a lot more harvesters on Thessia than on Earth.

 

Either way. That line of dialogue from the asari was pathetic.

[Iakus]

Ashley Williams' ME3 outfit.

[MrFob]

Haven't read the entire thread but a nice one is when Joker cracks his knuckles with an audible sound just before we enter the battle above Rannoch. It makes me wince more than cringe actually, the poor guy just broke his own fingers after all.

[aoibhealfae]

The first Asari who offered Shepard help was Aria T'Loak who gave you part of the Terminus Fleet and she gave you more if you do her Omega DLC. This was even before the turian offer their support which they withheld until after tuchanka. Then, Matriarch Aethyta who would only offer her commando if you make Liara talk to her and this must happen before Tuchanka arc. 

 

While the galaxy burn, the Asari choose to wait it out, thinking others would fight the war for them (as they did with the Rachni and Krogan) and thinking they're safe until its too late. Even if they contribute to some help to your fleet after the coup, this is still MONTHS after Palaven and Earth being under heavy attack and occupied by the Reapers. Thessia was already lost the moment you step onto the planet. They are in no position to demand or entitled to anything from humanity or Shepard (even if you're in romance with one of their own). They should have given a thought about offering Shepard the VI as a bargain to help their territory.. but nope, too arrogant for that.

[DeathScepter]

Ashley Williams' ME3 outfit.

 

True it is very cringe worthy.

 

 

To Mikefest, you point out why I can't take Liara seriously.

[Vilio1]

True for a lot of stuff that was cut . Still what the game has is the asari waited till the last possible minute. Its was already too late at that point.
 
You go ahead and believe that. The Alliance contributed more to the war effort than both homeworlds combined.The asari sit back and make no effort to show up at the summit. Don't do nothing until after Shepard saves the asari councilor's backside during the coup. Yeah. They aren't worth crap.
 
The turians are worth something. They put up a good fight against the reapers. Better than anyone else
 
I doubt they would've lasted if the reapers attacked Thessia first instead of Earth
 
They may of won a battle, but not the war. Again. How well would they of done if the reapers attacked Thessia first?
 
What gunship? You mean Leng's gunship? Again. If the asari pulled their tentacles out of their fifth point of contact, its possible Steve could've stop it. But no. The asari have to wait till the last minute to cry like little babies that they have something on their homeworld that might help.
 
Remember what happened to Steve over London? The same thing would've happened on Thessia. There were a lot more harvesters on Thessia than on Earth.
 
Either way. That line of dialogue from the asari was pathetic.

The point is that saving Thessia would be the more strategically viable choice, especially because we don't know what the crucible does exactly and because putting all your eggs in one basket is stupid. Thessia has the most element zero reserves in the galaxy and a direct mass-relay access to the Citadel. After losing Thessia you have the Reaper Fleet on the doorstep of the Citadel (which controlled the mass relay network), and we see how that ends. And it wasn't too late. The asari councilor was against that stupid "take back Earth" plan because they had their own problems (the Reapers attack Illium right when they are taking earth and attacking Palaven), and because any counter-offensive at the beginning of the war would have concluded with a disastrous defeat:

"Persistent rumors suggest that Udina might have been a high-functioning victim of Reaper indoctrination. His actions played right into the Reapers' plans: even if the coup failed, it would damage Citadel governance. If it succeeded, his plan to retake Earth would likely have turned into a military blunder that Council forces could ill afford. However, there is no direct evidence of his indoctrination, nor obvious opportunity. It is more likely that Udina acted out of desperation, and in doing so, cost humanity its councilor."

But we know their forces cooperated with humans and turians on other worlds even before the citadel coup. They pledged their help even though you couldn't do anything about their worlds, without demanding the commitment of major resources to their defence, or the resolution of unrelated matters.

Cortez is shot down by reaper forces in London, where they are the most concentrated. But he has obviously no problems to evacuate Shepard and her squad on Thessia, which means there is no reason why he couldn't destroy that gunship. But as I've said, it's not the only time where some air support could have been useful. Why didn't the Normandy just blasted Balak's ship out of the sky in ME1? Or Vido's ship during Zaeed's mission? Seriously, it would be lovely to have actual air support on missions instead of everyone just chilling up in orbit watching porn as 3 people battle for their lives. Liara is right.

[themikefest]

Cortez is shot down by reaper forces in London, where they are the most concentrated.

As true as that is, it doesn't apply to harvesters. There were more of them on Thessia than on Earth that is seen in the game.
 

But he has obviously no problems to evacuate Shepard and her squad on Thessia, which means there is no reason why he couldn't destroy that gunship.

And if the asari had revealed the artifact earlier, that might of happened or Shepard may of beaten Cerberus to Thessia. Right? But that opportunity was taken away the moment the asari decided not to reveal the artifact earlier
 

But as I've said, it's not the only time where some air support could have been useful. Why didn't the Normandy just blasted Balak's ship out of the sky in ME1? Or Vido's ship during Zaeed's mission?

Both are dlc. So not everyone may play them in their playthrough.
 

Seriously, it would be lovely to have actual air support on missions instead of everyone just chilling up in orbit watching porn as 3 people battle for their lives.

Watching porn? Why would they be watching porn? So if I don't take Liara to deal with Balak, she's back on the SR1 watching porn?
 

Liara is right.

You would say that no matter how wrong she was in whatever she says.

She is an idiot for saying the next time we go to war. She passes the blame to the Alliance with her Alliance can spring for air support comment.

I would've added a renegade interrupt because of that line of dialogue

[MrFob]

 

And if the asari had revealed the artifact earlier, that might of happened or Shepard may of beaten Cerberus to Thessia. Right? But that opportunity was taken away the moment the asari decided not to reveal the artifact earlier

 

I have to say, in any replay, the fact that the asari do not reveal their beacon makes me cringe during the early-game council scene these days. There is really no reason for them to hold back. I can understand that they don't want to help the war effort and want to concentrate on their own defense, I can even understand that they don't want to attend the war summit because they think it's pointless (although I think, being the species that always says of themselves to be the best diplomats in the galaxy, that's already a stretch).

 

But the beacon? Sure, it would have been a political embarrassment to admit that they withheld it all this time but to my knowladge, there was no law, requiring them to hand it over, so it wasn't technically illegal. The reapers just destroyed two major powers in the galaxy and Tevos says they are encroaching on even the asari's borders. Now in comes Shepard (together with one of the foremost prothean experts in the galaxy) and they show plans for a prothean weapon, specifically designed to hurt this immense threat. It wouldn't have cost the asari anything to let the Normandy quickly swing by Thessia and let the guy with the prothean cypher take a look at the dam thing. It's not even diplomacy, it's only in their own best interest.

 

The asari in ME3 are not only immensely uncooperative to the point where they threaten the entire galaxy, they are just downright stupid.

[Vilio1]

As true as that is, it doesn't apply to harvesters. There were more of them on Thessia than on Earth that is seen in the game.
 

And if the asari had revealed the artifact earlier, that might of happened or Shepard may of beaten Cerberus to Thessia. Right? But that opportunity was taken away the moment the asari decided not to reveal the artifact earlier
 

Both are dlc. So not everyone may play them in their playthrough.
 

Watching porn? Why would they be watching porn? So if I don't take Liara to deal with Balak, she's back on the SR1 watching porn?
 

You would say that no matter how wrong she was in whatever she says.

She is an idiot for saying the next time we go to war. She passes the blame to the Alliance with her Alliance can spring for air support comment.

I would've added a renegade interrupt because of that line of dialogue

 

Where do you get that idea from? We're told several times that the largest concentration of reapers is in London. Anderson also mentioned that there was something big going on in London somewhere midgame. But even if you don't want to risk any kodiak shuttles, why not use the Normandy? We use the ship to evacuate two people after the beam run when Harby just sits there, destroying some harvesters shouldn't be a problem. I seriously doubt they could penetrate the Normandy's shields, especially if upgraded. And considering we destroy a harvester with hand weapons the Normandy's main gun canon should be enough to one-shot them.

What does that have to do with anything? There wouldn't even be a war if humans had let council experts study the ruins on mars as it was requested. Honestly, we don't even need the artifact or the VI on Thessia: all Vendetta says is that we have to connect the Crucible to the Citadel. This isn't something we can figure out for ourselves? I mean, a casual observation that the crucible's docking clamps happened to be equal in length to the diameter of the Citadel ring would have sealed the deal. I guess the writers wanted a misison on Thessia and couldn't think of any good reason to visit the planet. That's why we got this crap storyline that makes no sense. Why wasn't Vendetta (or any Prothean beacon) programmed to simply wait out until the Reapers left and then tell the Asari (or any other race) all about the Crucible so they could built it before the Reapers came. But no, Vendetta even says it was programmed to withhold the information (if you are lucky enough to activate the thing).
 
Your point? I played the DLC and I've not the faintest idea why one of the most advanced ships in council space couldn't stop some batatians leaving an asteroid.

I was referring to Joker's porn collection EDI mentioned.

That would make Shepard an hyporcitical idiot. We spend the entire game arguing that every species should pull their fleets away from their own worlds in order to save Earth. Again, why are we asking the Turians, Salarians and Asari to abandon their own worlds and losing everything to try and liberate a planet that holds no strategic value in the grand scheme of the galaxy? Liara on the other hand is only asking for some air support in a situation where it would make tactical sense. In addition, she's sacrificed a lot of years supporting Shepard as a crewmate, rescuer, and personal Shadow Broker - time that she could've used to better warn or prepare her people - time she wouldn't have lost had the Alliance not swept everything under the rug when Shepard died.

[themikefest]

Where do you get that idea from? We're told several times that the largest concentration of reapers is in London. Anderson also mentioned that there was something big going on in London somewhere midgame. But even if you don't want to risk any kodiak shuttles, why not use the Normandy? We use the ship to evacuate two people after the beam run when Harby just sits there, destroying some harvesters shouldn't be a problem. I seriously doubt they could penetrate the Normandy's shields, especially if upgraded. And considering we destroy a harvester with hand weapons the Normandy's main gun canon should be enough to one-shot them.

I'm not denying the largest force of uglies were on Earth. I said, from what the game shows, more havesters are seen on Thessia. Right?
 

What does that have to do with anything? There wouldn't even be a war if humans had let council experts study the ruins on mars as it was requested.

Could say the same about the asari not turning over the artifact when the law was put in place. Right?

Everyone knew about the archives on Mars, including the council. That can't be said about the artifact on Thessia.
 

Your point? I played the DLC and I've not the faintest idea why one of the most advanced ships in council space copuln't stop some batatians leaving an asteroid.

And you bring up a dlc that's not required and for some, may never of played. So those folks have no idea what you're talking about.
 

I was referring to Joker's porn collection EDI mentioned.

That's why you mentioned everyone.
 

That would make Shepard an hyporcitical idiot. We spend the entire game arguing that every species should pull their fleets away from their own worlds in order to save Earth. Again, why are we asking the Turians, Salarians and Asari to abandon their own worlds and losing everything to try and liberate a planet that holds no strategic value in the grand scheme of the galaxy?

What does this have to do with anything?
 

Liara on the other hand is only asking for some air support in a situation where it would make tactical sense.

Asking? What are you talking about? She said the next time we go to war, which is a stupid thing to say on her part. Then say maybe the Alliance can spring for air support. She wasn't asking for now, she mentioned for the next time there's a war.

Why did she say Alliance? Why not turian air support?
 

In addition, she's sacrificed a lot of years supporting Shepard as a crewmate, rescuer, and personal Shadow Broker - time that she could've used to better warn or prepare her people - time she wouldn't have lost had the Alliance not swept everything under the rug when Shepard died.

No one forced her to chase the shadow broker. Right? She wasted 2 years instead of trying to find a way to stop the reapers after the SR1 was destroyed

I don't call her a crewmate. I had no choice in having her on the Normandy. I just refer to her as some asari that's on my ship.

The rescuer thing could've been done by Cerberus without having Liara involved at all. Don't know why she had to be. But she handed Shepard's corpse to Cerberus. Made no effort to tell anyone, especially Shepard's mother, if playing as a spacer. Even takes the armor from Shepard's corpse and displays it like its some kind of trophy. I like to hear the answer for that one.

Her being the shadow broker doesn't mean much. I wasn't impressed. Granted, she's only been the shadow broker for a short time.

 

Yes the Alliance turned the other cheek about Shepard's death and swept stuff under the rug, but it didn't help that Liara made no effort to tell anyone about what happened to Shepard's corpse. It also didn't help that the ME1 characters, the one's who were at Shepard's side chasing Saren, made no effort to find a way to stop the reapers. They just scattered all over the galaxy like nothing ever happened.

All that has nothing to do with the comment she made on Thessia.

That comment was crap. She was an idiot to mention the next time we go to war. And then passes the blame to the Alliance when she says maybe the Alliance can provide air support. She's only protecting her pathetic species to make it look like its the Alliances fault. Idiot.

Again. I would've added a renegade interrupt for that comment

[Linkenski]

The Citadel was really a Reaper-controlled device, but they needed to send a Reaper to the Milky Way to flip the "on" switch.

To be fair the Keepers were used to flip the switch and we can assume the Citadel couldn't normally control itself (without the Crucible) and the Keepers were disabled by the protheans.

[iM3GTR]

I was referring to Joker's porn collection EDI mentioned.

Yes, all sextillion bytes of it.

[Artona]

Romances in the entire trilogy.

"Sexy" outfit of dancers in Purgatory, Afterlife, Chora's Den. God, that was hideous.

Kai Leng, and especially showdown on Thessia.
Fun enough, during one of my playthroughs, I got really glorious bug - after using some biotic power on Kai Leng he just dropped on the ground and his model started doing frantic rag-doll shivering like when you fall in multiplayer; he would just lie with one bar of health, doing nothing. I had to reload, obviously, but in my headcanon in that playthrough Shepard simply managed to defeat Kai Leng and get prothean VI. 
 

 

I feel like Quarians are more like dwarves, and Asari like elves. I'm not sure what Salarians would be.

 

Asari = elves. Beautiful, magical (I mean, biotic, but you know what I mean), better than you, me and anybody else. 
Turian = dwarves. Other "older race", military, likes war, but isn't as savage as krogan, uses strategy and tactics. Have advance technology and thing for facepainting. 
Salarian = gnomes, as someone above said. Intelligent and analytical, also kinda weird. 
Krogan = orcs. Brutal, savage, other races dislike them, only care about FEELING THE BLOODRAGE and stuff. History of wars with asari and turian.
Quarian = also dwarves, but other aspect, as homeless refugees with talent for crafting stuff. 
Geth = dunno. 
Vorcha = goblins. C'mon, you don't even need to justify that.
Batarian = dunno. Soviet Union? 

[Arisugawa]

Maybe it's because I just played these two missions, but...

 

Everything said by Samara, Rila, Falere, and sometimes even Shepard in the Ardat-Yakshi monastery mission.

 

All of the dialogue feels forced and unnatural.

 

Everything said by Jacob in the Ex-Cerberus Scientists mission.

 

It's almost as though someone forgot how to write Jacob as a thoughtful soldier, and suddenly everything is about him pretending wounds don't exist and that being in combat against Cerberus somehow "feels good" despite having watched a terrible number of the people he wanted to protect die during the mission.

 

Maybe it's because I just played these missions...I dunno.

[Legion of 1337]

Let's see..

 

Much of Liara's dialogue in ME1, especially the romantic dialogue.

 

Most of the background exposition dialogue in ME1 (Shepard asking completely stupid questions the answer to which he should already know).

 

Jacob's "romantic" dialogue.

 

Donovan Hock.

 

Tali's 2nd romantic dialogue scene in ME2.

 

Jacob in ME3.

 

Patriarch's 'war cry' on Omega.

 

All the dialogue in the Omega DLC.

 

Cortez in general.

 

Joker being in love with EDI.

 

Kai Leng.

 

Yes-Man Shepard at the end.

[Female Commander Shepard]

Let's see..
 
Much of Liara's dialogue in ME1, especially the romantic dialogue.
 
Most of the background exposition dialogue in ME1 (Shepard asking completely stupid questions the answer to which he should already know).
 
Jacob's "romantic" dialogue.
 
Donovan Hock.
 
Tali's 2nd romantic dialogue scene in ME2.
 
Jacob in ME3.
 
Patriarch's 'war cry' on Omega.
 
All the dialogue in the Omega DLC.
 
Cortez in general.
 
Joker being in love with EDI.
 
Kai Leng.
 
Yes-Man Shepard at the end.

Hmm, I have to disagree. Liara's dialogue in ME1 was very fitting to her character. The romance dialogue is pretty cute. She's reserved and shy. She hasn't been in contact with a lot of people, let alone humans. It only makes sense for her to come off across as a little awkward and quirky. I wouldn't call that cringe tbh

I totally agree with Jacob.

The Omega DLC was really good. The conversations and such are different because you're conversing with completely different people. It's just a new experience. I really don't understand how it would be cringe-worthy IMO. I enjoyed it a lot.

But, about Cortez? Yeah...

[Undead Han]

 

 

Asari = elves. Beautiful, magical (I mean, biotic, but you know what I mean), better than you, me and anybody else. 
Turian = dwarves. Other "older race", military, likes war, but isn't as savage as krogan, uses strategy and tactics. Have advance technology and thing for facepainting. 
Salarian = gnomes, as someone above said. Intelligent and analytical, also kinda weird. 
Krogan = orcs. Brutal, savage, other races dislike them, only care about FEELING THE BLOODRAGE and stuff. History of wars with asari and turian.
Quarian = also dwarves, but other aspect, as homeless refugees with talent for crafting stuff. 
Geth = dunno. 
Vorcha = goblins. C'mon, you don't even need to justify that.
Batarian = dunno. Soviet Union? 

 

You could maybe compare Geth to Golems. Golems basically are fantasy synthetics. Since they exist in a fantasy universe however, they're artificial life created by magic rather than technology.

 

I think Quarians and the Asari are both comparable to elves, but to different portrayals of them. The Asari would be the Tolkienesque elves of High Fantasy, and the Quarians the downtrodden gypsies from more Low Fantasy portrayals like Dragon Age.

[Legion of 1337]

Hmm, I have to disagree. Liara's dialogue in ME1 was very fitting to her character. The romance dialogue is pretty cute. She's reserved and shy. She hasn't been in contact with a lot of people, let alone humans. It only makes sense for her to come off across as a little awkward and quirky. I wouldn't call that cringe tbh
 

What else am I supposed to call something that made me cringe? If that's not cringe I don't know what it.

 

Also the writing for the Omega DLC was amteurish as all hell. It's clearly written by the new guys who are trying to copy the style of the other writers, reusing phrases and wording that the others like to use but over and over. For example, when referring to her group, Nyreen almost always referred to them as "My people" instead of some other noun like "We" or "Us". This is a phrase usually used by the other writers when members of more tribal species refer to their own tribes or species - see the Elcor, Volus and occasionally the Krogan (and oddly by Liara in ME1) - because it's a more familial term rather than a technical term (like a species' or tribe's actual name) - but it's used sparingly to avoid sounding like a tribal stereotype, and because overuse of any word makes for boring writing. The Omega writers did not use it sparingly, and it's always very odd coming from the mouth of a Turian, who are not tribal and don't really use such terminology when referring to groups. The moral choices are hamfisted as ****, and Aria's commentary on them is childish. The dialogue in general is weird, no one speaks as if they're actual people, they always speak as if they're in pure exposition mode with no gravitas to any of the moral statements they make. The villain is terribly drawn, his supposed genius never shown and irrelevant in the face of Shepard's plot armour. Why I should hate respect this guy I'm not exactly sure, all he does is fling enemies at me until I march into his base and blow his brains out.

[Shinobu]

Robot cameltoe.

[Prince Enigmatic]

Ashley's stupid outfit and "pose" on the ME3 squad selection (which ive only seen in other gameplays and photos, I'll never let that bruja survive any of my playthroughs) is just Space Barbie. With a drag queen's face put on top. Since when does a character who actually look she is in the military suddenly decide to buy out the entire Rimmel London catalogue for ME3. Eurgh, when female characters "develop" which correlates with having to make them look vampy.

Omega DLC ruined a once good character for me, then introduced a new, great and original one in the form of Nyreen Kandros, then just take her away from us after already having her dip in and out of the narrative and game far too often for my liking. And Oleg Petrovsky was a moustache twirling villain devoid of a mwa-ha-ha-ha to really hamm up the lack of narrative.

[Sifr]

I have to say, in any replay, the fact that the asari do not reveal their beacon makes me cringe during the early-game council scene these days. There is really no reason for them to hold back. I can understand that they don't want to help the war effort and want to concentrate on their own defense, I can even understand that they don't want to attend the war summit because they think it's pointless (although I think, being the species that always says of themselves to be the best diplomats in the galaxy, that's already a stretch).

 

But the beacon? Sure, it would have been a political embarrassment to admit that they withheld it all this time but to my knowladge, there was no law, requiring them to hand it over, so it wasn't technically illegal. The reapers just destroyed two major powers in the galaxy and Tevos says they are encroaching on even the asari's borders. Now in comes Shepard (together with one of the foremost prothean experts in the galaxy) and they show plans for a prothean weapon, specifically designed to hurt this immense threat. It wouldn't have cost the asari anything to let the Normandy quickly swing by Thessia and let the guy with the prothean cypher take a look at the dam thing. It's not even diplomacy, it's only in their own best interest.

 

The asari in ME3 are not only immensely uncooperative to the point where they threaten the entire galaxy, they are just downright stupid.

 

Not only that, revealing the beacon containing an untold wealth of Prothean knowledge the moment the Alliance unveiled the plans found for the Crucible, means that everyone on board would have had a huge jumpstart on the project. It would have sped up construction time immeasurably, possibly saving billions or trillions of lives across the galaxy, when compared to the time it actually ended up taking to complete.

 

Bogarting the Beacon until the last minute, because they believed the Crucible could be finished without it and thus allowing them to continue to exploit the beacon for their own benefit, means we should not feel that sorry for the fall of Thessia. The Crucible could have been finished long before the Reapers even got anywhere near their world if they'd been up front and shared that knowledge earlier.