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[Starquizer]

Hello, everyone.

 

This is my second playthrough, I am playing as Female Dalish Mage and in my previous game I was Female Human Warrior, I played as faithful (Andastrian Inquis).

 

I have read that you could be an andastrian convert but it requires more work if you are dalish.

 

How do I make this, do I simply start by telling Cassandra, I believe in the Maker, or I could tell her I believe in elven gods and if I tell her that does that prevent me from the convert further in the game ??

 

Please, advise !!

[Starquizer]

Is this the right forum to post this question ?

[Reznore57]

Is this the right forum to post this question ?

 

Yeah but honestly I don't really know about your question.

If you go "Yeah I believe in the Maker" as an elf , it works the same as it worked for humans.

But if you sometimes say yeah , and sometimes say no , not sure what line trigger the Andrastian Inquisitor seal of approval.

[Starquizer]

To tell the truth I really liked the dialogues/debates with Mother Gisselle about chantry/Andraste things, so I would like to see if an elf has some different outcome/dialogues.

 

Making my elf Andastrian from the first dialogue will give the same output as my first playthrough, don't it ?

[Abyss108]

Why would a Dalish elf want to support a religion that promotes locking away their leaders? 

[kathic]

I played my Elf mage as a believer from the start. I didn't notice much friction or mention that she was one.

[Starquizer]

I played my Elf mage as a believer from the start. I didn't notice much friction or mention that she was one.

Problem is I don't know what to say to Cassandra in the 1st dialogue, does telling her "I believe in elven gods" lock me as non-believer for the rest of the game ?

[Bfler]

Why would a Dalish elf want to support a religion that promotes locking away their leaders? 

 

Why do we have Native American and black African Christians, although their people were slaughtered and enslaved by white Christians?

[Abyss108]

Why do we have Native American and black African Christians, although their people were slaughtered and enslaved by white Christians?

 

Probably something to do with that happening a long time in the past, whilst the modern day chantry wants to lock up all the modern day Dalish leaders for being mages. 

[Dai Grepher]

Do a test run first. I doubt telling Cassandra that locks you in.

[myahele]

Like with the Dalish clans, each clan will be different. It's possible that growing up the Dalish inquisitor's belief in the Creators have been waning. Then BOOM you're in a chantry organization and everyone is calling you a Herald of Andraste.

 

So conversion in that way kinda makes sense at least initially up until Corypheus told you the truth

[Abyss108]

Like with the Dalish clans, each clan will be different. It's possible that growing up the Dalish inquisitor's belief in the Creators have been waning. Then BOOM you're in a chantry organization and everyone is calling you a Herald of Andraste.

 

So conversion in that way kinda makes sense at least initially up until Corypheus told you the truth

 

I guess it makes sense if you don't mind the thought of people murdering your leaders just for existing...   Kinda confused about why your Dalish Elf would have remained a Dalish Elf for that long if they hated their clan that much but...

[Beerfish]

Why would a Dalish elf want to support a religion that promotes locking away their leaders? 

Because their leaders have shown themselves to be total dumbasses over time?

 

I played a game as a female dalish and wanted nothing to do with as Sera so well puts it 'Elfy elves'

[Gervaise]

I don't think that first choice with Cassandra is ultra important but who knows?    I did in fact chose to say something with one of my Dalish to the effect that I was willing to believe in the Maker.   I played him as something of a rebel but really more of a cynic who said what he thought people wanted to hear.   So he thought it would keep Cassandra happy if he said he was prepared to believe in the Maker, without necessarily rejecting his own culture.    (This is where you can RP something in your head and then find it amusing to see how everyone totally believes you are sincere).   Cassandra then expressed surprise that he should say that, so I thought perhaps she realised he might not mean it.

 

There are other places though where it is important to make the right choice to be regarded as a believer.   A key one is when talking with Mother Giselle after Haven.   I think you have to choose the one where I think the prompt is "I believe but is that enough?"   You certainly don't have to accept the role of Inquisitor by doing it in the Maker's name, because my Dalish "believer" still took the elven specific option, yet was regarded as a believer subsequently, so I'm sure the Mother Giselle choice is key.   Also Vivienne (and possibly others) approve if you use an Andrastrian throne.    You will definitely know if you are regarded as such because there are certain judgements where you are given the additional option to "forgive them" in Andraste/the Maker's name.   Also you can defy Corypheus in the final battle by claiming your title of Maker's chosen, which is rather fun.

[Beerfish]

I guess it makes sense if you don't mind the thought of people murdering your leaders just for existing...   Kinda confused about why your Dalish Elf would have remained a Dalish Elf for that long if they hated their clan that much but...

Why do you think my inquis got sent into this high risk spying assignments from my clan?  No one liked her mouthing off against the 'dalish ways'

[Andraste_Reborn]

The first conversation with Cassandra doesn't lock you into being a non-believer for the rest of the game - or, at least, it didn't lock for the dwarf Inquisitor I just played who converted after Haven. Mind you, I don't know what happens if you're an elf and say you believe in the Creators there, but it probably works the same way.

[DragonKingReborn]

Isn't it the conversation with Giselle during In Your Heart Shall Burn that establishes belief or non-belief?

[DragonKingReborn]

Why do you think my inquis got sent into this high risk spying assignments from my clan?  No one liked her mouthing off against the 'dalish ways'

RPing Masterclass.

[Mistic]

Isn't it the conversation with Giselle during In Your Heart Shall Burn that establishes belief or non-belief?

 

The wiki says you're probably right (although it seems Cassandra's conversation is important too). It could be a great point to mark the "conversion", so to speak.

 

My recommendation would be to have first a doubtful Inquisitor (from Dalish-only dialogue choices, it's clear the clan didn't have much contact with humans, so having a fullfledged Andrastian Dalish Inquisitor is a bit strange). Not exactly an sceptic, but someone who can't really make heads or tails of what happened to them. Then start choosing options that suggest you're becoming more convinced by the Maker/Andraste explanation. By the time In Your Heart Shall Burn comes, you'll face one of the ancient Magisters and have that meaningful conversation with Mother Giselle. Great moment to decide that the answer is in the Maker.

[GoldenGail3]

Mine was an atheist Inquistor. He was a lucky bastard actually... My Lavellan

[Lazarillo]

Probably something to do with that happening a long time in the past, whilst the modern day chantry wants to lock up all the modern day Dalish leaders for being mages.

Because, to quote Sera, "that's not Andraste, that's Chantry". The idea that a Dalish Inquisitor might see the hand of "the Maker" in his/her survival, and have an open mind to the ideals behind Andrastianism isn't all that odd, IMO (though I never got the impression in the previous games that the Dalish, or any other Elves for that matter, actually believed in the creators, any more than modern day Greeks, at least, believe in Zeus. Although, Inquisition either changed the way it was supposed to be seen, or just made it clearer that they do.

[straykat]

Why do we have Native American and black African Christians, although their people were slaughtered and enslaved by white Christians?

 

Some of the first Christians were black.

 

It's a 2000 year old religion, dude. It didn't start in Kansas.

 

 

Anyways, I think this game demands far more than conversion. The whole thing isn't written well for other races. I'd make a Warden a convert before I touched this. And Divine Leliana seems more affected by elves she knew than Cass. It almost seems written with that in mind.

 

But whatever.

[stop_him]

I guess it makes sense if you don't mind the thought of people murdering your leaders just for existing...   Kinda confused about why your Dalish Elf would have remained a Dalish Elf for that long if they hated their clan that much but...

 

I agree. I don't find the Dalish convert to work well unless mental gymnastics are involved.

 

Of the Non-human "converts" I created:

Vunin - Paranoid elf who parrots Chantry rhetoric because she thinks the inquisition is going to kill her once the mission is completed.

Helga - Cunning Carta dwarf who uses Chantry rhetoric to manipulate the inquisition followers and bolster her own status

 

I'm playing another Dalish elf who is slowly converting because she is starting to think that MAYBE Andraste is real, but her fledgling faith will be shattered once the "Here Lies the Abyss" mission is completed

 

The only true Andrastians I've created are human, but they're both human supremacists.

[GoldenGail3]

I agree. I don't find the Dalish convert to work well unless mental gymnastics are involved.
 
Of the Non-human "converts" I created:
Vunin - Paranoid elf who parrots Chantry rhetoric because she thinks the inquisition is going to kill her once the mission is completed.
Helga - Cunning Carta dwarf who uses Chantry rhetoric to manipulate the inquisition followers and bolster her own status
 
I'm playing another Dalish elf who is slowly converting because she is starting to think that MAYBE Andraste is real, but her fledgling faith will be shattered once the "Here Lies the Abyss" mission is completed
 
The only true Andrastians I've created are human, but they're both human supremacists.

My dude simply didn't believe in gods becuase he's very logical in some weird way, me thinks.

[Vit246]

Tsk tsk. There's no need to berate others for having a Dalish lose faith in their Creators and converting to a dirty shemlen god.

As for me, My Dalish doesn't care if the "revelations" in the temple of Mythal or Trespasser demand her to disavow elven gods as gods. Her people's definition of godhood don't need to match the shemlen's and she doesn't need their one god either.