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[UpUpAway95]

I think the meaning of the statement is more like, "See this? The same is happening on Earth" rather than, "See this? It's twice as bad on Earth."

 

Also, the point of gathering allies isn't to head to Earth asap to fight off a Reaper attack. That would be stupid and pointless. It's to do exactly what they do: work together on a big project that has a chance of defeating the Reapers. But, in order to do that, they need resources from everyone.

 

It would have been less cringe worthy if Shepard had just said  "It's just as bad on earth... rather than going for the added drama by saying "double that for earth."  Garrus, after all, is supposed to be a friend of Shepard (potentially a love interest)... that is, the sort of Turian who would already be sympathetic to Shepard... so it wouldn't have hurt Shepard to show some consideration to Garrus' family instead.

[Vortex13]

It would have been less cringe worthy if Shepard had just said  "It's just as bad on earth... rather than going for the added drama by saying "double that for earth."  Garrus, after all, is supposed to be a friend of Shepard (potentially a love interest)... that is, the sort of Turian who would already be sympathetic to Shepard... so it wouldn't have hurt Shepard to show some consideration to Garrus' family instead.

 

 

Agreed, although I personally find the thought of Earth having it 'just as bad' as Palaven to be equally ridiculous. Out of all the species targeted by the Reapers, the Turians had it the worst, because they were one of the only ones that actually pushed back against the invasion in a straight up fight. Earth was steamrolled in a matter of hours and as a result is (relatively) intact. Palaven held out until the final push of the game, and was under heavy siege the entire time.

 

It would be like a person from France going to England during the Blitz in WWII and pointing to destruction and going, "We have it just as bad back home." Sure, their country has been invaded by a hostile force, but it isn't being bombed indiscriminately on a daily basis.

[UpUpAway95]

Agreed, although I personally find the thought of Earth having it 'just as bad' as Palaven to be equally ridiculous. Out of all the species targeted by the Reapers, the Turians had it the worst, because they were one of the only ones that actually pushed back against the invasion in a straight up fight. Earth was steamrolled in a matter of hours and as a result is (relatively) intact. Palaven held out until the final push of the game, and was under heavy siege the entire time.

 

It would be like a person from France going to England during the Blitz in WWII and pointing to destruction and going, "We have it just as bad back home." Sure, their country has been invaded by a hostile force, but it isn't being bombed indiscriminately on a daily basis.

 

I don't disagree that it seems likely that the Turians did have it worse... but I do think that Shepard would be very unlikely to see it that way in that moment or to say that outright... even to Garrus.  It's just too fresh and emotional for the characters to expect them to be completely practical and objective about it.  I suspect Bioware put in the "double that" statement to "stress" the emotional POV... something I find cringe worthy (and it could have been toned down, IMO)... but I'm obviously not as upset about it as you are, though.

[Vortex13]

I don't disagree that it seems likely that the Turians did have it worse... but I do think that Shepard would be very unlikely to see it that way in that moment or to say that outright... even to Garrus.  It's just too fresh and emotional for the characters to expect them to be completely practical and objective about it.  I suspect Bioware put in the "double that" statement to "stress" the emotional POV... something I find cringe worthy (and it could have been toned down, IMO)... but I'm obviously not as upset about it as you are, though.

 

 

Nah, not upset, just annoyed. 

 

It's funny, all the things that BioWare figured we'd feel emotional attachment to; like Earth, and vent kid; and so ramped up the feelz for those elements tended to fall short for the playerbase by and large. 

 

I felt more emotional attachment to the situation on Palven and the Citadel than I ever did for Earth. I found the Elcor diplomat far more engaging than some random kid I had dreams about. Etc. 

[themikefest]

My Shepard cared about Earth. She wasn't too worried about the Citadel, Palaven or Thessia. She knew she needed help to save Earth. So she helped them with their problems to save Earth

 

The kid was a loud of crap. In 3 games, its only that one kid that is seen. After seeing the shuttle blow up, I'm suppose to have some kind of emotional attachment to the him enough to have dreams? What makes the kid more important then the others that were killed on the shuttle? Yeah its sad that he is killed, but so were the others on that shuttle. What's surprising is Anderson doesn't say anything about why Shepard is crouched down looking in the vent and no one makes any attempt to help the kid in the shuttle like he never exists.

[Iakus]

Nah, not upset, just annoyed. 

 

It's funny, all the things that BioWare figured we'd feel emotional attachment to; like Earth, and vent kid; and so ramped up the feelz for those elements tended to fall short for the playerbase by and large. 

 

I felt more emotional attachment to the situation on Palven and the Citadel than I ever did for Earth. I found the Elcor diplomat far more engaging than some random kid I had dreams about. Etc. 

They seemed to feel the need to ratchet everything up to eleven.

[Barquiel]

I think no one wants to remove the pro-human/Earth-centrist path (this option was present way back in ME1), but it's a bit weird that a spacer or colonist background human would place Earth so high on the priority list...not necessarily that she'd place it ahead of Palaven or Thessia or any other homeworld, but that she would place it above everything so resolutely and acting like everyone else should care about Earth while their own homeworlds are under attack as well.

BW could just have added a neutral dialogue in addition to the "Earth!Earth!Earth!" version, and not even change any of the plot (we even had such options in the first leaked script). Reapers for some unfathomable reason are going after humans, and eventually will capture the Citadel and move it to Earth. Therefore, that’s where you end up fighting. No forced patriotism needed because Earth is not, never was, and was never going to be "home" for my Shepard (that's why the loss of Thessia hit her like a ton of bricks. Earth- not so much. Other Shepards were fighting to build that house on Rannoch, and so on).

[UpUpAway95]

Nah, not upset, just annoyed. 

 

It's funny, all the things that BioWare figured we'd feel emotional attachment to; like Earth, and vent kid; and so ramped up the feelz for those elements tended to fall short for the playerbase by and large. 

 

I felt more emotional attachment to the situation on Palven and the Citadel than I ever did for Earth. I found the Elcor diplomat far more engaging than some random kid I had dreams about. Etc. 

 

I'm sorry if I implied that a strong emotional attachment to earth was needed for Shepard not to say to Garrus - Hey, I think you guys have it far, far worse that Earth does"... I just don't think that Shepard would say that to Garrus because his/her orders at that point are to draw the Turians into helping "protect earth"... not to commit the Alliance to helping the Turians on Palaven.  Bioware did not need to ratchet up the emotional POV at all... an "it's the same everywhere" type statement or a statement sympathizing about Garrus' family situation would have sufficed without Shepard either sounding like a-hole or undermining his/her orders.

[Shechinah]

Nah, not upset, just annoyed. 
 
It's funny, all the things that BioWare figured we'd feel emotional attachment to; like Earth, and vent kid; and so ramped up the feelz for those elements tended to fall short for the playerbase by and large. 
 
I felt more emotional attachment to the situation on Palven and the Citadel than I ever did for Earth. I found the Elcor diplomat far more engaging than some random kid I had dreams about. Etc.

 

This is still my opinion on the matter;
 

I do still feel it was unwarranted that it became the centre piece considering the Citadel seemed to have been built up as the centre piece even past Mass Effect 1 even if it was unintentional on the part of the developers.

We visited the Citadel in each game, we could explore levels of it in each game and we did quests there in each game. This was way more than we ever experienced of Earth. I don't even think we even saw the place on-planet until Mass Effec 3.

Yeah, it seems like it could be that they assumed players would have a personal investment in Earth for being Earth but did not realize that in most fiction that tends to require building a personal connection between the place and the player for the latter to develop a personal investment in the former.

You know, when Shepard recieved the news about the Citadel in Mass Effect 3, I remember my first thoughts being towards the people like Kolyat that I knew lived there and being worried about whether or not they'd gotten away in time. After the game had ended, I was actually trying to look to see if I could find something that said what happened to them.

That was personal investment. I had and felt none of that towards Earth. Stopping the Reapers there was a professional investment; It had to be done because the Reapers were a threat but not because I cared about Earth personally.

Even when the Normandy was leaving Earth and you saw the planet, the burning ships and the Reapers descending, my thoughts were about hoping that my Shepard's mother was okay because last I knew she was stationed onboard a ship in the fleet.

that in most fiction that tends to require building a personal connection between the place and the player for the latter to develop a personal investment in the former.

[ui876will]

- Everything that involves the Asari Race

 

- Almost every scene with Cortez and Traynor

 

- Miranda's Catsuit

 

- Shepard's death scene during the beginning of ME2

 

- Illusive Man's last paragon dialogue option

 

- Kasumi's loyalty mission

 

- Jacob's romance

 

- Shep flirting with James

 

- Garrus saying "Not Right Now"

 

- Wrex mistreating Shepard almost everytime they meet

 

- Every moment involving Miranda

 

- Jenkin's death

 

- dialogues between MaleShep and Kaidan

 

And the last one,although not the most important - Kai Leng

[UpUpAway95]

Cringe worthy in a rather amusing way... Survivor background during 1st conversation with Emily Wong if Shepard asks her "Why me?"... She responds with a reference to Shepard's surviving on Akuze and then goes on to say:  "If anyone can find the worst elements of the Citadel and live to tell about it, it's you."

[aoibhealfae]

^hmm can't remember that. Are you sure its Sole Survivor and not Ruthless?

[Rascoth]

^hmm can't remember that. Are you sure its Sole Survivor and not Ruthless?

Not Ruthless. This is Ruthless' line:

"I need someone who isn't afraid to get their hands dirty, someone who'll do what needs to be done. That's you." 

 

And I found this video confirming it's Sole Survivor's line, around 1:05:

[kalasaurus]

I just replayed Arrival, and I have to say the entirety of Dr. Amanda Kenson's character.

 

*Tries to warn the Batarians*

"SHEPARD NO!"

 

"I will die never knowing the Reaper's blessings... and you, you will just DIE!!!"

 

Next to stabbing Kai Leng, shooting her was one of the more satisfying moments of the trilogy.  For a character that has such short screen time, she really managed to annoy me with her ramblings and whining.

[Melbella]

Next to stabbing Kai Leng, shooting her was one of the more satisfying moments of the trilogy.  For a character that has such short screen time, she really managed to annoy me with her ramblings and whining.

I was actually kind of glad when she ended up being indoctrinated. It meant I didn't need to feel bad about wanting to kill her and I actually got to do just that. She annoyed me from the get-go, especially when ordering Shepard around while she took forever to get the elevator working. 

[Maibhalsychofkorse]

Whenever i select a dialogue option which seems reasonable only for Shepard to say something extremely stupid, which is nowhere near what i wanted him to say...

[TheN7Penguin]

Jenkins death is like the funniest thing ever.

[iM3GTR]

Jenkins death is like the funniest thing ever.

He's the worst marine ever. Why would you walk out in the open like that?

[Iakus]

He's the worst marine ever. Why would you walk out in the open like that?

Because he's 

 

Leeroy Jenkins!!!!

[iM3GTR]

Because he's

Leeroy Jenkins!!!!

So that's what the L. is for.

[MrStoob]

- Benezia

 

"Now... die!"

 

Or was it dem pixelly scaly boobs?  

[aoibhealfae]

urgh.. now you reminded me how Asari don't have nipples. You see how low her neckline is?

[Undead Han]

urgh.. now you reminded me how Asari don't have nipples. You see how low her neckline is?

 

Neither does Ashley or Fem Shep. 

 

The devs only modeled as much detail as was necessary. Since none of the romance scenes contained anything but partial or suggested nudity, the character models aren't entirely anatomically correct. 

 

I wouldn't consider that lack of detail cringe worthy either, since those character models weren't supposed to be seen in full. People only see it by enabling fly cam.

[PoliteHanar]

-KL's polished nails

Spoiler

[aoibhealfae]

The only way to see Ashley and FemShep naked was in a love scene but even so, they look like an actual 34B. BroShep and Kaidan's dick is also a huge knob... >_> but you only see these via flycam.

 

But Benezia's boobs is the first thing you see before her face. It is cringe-worthy, it look more like flat buttocks than her boobs.