They dumped Chris L'etoile, probably the most intelligent and promising writer at BioWare at the time, who wrote every single Codex entry in Mass Effect 1, and a lot of Mass Effect 2 - read some of his forum posts on Legion, the meaning behind the Geth AI and what the Reapers were suppose to be (instead of a bunch of dumb machines with circular logic),
Can you post links to the ones you're thinking of?
I think this still works: https://web.archive....e-reapers.4229/
Reading it and a lot of it seems what I was and would have been interested in seeing explored and found vastly more interesting.
This. This is what happened in Mass Effect 3.
They dumped the lead writer of the entire series, Drew Karpyshyn, onto Star Wars: The Old Republic, a failure of an MMO that was forced to go free-to-play.... *snip*
Wish Bioware would start another failure such as SWTOR, as it seems fairly played and popular amongst other MMO's.
Every time I play the game all the servers seem to have light population and BioWare/EA don't seem to release numbers as to how many players there are, so I'm curious as to how you're so sure of its popularity.
Every time I play the game all the servers seem to have light population and BioWare/EA don't seem to release numbers as to how many players there are, so I'm curious as to how you're so sure of its popularity.
Every time I play the game all the servers seem to have light population and BioWare/EA don't seem to release numbers as to how many players there are, so I'm curious as to how you're so sure of its popularity.
Wish Bioware would start another failure such as SWTOR, as it seems fairly played and popular amongst other MMO's.
Still the most expensive video game ever developed, heavily advertised as the "WoW Killer". Less than a year after it was released it had to abandon it's subscription model and go free-to-play purely because not enough people subscribed to make it profitable. Four years after it's release the server populations flux from "light" to "standard". It's had a massive shot in the arm thanks to "The Force Awakens", but it will never reach the expectations that was placed on it, and with the changing nature of MMOs, especially with MOBAs, TOR seems like a vastly expensive mistake. Would EA have thrown the money and resources they did at it if they knew the outcome? Probably not. Just my opinion though.
Still the most expensive video game ever developed, heavily advertised as the "WoW Killer".
Was it advertised as a "WoW Killer" by the creator company? Because I think every MMO has gotten that label shoved on to it regardless of whether or not the creator company has ever made such a statement or intended for their game to be such a thing.
I rather suspect it was also not the most expensive MMO video game to ever be developed and published. Can you provide evidence of it's development cost because then I can compare it and see if the claim holds water.
The cost I could find was supposedly 200 million dollars and though it was said to have the highest costing development period, it shared this title with the Elder Scrolls Online which supposedly had the same cost according to the article.
I should note that I could not find confirmation that this was the official development cost for either of the games. It may be I am looking at the wrong places but I've seen the number climb as high as being supposedly 500 million dollars so I'll take the numbers I find with a grain of salt and some fries unless it is from official sources.
It doesn't change what's true, but I'd rather not assign labels like right or wrong based on something that doesn't matter.Well that doesn't change who is right or wrong, which is why I adjusted my statement in response to Alan9C's comment above. However what you say about the reasoning does determine how much credit you get for being right or wrong. One shouldn't be too proud of a correct guess just as I don't feel bad about being wrong despite following the presented facts.
Was it advertised as a "WoW Killer" by the creator company? Because I think every MMO has gotten that label shoved on to it regardless of whether or not the creator company has ever made such a statement or intended for their game to be such a thing.
I rather suspect it was also not the most expensive MMO video game to ever be developed and published. Can you provide evidence of it's development cost because then I can compare it and see if the claim holds water.
The cost I could find was supposedly 200 million dollars and though it was said to have the highest costing development period, it shared this title with the Elder Scrolls Online which supposedly had the same cost according to the article.
I should note that I could not find confirmation that this was the official development cost for either of the games. It may be I am looking at the wrong places but I've seen the number climb as high as being supposedly 500 million dollars so I'll take the numbers I find with a grain of salt and some fries unless it is from official sources.
That label is fair when it's a big publisher trying to get in the game, throwing this much cash at it. EA has been trying to do it for years.. They had a good start with UO, but lost the market fairly quickly. I think they always wanted to be "WoW" before even WoW came out. Before Star Wars, I think they hedged their bets on Mythic (their game, besides Everquest, was the other big mmo at the time).. but that didn't pan out either.
That label is fair when it's a big publisher trying to get in the game, throwing this much cash at it. EA has been trying to do it for years.. They had a good start with UO, but lost the market fairly quickly. I think they always wanted to be "WoW" before even WoW came out. Before Star Wars, I think they hedged their bets on Mythic (their game, besides Everquest, was the other big mmo at the time).. but that didn't pan out either.
Personally, I do not consider the label fairly applied if the creator company has not made claims of such a nature regardless of how much they've invested both in terms of finances and time. I see why people reason it as such but personally I still disagree with the reason.
So your course of action would be to sit back and let the collectors calmly go about their business. Good to know.
Strawman, they name is idiotamundo.
No, that would not be my course of action. My course of action would be to not assume the mission is a suicide squad mission until there's something to actually indicate a suicide squad is actually needed.
Before the Reaper IFF is understood, there no application for a suicide squad at all. Once the IFF is understood, then we can replicate it- as Cerberus manages to in ME2 if you get the total failure/keep the base scenario- and send scouts through to figure out what we're up against.
Then, if the far side of the relay has any relevance for a suicide squad, we can send the squand in.
Strawman, they name is idiotamundo.
Careful now, Dean, that seems to be a personal insult and those are not allowed by the forums' rules;
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You can make your argument and your point about strawmanning without it, I am sure.
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Personally, I think every single Bioware game, from Shattered Steel to MDK2 to Baldur's Gate to Dragon Age Origins, 2, and Inquisition, all are more or less "story driven."
And like all the other CRPGs for that matter, Torment, Icewind Dale, I mean, the list goes on right? Perhaps even some classic online games as well, even Skyrim, Fallout, the Witcher, all these things.
I think they all have in common a sort of linear focus,
Yes, they most definitely wavered to the north and south a linear dimension, but fundamentally it wasn't really a huge seismic shift, it was just back and forth across a line, sort of like in Tennis or something one might get way ahead of the other or go backwards from each other in the points, but never really too far in any direction.
I think their identity coalesces around people who are sort of a "rough-and-tumble-crew-slightly-politically-incorrect-slightly-caustic-slightly-gentle-slightly-soft-kind-of-heroic- kind-of-afraid-kind-of-dark-past-but-brighter-tomorrow-smart-but-making-odd-decisions-at-times-that-people-misinterpret-and-then-make-the-wrong-assumptions-which-are-actually-sort-of-right-assumptions-that-they-mistakenly-connect-to-unrelated-problems-that-cause-other-problems-before-relying-on-old-fashioned-grit-n-determination-while-making-friends-and-enemies-along-the-way-but-mostly-friends-did-I-say-friends-I-meant-enemies-and-don't-forget-the-joke-that-they-really-go-the-extra-mile-for-which-means-sudden-dialogue-that-is-really-really-long-but-means-well-and-reflects-the-kind-of-mixed-attitude-of-hope-and-despair-oh-and-don't-forget-their-liberal-but-they-aren't-pushovers-and-don't-forget-their-progressive-but-they-confess-to-their-limtations-but-above-all-you-have-to-factor-in-they-are-friendly-and-smart-and-ultimately-just-trying-to-find-a-way-through-the-world-like-everyone-else-and-breathe-desire-despair-just-like-everyone-else-because-they-are-like-everyon-else-even-though-they-are-also-different-they-are-the-same-in-that-they-are-different-because-everyone's-different-but-they-are-different-different-which-is-just-fine"
kind of thing, and I think they should create "stories" or "things" which reflect that in one way or another, it's not a concern if people consensual make these things to reflect their desires, interests, and attitudes.
Personally, I do not consider the label fairly applied if the creator company has not made claims of such a nature regardless of how much they've invested both in terms of finances and time. I see why people reason it as such but personally I still disagree with the reason.
Well, it's a [...] of money to invest, to NOT have those ambitions. 
And to use Star Wars, no less. Who everyone and their mom thought was a sure bet. That's probably even a surer bet than saying you'll make a Pokemon game.
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Well, it's a [..] of money to invest, to NOT have those ambitions.
They're making a video game though, not a movie.
As a game it was basically like the movie, which everyone had seen kinda.
Well except you could play as the empire.
Honestly it was just a Bioware game spread out across this huge map with tons of MMO stuff they (it seemed to me) clearly weren't very invested in, in many ways.
If they had just made KOTOR3....
They're making a video game though, not a movie.
Doesn't matter.
Everyone in the mmo world at the time wanted to see Star Wars done right. They had a market waiting for them. They went the obvious route on what they thought would be a big success.
You don't just spend hundreds of millions on Star Wars games, because you were looking for a modest entry.
Doesn't matter.
Everyone in the mmo world at the time wanted to see Star Wars done right. They had a market waiting for them. They went the obvious route on what they thought would be a big success.
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As a game it was basically like the movie, which everyone had seen kinda.
Well except you could play as the empire.
Honestly it was just a Bioware game spread out across this huge map with tons of MMO stuff they (it seemed to me) clearly weren't very invested in, in many ways.
If they had just made KOTOR3...."
Basically they were burned trying to chase the elusive MMO market crown, instead of just focusing on what they knew and understood best (stuff like KOTOR, JE, BG, etc)
I'll be completely honest, from my perspective it was an obvious failure.
I think most people have been burned. So I won't hold that against EA alone.
They all need to get out. Except Blizzard. And even Blizzard knows where to hedge their online bets elsewhere anyways: Dotas, I guess.
I think most people have been burned. So I won't hold that against EA alone.
They all need to get out. Except Blizzard. And even Blizzard knows where to move now anyways: Dotas, I guess.
True, but I suppose you could hold it against Bioware for ignoring that fact.
DOTAs are honestly just WC3 mod and really a spawn of the same thing, I mean it's fine and all but I guess that's why they never seemed fun to me.
I think people need to stop worrying about the "biggest thing ever" and just accept that sometimes things are just kind of cool and fun the way they are, the kind of spasms experienced by Bioware in response to SWTOR ended up not only not getting them there, but kind of alienating some of their core fan base and the identity they had with it.
True, but I suppose you could hold it against Bioware for ignoring that fact.
DOTAs are honestly just WC3 mod and really a spawn of the same thing.
I think people need to stop worrying about the "biggest thing ever" and just accept that sometimes things are just kind of cool and fun the way they are.
I've never even played one tbh. I'm confused on what they even are. I just know that a ton play them for some reason.
I've never even played one tbh. I'm confused on what they even are. I just know that a ton play them for some reason.
Well I think it was actually Starcraft 1 which had a mode called "Defense of the Ancients" (DotA) which was a mutliplayer mod map that basically just involved spamming tons of defense against huge waves of enemies.
WC3 had a similar mod, I think, which became DOTA as well but that was then spun into League of Legends some way or another, but yeah they are all come from zat, originally.
I think really what propels them is the kind of hyper-comic style they are quite um, I guess, zany you could say with sort of over the top characters. The thing is though Blizzard basically promoted the precise same style with WC3 and WoW and such so they're kind of birds of a feather, they just aren't flocking together.
I mean, Dragon Age and Bioware have comic influences as well but they are less kind of purely comic and more bumped up to some kind of LOTR hybrid thingy.
Edit: Oh and as to Elhanan's point yes I believe it's true that SWTOR still has a player base that is active and all that having been on there some time ago that is quite accurate. It is down to perhaps 4-5 servers though currently, but it's up, running, got stuff going on, etc.
Anyway, I think if Bioware made a game kind of in the vein of ME1 or whatever and just kind of made it quintessentially "Bioware" feeling I think they would just be fine.
Chasing after MMOs or Dotas or Skyrim, or tactical strategy games like FE or whatever thing that seems to pop up that would be the absolute worst thing they could do.
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