Cole
#1
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:03
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#2
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:07
It's because he is more of a kid in everything but appearance, and even then he's pushing adolescence on that.
#3
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:14
It's because he is more of a kid in everything but appearance, and even then he's pushing adolescence on that.
Then what about Sera she is not that old either i think and Cole acts more mature then Sera. So the way i see it he is older then Sera.
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#4
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:20
If you opt to make him more human and ask him if he'd like to join in on the "revelries" after killing Cory, he outright says he's not ready for it.
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#5
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:21
Then what about Sera she is not that old either i think.
She's young, but she is an adult. Cole, during the game, is still trying to figure out the world like a child does. If you make him more human, in Trespasser he has someone. That's because he has grown as a character over that period of time we don't see him. He knows more of the world. He's grown up essentially. But in the base game, he hasn't. It would be like romancing a ten year old, which is just bad water to step in.
Sera isn't a spirit that was brought through and made into a person. She has actually grown up and experienced the world. Yes, she may come across immature, but that's part of her character.
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#6
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:38
I was perfectly happy with the explanation until I got to Trespasser with Cole more human and suddenly he is in a relationship. It is sweet and I don't begrudge either of them their happiness, but what happened to Cole not being emotionally mature enough?
However, he can still read people's emotions even when he is more human, I think, he is just not so obvious about it. So that would make for a really awkward relationship. It definitely wouldn't work as a spirit. If you think about it carefully you realise just how creepy it is that he is constantly reading people's minds and then blurting out exactly what they are thinking to the people they are thinking it about; is it really right to manipulate people like that?
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#7
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:40
Cole is a Spirit. Spirits are often child-like in their nature, so he may look similarly-aged to Sera (who is, by the way, 18+ in the base game) but inside, he is not unlike a child.
#8
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:45
Cole is psychologically a child. That's very different from just romancing someone immature like Sera.
There's a two year gap between the main game and Trespasser where he becomes mature enough to be interested in such a thing.
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#9
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 10:53
Do we even know how old the spirit Cole is because if what LightningPoodle said was right and he is about a ten year old kid and Trespasser is only two years further in the future then he should be around 12 years old and that is still way to young to have a relationship with someone.
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#10
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 11:02
Do we even know how old the spirit Cole is because if what LightningPoodle said was right and he is about a ten year old kid and Trespasser is only two years further in the future then he should be around 12 years old and that is still way to young to have a relationship with someone.
Psychological age has nothing to do with how long you have existed. ![]()
Regardless of how long he has existed, the way his brain functions is like a small child in the main game. Over the next two years his mind changes to be closer to how physically looks as he spends time being human.
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#11
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 11:31
Well then i guess he grows a lot in only two years time.
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#12
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 11:39
Weekes said in an interview that if Cole was a romance option in the main game it would just be like the inquisitor taking advantage of him, so obviously they didn't want to write that. The reason why he can have a relationship in trespasser with someone else but not with the Inquisitor is just because that's like the last part of the story, the relationship would not have time to develop into anything much.
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#13
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 03:03
I was perfectly happy with the explanation until I got to Trespasser with Cole more human and suddenly he is in a relationship. It is sweet and I don't begrudge either of them their happiness, but what happened to Cole not being emotionally mature enough?
It's been two years...
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#14
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 03:10
I does not think Cole a child. Just externally very young. His nature? It may be weird, but not childish. He simply focus on something else than the people.
#15
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 03:35
The main problem is that he is not human. He is a spirit of Compassion and even afer his personal quest, if you choose to make him human, he is still mostly in a spirit mindset.
Part of the reason the devs didn't want him to be romancible is because they would view it as manipulation. And why shouldn't they? Half of the players would treat his romance like they would any other mortal romance, heedless of Cole's nature.
Say you start a romance, and Cole reciprocates. Is that really him showing signs of genuine romantic love, or is he only doing so because, as compassion, he knows you want love and is doing his best to meet that need because it brings you joy, ease and happiness. What is to say what he feels is genuine love and not him simply fulfilling his purpose as a spirit of Compassion? What would happened to you, or more importantly, to him, if he denied you?
Cole easily goes into that dub-con territory because of how he is so prone to doing something that is ultimately hazardous to him because he just wants to be compassionate and try to give you the parts you want out of a romance, even though he may be incapable of loving you the same way you may love him.
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#16
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 03:54
The main problem is that he is not human. He is a spirit of Compassion and even afer his personal quest, if you choose to make him human, he is still mostly in a spirit mindset.
Part of the reason the devs didn't want him to be romancible is because they would view it as manipulation. And why shouldn't they? Half of the players would treat his romance like they would any other mortal romance, heedless of Cole's nature.
Say you start a romance, and Cole reciprocates. Is that really him showing signs of genuine romantic love, or is he only doing so because, as compassion, he knows you want love and is doing his best to meet that need because it brings you joy, ease and happiness. What is to say what he feels is genuine love and not him simply fulfilling his purpose as a spirit of Compassion? What would happened to you, or more importantly, to him, if he denied you?
Cole easily goes into that dub-con territory because of how he is so prone to doing something that is ultimately hazardous to him because he just wants to be compassionate and try to give you the parts you want out of a romance, even though he may be incapable of loving you the same way you may love him.
This is exactly the reason why I'm glad he isn't romancable.
The only thing I would have loved, would've been an option to hug him. Not in a romantic way, but in a "you're my friend and important to me"-way.
Especially after Adamant and What Pride had Wrought.
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#17
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 04:00
The main problem is that he is not human. He is a spirit of Compassion and even afer his personal quest, if you choose to make him human, he is still mostly in a spirit mindset.
Part of the reason the devs didn't want him to be romancible is because they would view it as manipulation. And why shouldn't they? Half of the players would treat his romance like they would any other mortal romance, heedless of Cole's nature.
Say you start a romance, and Cole reciprocates. Is that really him showing signs of genuine romantic love, or is he only doing so because, as compassion, he knows you want love and is doing his best to meet that need because it brings you joy, ease and happiness. What is to say what he feels is genuine love and not him simply fulfilling his purpose as a spirit of Compassion? What would happened to you, or more importantly, to him, if he denied you?
Cole easily goes into that dub-con territory because of how he is so prone to doing something that is ultimately hazardous to him because he just wants to be compassionate and try to give you the parts you want out of a romance, even though he may be incapable of loving you the same way you may love him.
Wow, there really is no better explanation for this. Nicely done.
After you make him more human you can ask him about how things are different, reading other people, and so on. He says that it's more effort now that he's more human. In some of the party banter, and at the post-Corypheus party, he says some things that lead you to believe that he is slowly changing and growing even more human; part of it is the choice that was made, but there is also the simply act of being around the Inquisitor and their friends. So I can imagine that after two years' time that he is his own person, even if he does still retain some of his more spirit-like abilities.
The only thing I would have loved, would've been an option to hug him. Not in a romantic way, but in a "you're my friend and important to me"-way.
Especially after Adamant and What Pride had Wrought.
Yepper, completely agree. I'm big on hugs. I would have liked to hug Dorian after his quest as well. =/
What are you doing?
Giving you a hug.
Why?
Because you need one.
*Sigh.*
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#18
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 04:21
Yepper, completely agree. I'm big on hugs. I would have liked to hug Dorian after his quest as well. =/
What are you doing?
Giving you a hug.
Why?
Because you need one.
*Sigh.*
Me too! Oh yes, I would've hugged Dorian too.
And Varric after "Well, S***", Cass after "Promise for Destruction" and just all my friends (Companions & Advisors included).
Except for Viv and Bull.
Viv cause she isn't the person to hug others and Bull because he doesn't want hugs, cause they're unmanly. (he tells that Cole in a banter)
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#19
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 05:21
Given the propensity for poetry that most spirits have, a bard like Maryden seems like someone he would gravitate towards.
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#20
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 05:57
#21
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 06:08
I understand logically why he's not available--a child in all but appearance, still getting used to his human emotions, still not ready for romantic or sexual contact, etc--but emotionally I've got to admit I'm still kind of bummed. For all my gushing about elves and Solas, if Cole had been romanceable he would have been my very first choice, bar none. I'd probably go so far as to say he'd be my One and Only.
I have to admit, it also kind of... stung when he picked Maryden in Trespasser. (For me, not for my character.) Again, I understand logically why--he's grown up, he met someone special, he's now ready to experience mortal relationships, he's spent time with this woman the way he couldn't spend time with Inqui, etc--but, you know... Cole, after all we've been through! We went through so much together, then you ran off right after Corypheus was defeated, then picked this lady you just met, and now you're in a relationship with her even though she doesn't know you the way I do?
In short: You weren't ready with me, but you're ready with her? ![]()
God, I'm such a baby. I understand and accept that it is what it is. It's just nice to vent little suppressed involuntary feelings.
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#22
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 06:50
I don't think Bioware would have been able to do Cole justice in a romance scenario. And Maryden is proof of that. It was so obviously shoehorned in, because God forbid we have a character become "more human" without a relationship being in the picture.
I'm sorry if I offend any Cole/Maryden shippers though.
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#23
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 06:58

Eww OP.
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#24
Posté 03 avril 2016 - 07:19
I totally understand why Cole wasn't an option. But honestly, I think it's creepy that Sera is. Yes, I'm fully aware that they are immature in very different ways, but the fact that Sera is still so immature will always make her creepy to me as a romance option. I don't care if she's physically 18.
Anyway, I'm totally with the others who want more hugs! Bioware needs to work on their platonic relationships. I would have loved to hug Cole, Dorian, and Cassandra. At least I got some with Cullen, but not without the romance. Again, it's like Bioware doesn't understand that:
A. People want to hug friends.
B. Hugs can be, and often are, platonic.
Silly Bioware.
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#25
Posté 04 avril 2016 - 08:59
If you opt to make him more human and ask him if he'd like to join in on the "revelries" after killing Cory, he outright says he's not ready for it.
He says it himself: "I don't know. Not now. It makes things more complicated, and I'm not ready. Someday, maybe..."
I must have missed that weird.
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