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[Deadly dwarf]

Her quest involves getting the heart of a white wyvern to create a potion for her dying older lover.  You also are given the option of giving her the heart of a normal wyvern and lie to her about it.  But what's the point?

 

First run through, I give her the white wyvern heart and she gave the potion to her lover and he died anyway.   Second time, I gave her the heart of a normal wyvern and he dies yet again.  But ultimately, Viv finds out and calls you out on your treachery.  (I then went back to a previous save to do things the right way.)

 

So, what's the point?  A one-time chance to be really nasty to Viv by doing something absolutely nasty and mean-spirited?  Is there some possibility, some option I missed?

[vertigomez]

Nope, it's just an opportunity to be a douche.

[Deadly dwarf]

Nope, it's just an opportunity to be a douche.

 

If you follow the "douche" route, are there any repercussions at the end?  One would think Vivienne would drop out of the Inquisition in protest?  You would think something like that would tank your approval with all other companions.

[vertigomez]

If you follow the "douche" route, are there any repercussions at the end? One would think Vivienne would drop out of the Inquisition in protest? You would think something like that would tank your approval with all other companions.

Not for this decision, no. Vivienne's the only one you get an approval loss from (Greatly Disapproves), and she doesn't ragequit over it. It's more like... a character-building decision. How petty is the Inquisitor willing to be? Are they gonna let Vivienne's lover die just because they don't like her? And then of course the kicker is that it doesn't matter anyway, it's just to show what kind of person you are.

[Fake Sergei]

If you follow the "douche" route, are there any repercussions at the end?

 

Her "betrayed" tarot card is cool, in a creepy-ass kinda way.  You only get that if you give her a fake heart.  Beyond that I've never come across any repercussions whatsoever for dibbling her, save a loss of approval.  If your approval is high enough to take the hit(s) I think she continues to call you "darling" and behave as though she respects you even if you talk to her right afterwards.

[Reznore57]

This quest is strange , I find it strange to say the Inquisitot is a douche if you give her a normal heart.

She doesn't tell you what it's for , at least I remember during my first playthrough she seemed annoyed I dared to ask and didn't give any details.

So you just might be thinking you're pranking her because well...I have no problem when someone ask for something nicely , but the whole "Inquisitor go fetch me a heart darling , my chevaliers can't do it." "Err...sure is it like important because I have a world to save you know...?" "Ahhh run along , dear .Just find me that heart will you.."

 

I didn't think after that dialogue I was on a life or death mission.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I guess the Inquisitor who gives Vivienne the ordinary heart could be a douche, or they might not trust her, or they think it's not really important and they're harmlessly pranking her, or maybe they're just lazy and/or tired of wading through a swamp looking for the Most Special Wyvern.

 

It's actually one of the choices I've not made so far. (The other is making a deal with Imshael and letting him go. Haven't made an Inquisitor who's into making bargains with demons yet.)

[nightscrawl]

Some options exist merely for role-play.

[wright1978]

Haven't played that in a while. First time round it definitely felt the writers were trying to implant a suspicion in player that her goal might be less philanhropic. I wondered if the whole age regression formula was for personal use and what she gave the duke was some placebo to ease his death.

[vertigomez]

Haven't played that in a while. First time round it definitely felt the writers were trying to implant a suspicion in player that her goal might be less philanhropic. I wondered if the whole age regression formula was for personal use and what she gave the duke was some placebo to ease his death.

I guess they were banking on the fact that the last time one of your companions asked you to gather strange ingredients for them with very little explanation, he built a bomb.

[Dai Grepher]

It's just to test you to see what kind of person you are, and also if you can be trusted. Your first meeting with her was like this as well. She used a guy that she knew would engage you violently. A guy she didn't mind killing. She used him to see how you would respond. Would you show mercy, not care, or want him dead. Just a chance to define who your Inquisitor is.

[Iakus]

Nope, it's just an opportunity to be a douche.

Yup.

 

An Inquisidouche

 

I guess they were banking on the fact that the last time one of your companions asked you to gather strange ingredients for them with very little explanation, he built a bomb.

I hadn't thought of that.  Pretty funny if that's the case, since as far as I can tell, Vivienne's agenda here is purely honorable, if ultimately doomed 

[fhs33721]

This quest is strange , I find it strange to say the Inquisitot is a douche if you give her a normal heart.

She doesn't tell you what it's for , at least I remember during my first playthrough she seemed annoyed I dared to ask and didn't give any details.

So you just might be thinking you're pranking her because well...I have no problem when someone ask for something nicely , but the whole "Inquisitor go fetch me a heart darling , my chevaliers can't do it." "Err...sure is it like important because I have a world to save you know...?" "Ahhh run along , dear .Just find me that heart will you.."

 

I didn't think after that dialogue I was on a life or death mission.

If you don't trust her motives, then just say no and refuse the quest. That is a perfectly reasonable response. However, accepting Viviennes quest just to deliberately give her wrong ingredients does indeed make your Inquisitor a petty douchebag of the highest order.

[Reznore57]

If you don't trust her motives, then just say no and refuse the quest. That is a perfectly reasonable response. However, accepting Viviennes quest just to deliberately give her wrong ingredients does indeed make your Inquisitor a petty douchebag of the highest order.

 

Why?

If she can't be bothered to explain what it's for , and can't be bothered to go along with you to check when she has nothing better to do, she's just sending you on some random errand .

Might want to teach her a lesson called "I'm not your errand boy , madam."

 

There's nothing malicious about it , why would you assume it would be something important or dangerous , ...people tends to take the time to notify you when this is the case , no?

[Marshal Moriarty]

The real problem is that surely she would only request this in the first place if her approval was high. Otherwise why would she trust you with something so important (and dangerous - a life extending potion is something that a great many people would kill to possess).

 

And if that were the case, then it would make the option to be so petty seem utterly ridiculous, as it would come from nowhere since you're clearly getting along. Given that she mentions this is something for the Council of Heralds, its also rather unwise to do something that would antagonise them without a good reason (i.e something other than being a jerk for the lulz).

[Lazarillo]

And if that were the case, then it would make the option to be so petty seem utterly ridiculous, as it would come from nowhere since you're clearly getting along. Given that she mentions this is something for the Council of Heralds, its also rather unwise to do something that would antagonise them without a good reason (i.e something other than being a jerk for the lulz).

I agree that it can seem unnatural, since she won't ask you to retrieve it unless she already likes you anyway. But as far as her justification and the Council of Heralds, you really have no proof of that, other than she said so, and the fact that she gets so defensive about telling you anything (because it rightfully turns out that she simply doesn't trust you, "high approval" notwithstanding), I think, can lead to believing she's just flat out lying about that part.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

Am I the only one who got a really uneasy feeling about that quest? I suppose it might have been done on purpose as a previous post suggested, but after seeing the alternate tarot card for Vivienne... if looks could kill!   

[MattH]

I've always disliked Vivienne's side quest, it feels very cheap and there are zero repercussions for the end result.

Personally, I'd have rather had her personal quest relate to her fallen circle and position as first enchanter, perhaps meditating the situation there, or ridding it of rebel mages and templars.

[fhs33721]

Why?

If she can't be bothered to explain what it's for , and can't be bothered to go along with you to check when she has nothing better to do, she's just sending you on some random errand .

Might want to teach her a lesson called "I'm not your errand boy , madam."

 

There's nothing malicious about it , why would you assume it would be something important or dangerous , ...people tends to take the time to notify you when this is the case , no?

The lesson "I'm not your errand boy" is taught by saying : "Stuff it Vivienne. Go get your random nonsense yourself you lazy bum." 

The lesson you are teaching her by giving her the wrong ingredinet just out of spite is: "I, the great Inquisitor, am a petty, spitelful douchebag."

 

Also how is giving someone the wrong ingredients for a magical potion (something that is supposed to be drunken by someone somewhen) not malicious? This could potentially result in it becoming poisionous (which is exactly what happens). You are basically taking the risk of potentionally poisioning or straight up killing whoever the potion is supposed to be for (Most Inquisitors probably think its for Vivienne herself or know nothing at all if they don't read that recipe next to her.) for no other reason than to spite Vivienne.

[AnimalBoy]

It's not like she's asking you to do it alone. Just bring her along and no problem.

[Reznore57]

The lesson "I'm not your errand boy" is taught by saying : "Stuff it Vivienne. Go get your random nonsense yourself you lazy bum." 

The lesson you are teaching her by giving her the wrong ingredinet just out of spite is: "I, the great Inquisitor, am a petty, spitelful douchebag."

 

Also how is giving someone the wrong ingredients for a magical potion (something that is supposed to be drunken by someone somewhen) not malicious? This could potentially result in it becoming poisionous (which is exactly what happens). You are basically taking the risk of potentionally poisioning or straight up killing whoever the potion is supposed to be for (Most Inquisitors probably think its for Vivienne herself or know nothing at all if they don't read that recipe next to her.) for no other reason than to spite Vivienne.

 

She doesn't tell you what it is ...she doesn't tell you be careful don't make a mistake and bring a normal one.

I never gave her the normal heart , but the truth is during my firstplaythrough I almost did , not out of spite , I killed a Wyvern , got a heart , thought "oh This is it , then..."

I had a doubt but thought " meh it didn't seem so important..."

I backtracked after a while because I had doubts.

But if she had told me just "It's to save someone's life .Be careful."She didn't need to give any details about her lover or whatever.Not the point.

It would never have crossed my mind to go "Meh whatever..Probably works too."

[Krypplingz]

I must admit I was quite relieved that the Snow White mentioned in the quest name was just a wyvern this time around. Did not fancy cutting out some poor gals heart out. Well you learn early that it's called snowy wyvern not Snow White, but I felt a sense of dread walking up those stairs. But the wyvern could have been a polymorphed young lady... 

 

In general giving her the normal heart is probably supposed to be a jerk move. But it can also be a prank gone wrong thinking the potion was intended for cosmetic use and would not be too harmful to it's user. Or playing on a fear of a repeat of Anders little exploding stunt. Or a nod to the fact that the huntsman in Snow White cuts out a different animals heart and lies to the queen about it. Well the disney version takes the heart, but the heart is singular and less of a variation mess if you were to give her the lungs and livers. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Her "betrayed" tarot card is cool, in a creepy-ass kinda way.  You only get that if you give her a fake heart.  Beyond that I've never come across any repercussions whatsoever for dibbling her, save a loss of approval.  If your approval is high enough to take the hit(s) I think she continues to call you "darling" and behave as though she respects you even if you talk to her right afterwards.

She calls you "darling" because she's manipulative and because she's always polite, even when being rude. It has nothing to do with liking you.

 

It's not like she's asking you to do it alone. Just bring her along and no problem.

Hmm... What if you take her with you, kill a normal wyvern, and present its heart to her as the snowy one?

 

I picture she'd look at you with an implied facepalm.

[wright1978]

Am I the only one who got a really uneasy feeling about that quest? I suppose it might have been done on purpose as a previous post suggested, but after seeing the alternate tarot card for Vivienne... if looks could kill!   

I'm still not utterly convinced it's as straightforward as presented and duke isn't just the distraction.

[nightscrawl]

If you don't trust her motives, then just say no and refuse the quest. That is a perfectly reasonable response. However, accepting Viviennes quest just to deliberately give her wrong ingredients does indeed make your Inquisitor a petty douchebag of the highest order.

 

Completely agree.

 

 

The real problem is that surely she would only request this in the first place if her approval was high. Otherwise why would she trust you with something so important (and dangerous - a life extending potion is something that a great many people would kill to possess).

 

And if that were the case, then it would make the option to be so petty seem utterly ridiculous, as it would come from nowhere since you're clearly getting along. Given that she mentions this is something for the Council of Heralds, its also rather unwise to do something that would antagonise them without a good reason (i.e something other than being a jerk for the lulz).

 

She explains it if you ask her why she is asking you. It's a dangerous mission and requires people that are competent in combat; she needs someone with "martial aptitude." The Chevaliers that she might normally use are caught up in the civil war and thus unavailable, so she asks the most competent combatant she knows: the Inquisitor. Even if she dislikes you and thinks you're an imbecilic, p*ss-poor leader, there is no denying that you kill stuf gud, or at least act as a decent meat shield so she (and others) can kill stuff.