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[von uber]

Liara: Her characterization is all over the place. Her voice is awful. Her creepy stalker tendencies are awful. Her possessive crush on you is awful. The Asari are a terribly uninteresting race who also happen to be awful. She's clearly favored by the writers which doesn't help.

Sam: Her romance is a joke. Her characterization can be boiled down to a fetish for toothbrushes. She's not developed much. She's an alright person but you can cut her out of the plot and nothing would be affected.

Cortez: Only the stuff about his husband, really. Namely the crocodile tears. Other than that, he's alright. Same boat as Sam in that he doesn't add anything to the plot.

 

So a member of the 'space lesbian elves', the actual lesbian and the gay guy?

[DeathScepter]

Liara. The flat, emotionless voice. The glazed eyes. The way she was forced down our throats as lover/BFF. She creeped. Me. Out.

but she is our paragon our alien savior, she is perfect in all her ways.

 

 

 

Sidenote: she is a part of many reasons many BSN members became Humanity first or Cerberus supporters. Jehane, she is that creepy.

[DeathScepter]

Pass the popcorn.

For the record, I thought Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale were both great, though I think Meer did a slightly better job with the Renegade lines and Hale did a slightly better job with the Paragon lines.

 

 

 

I will make the Popcorn and this time Indoctrination Free.

[DeathScepter]

All of Kai Leng's scenes.

 

 

Well that is the truth, for he is very poorly written despite looking like a badass.

[Furisco]

Well that is the truth, for he is very poorly written despite looking like a badass.

I like space swords.

[DeathScepter]

I like space swords.

 

 

Me too. And space ninja as well. If he had his Retribution personality and his ME3 look also a good balance of less plot armor and more of a legit boss challenge, he might be liked more than hated.  and for the pure lolz if we had an upgrade in the Citadel DLC that allowed for a Sword Mastery and other MP abilities trees and abilities. For example, It would be funny for our shepard out kai leng Kai leng and it would be even funnier for Kai Leng said, "well played" before he died.

[Linkenski]

ME3's calibration 'jokes' fell flat for me, especially since two or three of them seemed to trigger in quick succession.

Any of those PG-13 sex scenes, with their cheesy porno soundtracks and glassy-eyed CG characters from the depths of the uncanny valley, make me cringe hard enough to rupture something. Particularly the last one in ME3 that's intercut with a vent-brat dream about self-immolation. Talk about mood whiplash.

OH GOD, FINALLY!

 

I ****** hated those lame calibration self-referential jokes. It broke my immersion and it isn't funny in the slightest. I barely even thought about that Garrus would say it in ME2 when he was out of new dialogues, but because it had become an internal fan-meme Bioware had to pander to it. It sucked ass.

[Silvery]

I mean, I (sort of) like Liara, everytime I play as Femshep I romance her, but that whole 108 year old shy and reclusive virgin thing she had going on in ME1 was cringe as *bleep*. 

 

Seriously Bioware, what the *bleep*?

 

I get you point on the virgin part, but some people are just really shy and awkward around people they do not know. Especially in this case with it being different species and cultures. 

[straykat]

Tbh, I don't really like any of the ME1 romances.. they all assume you have some connection with them... and everyone else. Everyone's infatuated with Shepard, and everyone thinks everyone is infatuated with Shepard.

 

It's kind of juvenile. And not just Liara.

[Gamemako]

That's not quite correct though. There's always a "left-behind" Reaper after a cycle. It was Sovereign during the last cycle, he never 'returned' in dark space with the rest, and was never really "sent" from there back to the Milky Way. He remained in the Milky Way (safe to assume that the same happened in all previous cycles, since other cycles were never broken, the formula probably never changed) and periodically assessed the evolution of organic life. There IS, however, the "On switch" (figuratively speaking). Which I guess can be considered cringe-worthy (story-telling wise).
 
The problem is, if it wouldn't have been necessary for a Reaper to 'activate' the Citadel manually (such as what Sovereign attempted to do in ME1) then there would have been essentially no story to tell, and the credits would have rolled right after the intro in ME1. The Reaper(s) (be it Sovereign, or any others in dark space) would have activated it automatically from any 'x' distance and there you go, everyone is dead, no trilogy worth doing out of that.
 
So really, there's no need to hug your Normandy plushie (well I admit, if I had a Normandy plushie I would hug it regardless). Rest assured that ME1's story, overall, remains the best in the trilogy.

Wasn't there the whole thing about the keepers being manipulated to prevent their action in that regard? They were the ones who were supposed to take care of that. If it's a giant mass relay which accepts external signals, those signals can be potentially copied, and the whole process fails. I interpreted it as a measure of using a less internally secure method to obfuscate the implementation rather than a more secure external method which potentially exposes the process to more attacks.

Then again, starchild throws that all out the window.

[aoibhealfae]

Tbh, I don't really like any of the ME1 romances.. they all assume you have some connection with them... and everyone else. Everyone's infatuated with Shepard, and everyone thinks everyone is infatuated with Shepard.

 

It's kind of juvenile. And not just Liara.

I thought it was way worse in ME2. You really have to force yourself on people and do stuff for them to develop attachment to you rather than letting the relationship develop naturally.  

[straykat]

I thought it was way worse in ME2. You really have to force yourself on people and do stuff for them to develop attachment to you rather than letting the relationship develop naturally.  

 

That's if you play a stupid Paragon. Always trying to rescue people and play counselor.

 

Renegade comes off more like kindred spirits.. or something. At least with Jack/Miranda/and maybe Garrus.

[aoibhealfae]

That's if you play a stupid Paragon. Always trying to rescue people and play counselor.

 

Renegade comes off more like kindred spirits.. or something. At least with Jack/Miranda/and maybe Garrus.

 

Jacob assume he's a gift to womankind. Miranda became the female perfection in a literal package. You play a minigame with Jack so you wont ****** her off. Like Liara, Tali transfer her personal grief into romantic gratitude. Thane keep having flashes of sex with his dead wife. Garrus needed a lot of convincing and reconvincing in two games that their interspecies relationship could work (reluctance that was relatively absent when he hook up with Tali). Kelly cosplay as a stripper in your cabin.

Alignment isn't an issue here. It was the execution that was terrible and very unromantic.

[straykat]

Jacob assume he's a gift to womankind. Miranda became the female perfection in a literal package. You play a minigame with Jack so you wont ****** her off. Like Liara, Tali transfer her personal grief into romantic gratitude. Thane keep having flashes of sex with his dead wife. Garrus needed a lot of convincing and reconvincing in two games that their interspecies relationship could work (reluctance that was relatively absent when he hook up with Tali). Kelly cosplay as a stripper in your cabin.

Alignment isn't an issue here. It was the execution that was terrible and very unromantic.

 

I haven't played all of them tbh. Forgot about Thane. I don't even think about Jacob. lol

 

Fine. I'm just gonna leave this at Jack and Miranda. That's all I care about really. Miranda has insecurities, but it isn't about making her beholden to your help or anything. While Jack and Renegade is about both admitting they've seen a lot of crap.. and that they should live for the moment. You could go full Renegade and be a complete tool about it, but there's a nice balance where Renegade respects her and just wants her to move on.

 

"I'll just **** you up!"

 

"Good thing I'm undead.."

[DebatableBubble]

So a member of the 'space lesbian elves', the actual lesbian and the gay guy?

Yup.

Edit: I will say this. If you want to see something that isn't there with my criticisms, you're wrong.

[ZipZap2000]

Harbinger is a kinky bastard.

“Relinquish your form to us.”

“I will show you true power.”

“The flesh is a machine.”

You will know pain.

[DebatableBubble]

It begins

And it ends. Not perpetuating this any more than it has.

[Furisco]

Jacob assume he's a gift to womankind. 

Heavy risk... But the priiize

[SKAR]

Shepard and Miranda ****** in Tali's workplace.

bow chica wow.

[Suron]

Bioware dialogue is meant to be used, not ignored. Why would choosing a dialogue option in this one instance be different from all of the other times we choose a dialogue option, not knowing exactly how Shepard is going to phrase the question? This is like the argument that Bioware doesn't need to make entertaining side content, it's the players' fault for playing boring optional content.

 

In no case should anyone be asking that question, as it's fairly obvious that of course the asari can reproduce without aliens. But it's especially egregious because we are playing as the pinnacle of humanity and are the spokesperson for our race to the other species in the galaxy. Nothing is going to make the other species see us as unworthy of joining the Council than the first human Spectre asking the most moronic basic biology question in the galaxy.

 

If the dialogue options had intelligence checks to them, and a Shepard of over X intelligence stat couldn't select this option, then fine. But there are no such stats in this game, so all Shepards should be intelligent enough to qualify for N7 training. Shepard would not have been selected as the first human Spectre if s/he was a moron, no matter how good in combat they are.

Depending on the character you're playing, no they're not "meant" to be used.  Just like a full Paragon wouldn't shoot conrad in the foot, a smart Shepard wouldn't ask that question about Asari whether it's there or not.

 

Again, it's people just being stupid about it.  They make fun of Shepard for it but don't ****** and whine about the other "options" on the wheel "their" Shepards wouldn't do or say.

 

But nice try, thanks for playing.

[Melbella]

Liara fainting every 5 minutes in ME1. The first time it sorta made sense. After that:  

[Pee Jae]

Two of my favorite face palms.
 

Jacob: I can feel it, can you feel it?

Shepard: ... I feel it.

Jacob: Believe it.

 

Uhh... I'll see ya, Jacob.

 

Anderson: I was born in London.

Shepard: Really?

 

And? .... and?

 

Anderson: The whole galaxy united!

 

*sigh*

[Undead Han]

I mean, I (sort of) like Liara, everytime I play as Femshep I romance her, but that whole 108 year old shy and reclusive virgin thing she had going on in ME1 was cringe as *bleep*. 

 

Seriously Bioware, what the *bleep*?

 

She is my favorite squadmate in the series (tied with Garrus), and I agree with every word you typed. I mostly like her in spite of how she was written in the first game. While I wish the transition between her ME1 and ME2 portrayals was better developed, I think LotSB and ME3 Liara was a massive improvement over ME1 Liara.

[themikefest]

Also Ashley's dancing at Flux. She looked like Elaine Benes.

 

That might have been the moment I decided Liara was going to be Shepard's LI.

Really? You must like the way your LI dances. Remember this?

Spoiler

[Furisco]

Really? You must like the way your LI dances. Remember this?

Spoiler

HAHAHHAHA WHAT THE ****