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[UpUpAway95]

I'm actually doing a trilogy playthrough atm, and I think I know why people dislike the first one:

 

It's by far the most difficult (At least early on)

 

The save points are few and far between. if you aren't saving then dying can cost you up to an hour of progress.

 

I'm also discovering and rediscovering just how poorly made the actual story to ME1 is. The conduit is a hamfisted plot device that Saren decides he needs even though he doesn't at all. Nothing in the game suggests that he actually needed the conduit so you as a player are forced to come up with your own BS headcanon reason for why this is, usually brushed off with the vague "The presidium was too heavily defended or something..."

 

Me2 isn't as bad as I recall, the score is actually my favorite. Lots of creepy ambiance. But god damn is ME2 boring. I mean really boring! Where as ME1 had eclectic gameplay with driving sections and RPG elements, and ME3 had the relatively polished (But still pretty meh) action-shooter mechanics with lots of rolling/dodging nonsense and engaging enemy variety that all play off of themselves and your different powers, ME2 has nothing. It's the most boring mass effect out there.

 

And ME3 while not the most boring one (And thus easily better than ME2) replaying this game again has reminded me just how terrible ME3 is from start to finish for a lot of different reasons. Playing this game again reminds you just how long it takes before the game lets you off the leash to go explore the galaxy and do things at your own pace, and after the krogan bit the game -really- begins to run out of steam.

 

The whole attack on the citadel bit strikes me as filler content since it has nothing to do with anything and doesn't forward the plot at all. The geth/quarian bit though is by far the worst sans the ending and that mostly comes down to how the geth and their ships are portrayed. And you know what? I could forgive ALL of it, if it didn't fall so terribly short on the character department. Part of this is due to character bloat in general but jesus christ it's like these people forgot what it is fans play these games for. Because it's certainly not for the third rate Gears of War clone gameplay.

 

You can generally save manually (quick save) at any point where you have no enemies on radar.  The ME trilogy was set up for manual saves, unlike newer games that often don't let you save manually but have frequent auto save points.  The changes that were made in ME3 to accommodate a quicker release of the game did hurt the plot... no question.  Moving the Citadel Coup to before Thessia was a bad decision on their part. 

 

Still, it seems to me that there's little to be gained by anyone adamantly complaining about it for 4 years.  Nothing is going to be changed about it all now or ever.

[Lord Kiran]

You can generally save manually (quick save) at any point where you have no enemies on radar.  The ME trilogy was set up for manual saves, unlike newer games that often don't let you save manually but have frequent auto save points.  The changes that were made in ME3 to accommodate a quicker release of the game did hurt the plot... no question.  Moving the Citadel Coup to before Thessia was a bad decision on their part. 

 

Still, it seems to me that there's little to be gained by anyone adamantly complaining about it for 4 years.  Nothing is going to be changed about it all now or ever.

Nope. any complaining now is utterly futile and pointless as it wont amount to anything and all the negativity and vitriol for ME in the world is just ****** in the wind.

 

 

But it's fun.

 

Nit Picking isn't just a good way to point out how people just don't always have a mind for little details (Why does the new normandy have regular beds and the sleeper pods? It's almost like the 3D modeller didn't know what those were), but it's also fun! nit-picking a game to death about all the little things normal people don't give a **** about because they're too busy moving on to the next thing is just about the nerdiest past-time there is! It's why the "Things that don't make sense" thread in the lore Forum is probably the longest thread there is there.

 

And I know you're supposed to save manually in ME1, but anyone who's now used to ME3/ME2, or hasn't played it in like a year, or hasn't played an ME game before is probably going to be annoyed when they forget to quicksave after an hour of progress and lose it all because the elevator to the holdouts in the Noveria Peak 15 labs is bugged and gets you stuck.

[UpUpAway95]

Nope. any complaining now is utterly futile and pointless as it wont amount to anything and all the negativity and vitriol for ME in the world is just ****** in the wind.

 

 

But it's fun.

 

Nit Picking isn't just a good way to point out how people just don't always have a mind for little details (Why does the new normandy have regular beds and the sleeper pods? It's almost like the 3D modeller didn't know what those were), but it's also fun! nit-picking a game to death about all the little things normal people don't give a **** about because they're too busy moving on to the next thing is just about the nerdiest past-time there is! It's why the "Things that don't make sense" thread in the lore Forum is probably the longest thread there is there.

 

And I know you're supposed to save manually in ME1, but anyone who's now used to ME3/ME2, or hasn't played it in like a year, or hasn't played an ME game before is probably going to be annoyed when they forget to quicksave after an hour of progress and lose it all because the elevator to the holdouts in the Noveria Peak 15 labs is bugged and gets you stuck.

 

Well, I can think of loads of things that are more fun IMO that getting continually all worked up over ME3's endings for 4 years... and some people here are just still far too "passionate" about the whole thing.

 

I personally like having an option to manually save better than having to rely on the game to autosave everything.  That way, I can generally keep more than one save on the HD and even keep one on an alternate device.  I have really glitchy power (due to living on a farm) and have had to start games over from scratch just because the power surged or browned out while the game was autosaving.  If I can also have a manual save, chances are I've got some alternate save somewhere that at least means I don't have to start all over from the beginning.

[Lord Kiran]

Well, I can think of loads of things that are more fun IMO that getting continually all worked up over ME3's endings for 4 years... and some people here are just still far too "passionate" about the whole thing.

 

I personally like having an option to manually save better than having to rely on the game to autosave everything.  That way, I can generally keep more than one save on the HD and even keep one on an alternate device.  I have really glitchy power (due to living on a farm) and have had to start games over from scratch just because the power surged or browned out while the game was autosaving.  If I can also have a manual save, chances are I've got some alternate save somewhere that at least means I don't have to start all over from the beginning.

I'm not saying manual saves are by any means bad, but more generous auto save points would have been nice and made the game less frustrating. Because when you die and then have to start the driving section over again when you were ten minutes past that, I can totally see how people will just stop playing right there.

[MattFini]

I think back very fondly on MASS EFFECT 3 (still despise the ending, even in EC form). 

 

It was the last game I had time to fully explore before having a kid, and I played the hell out of it. As the long-awaited conclusion to my favorite game series, 95% of it did not disappoint. There are things I wish had been different: I wish Jack had been a full time squad mate, and I'm bummed that the Illusive Man became a generic villain by the end, but I was able to accept many of these things and simply enjoy the experience.

 

The game and all of its DLC is great (okay, Omega is mediocre), and while I still think the ending is a red hot mess, I usually just finish it and then play Citadel afterwards to wash the taste out of my mouth. No, it doesn't completely fit as a post-war scene, but it does feel like the thematic ending of the series and that's how I approach it.  

 

I also loved hanging out here during the ending controversy. It was pretty amazing to see most of the BSN united in that sense, and it led to some hilarious and interesting times on this board. Seriously, I'm a little nostalgic for those days three years later.  

[Dantriges]

IIRC they pointed out that there are snipers during one of the scenes. The thing with the salarian is odd and they should have probably done something like the airlock cycling sequence when entering the presidium. That you are running around fully armed is probably some design constraint.Shep is running around, loaded for bear, even in his personal bedroom on the Normandy. Ok, it´s headcanon but it´s not really a stretch to assume that even the sloppy security shown in the game would notice a famous spectre moving onto the platform, doing some weird mumbojumbo to make the terminal appear and taking his merry time, assuming direct control of vital Citadel systems.

 

I thought that Saren knew what the Conduit was, just not where it was.

[The One True Nobody]

The game definitely feels more complete with the DLC included, and also more balanced in terms of character moments after Citadel was added (before that, players who preferred the ME2 cast to the ME1 cast tended to feel left out). Add to that mods like BackOff and Recalibrated and the game can easily be elevated to "pretty effing good" status. The ending still has holes in it even with the Extended Cut, but at least it feels substantial enough to be the conclusion and gives you closure on everything you've been doing up to that point.

 

I enjoy playing Mass Effect 3. Is it as good as it could be? Hell, naw. And anyone whining about artistic integrity whenever someone points this out can screw off as far as I'm concerned. But I have a great time playing through the game either way, and I consider it worth including in my occasional marathon runs of the series. Hopefully Andromeda will be a step up, not a step down.

[TurianSpectre]

The last time I finished Mass Effect 3 was when it first came out (like many of you, I'm sure) ... and I was rather disheartened by the way the game left things (I chose to kill all the Reapers back then.) 

 

After seeing the Andromeda trailer when it first came out, I got really nostalgic and I decided to go back and do a completely 1-3 play through.  This time around, however, for ME3 I had all sorts of DLC available.

 

I quite literally just finished the game (3:25AM on a weekday, yikes), after doing all the DLC and experiencing the Extended Cut for the first time.  My feelings could not be a more polar opposite to the first time around three years ago.

 

What an incredibly delightful experience... I even choked up at some parts (even after all this time) especially during the Citadel DLC.  

 

I am re-starting again tomorrow for another full play through and with a very different Shepard in mind.  

 

I am beyond excited for Andromeda... even though I understand I probably will not be seeing any of these incredible characters again.  

 

If it's been a long time for you, I strongly suggest another play through.  By the time the credits rolled and I saw the Normandy take off after it had been repaired, I had nothing but a genuine smile and a satisfied mind.  

 

I hope they managed to get Traynor's toothbrush fixed while they were at it!

 

Cheers.

 

-R

Glad to see your enjoying the trilogy again after so long... i think ive played it to death since it came out and there are still some options and hidden easter eggs that i need to find

[TurianSpectre]

The game definitely feels more complete with the DLC included, and also more balanced in terms of character moments after Citadel was added (before that, players who preferred the ME2 cast to the ME1 cast tended to feel left out). Add to that mods like BackOff and Recalibrated and the game can easily be elevated to "pretty effing good" status. The ending still has holes in it even with the Extended Cut, but at least it feels substantial enough to be the conclusion and gives you closure on everything you've been doing up to that point.

 

I enjoy playing Mass Effect 3. Is it as good as it could be? Hell, naw. And anyone whining about artistic integrity whenever someone points this out can screw off as far as I'm concerned. But I have a great time playing through the game either way, and I consider it worth including in my occasional marathon runs of the series. Hopefully Andromeda will be a step up, not a step down.

Well said well said... brought a tear to my eye 

[Dalakaar]

buy a ps3 from a bum and play with the ahf nerds *including me*

Gee, it only took me like three months to bother poking my nose back into ME3:Genpop only to see I had responded to a post till on the front page. O.o

[SilJeff]

I managed to avoid the ending absolutely ruining the fun I had with the rest of the series, so I managed to get 13 trilogy playthroughs done by the end of 2013, but it has been too long since I last played. I need to do that again.

[LogicGunn]

I just finished a playthrough and watched all three endings. 

 

I love the trilogy, it's a fantastic story with great characters that I get so attached to. I cried when Mordin and legion gave their lives. "It's still a little raw" as Shep said at Thane's funeral. I cried then too.

 

The ending sans DLC was too fast, to bare, to erratic and incredibly shallow for such a rich storied trilogy. I really think that without DLC the last half hour of the game lets down the entire series. With DLC it is amazing.

 

I was never against the direction of the ending, I'm all for artistic freedom in gaming, even before DLC the only thing I objected to was that the chatter before by various people which led to expectations that weren't fulfilled.

 

Had there been no sound bites directly contradicting what was released I highly doubt it would have been the massive movement it was because players wouldn't have gone in expecting their choices to lead to divergent endings, rather than the convergent end that was made. And if they'd said "Whatever you choose up to that point, you will get a choice to make at the end and all three options will be animated the same way" I wouldn't have had any issue with. 

 

So 3 years hasn't changed my feelings. It's always was and still is in my top 5 game series of all time and I am 100% excited for Andromeda.

[FuriousFelicia]

..and still no problem finding games or people with lvl 1 gear in lobbies. This game will live forever.