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[Addictress]

I bet somebody already posted this a long time ago in December 2014 or whatever, but I discovered in DawnlessSky's Mod Maker you can see descriptions which are apparently attached internally to the game files.

 

 

*rubs chin* 

[Deadly dwarf]

I bet somebody already posted this a long time ago in December 2014 or whatever, but I discovered in DawnlessSky's Mod Maker you can see descriptions which are apparently attached internally to the game files.

 

 

*rubs chin* 

 

Thanks for posting this!  I never saw this!  It certainly fills out some details for what happens in the cut scene and the mystery of what Flemeth's intentions were in Origins.  So, if Morrigan drinks from the well, is everything that Flemeth wanted to pass on to Morrigan passed on?  Or was some more elaborate ritual needed to more fully pass on everything to Morrigan?

 

And does that mean Flemeth is really dead this time?  After playing DA2, it's hard not to imagine she would've found some other way to continue on.

[dawnstone]

Yeah, they've been circulating for a while. Gaider said to take anything in the dev notes, particularly this bit, with a grain of salt, as things change a lot between games. I think corseque on tumblr has all of the character notes she found collected on imgur, I'll have to see if I can find the links.

 

Here we go. Check out the entry for Storvacker...

[Gilli]

Yeah, they've been circulating for a while. Gaider said to take anything in the dev notes, particularly this bit, with a grain of salt, as things change a lot between games. I think corseque on tumblr has all of the character notes she found collected on imgur, I'll have to see if I can find the links.

 

Here we go. Check out the entry for Storvacker...

 

Accent: Grizzly or Northern Brown.  

[Sah291]

Yeah I think we should take it with a grain of salt. But it doesn't really contradict anything that was shown or hinted at in the game.

The only thing that is iffy is Solas and Mythal's relationship.... It does sound like he is willing to kill anyone for his cause, but Mythal is also bent on vengeance for herself and for the world being betrayed.... So it may or may not turn out to be a good thing he if stopped her, for now. It's unclear whether that was part of his motivation in stealing her power, and if he is actually carrying out said vengeance on the world in her place...or if she was going to get in the way somehow.

As for whether she's really gone... I'll believe it when I see it. But it's very possible Morrigan will now take over the role.

[Medhia_Nox]

Yeah I think we should take it with a grain of salt. But it doesn't really contradict anything that was shown or hinted at in the game.

The only thing that is iffy is Solas and Mythal's relationship.... It does sound like he is willing to kill anyone for his cause, but Mythal is also bent on vengeance for herself and for the world being betrayed.... So it may or may not turn out to be a good thing he if stopped her, for now. It's unclear whether that was part of his motivation in stealing her power, and if he is actually carrying out said vengeance on the world in her place...or if she was going to get in the way somehow.

As for whether she's really gone... I'll believe it when I see it. But it's very possible Morrigan will now take over the role.

 

I think people misinterpret Flemeth. 

 

1) She had the power.

2) She had the time.

 

And yet, nothing about vengeance.  Yes, she's bitter... but that's different. She helps stop the Darkspawn.  She saves Hawke. 

 

I think she's bitter, still does love the world and the people in it, and thinks Solas is a tool.  

 

This makes SO much sense because she calls him "Dread Wolf" in their encounter... who calls a "friend" by a 3000 year old insult?  I think she knows he dangerous... and I think she's planned for him.

 

I think the old crone still has a trick up her sleeve (admittedly, it's name is probably Morrigan).

[dawnstone]

Accent: Grizzly or Northern Brown.  

And the Nug King... Speech pattern: SQUEAK! rofl

[Gilli]

And the Nug King... Speech pattern: SQUEAK! rofl

 

YES! I saw that too!

[myahele]

I wonder what this "godhood" could be.

 

I doubt it the Well of Sorrows since that seems to be more of a collective memories of her previous priest and of which she could control whenever she wishes.

 

The wisp that Flemeth nurtured/ merged with probably is what was taken by Solas.

 

Maybe this "godhood" could be her Orb? Since Flemythal chose Morrigan regardless then I can imagine her allow Morrigan to unlock it. 

 

But alot can change from now till DA4

[vertigomez]

Very cool. I know we can't necessarily take it at face value, but I wonder if it means that the person who drank from the Well (either Morrigan or the Inquisitor) won't be at the mercy of Mythal-absorbing-Solas?

edit: To clarify, I thought drinking from the Well basically guaranteed that the person would be on Solas's leash, whether they knew it or not, but if Solas took the "power" bit but not the "essence of her godhood" maybe it's not that simple.

[Addictress]

Oooohh so this is what people mean by "dev notes."

Sorry, people throw that phrase around assuming everyone is as tech savvy as they are.

[Abyss108]

I think people misinterpret Flemeth. 

 

1) She had the power.

2) She had the time.

 

And yet, nothing about vengeance.  Yes, she's bitter... but that's different. She helps stop the Darkspawn.  She saves Hawke. 

 

I think she's bitter, still does love the world and the people in it, and thinks Solas is a tool.  

 

This makes SO much sense because she calls him "Dread Wolf" in their encounter... who calls a "friend" by a 3000 year old insult?  I think she knows he dangerous... and I think she's planned for him.

 

I think the old crone still has a trick up her sleeve (admittedly, it's name is probably Morrigan).

 

Solas considers dread wolf to be a badge of honour so I don't see why his friends wouldn't call him it. She also refers to him as "old friend". Though I'm also not convinced they're on the same side. My money goes to Mythal in a fight.

 

Mythal does want vengeance , but not against the world, against those that betrayed it. 

[myahele]

I interpret it differently. Fen'harel was a badge of honor back in the Elvhen days. But through out the years it's meaning has deteriorated. 

 

Flemythal calls him by the modern, Thedosian language "Dread Wolf"  and not the Elvhen "Fen'harel," which leaves no room for interpretation on what she meant.

 

Anyways, Flemythal has been around for centuries, manipulating history as she says. While we don't know her plan, yet, she is aiming to preserve as much of ancient magics as possible.

 

With Garahel's bloodline + Yavana she's awakened the Queen of Dragons. She still "helps" the People (elves) and is known as "Asha'Bellanar" and they probably made deals with her.

 

With that said, Flemeth might be no more, but Mythal could still exist. 

 

I do think the "reckoning that will shake the very heavens" is probably going to be something involving the Fade, since it's always been synonymous with the Sky/Heaven in older myths. 

 

Alot of thing that Flemeth said kinda rings true like "I'm a shadow lingering in the sun" "A bit of flotsam to cling to in the storm" "A piece cast adrift"

 

But what I don't understand was that she referred herself a "fly in the ointment" ... that can't be good. Though it might mean that her quest for justice/vengeance might harm.

[German Soldier]

I don't care about the notes because there is a lot of misinformation there.

The Orb was supposed to be of Mythal in the notes also Solas never summoned Flemeth in fact in the vanilla game he didn't even know that Mythal was still alive in part.

They are just game legacy.

[Addictress]

I don't care about the notes because there is a lot of misinformation there.
The Orb was supposed to be of Mythal in the notes also Solas never summoned Flemeth in fact in the vanilla game he didn't even know that Mythal was still alive in part.
They are just game legacy.

How do you know he didn't summon her? He could've summoned her after the main game and immediately prior to their epilogue scene. Like "meet me here" etc and Mythal complied knowing she couldn't hide or run anyways

[Deadly dwarf]

I think people misinterpret Flemeth. 

 

1) She had the power.

2) She had the time.

 

And yet, nothing about vengeance.  Yes, she's bitter... but that's different. She helps stop the Darkspawn.  She saves Hawke. 

 

 

Regarding Flemeth's help with the Darkspawn, was it really altruistic?  Or did she and Morrigan provide assistance so that they could ultimately capture the soul of an Old God via the Dark Ritual?  (For Morrigan, that's clearly the case.  For Flemeth, it would seem likely, but I don't know for sure.)

 

Regarding Hawke, her help comes in exchange for helping her escape Morrigan's assassination by proxy.  (Has there ever been a thorough discussion of Flemeth's ability to predict the future?)

[German Soldier]

How do you know he didn't summon her? He could've summoned her after the main game and immediately prior to their epilogue scene. Like "meet me here" etc and Mythal complied knowing she couldn't hide or run anyways

I had the impression that she was simply waiting for Solas she wasn't forced to remain.

Beside she is not forced to answer the summoning since even at the Altar she said that she came only because she was curious to know the host of the well of sorrow.

[Medhia_Nox]

Regarding Flemeth's help with the Darkspawn, was it really altruistic?  Or did she and Morrigan provide assistance so that they could ultimately capture the soul of an Old God via the Dark Ritual?  (For Morrigan, that's clearly the case.  For Flemeth, it would seem likely, but I don't know for sure.)

 

Regarding Hawke, her help comes in exchange for helping her escape Morrigan's assassination by proxy.  (Has there ever been a thorough discussion of Flemeth's ability to predict the future?)

No, I think these "gods" are incapable of being altruist... while also lacking the divine qualities that might excuse it (like omniscience).  

 

They're just really powerful a-holes. 

 

But, I think Flemeth is going to be key in crushing Solas - and I think she's not an enemy of the whole freaking world like the bald rat is.

[myahele]

We have Elini Zenovia who apparently could see the future and as well as those Rivaini seers who can glimpse it somewhat.

 

It's possible she could see see a glimpse of the future. As for Hawke, she said she came to him because she saw him kill an Ogre, a feat that just not everyone could do, so on more or less a whim she came and offered him a deal. As she said, she could not tell if it was or chance.

[Xerrai]

No, I think these "gods" are incapable of being altruist... while also lacking the divine qualities that might excuse it (like omniscience).  

 

They're just really powerful a-holes. 

 

But, I think Flemeth is going to be key in crushing Solas - and I think she's not an enemy of the whole freaking world like the bald rat is.

Really?

She has that whole "vengeance that will shake the heavens" thing going on, and then there was that "we stand upon the precipice of change, leap into the abyss" prophesy she alluded to in DA2. My bet is that she wants Solas, in some capacity, to succeed. Or at the very least acknowledges it as a near definite possibility. But for what reason is anyone's guess.

 

Unlike Solas though, who claims to be doing it "for the people", Flemeth has made it clear that she wants vengeance.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about it, honestly. Save for that I don't trust her.

[Addictress]

Really?

She has that whole "vengeance that will shake the heavens" thing going on, and then there was that "we stand upon the precipice of change, leap into the abyss" prophesy she alluded to in DA2. My bet is that she wants Solas, in some capacity, to succeed. Or at the very least acknowledges it as a near definite possibility. But for what reason is anyone's guess.

 

Unlike Solas though, who claims to be doing it "for the people", Flemeth has made it clear that she wants vengeance.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about it, honestly. Save for that I don't trust her.

Well it's a sort of righteous vengeance - vengeance against truly malicious and violent evanuris who likely deserved to be reckoned with. Although yes, Mythal falls into the same pit of moral ineptitude as Solas on the count of sacrificing current peoples of Thedas. Perhaps, though, she has planned for Morrigan to protect the people of Thedas in spite of Solas' plans. Morrigan and Mythal amassed a wealth of arcane knowledge and it could have been to develop a solution to 'current people MUST die while Solas takes down the veil." Solas is just not aware.... though I'm not sure why Flemeth would not let Solas know about this plan to protect the current people of Thedas, as it seems he would agree. Perhaps whatever protection method she foresees would require great personal cost to Solas.

[Reznore57]

It's really really hard to guess what's Flemythal endgame.

She foams at the mouth about vengeance but in game she helped save the world at least twice.

Now of course it could be just self preservation on her part.

Also , she was avenged already by Solas.The Evanuris are locked away in eternal torment.

She's also saving dragons and Old God soul as a side hobby when not rescuing random heroes and answering some prayers.

She shows some affection towards Morrigan , doesn't hurt Kieran either .

 

Of course she's also shady , dead templars hanging from tree decoring her hut .

Scared her daughter half to death by letting her believe she would wear her as meatsuit eventually.

Her past as Mythal , she did some good (well for an Evanuris anyway) she did some stuff like killing Titans , but without much context it's hard to know if she did wrong .

 

The most mysterious imho is the "World was betrayed " and "her reckoning that will shake the very heavens."

It's possible she's talking about the Blight here ,she seems to have a long history with that.

I'm not sure why she would let Solas get her power just to destroy the veil and bring back ancient elves.

We know he will have to deal with the rest of the Evanuris , and maybe she wants an opportunity to strangle them one by one herself...

Perhaps they did a Corypheus , afterall she says she faced some stuff like this before,...remember Corynoob was only killable because he made the mistake of using the dragon.

Imagine the Evanuris are tainted like Cory but far more intelligent ...they would truly be immortals.

So yeah perhaps she feels it's her responsabity to see them dead and that threat dealt with before she can move on.

 

And if she trusts Solas when he says  he has "plans" about them , she's getting senile.

[Xerrai]

Well it's a sort of righteous vengeance - vengeance against truly malicious and violent evanuris who likely deserved to be reckoned with. Although yes, Mythal falls into the same pit of moral ineptitude as Solas on the count of sacrificing current peoples of Thedas. Perhaps, though, she has planned for Morrigan to protect the people of Thedas in spite of Solas' plans. Morrigan and Mythal amassed a wealth of arcane knowledge and it could have been to develop a solution to 'current people MUST die while Solas takes down the veil." Solas is just not aware.... though I'm not sure why Flemeth would not let Solas know about this plan to protect the current people of Thedas, as it seems he would agree. Perhaps whatever protection method she foresees would require great personal cost to Solas.

It is indeed very possible that is what she intends. Flemeth always seems to have a plan. But the only things that puts me on edge is that we don't know jack about her really, save that she is a figure from legend(s).

 

Like, she is the one person that could I see either turn out to be the greatest hero in the series....or the greatest villain. And that's saying something, cause I already consider Solas a major threat by virtue of his power and tactical mind alone (as opposed to say, Corypheaus who is powerful but his only strategy was to throw red lyrium thugs at his problems). 

 

In other words. She's the wild card.

[Addictress]

It is indeed very possible that is what she intends. Flemeth always seems to have a plan. But the only things that puts me on edge is that we don't know jack about her really, save that she is a figure from legend(s).

 

Like, she is the one person that could I see either turn out to be the greatest hero in the series....or the greatest villain. And that's saying something, cause I already consider Solas a major threat by virtue of his power and tactical mind alone (as opposed to say, Corypheaus who is powerful but his only strategy was to throw red lyrium thugs at his problems). 

 

In other words. She's the wild card.

I'm just kind of irked that Morrigan is here to stay. Unlike everyone else, I never cared for Morrigan *sigh* but people who find her attractive must be demanding the fan service of refreshing her stay in this universe. Very well.

[Reznore57]

I'm just kind of irked that Morrigan is here to stay. Unlike everyone else, I never cared for Morrigan *sigh* but people who find her attractive must be demanding the fan service of refreshing her stay in this universe. Very well.

 

I like Morrigan , I like the idea of her carrying Mythal and taking her mother mantle...because it's bittersweet , she tried to run away from her mother , but she was raised to have a destinty from the start.

On the other hand , getting Morrigan again , in game with all the *wink wink nudge nudge* about the bagage she's carrying as a character...Remember she's not only FLemeth daughter but also can be the Warden LI and mother of the warden's son....

 

I'd rather not have random hero number 4 hearing news of Morrigan personal life for no good reason beyond pleasing the player base.

Also if she's different , you'll need to explain that , and there is again that disconnect because random hero number 4 shouldn't give a damn about Morrigan and her woe , and her issues with mommy.